Satisfied? Pleased?

[Brokenstriker]

I watched a couple of the 3 letter broadcast networks' 11 o'clock news shows last night and was shocked while I listened to the sports guys/gals say that Redskins fans were generally happy with the team after the game. I was shocked given that I'm extremely unhappy about the team in spite of the victory over the Bucs. One broadcast even had interviews of people in the parking lot at the stadium presumably supporting their report that supported my general opinion much more than the reported fans' opinions. Basic impression I have from this forum is that I'm about middle of the pack regarding my satisfaction level. Thought I'd put a poll in here ... maybe some gung-ho "news" reporter might use it as a source for their next report on fan satisfaction ... instead of more of their pitiful attempts to suck up to the Ownership.

I'm happy they won (I think) but I am completely unhappy with the team even though, and especially considering the Bucs game ... a game that Skins only won because the Bucs QB situation is only slightly more pitiful than the Skins ... and their kicker apparently sucks.

So keeping it simple ... are you satisfied with the Skins, slightly satisfied, mildly dissatisfied or completely dissatisfied?

[BurgundyNGold]

With the team? I'm completely dissatisifed. Top to bottom. That said, when someone farts, I don't expect to smell Febreeze. So I'm mostly dissatisifed at the top.

[Hr fan]

Taking a poll and then selecting interviews that support a preselected opinion is typical journalism. Here it ignores a totally dysfunctional fo, a team that obviously doesn't believe in the coaches and their schemes (look at the apathy on the sidelines for verification), and has few players playing with passion. The rot is deep, and will become more pronounced as the season progresses. Completely dissatisfied.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

even during the norv turner early beginnings era,i was never as dissapointed with the skins then as i am now.at least norv attempted to draft good players and improve where they needed to,during 08,we needed o linemen worse than we did anything,so what did snyder/zorn/vinny do?draft 3 players who have been a bust in their 2 years in the league!this team is getting beyond contemptment to me folks!
i'm getting sick of all the redskins excuses and BS!!!

[Ibleedburgundy]

Definitely not satisfied.

I don't see this team winning more than 5 games. This is the cupcake part of the schedule.

OTOH, I guess the Redskins are not the absolute worst team in the NFL because the Bucs look beyond awful.

I don't think the problems are related to individual effort. IMO, the coaches are doing a horrible job preparing the players, putting them in position, and putting the best players on the field. To date, I have no idea what Daniels, Fred Davis, or Devin Thomas have done to warrant playing time.

[Redskinmayhem]

offense still sucks, coaching still sucks, defense still sucks although they played marginally better. We've still got some serious issues. The players and coaches want to act like they made some Gibbs v.1 'esqu adjustments at the half. They didn't. You can attribute just as much of the second half to the Bucs being the Bucs as you can to the Skins coming out and making plays lol.

[BurgundyNGold]

This should be a named poll. I want to see the name "The Iceman" next to the "slightly satisfied" vote. :D

[NamVet4]

Completely dissatisfied! The win on Sunday does not erase or conceal the gross inadequacies and deficiencies. There is a rot from the ownership on down. Yes, there were some bright shinning moments in what was an otherwise dismal performance. Daniel Snyder has not spoken openly about the team he claims to be the "#1 fan" for! Aside from Chris Cooley, Clinton Portis and a few other players who "Gutted it Up!", the Team was no better than the one that played the Lions last week.
Take that, you so called "sports gurus" and write that in your arse kissing media trash!:moon2:

[smoak]

I am completely dissatisfied with the ownership, and I believe Snyder is the reason we don't win.

But I am always going to be happy to win any single game.

[Patrick]

I am completely dissatisfied with the ownership, and I believe Snyder is the reason we don't win.

But I am always going to be happy to win any single game.

Agreed .......

[akhhorus]

Satisfied we won, completely dissatisfied with the performance.

[LATrueRedskin]

We are playing unacceptable football right now. I have high standards for my Redskins, as we all do, and barely beating the Rams and Bucs is not meeting them. I'm happy we're not 0-4 (which we very well could have been), but we're going to have to play much, much better in every aspect of the game in order to salvage this season.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

the only good thing about consistently losing that's good is the fact the more you lose,the higher draft pick you get the next season.at the way we are playing,we are gonna be in the top 5 and maybe we can draft a franchise qb like the ravens,falcons,and jets have in recent years.:giantsuk::giantsuk:

[shally]

this team is a sink hole and disaster

it is rotting from the top down and only total makeover from the highest levels of management to the individual players will solve things

[Jon Creveling]

Complete and utter dissatisfied!

Christ part of me misses Norv for Gods sake and I thought I'd never get to that point!

It's plain to see that Zorn has no growth potential as an HC, we by now would have seen glimpses even if it was borderline wishful thinking on our part, and you don't even see that expressed on this board!

On the other hand just what support system was in place to give the guy a hand? Let's take a peek!

Vinny? You have got to be kidding me, other than doing a good job at signing the targeted free agents over the years ( the who's doing the targeting is another post!) just what does the guy have as a credit?

Joe Bugel, who you would think would be someone to lean on while Zorn learns to stand on his own two feet seems to have little if any impact.
While not popular I know, I've held him responsible for 6 years of non growth at the O-line. Not Vinny Not the players themselves but Joe himself!
After all he's the one man on the team that's supposed to know what and just how to do it. The only time in 6 years he had this line play more than 2 good games in a row was "Year of Betts" other than that it is and has been a ragtag mixture of old guys like FABS-Ray Brown-Wade or no nothings like Heyer and no growth at any spot on the line, the only constant being Chris!

I actually cringed at the suggestion of some members to S-CAN Zorn now and replace him with Bugel!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF are some of you guys thinking? The man sucked as an HC with the Cards and the only thing clouding some members judgement is an halfass cheap win vs one of our Norv lead teams.

This is the same guy that let Randy play injured maybe 1/2 the year while Chad sat on his ass and Pete Kendall was our second best lineman last year. So oh sure he's ready to step in and bench (fill in the blank on what ever player you cannot stand the most!).:)

This is nothing new with me, years ago Bugel would have been on my hot seat,,,,,,,,,,,,,but he's not the only one!

Years ago I've bitched and moaned about the lack of aggressive play out of Gregs D-line when he was the D-line coach! Please note my theme with line coaches, Right or Wrong I hold line coaches dirrectly responsible for YOUR UNIT!!!! I don't want to hear any cover up BS about Vinny-Dan or injury! Like I said I could be wrong but that's just the way I think/feel about it.

As far as him being the D-cord the last 2 years, I hate the mush also but at the same time the O has sucked so much that I find myself giving him a break in my complaints lately (Shit isn't that why our man AKH is on scene 24 hours a day)!:) to take up the slack? Blache haters unite!

I've hated bums like Phil and Wynn even years back and Gregs mindset has gone along way to put bums like them in place and spread that virus first along the line now the greater defense,,,,,,,,,,,seriously Coach Conghlin said it best last year saying the Skins D was quote "stingy" an excellent description! Nothing more nothing less.

Another good for nothing coach is Stan Hixon, Just what does this guy do?

Can't make anything out of any draftee nor get Moss to play with full focus more than two games in a row. Moss has speed, other than that did he ever strike you (Hixon) that he is fine tuning an recievers game? Even if you hate Moss name an other reciever that has shown progress that does not require a microscope to see! Please don't point to ARE becoming an slot receiver finally after every Steelers fan must have been laughing their ball off over us trying to make him an number 2 for years!

S.T. coach Smith, ? While not on my personal S-list maybe he should be in the teams dump cart. N.S. The guy is like WEDNESDAY! In the middle of the week!


I'm not giving certain players a break in all this , just tired of seeing the same S out of management, coaching, down to the players year in year out with no way out of this mess.

[GreenspanDan]

Satisfied we won, completely dissatisfied with the performance.

^

[BurgundyNGold]

This should be a named poll. I want to see the name "The Iceman" next to the "satisfied" vote. :D
Fixed for myself lol.

[BurgundyNGold]

Complete and utter dissatisfied!

Christ part of me misses Norv for Gods sake and I thought I'd never get to that point!

It's plain to see that Zorn has no growth potential as an HC, we by now would have seen glimpses even if it was borderline wishful thinking on our part, and you don't even see that expressed on this board!

On the other hand just what support system was in place to give the guy a hand? Let's take a peek!

Vinny? You have got to be kidding me, other than doing a good job at signing the targeted free agents over the years ( the who's doing the targeting is another post!) just what does the guy have as a credit?

Joe Bugel, who you would think would be someone to lean on while Zorn learns to stand on his own two feet seems to have little if any impact.
While not popular I know, I've held him responsible for 6 years of non growth at the O-line. Not Vinny Not the players themselves but Joe himself!

After all he's the one man on the team that's supposed to know what and just how to do it. The only time in 6 years he had this line play more than 2 good games in a row was "Year of Betts" other than that it is and has been a ragtag mixture of old guys like FABS-Ray Brown-Wade or no nothings like Heyer and no growth at any spot on the line, the only constant being Chris!

I actually cringed at the suggestion of some members to S-CAN Zorn now and replace him with Bugel!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF are some of you guys thinking? The man sucked as an HC with the Cards and the only thing clouding some members judgement is an halfass cheap win vs one of our Norv lead teams.

This is the same guy that let Randy play injured maybe 1/2 the year while Chad sat on his ass and Pete Kendall was our second best lineman last year. So oh sure he's ready to step in and bench (fill in the blank on what ever player you cannot stand the most!).

This is nothing new with me, years ago Bugel would have been on my hot seat,,,,,,,,,,,,,but he's not the only one!

Years ago I've bitched and moaned about the lack of aggressive play out of Gregs D-line when he was the D-line coach! Please note my theme with line coaches, Right or Wrong I hold line coaches dirrectly responsible for YOUR UNIT!!!! I don't want to hear any cover up BS about Vinny-Dan or injury! Like I said I could be wrong but that's just the way I think/feel about it.

As far as him being the D-cord the last 2 years, I hate the mush also but at the same time the O has sucked so much that I find myself giving him a break in my complaints lately (Shit isn't that why our man AKH is on scene 24 hours a day)!:) to take up the slack? Blache haters unite!

I've hated bums like Phil and Wynn even years back and Gregs mindset has gone along way to put bums like them in place and spread that virus first along the line now the greater defense,,,,,,,,,,,seriously Coach Conghlin said it best last year saying the Skins D was quote "stingy" an excellent description! Nothing more nothing less.

Another good for nothing coach is Stan Hixon, Just what does this guy do?

Can't make anything out of any draftee nor get Moss to play with full focus more than two games in a row. Moss has speed, other than that did he ever strike you (Hixon) that he is fine tuning an recievers game? Even if you hate Moss name an other reciever that has shown progress that does not require a microscope to see! Please don't point to ARE becoming an slot receiver finally after every Steelers fan must have been laughing their ball off over us trying to make him an number 2 for years!

S.T. coach Smith, ? While not on my personal S-list maybe he should be in the teams dump cart. N.S. The guy is like WEDNESDAY! In the middle of the week!

I'm not giving certain players a break in all this , just tired of seeing the same S out of management, coaching, down to the players year in year out with no way out of this mess.
LOL. Yeah, I have no idea how Hixon is getting such a pass. I was thinking about this a few weeks ago.

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled... " lol

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[CarMike]

Completely Dissatisfied

I hate to seem to be so negative, but that's the state I'm in so far this year. Our two wins this year is over teams that are combined 0-8. And we've won by a total of 5 points. Anyone that's happy with the Redskins so far, are happy with a mediocre team.

As Spicy stated in another thread, Nugent was our MVP yesterday.

[Farmer Ted]

I picked them to go 8-8, so I can't exactly say I'm dissatisfied with 2-2. If I wake up in a few months and they're 2-10, then I'll be dissatisfied.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Well, we suck, so I'm gonna have to say that I'm not very satisfied at all.

[BurgundyNGold]

Are there really 2 people who are satisfied with this team?!

What are you people... on dope?!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4cclfrmzWyk/RX2wfEAqqUI/AAAAAAAAAAc/WPBPMqMLUcA/s320/DICK7.jpg

[skin4ever]

For me a win is a win. And honestly the second half begs the question of whether they are starting to turn the corner. That said, i doubt it. We need a couple of full games of playing well.

[shally]

For me a win is a win. And honestly the second half begs the question of whether they are starting to turn the corner. That said, i doubt it. We need a couple of full games of playing well.

the light at the end of the tunnel is actually a fast approaching freight train

this season is NOT going to end well

[CarMike]

For me a win is a win. And honestly the second half begs the question of whether they are starting to turn the corner. That said, i doubt it. We need a couple of full games of playing well.

How long is this corner? Because we've turning it for over 5+ years. :)

[BurgundyNGold]

How long is this corner? Because we've turning it for over 5+ years. :)
Seriously, lol. The corner must look like Darlington lmao.

[akhhorus]

the light at the end of the tunnel is actually a fast approaching freight train

this season is NOT going to end well

Hater lol.

[BurgundyNGold]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you how Danny makes money and why we will never get better as a franchise:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6813/howdannymakesmoney.png

[Patrick]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you how Danny makes money and why we will never get better as a franchise:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6813/howdannymakesmoney.png
Not going to make much money off of 17% ......

[BurgundyNGold]

Not going to make much money off of 17% ......
Yeah, but that's nearly 1 in 5 fans who know enough about the team to contribute on a fan message board -- and a very knowledgeable fan message board at that. I wonder what these figures would be with a herd of Larry Michael acolytes like over at ES? And how much larger still of the general DC population at large?

EDIT: Make that more than 1 in 5 now lol. :doh:

[Patrick]

Yeah, but that's nearly 1 in 5 fans who know enough about the team to contribute on a fan message board -- and a very knowledgeable fan message board at that. I wonder what these figures would be with a herd of Larry Michael acolytes like over at ES? And how much larger still of the general DC population at large?

EDIT: Make that more than 1 in 5 now lol. :doh:
I talk with A LOT of Skins fans all over the east coast and honestly don't know one that is satisfied with the overall state of the Skins. Can't speak for ES but really I would be surprised if the results weren't fairly close.

[Patrick]

Got to wonder it some folks are relating the question to yesterday's results

[brettsky991]

Add disappointed to the list. I never expected them to be great this year, but I was hopeful that we would get more overall effort. I was thinking about “the good old days” and boy it sure would be good to feel that way again.

Any body else miss this place.http://minot43.homestead.com/files/rfk_stadium_in_dc.jpg

[MDBluefinCrab]

I'm thoroughly disgusted and the sad part is, there's no end in sight. The little owner will end up firing Zorn and then the revolving door begins again.
I hate Danny Snyder...:cussing:

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Could one of the people who voted (intentionally and not as a joke) option A or B please provide some element that justifies this level of complete or moderate satisfaction?
Is anything above "A meteor will hit my house in 30 seconds" a satisfactory scenario?

[Farmer Ted]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you how Danny makes money and why we will never get better as a franchise:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6813/howdannymakesmoney.png

He doesn't get much money from me. I'm 'slightly satisfied' based on expectations, not based on preferences. You have to tango with the pig you brought to the dance.

[BurgundyNGold]

I talk with A LOT of Skins fans all over the east coast and honestly don't know one that is satisfied with the overall state of the Skins. Can't speak for ES but really I would be surprised if the results weren't fairly close.
Somebody should create this exact same poll over there. It would be a great metric for how the views on the two boards are similar or differ.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

He doesn't get much money from me. I'm 'slightly satisfied' based on expectations, not based on preferences. You have to tango with the pig you brought to the dance.

Oh ok...that's an acceptable answer. You thought we would be horrible, and instead we are just averagely bad.
But I take it that as a whole, you are not satisfied with the team, right?

[Farmer Ted]

Oh ok...that's an acceptable answer. You thought we would be horrible, and instead we are just averagely bad.
But I take it that as a whole, you are not satisfied with the team, right?

Of course not, they suck donkey balls. I don't like sucking donkey balls myself.

[jaylen]

I'm happy I'm starting to come to a conclusion on who we are as a team and I'm glad we won. I won't be turning victories into piss and moan fest that much more often. we could have lost and really been devestated. so I'll say we're building and go from there. I have no idea what kinda victory you guys are expecting . we haven't had those in Zorn's whole tenure here so why expect it now. When we win its gonna be an ugly low scoring affair. I guess when we beat a quality team people will get the point of who we are and be better able to accept it I guess.

we're 2-2 and could be worse we're still in the mix after 4 weeks .

[BurgundyNGold]

He doesn't get much money from me. I'm 'slightly satisfied' based on expectations, not based on preferences. You have to tango with the pig you brought to the dance.
But are you satisfied that their performance is what you expected or are you satisified with the performance? They're different questions and I think the poll more relates to the latter.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm happy I'm starting to come to a conclusion on who we are as a team and I'm glad we won. I won't be turning victories into piss and moan fest that much more often. we could have lost and really been devestated. so I'll say we're building and go from there. I have no idea what kinda victory you guys are expecting . we haven't had those in Zorn's whole tenure here so why expect it now. When we win its gonna be an ugly low scoring affair. I guess when we beat a quality team people will get the point of who we are and be better able to accept it I guess.

we're 2-2 and could be worse we're still in the mix after 4 weeks .
So are you satisfied with the performance of the team?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Of course not, they suck donkey balls. I don't like sucking donkey balls myself.

But are you satisfied that their performance is what you expected or are you satisified with the performance? They're different questions and I think the poll more relates to the latter.

I guess you question is answered. ;)

[BurgundyNGold]

I guess you question is answered. ;)
LMAO. Yeah, that's pretty unambiguous lol.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Satisfied we won, completely dissatisfied with the performance.

^Yep^

[Gravy]

Ah, C'mon guys...we scored 16 points...that's an improvement! AND THE D had more than ONE SACK and THEY HAD 2 TURNOVERS...

[jaylen]

So are you satisfied with the performance of the team?

I wasn't but am starting to come around to that thought yes. Nothing is gonna fundamentally change about how the games we're in are gonna be played, we're all running around here like little Dan Snyders hoping they have the greatest show on turf when it ain't gonna happen.

we're gonna mud our way through every single game. if we can find a way to scrap out wins I'll become more and more satisfied and eventually enchanted by the ugliness. lol

we're gonna beat some people experts don't think we'll beat and be right there all season long. we'll drag the smoothest looking teams into the mud. we may lose to other bad teams as well who knows.

its what it is. I expect rhinehart, Orakpo, and AH to improve as things move forward. maybe Kelly and we'll play better but the formula won't change.

[BurgundyNGold]

I wasn't but am starting to come around to that thought yes. Nothing is gonna fundamentally change about how the games we're in are gonna be played, we're all running around here like little Dan Snyders hoping they have the greatest show on turf when it ain't gonna happen.

we're gonna mud our way through every single game. if we can find a way to scrap out wins I'll become more and more satisfied and eventually enchanted by the ugliness. lol

we're gonna beat some people experts don't think we'll beat and be right there all season long. we'll drag the smoothest looking teams into the mud. we may lose to other bad teams as well who knows.

its what it is. I expect rhinehart, Orakpo, and AH to improve as things move forward. maybe Kelly and we'll play better but the formula won't change.
Oh, we'll do the latter. I'm just not sure if we're good/healthy enough to do the former in 2009 like we did in 2008.

[Gunnar]

Completely Dissatisfied ... It will take alot to built up that Offensive line and get a new QB. and head coach. With a owner like Snyder and talk of Holgrem not satisfied.

[CarMike]

I'm happy I'm starting to come to a conclusion on who we are as a team and I'm glad we won. I won't be turning victories into piss and moan fest that much more often. we could have lost and really been devestated. so I'll say we're building and go from there. I have no idea what kinda victory you guys are expecting . we haven't had those in Zorn's whole tenure here so why expect it now. When we win its gonna be an ugly low scoring affair. I guess when we beat a quality team people will get the point of who we are and be better able to accept it I guess.

we're 2-2 and could be worse we're still in the mix after 4 weeks .

I don't expect a W every time out on the field. However, I expect the Redskins to do better than beating two of the worst teams in the NFL by more than 5 points total. AND, I expect the Redskins win in Detroit as well.

Oh yeah. It would also be nice to see some improvement from year one to year two. That's not asking a lot.

OMT, we're not in the mix. You can tell yourself that if it makes it better. But we're far from it.

[BurgundyNGold]

I seriously do not understand how nearly 1 in 5 folks taking this poll can be, in any way, satisfied with the performance of this team thus far.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I don't expect a W every time out on the field. However, I expect the Redskins to do better than beating two of the worst teams in the NFL by more than 5 points total. AND, I expect the Redskins win in Detroit as well.

Oh yeah. It would also be nice to see some improvement from year one to year two. That's not asking a lot.

OMT, we're not in the mix. You can tell yourself that if it makes it better. But we're far from it.
Actually, I think we are. We are in a very exclusive club: the club of NFL teams! Yay!! I mean, we could be in the CFL....

[tbfoster1]

I'm completely dissatisfied. This team sucks. Its painful to watch and its becoming so its not fun anymore.

I was in a sports bar for the 1st half of the game and there were some fans of teams that have been doing well and they were jumping all around and hollaring at TDs making fools out of themselves. I sat there thinking "I remember when it was that way for me" I miss those times.

I'll be in front of the tv next week as I will every week but I'm sure the only thing I'll be doing is rubbing my temples, shaking my head and dropping some f bombs under my breath.

[jaylen]

I don't expect a W every time out on the field. However, I expect the Redskins to do better than beating two of the worst teams in the NFL by more than 5 points total. AND, I expect the Redskins win in Detroit as well.

Oh yeah. It would also be nice to see some improvement from year one to year two. That's not asking a lot.

OMT, we're not in the mix. You can tell yourself that if it makes it better. But we're far from it.

we're 2-2 and no one in the conference has a ton more talent than we have. we win ugly and play ugly.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

what i'm really dissappointed in is the fact that gibbs coached the nucleus of this team to a playoff berth,and snyder, and his favorite hemmoroid vinny,basically pissed everything gibbs staff did within one season and drug it into two seasons of BS!!!!!this team won with somebody that knows how to coach,but stick an on the job trainee like JZ in there,and they can't stop pissing their pants!:giantsuk::giantsuk:

[jaylen]

Oh, we'll do the latter. I'm just not sure if we're good/healthy enough to do the former in 2009 like we did in 2008.

why are you so sure about this we played the Giants and lost by 7 points we weren't trashed or beaten down 35 to zip or shut out like the Bucs were at home.

I think the rude awakening is gonna be how well we compete against the really good teams for some of you. You see struggle against bad teams and equate oh they are a crap team.

But we lost to sorry bengals and rams last season and beat the Eagles and Cowboys along with the Cards and Saints at home.

I see no real difference in the team from this year to last so why would the results drastically change only thing is now the schedule has been easy and we've sucked against bad teams.

probably more pressure on us playing the bad teams now we'll play freer without the expectations against the quality teams.

I can't wait till we play quality teams so the team can be measured more clearly for Skins fans. There will be a I didn't know we could compete ephiphany around here for alot of fans. Not me I can see it.

because the beat the bad teams down formula is never an accurate depiction.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Im not satisfied at all, not with anything or anyone in regards to our 2009 Redskins.

[Goskins11]

i am happy about the win, kinda,ha. This was a painful game to watch, but so has all of them so far. The skins just squeeked by on this one. If it wasn't for a couple of the skins players( portis, cooley, fletcher, and jarmon for the last play) willing this team on, and if their kicker wasn't horrendace this was a sure loss.
The offense looks like it always does, and continues to be so darn predictable. Run, run, pass-incomplete, punt. repeat haha. once in awhile they put up points, but imo will never pass 24 in the season. actually 20 would be like reaching the holy grail right now.
The defense still can not generate a regular front 4 pass rush. I'm tired of the passive defense underachieving. Wow, bad teams are running on this unit. Makes me worried for teams with a good offensive lines and teams that really know how to run the ball. Those 7-10 yard gashes were driving me nuts towards the end of the game. Hall had a good pick, but again his coverage wasn't great. Rogers needs to play with that stick-um stuff on his hands immediatly. His nick name should be stonehands....
These coaches are so outclassed its rediculous. I'm worried that nothing will change. I think vinny will continue to stay and the skins will pick up a big name coach but have no production because dannyboy can't give up his power. well atleast i saw them win 2 games so far. they could be 0-4.

[MadDog97]

I am somewhere between completely dissatified and dissatisfied. The only positives are the two wins, Greg's admission, and Campbell keeping his head. But honestly, we beat Tampa Bay and the Rams. We LOST to Detroit. I could live with losing to the Giants in NY, but really we have not shown we can beat a decent team. The Panthers should be interesting. If Jake is on then we lose. If not, we have a shot.

:sun:

[SpicyMcHaggis]

we're 2-2 and no one in the conference has a ton more talent than we have. we win ugly and play ugly.

I'm curious as to exactly what evidence (real evidence) you have of this fact. And this doesn't even consider the fact that talent alone gets you absolutely nowhere.

[BurgundyNGold]

why are you so sure about this we played the Giants and lost by 7 points we weren't trashed or beaten down 35 to zip or shut out like the Bucs were at home.
If you thought we lost that game by only 7 points than you need to go to the back of the class. We were dominated on both sides of the ball and the Gints didn't even break a sweat against us. The basically called the same 6 plays against us all game. And the only TD we got came in garbage time when the Gints were just looking to get out without any significant injuries.

I think the rude awakening is gonna be how well we compete against the really good teams for some of you. You see struggle against bad teams and equate oh they are a crap team.
That's how it works. When you lose to the worst team in the league (one of the worst in NFL history, BTW) and only beat 2 of the other 3 or 4 worst teams by a combined 5 points -- at home no less -- you're not a very good football team. In 5 or 6 weeks, that might not be the case. But right now, we're one of the worst 5 or 6 teams in the league.

But we lost to sorry bengals and rams last season and beat the Eagles and Cowboys along with the Cards and Saints at home.
That has nothing to do with this year. This team isn't even as good as that team.

I see no real difference in the team from this year to last so why would the results drastically change only thing is now the schedule has been easy and we've sucked against bad teams.
You can start with every player being a year older. You can continue with Samuels and Thomas coming off of major surgeries. You can continue with the fact that Jansen is gone and that we still have no WR to speak of. Add in that Springs is gone, Washington is gone while Zorn and Blache have actually regressed as coaches and you've got yourself a very, very different team.

probably more pressure on us playing the bad teams now we'll play freer without the expectations against the quality teams.
That's psycho babble. You are what your record says you are. This team had everything in the world to play for after being humiliated against the Lions. And the best the could manage was to beat a terrible team with a rookie head coach and a low quality QB making his first ever start by 3 points at home.

I can't wait till we play quality teams so the team can be measured more clearly for Skins fans. There will be a I didn't know we could compete ephiphany around here for alot of fans. Not me I can see it.
So can I. But we're not seeing the same thing.

because the beat the bad teams down formula is never an accurate depiction.
Man, I hope your're right. Maybe it's just that they're not in sync. And maybe they should have played the starters as much as necessary in preseason if it meant actually getting in sync.

[SkinsWins]

I don't think that you can be anything more than completely dissatisfied. These were the weeks that we were supposed to jump out to a good start, build some confidence, and maybe that would carry us a little through the tough weeks coming up. Instead we eeked out two wins, lost to the worst team in the last decade, and are showing no signs that the division won't completely mop the floor with us.
Once again, we will be bottom of the barrel which used to not be that bad becuase the division was rediculously good but that isn't the case anymore and we still get embarrassed.

[Keino]

I'd really like to hear from the 12 people who are remotely satisfied. I have two questions for you:

How?

and

why?

[Keino]

For me a win is a win. And honestly the second half begs the question of whether they are starting to turn the corner. That said, i doubt it. We need a couple of full games of playing well.

No it doesn't. If we play a sceond half like that against a decent team or a divisional opponent, then okay. Do you realize how bad the Bucs are?

[Keino]

Of course not, they suck donkey balls. I don't like sucking donkey balls myself.

Then how can you be remotely satsified?

I won't satisfied until we are annual contenders like we used to be. Just call me Mick Jagger (without the lips or the skates).

[skin4ever]

No it doesn't. If we play a sceond half like that against a decent team or a divisional opponent, then okay. Do you realize how bad the Bucs are?

Is this poll about the bucs game or for the season? If its for the season, then im in the dissatisfied column. However, given the fact that we won, is enough for me not to be dissatisfied for the Bucs game. I wasnt completely satisfied, especially given how we played in the first half.

However, i at least saw some fire from some players. CP i will give him credit, he was giving the extra push that I hadnt seen from him since early last year(thus his best output on the year). JC's td pass to moss was nice to see, since the same pass was picked off in the first half cause he underthrew it. Hall got an int, and we were getting some pressure. The guys on the sideline were cheering for eachother and rallying behind one another.

Yeah i know the Bucs suck, but thats who we played this week. Next week we have another test, but if we can build upon what i saw in the Bucs game for 4 qtrs we can win. Will we, i dont know(and am more pesimistic) but im tired of criticizing for now, we won the game we played.

Maybe this can clarify it, my expectations going into this game werent that high, i mean yeah if we were the Colts, Ravens, Giants, etc. I would be completely dissatisfied, but we arent. We lost to the lions, have a lot of questions that remain to be answered. But the question of are the Skins ready to roll over, no we arent based on my above observations.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I'd really like to hear from the 12 people who are remotely satisfied. I have two questions for you:

How?

and

why?

A few people PM'd me in the hope of staying annonymous. Naturally, no one wants to be attacked. But in the interest in fairness, I thought I would at least post why some people are satisfied.

"My money is still green and guaranteed." Annonymous recently acquired DT.
"We are getting better." Annonymous coach
"We may not be winning right now, but I can show you the championships and hardware I've been a part of, so you can trust I'm going to make this team great." Annonymous front office lackey.

As you can see there are many different reasons to be satisfied with the current state of the organization.

[akhhorus]

A few people PM'd me in the hope of staying annonymous. Naturally, no one wants to be attacked. But in the interest in fairness, I thought I would at least post why some people are satisfied.

"My money is still green and guaranteed." Annonymous recently acquired DT.
"We are getting better." Annonymous coach
"We may not be winning right now, but I can show you the championships and hardware I've been a part of, so you can trust I'm going to make this team great." Annonymous front office lackey.

As you can see there are many different reasons to be satisfied with the current state of the organization.

I got one of those PM: "Count the rings BnG"-VC

[IH Brave]

I got one of those PM: "Count the rings BnG"-VC

Did I ever mention that last year I got one of those anonymous PM's that said: "I'm satisfied because I was given plenty of time off to rest my calf."

[helimech24]

Is this poll about the bucs game or for the season? If its for the season, then im in the dissatisfied column. However, given the fact that we won, is enough for me not to be dissatisfied for the Bucs game. I wasnt completely satisfied, especially given how we played in the first half.

However, i at least saw some fire from some players. CP i will give him credit, he was giving the extra push that I hadnt seen from him since early last year(thus his best output on the year). JC's td pass to moss was nice to see, since the same pass was picked off in the first half cause he underthrew it. Hall got an int, and we were getting some pressure. The guys on the sideline were cheering for eachother and rallying behind one another.

Yeah i know the Bucs suck, but thats who we played this week. Next week we have another test, but if we can build upon what i saw in the Bucs game for 4 qtrs we can win. Will we, i dont know(and am more pesimistic) but im tired of criticizing for now, we won the game we played.

Maybe this can clarify it, my expectations going into this game werent that high, i mean yeah if we were the Colts, Ravens, Giants, etc. I would be completely dissatisfied, but we arent. We lost to the lions, have a lot of questions that remain to be answered. But the question of are the Skins ready to roll over, no we arent based on my above observations.Then you have more sympathy than most on this board, including myself. The Cowboys didn't do crap against TB in the first half of their game either...but they came out and put up big points and not 16. The only thing that changed between the halves was that Campbell looked better and started scrambling. The play calling didn't change much thoughout on either side of the ball. Still got too many stretch plays called for a RB with bad ankles and still didn't see a blitz. Nothing will change for this team until GB learns how to scheme to get pressure on the QB and Zorn/Campbell actually make plays that get other WRs involved. I understand that Cooley and Moss are the superstars on the offense, but you cannot convince me that out of 3 other WRs...they all suck! That not one of them was open the freakin game...and the only time Kelly was open...he was double teamed.

WE LOOKED HORRIBLE EVERY GAME THIS YEAR!!!!!

[Brokenstriker]

Is this poll about the bucs game or for the season? If its for the season, then im in the dissatisfied column. However, given the fact that we won, is enough for me not to be dissatisfied for the Bucs game. I wasnt completely satisfied, especially given how we played in the first half.

However, i at least saw some fire from some players. CP i will give him credit, he was giving the extra push that I hadnt seen from him since early last year(thus his best output on the year). JC's td pass to moss was nice to see, since the same pass was picked off in the first half cause he underthrew it. Hall got an int, and we were getting some pressure. The guys on the sideline were cheering for eachother and rallying behind one another.

Yeah i know the Bucs suck, but thats who we played this week. Next week we have another test, but if we can build upon what i saw in the Bucs game for 4 qtrs we can win. Will we, i dont know(and am more pesimistic) but im tired of criticizing for now, we won the game we played.

Maybe this can clarify it, my expectations going into this game werent that high, i mean yeah if we were the Colts, Ravens, Giants, etc. I would be completely dissatisfied, but we arent. We lost to the lions, have a lot of questions that remain to be answered. But the question of are the Skins ready to roll over, no we arent based on my above observations.

its intended to be about the Redskins in general ... if you are a Redskins fan, are you satisfied with the team, are you satisfied with linking/aligning yourself to the team, are you proud to be a Redskins fan? If you go to games, are you satisfied with the teams play, did you get your money's worth? Are you going to wear your colors, live and die (metaphorically) with their successes and failures, justify their actions, their personnel, their persona, etc? Do want for anything as a Redskins fan? A better reputation? A better record? A better effort?

[Brokenstriker]

WE LOOKED HORRIBLE EVERY GAME THIS YEAR!!!!!

... and most of last year
... and most of the time for most of the years since Gibbs I

I know adults who have no personal experience or recognition of the concept that the Redskins were ever ...
a winning team (3 Lombardi trophies)
a dominant force in the league (reasonably included in dynasty discussions)
entertaining to watch (2 1000 yard receivers, most catches by a WR, "the Diesel, curtain calls for RBs, Mike "no fair catch" Helms)
undebatable and excellent Over Achievers at the highest levels (the Defense, Bostic, the Garbage Man)
symbolic of understated and humble excellence (Art Monk)
studded with all pros (seriously ... this would be a long list ... even just staying in the 80s and 90s)
lead by BRILLIANT coaches (Petitbon, Allen, Gibbs)

It has been a very long time since they weren't or threatening to become laughing stocks

[BurgundyNGold]

A few people PM'd me in the hope of staying annonymous. Naturally, no one wants to be attacked. But in the interest in fairness, I thought I would at least post why some people are satisfied.

"My money is still green and guaranteed." Annonymous recently acquired DT.
"We are getting better." Annonymous coach
"We may not be winning right now, but I can show you the championships and hardware I've been a part of, so you can trust I'm going to make this team great." Annonymous front office lackey.

As you can see there are many different reasons to be satisfied with the current state of the organization.
:lol1:

Great post.

I got one of those PM: "Count the rings BnG"-VC
I've gotten a recent PM that went, "I'm going to intellectually destroy you in my next column" lol.

[skin4ever]

its intended to be about the Redskins in general ... if you are a Redskins fan, are you satisfied with the team, are you satisfied with linking/aligning yourself to the team, are you proud to be a Redskins fan? If you go to games, are you satisfied with the teams play, did you get your money's worth? Are you going to wear your colors, live and die (metaphorically) with their successes and failures, justify their actions, their personnel, their persona, etc? Do want for anything as a Redskins fan? A better reputation? A better record? A better effort?

Is this team any worse than what most of our expectations were going into the season? We knew what the problems were going into the season: Oline health and depth, JC will he get it or not, CP health, RB depth, WR's-will they get open, catch the ball and will JC make a good throw, Coaching-playcalling/scheming/gametime adjustments, D line-will we get pressure, Orakpo will he be able to play OLB and DE, DB depth and turnovers. We all knew in our hearts we werent a good team coming into the season, we all knew that in order to be a good team alot of those issues would have to be magically resolved(quickly), so my sanity has forced me to appreciate the little things. Its like someone who is dying, all of the sudden sun sets, sunrises mean something. If you guys had the expectations that we would be the Colts or Giants than you havent been honest with yourself.

That said, there were some positives in the second half of the game against the Bucs, moreso than all of the other games combined, so i have to wait and see until next week to see if those positives continue. I know we are still not a good team, and those positives could quickly disappear but i cant let the skins bad play ruin my week anymore, especially since they won.

As for some of your questions, yeah im a skins fan and will always cheer for them on sundays. I will always wear my skins gear and proudly announce i am a fan. Satisfaction in their product will not diminish those facts. Do i wish that we were a perennial powerhouse and the most dominant team in NFL, of course. We just arent, am i satisfied with where they are NO. But what can we do.

[redskin_rich]

Satisfied - No
Pleased - No
Surprised - No
Embarrassed- Not at all, since I harbored no false expectations.
Do I still cheer my team and wear the colors in public - Absolutely, if you don't you weren't a fan to begin with.

[Brokenstriker]

Is this team any worse than what most of our expectations were going into the season? We knew what the problems were going into the season: Oline health and depth, JC will he get it or not, CP health, RB depth, WR's-will they get open, catch the ball and will JC make a good throw, Coaching-playcalling/scheming/gametime adjustments, D line-will we get pressure, Orakpo will he be able to play OLB and DE, DB depth and turnovers. We all knew in our hearts we werent a good team coming into the season, we all knew that in order to be a good team alot of those issues would have to be magically resolved(quickly), so my sanity has forced me to appreciate the little things. Its like someone who is dying, all of the sudden sun sets, sunrises mean something. If you guys had the expectations that we would be the Colts or Giants than you havent been honest with yourself.

That said, there were some positives in the second half of the game against the Bucs, moreso than all of the other games combined, so i have to wait and see until next week to see if those positives continue. I know we are still not a good team, and those positives could quickly disappear but i cant let the skins bad play ruin my week anymore, especially since they won.

As for some of your questions, yeah im a skins fan and will always cheer for them on sundays. I will always wear my skins gear and proudly announce i am a fan. Satisfaction in their product will not diminish those facts. Do i wish that we were a perennial powerhouse and the most dominant team in NFL, of course. We just arent, am i satisfied with where they are NO. But what can we do.

My expectations were that they would be better than they appear to be, but I didn't expect them to be anything more than average at best.

My hope is always that they will be the best team in the league

My requirement however is that they respect the "team" as much as I do at a minimum.
... That the front office would hire competent coaches with realistic expectations of being very good.
... That the leadership would build a competative team to expand strengths and as a priority remove weaknesses (the offensive line, the defensive pass rush, quarterback, running back depth, etc.).
... That they would get out of their own way (personal fouls, wasted timeouts, short passes on "3rd and," simplistic game plans, etc.
... That they would demonstrate admirable qualities ... confidence, discipline, preparedness, determination, teamwork
... That they require and demand excellence

Towards that end ...
... there is no GM
... the head coach has no experience and isn't impressive to date
... the OC has no experience and isn't impressive to date
... the DC has established that he is too stubborn to revise his approach to tailor it to his players abilities or try to improve on poor performance
... they haven't built a "team," or addressed their weaknesses
... they make completely avoidable and unprofessional mistakes
... the QB does not appear to have confidence that he/they can succeed, players don't know where to line up, routes aren't learned, tackling fundementals are abandoned, angles are laughable, etc. etc. etc. (do these guys have position coaches? are they held accountable?)
... and most hurtful so far ... they are rationalizing their failures by saying things like ... the other team is better, we have to accept that this is how they "win" (I guess that means that they win by playing like crap and trying to hand the game to the worst team in the league who is so dysfunctional that the Skins back into a victory) ... and complaining that the fans aren't supporting them ...

if you want to accept mediocrity ... then do it without me.

I'm still a Redskins fan ... I still watch, attend, cheer ... but until more people* worthy enough to be Redskins (management especially) are in the organization ... I am not satisfied

*there are some there now ... but no where near enough and not in the leadership positions

[skin4ever]

My expectations were that they would be better than they appear to be, but I didn't expect them to be anything more than average at best.

My hope is always that they will be the best team in the league

My requirement however is that they respect the "team" as much as I do at a minimum.
... That the front office would hire competent coaches with realistic expectations of being very good.
... That the leadership would build a competative team to expand strengths and as a priority remove weaknesses (the offensive line, the defensive pass rush, quarterback, running back depth, etc.).
... That they would get out of their own way (personal fouls, wasted timeouts, short passes on "3rd and," simplistic game plans, etc.
... That they would demonstrate admirable qualities ... confidence, discipline, preparedness, determination, teamwork
... That they require and demand excellence

Towards that end ...
... there is no GM
... the head coach has no experience and isn't impressive to date
... the OC has no experience and isn't impressive to date
... the DC has established that he is too stubborn to revise his approach to tailor it to his players abilities or try to improve on poor performance
... they haven't built a "team," or addressed their weaknesses
... they make completely avoidable and unprofessional mistakes
... the QB does not appear to have confidence that he/they can succeed, players don't know where to line up, routes aren't learned, tackling fundementals are abandoned, angles are laughable, etc. etc. etc. (do these guys have position coaches? are they held accountable?)
... and most hurtful so far ... they are rationalizing their failures by saying things like ... the other team is better, we have to accept that this is how they "win" (I guess that means that they win by playing like crap and trying to hand the game to the worst team in the league who is so dysfunctional that the Skins back into a victory) ... and complaining that the fans aren't supporting them ...

if you want to accept mediocrity ... then do it without me.

I'm still a Redskins fan ... I still watch, attend, cheer ... but until more people* worthy enough to be Redskins (management especially) are in the organization ... I am not satisfied

*there are some there now ... but no where near enough and not in the leadership positions

Whose accepting mediocrity? I did enough bitching during the offseason and preseason about almost all of your requirements, but now the season is upon us. These are the cards as dealt, i just cant be completely dissatisfied with a win no matter how ugly. We won this week, the Bucs fans are the ones that should be completely dissatisfied. The season on a whole, yeah im with you, we arent a good team and the prognosis for the future doesnt bode well, but i cant hate on them to the extent some have after a win, where we rallied from behind and won, even if it is the Bucs. There were some bright spots that took place that are being overshadowed by the same problems we complained of week 9 last season.

Did any of you who are completely dissatisfied see any positives during sundays game. Come on, for the first time in a long time CP showed he gave a crap and pushed for the extra yard, players were rallying behind on another on the sideline, and i will bet that you all cheered when we scored(especially on that Santana grab and go), even if it came before a sarcastic statement about how bad the team is. If so, then you werent completely dissatisfied with sundays game.

I mean this in a joking but truthful manner, if you wont be satisfied until your requirements are met, than you will never be pleased even if they do win. DS is running this team into the ground.

[Rogers_Redskins]

I am completely dissatisfied. We need to blow it up form the owner all the way down the the towel boy.

[Farmer Ted]

Then how can you be remotely satsified?

I won't satisfied until we are annual contenders like we used to be. Just call me Mick Jagger (without the lips or the skates).

Like I said, I expected them to go 8-8, and they're 2-2. THEY ARE WHO I SAID THEY WERE!!!!

I'm only going to be disappointed if they fall below what I expected from the onset. To me, disappointment means getting less than you expect (not less than you deserve). I haven't gotten that yet, although I suspect I may in the next 12 games.

[SkinsWins]

Like I said, I expected them to go 8-8, and they're 2-2. THEY ARE WHO I SAID THEY WERE!!!!

AND WE LET THEM OFF THE HOOK!

[Keino]

Like I said, I expected them to go 8-8, and they're 2-2. THEY ARE WHO I SAID THEY WERE!!!!

I'm only going to be disappointed if they fall below what I expected from the onset. To me, disappointment means getting less than you expect (not less than you deserve). I haven't gotten that yet, although I suspect I may in the next 12 games.

So you are satisfied because they have met your low expectations? That's absurd.

I take no satisfaction in being correct about my expectations when they are so tragic.

[Patrick]

So you are satisfied because they have met your low expectations? That's absurd.

I take no satisfaction in being correct about my expectations when they are so tragic.
Man, that's a new one on me .......

[Farmer Ted]

So you are satisfied because they have met your low expectations? That's absurd.

I take no satisfaction in being correct about my expectations when they are so tragic.

If I go to McDonalds and order a Big Mac, and I get the Big Mac, I am satisfied. If I go to an expensive restaurant and order a steak, and they give me a Big Mac, I am not satisfied. It's that simple, and I'm not sure why it's hard to understand.

[Keino]

If I go to McDonalds and order a Big Mac, and I get the Big Mac, I am satisfied. If I go to an expensive restaurant and order a steak, and they give me a Big Mac, I am not satisfied. It's that simple, and I'm not sure why it's hard to understand.

So if you think the team is going 2-14, and they go 2-14 then you are satisfied with that? Okay, that makes sense. And by saying that makes sense I mean it makes no sense at all.

Coversely, if you order a big mac and you get a Porterhouse Steak, are you going to be dissatisifed?

My satisfaction (like most fans) comes from seeing the team be successful, consistently. Not from being right about my dreadful predictions. How can anyone be satisfied with mediocrity?

In fact, I have heard it said that True Evil is the holding-up of mediocrity as an acceptable standard. In the case of the Redskins, I agree 1000%.

[Farmer Ted]

So if you think the team is going 2-14, and they go 2-14 then you are satisfied with that? Okay, that makes sense. And by saying that makes sense I mean it makes no sense at all.

Coversely, if you order a big mac and you get a Porterhouse Steak, are you going to be dissatisifed?

My satisfaction (like most fans) comes from seeing the team be successful, consistently. Not from being right about my dreadful predictions. How can anyone be satisfied with mediocrity?

In fact, I have heard it said that True Evil is the holding-up of mediocrity as an acceptable standard. In the case of the Redskins, I agree 1000%.

If I get the porterhouse (and it's not well done), then I will be pleasantly surprised, of course.

This organization is mediocre at best. That is not going to change as long as Snyder is in charge, which could well last another 4 decades. All I can hope for at this point is a .500 team. You're nuts if you expect better with Danny running the show. Just accept it for what it is, that is my recommendation, and don't blow your money on season tickets.

[Brokenstriker]

if you wont be satisfied until your requirements are met, than you will never be pleased even if they do win. DS is running this team into the ground.

You're missing my point ... Winning games, or losing games doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm not satisfied because they are aren't competitve, because their leadership is a laughing stock, too many of their players aren't fully committed to winning, aren't prepared like professionals ought to be, rationalize their failure and point at things that have nothing to do with their performance or anything they can control.

Dignity and respect don't come from the win-loss column, it comes from how you play, how you act, how you prepare, what you say.

I'm perfectly capable of being satisfied with the Redskins if they don't win. I have been in the past ... e.g., Gibbs first season, Larry Brown running on one leg, Sonny Jurgenson using every second of the clock to come from behind, Art Monk and John Riggins handing the ball to the ref after TDs, Gary Clark pulling the fans in at the stadium after a score. I can be proud of a team that plays well and loses.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

If I go to McDonalds and order a Big Mac, and I get the Big Mac, I am satisfied. If I go to an expensive restaurant and order a steak, and they give me a Big Mac, I am not satisfied. It's that simple, and I'm not sure why it's hard to understand.

I understand people having low expectations for 2009 based on how 2008 ended and how they hae played so far, but based on the tradition, rabid fan base and resources provided to the Redskins, the Redskins should be an expensive restaurant with a good steak. You want a Big Mac, go watch the Lions or the Cardinals (not you specifically FT). We should demand the Redskins be an expensive restaurant and stop serving us these crappy Big Macs.

[skin4ever]

You're missing my point ... Winning games, or losing games doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm not satisfied because they are aren't competitve, because their leadership is a laughing stock, too many of their players aren't fully committed to winning, aren't prepared like professionals ought to be, rationalize their failure and point at things that have nothing to do with their performance or anything they can control.

Dignity and respect don't come from the win-loss column, it comes from how you play, how you act, how you prepare, what you say.

I'm perfectly capable of being satisfied with the Redskins if they don't win. I have been in the past ... e.g., Gibbs first season, Larry Brown running on one leg, Sonny Jurgenson using every second of the clock to come from behind, Art Monk and John Riggins handing the ball to the ref after TDs, Gary Clark pulling the fans in at the stadium after a score. I can be proud of a team that plays well and loses.

So if we were 4-0 you would still be unsatisfied? Truthfully, i understand what you are saying and I agree to some extent, but i think those that say they are satisfied verus dissatisfied are basing it on different criteria. I think everyone would agree that they are dissatisfied given what you stated above.

[Keino]

If I get the porterhouse (and it's not well done), then I will be pleasantly surprised, of course.

This organization is mediocre at best. That is not going to change as long as Snyder is in charge, which could well last another 4 decades. All I can hope for at this point is a .500 team. You're nuts if you expect better with Danny running the show. Just accept it for what it is, that is my recommendation, and don't blow your money on season tickets.

Acceptance and Satisfaction are not remotely the same conceptually. I can accept that Snyder has doomed us to mediocrity. I will NEVER be satisfied with that. See the difference?

[WackyJacky]

Got to wonder it some folks are relating the question to yesterday's results
Indeed, yesterday's game certainly played a part in my vote: EXTREMELY DISSATISFIED.

[BurgundyNGold]

So if we were 4-0 you would still be unsatisfied? Truthfully, i understand what you are saying and I agree to some extent, but i think those that say they are satisfied verus dissatisfied are basing it on different criteria. I think everyone would agree that they are dissatisfied given what you stated above.
Apparently not lol.

[Sweepea436]

Definitely completely dis-satisfied. I dont mind being in close games IF they are of a similiar nature to the Monday night game. I've seen a Redskins win this year, and a loss - and intensity whise, I couldn't tell the difference between them. This team doesnt have life. At least when we were mediocre under Gibbs 2 - they were TRYING. The playoff appearance one & done was "OK" with me because they fought for it. This team doesnt seem to be interested in anything but not getting blame cast on them.

[hogskins]

Acceptance and Satisfaction are not remotely the same conceptually. I can accept that Snyder has doomed us to mediocrity. I will NEVER be satisfied with that. See the difference?

That's an important distinction. At the outset of 2008, I expected the team to be mediocre, 8-8ish. We had a surprisingly good first half of the season, which had all of us (nearly, I suspect) leading with our chin. I neither accepted nor was satisfied with last year's final results. At the outset of this season, my expectations were again in the mediocre range (force of habit). We are playing down to my expectations, so I will accept it (and what choice do I really have?), but I'm again unsatisfied, and will likely end the season that way.

I resent this pattern of "learned" low expectations, but I'm too worn out to do anything but accept the results. For this, I really despise our rodent/owner.

[Brokenstriker]

So if we were 4-0 you would still be unsatisfied? Truthfully, i understand what you are saying and I agree to some extent, but i think those that say they are satisfied verus dissatisfied are basing it on different criteria. I think everyone would agree that they are dissatisfied given what you stated above.

If they presented themselves the same way that they do now and stumbled into 4-0 I'd be less dissatisfied but I'd still be dissatisfied ... probably 2 things in play here ... I don't believe that they could be 4-0 while being such a collectively and comprehensively unimpressive organization ... and the other is at least I wouldn't cringe when other teams' fans find out I'm a Redskins fan. The latter is selfish. But I do think I wouldn't be satisfied ... maybe its just me but I value how you play more than wins and losses. People who go with front runners, who shop the sports scores to find "their team" ... I suppose they would be happy with a low class crew that is 4-0. But ... I don't think you'll find any front runners in this forum unless they are fans of some other team and dropping in.

[Keino]

That's an important distinction. At the outset of 2008, I expected the team to be mediocre, 8-8ish. We had a surprisingly good first half of the season, which had all of us (nearly, I suspect) leading with our chin. I neither accepted nor was satisfied with last year's final results. At the outset of this season, my expectations were again in the mediocre range (force of habit). We are playing down to my expectations, so I will accept it (and what choice do I really have?), but I'm again unsatisfied, and will likely end the season that way.

I resent this pattern of "learned" low expectations, but I'm too worn out to do anything but accept the results. For this, I really despise our rodent/owner.

You know it wasn't just that we were 6-2 at the break, but also how we got there. We won 2 of 3 division games on the road and beat a pretty damn good Saints team at home and the Superbowl Runner-up Cardinals as well. We beat some good teams to get to 6-2. In that circumstance, with a veteran team, it was reasonable to have our expectations raised.

Which made the 2nd half of the season that much more of a bitter pill to swallow. Had the team maintained the mediocre expectations, I don't think many of us would have been nearly as hard on them down the stretch.

[skin4ever]

You know it wasn't just that we were 6-2 at the break, but also how we got there. We won 2 of 3 division games on the road and beat a pretty damn good Saints team at home and the Superbowl Runner-up Cardinals as well. We beat some good teams to get to 6-2. In that circumstance, with a veteran team, it was reasonable to have our expectations raised.

Which made the 2nd half of the season that much more of a bitter pill to swallow. Had the team maintained the mediocre expectations, I don't think many of us would have been nearly as hard on them down the stretch.

+1 as to last season, but given the collective expectations for this season, why is everyone so hard on a team that has played as has been expected. We knew and discussed ad nausem the issues with this team heading into the season, now that most of them have been exposed as fact not speculation, why not look at the little things we have been doing right instead of bashing them for playing how we knew they would play.

Wasnt there anything that happened on sunday that you were proud of or cheered for or thought this is how the team should rally around eachother. I keep harping on that point, but at the end of the day, if you walked away with some good feeling about the skins game then it was a good day. Obviously there is alot to work on, and if we were playing lights out and won like we did against the BUcs, most of us would have said a win is a win and let the dog lie. BUt we arent. Maybe next week, if we lose and lose playing badly then i will be completely dissatisfied but until sunday, hey i saw some good things to look forward to and hope it continues.

[BurgundyNGold]

+1 as to last season, but given the collective expectations for this season, why is everyone so hard on a team that has played as has been expected. We knew and discussed ad nausem the issues with this team heading into the season, now that most of them have been exposed as fact not speculation, why not look at the little things we have been doing right instead of bashing them for playing how we knew they would play.
Just because something is expected doesn't make it any more acceptable.

Wasnt there anything that happened on sunday that you were proud of or cheered for or thought this is how the team should rally around eachother. I keep harping on that point, but at the end of the day, if you walked away with some good feeling about the skins game then it was a good day. Obviously there is alot to work on, and if we were playing lights out and won like we did against the BUcs, most of us would have said a win is a win and let the dog lie. BUt we arent. Maybe next week, if we lose and lose playing badly then i will be completely dissatisfied but until sunday, hey i saw some good things to look forward to and hope it continues.
That bar is set *way* too low lol. We're not talking the realm of pole vaulting or even high jumping with that bar. Maybe not even limbo.

The thing is that, after a pathetic loss to the Lions, one would expect that the 53 on the field would be up for this game. They would come out and hit harder, tackle better and do everything they could to utterly destroy a bad Bucs team with an inexperienced QB getting his first start. But they didn't. That lack of heart is what is most disappointing.

[skin4ever]

Just because something is expected doesn't make it any more acceptable.


That bar is set *way* too low lol. We're not talking the realm of pole vaulting or even high jumping with that bar. Maybe not even limbo.

The thing is that, after a pathetic loss to the Lions, one would expect that the 53 on the field would be up for this game. They would come out and hit harder, tackle better and do everything they could to utterly destroy a bad Bucs team with an inexperienced QB getting his first start. But they didn't. That lack of heart is what is most disappointing.

Did you see how the team began to rally behind eachother in the 2nd half, or CP giving that extra push that he hadnt in a while? To me that showed heart, yeah the stunk up the joint in the first half, but in the second half they didnt fold like a crappy team would being down as we were, they came out fired up. Thats the whole reason i was slightly satisfied. This team rallied behind eachother and didnt fold when other teams would have.