Jordan Shipley

[AustinSkin]

Not sure where he is going to wind up in the draft, but he's a STUD, as a wide receiver and special teams guy at Texas. Reminds me of a combo of Wes Welker, Ricky Proehl, and Steve Largent. He has speed, but he's a massive possession receiver, with intelligience.

Thoughts, anyone?

[akhhorus]

Can he play RT?

And Texas guys always seem soft and undeveloped. Pass.

[BurgundyNGold]

Can he play RT?

And Texas guys always seem soft and undeveloped. Pass.
It's a Big 12 thing. ;)

Honestly, I'd be just fine if we focused all of our scouts in the SEC and just drafted from there. Maybe a scout or 2 in the Big 10 for OL lol.

[akhhorus]

It's a Big 12 thing. ;)

Nah, there's a lot of good players from the big 12, but Mack Brown's guys always seem lazy, sleepy eyed and without much technique.

Honestly, I'd be just fine if we focused all of our scouts in the SEC and just drafted from there. Maybe a scout or 2 in the Big 10 for OL lol.

lol works for me.

[skinsfan36]

scouting the sec is fine with me. but we hae to let the brillant west coast scout get involved who hs netted us mitchell,horton

[JasonCampbell]

no moar WRs pleeze

[BigCountry]

Can he play RT?

And Texas guys always seem soft and undeveloped. Pass.

That was the thing to say last year but at this point is there a position on offense that you can't say is an area of need other then tight end?

[akhhorus]

That was the thing to say last year but at this point is there a position on offense that you can't say is an area of need other then tight end?

I agree, but with young guys like Mitchell, Thomas and Kelly already on the roster WR is one of the lowest priorities for the offseason.

[Biggie]

I want us to trade players/trade down picks until we have 15 in the draft next year and spend them all on the line.

[Redskinsfan#56]

A couple of guys that have really drawn my interest from watching some of the college football games are. ... I would definitely not pick a WR in the early rounds. Marko Mitchell looks like a player...but what a waste Kelly and Thomas have been. What is the problem with kelly...he hardly gets any balls thrown his way ...is he not getting open. At 6'4 227 lbs he should be a great red zone threat ..but he has been invisible.

Mark Ingram RB Alabama. Don't know if he is a senior or junior but he looks like the next coming of Emmit Smith. He runs powerful with a sense of urgency and continually moves the pile forward. I am tiring of Clinton Portis' prima donna ways and feel we need a blue collar workhorse in there who won't complain and just do the job.

Ciron Black T LSU. Really classy kid. Read somewhere on here that he wrote a letter to a sick kid and took him to their bowl game. He is a mountain of a man and would be a day 1 starter as a RT for us in 2010.

With Campbell's ineffectiveness I can see them going for a QB in round one....but I'd rather have them address the OL and RB situation first.
Give Campbell a solid ground game/O -line and I think he can be efficient. I hope Jevan Snead QB Ole Miss is not on their radar as he has looked terrible in games vs. Alabama and South Carolina this year.

[jbreezy434]

Draft him right away and have him play quarterback because he is better than what we have..........#1 pick

[BigTex]

Nah, there's a lot of good players from the big 12, but Mack Brown's guys always seem lazy, sleepy eyed and without much technique.


I think the perception of UT is not quite accurate. When you produce as many NFL players as they do, you're going to have some of them that just won't succeed at the pro level.

[akhhorus]

I think the perception of UT is not quite accurate. When you produce as many NFL players as they do, you're going to have some of them that just won't succeed at the pro level.

Here's a list of players drafted from UT that could be called busts, lazy or without good techinque:

Brian Orakpo
Cedric Dockery
Limas Sweed
Tony Hills
Frank Okam
Tim Crowder
Vince Young
Michael Huff
Cedric Griffin
David Thomas
Jonathan Scot
Rodrique Wright
Derrick Johnson
Roy Williams
Marcus Tubbs
Derrick Dockery
Mike Williams
Quentin Jammer
Leonard Davis
Shaun Rogers
Ricky Williams

There's a few good picks of the Mack Brown players(Nathan Vasher, Jermichael Finley, Bo Scaife, Justin Blalock, Cory Redding and Casey Hampton), but they look like more of a crapshoot.

[dogfight6]

I want us to trade players/trade down picks until we have 15 in the draft next year and spend them all on the line.

Amen. O-line O-line and more O-line, buuuuuut O-linemen don't have glamor or big names so who knows

[BigTex]

Here's a list of players drafted from UT that could be called busts, lazy or without good techinque:

Brian Orakpo
Cedric Dockery
Limas Sweed
Tony Hills
Frank Okam
Tim Crowder
Vince Young
Michael Huff
Cedric Griffin
David Thomas
Jonathan Scot
Rodrique Wright
Derrick Johnson
Roy Williams
Marcus Tubbs
Derrick Dockery
Mike Williams
Quentin Jammer
Leonard Davis
Shaun Rogers
Ricky Williams


That's a very subjective list and not entirely accurate.

[akhhorus]

That's a very subjective list and not entirely accurate.

I didn't include the waiver wire players who weren't drafted high, nor did I include the quality players that were drafted(which weren't many). You can make a case for guys like Mike Huff(who's finally coming on as a decent player, but almost got cut and has never justified his high draft status), Quentin Jammer(decent starter who never justified his draft position) or Shaun Rogers(when he cared, he was unstoppable). But look at all the top ten picks: none of them have ever justified their draft position, and they all seemed to have the same questionable effort/doesn't really know how to play his position question marks about.

[BigTex]

Not sure where he is going to wind up in the draft, but he's a STUD, as a wide receiver and special teams guy at Texas. Reminds me of a combo of Wes Welker, Ricky Proehl, and Steve Largent. He has speed, but he's a massive possession receiver, with intelligience.

Thoughts, anyone?

I've watched Shipley going back to his junior year at Burnet. I remember the first game I saw him play. I used to do some play-by-play for a high school team and they were playing Burnet. The first play of the game Stephen McGee (Yep the one the Cowgirls drafted this year.) hits Shipley for a 75 yard TD. I called a UT alum after the game who told me to watch McGee because of how good he was. I called him back after the game and said y'all need to offer Shipley because he was the better of the two players.

His team lost in the state title game two years in a row, but that was no fault of his own. The 2nd time they lost in the title game was to Gainesville at Texas Stadium. He was so fast that Gainesville, not exactly a slow team, had to bring over the safety to double him the entire game. That safety was Darcel McBath, currently a rookie with the Broncos.

Shipley will be a good punt and kick returner in the NFL. He's fast and has very good hands and should be a good slot receiver. I really didn't know if he'd ever develop into anything more than a good special teams guy at the NFL level, but he's gotten a lot better during his time at UT. I hope to see his brother Jaxon playing for the Horns in a couple of years. Jaxon is the better of the two in my opinion with respect to where Jordan was at at the same age.

[Hr fan]

no moar WRs pleeze

You don't like the Matt Millen approach? Too bad - vinnie does.

[skinsfan36]

shipley is not a slb,nor is he a tackle,guard,center or qb so pass.lol

[Nomad]

We have 3 O-lineman who wouldn't make any other roster in NFL, starting, plus NO depth. We have a slow-minded QB, Mr. Checkdown, and no quality depth behind him. We have no depth at RB, and Portis has lost a step. We have no depth at DE or LB, and have a DE playing SLB because we have no starting SLB. We could easily draft 2 QBs, 8 O-lineman, 3 DEs, 3-4 LBs, had we that many picks. We just spend 2 #2s on WRs, plus have a young WR with potential drafted in 7th, plus have two high-priced WRs on our roster. In terms of cash and picks, we have made MASSIVE investments at WR.

And you are seriously suggesting drafting a WR?

Are you Vinny's stepson or something?

We are 2-5 playing the worst teams in the NFL, except last game. Last game Campbell almost got killed. It will be a miracle if his season is not ended by a sack-related injury. Teams are going to blitz with a vengence because they know our line sucks. Even if we had a good QB, which we don't, he would no chance with our OL. Clone Jerry Rice in his prime, start him at all 2-4 WR positions, it wouldn't matter. We will very quickly be forced to max protect, neutering vertical game, or let Campbell get murdered. And Portis is in for another year of getting pounded most every time he touches the ball before reaching LOS. Hard yards, every inch of every one.

This years draft should be 1-2 QBs, rest OL, period. Nexty year 3-4 OL should also be drafted.

[Nomad]

Can he play RT?

And Texas guys always seem soft and undeveloped. Pass.

Can he play LT?

[Nomad]

A couple of guys that have really drawn my interest from watching some of the college football games are. ... I would definitely not pick a WR in the early rounds. Marko Mitchell looks like a player...but what a waste Kelly and Thomas have been. What is the problem with kelly...he hardly gets any balls thrown his way ...is he not getting open. At 6'4 227 lbs he should be a great red zone threat ..but he has been invisible.

Mark Ingram RB Alabama. Don't know if he is a senior or junior but he looks like the next coming of Emmit Smith. He runs powerful with a sense of urgency and continually moves the pile forward. I am tiring of Clinton Portis' prima donna ways and feel we need a blue collar workhorse in there who won't complain and just do the job.

Ciron Black T LSU. Really classy kid. Read somewhere on here that he wrote a letter to a sick kid and took him to their bowl game. He is a mountain of a man and would be a day 1 starter as a RT for us in 2010.

With Campbell's ineffectiveness I can see them going for a QB in round one....but I'd rather have them address the OL and RB situation first.
Give Campbell a solid ground game/O -line and I think he can be efficient. I hope Jevan Snead QB Ole Miss is not on their radar as he has looked terrible in games vs. Alabama and South Carolina this year.

I still think if a franchise QB is there, and you don't have one, you take one, that is the golden rule of the draft. Not that identifying that QB is easy, especially with our FO. I would be very happy with a draft that is 1st round QB, and all OL the rest of the way.

But never happen. Vinny will pick a QB, 1-2 OL, a LB, a CB, a RB, etc.

[BurgundyNGold]

Brandon Stokley?

[BigTex]

Ho-hum day today for Shipley against UCF.

11 catches
273 yards
88 yard TD

Just another day at the office.

[Monk81]

I know we can't afford to draft him with all our needs but he would be a great addition. I think he is the next Wes Welker for someone.

[BigTex]

Shipley made himself some money this season. Once he gets drafted it'll give the small town of Burnet two guys in the NFL which will be pretty cool because Burnet was one of my high school's rivals.

[CarMike]

Shipley made himself some money this season. Once he gets drafted it'll give the small town of Burnet two guys in the NFL which will be pretty cool because Burnet was one of my high school's rivals.

Who's the other?

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

he returns punts too does'nt he?if he falls to round 2,i can see the skins doing it.i bet he would'nt fair catch them all like ARE does!

[BigTex]

Who's the other?

The backup QB for Dallas, Stephen McGee.

[The Skinsinator]

Curious to know where Shipley will go in the draft. Dude is tough, good hands, and fast. Would love to get him but we have more pressing needs currently. He won't last past the 3rd round.

[lorimike]

Can he play RT?

And Texas guys always seem soft and undeveloped. Pass.

Like Brian Orapko?

[akhhorus]

Like Brian Orapko?

I wouldn't say that Orakpo is developed or hard. Talk to me when he can beat a good OT and learns how to wrap up in a tackle(something else he struggled with).

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

would'nt it be ironic if shipley fell far enough back for the pats to draft him and replace welker with him?moss,edeleman,and shipley would be a hell of a tough 3 some to stop.

[cal_junior]

would'nt it be ironic if shipley fell far enough back for the pats to draft him and replace welker with him?moss,edeleman,and shipley would be a hell of a tough 3 some to stop.

123 catches last season and you're ready to move on without seeing how he responds to surgery? That's harsh

[akhhorus]

would'nt it be ironic if shipley fell far enough back for the pats to draft him and replace welker with him?moss,edeleman,and shipley would be a hell of a tough 3 some to stop.

Why the hell would the Pats replace Welker? They need another deep threat on that offense, not another possession WR.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

123 catches last season and you're ready to move on without seeing how he responds to surgery? That's harsh

that's not harsh,that's the real world.welker tore an acl and an mcl,with an injury like that,doctors say it takes a year to recover from it.
they say you repair the acl,then wait for the mcl to recover on it's own,and then you have to worry about infections in the knee during recovery.maybe he'll be back in time for the start of the 2010 season,but doctors say it's doubtful.

[akhhorus]

that's not harsh,that's the real world.welker tore an acl and an mcl,with an injury like that,doctors say it takes a year to recover from it.
they say you repair the acl,then wait for the mcl to recover on it's own,and then you have to worry about infections in the knee during recovery.maybe he'll be back before the 2010 season,but doctors say it's doubtful.

They'll still give Welker the time to recover and they have Edelman to replace him already with.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

how old is welker?is he 30 years old yet?

[shally]

123 catches last season and you're ready to move on without seeing how he responds to surgery? That's harsh


Welkers injury was late in the year. he likely wont be nearly ready by camp next year, and he wont be back to usual level for about a year, if he is typical of this injury

edit: exactly as BIGREDSKINFAN posted...

Why the hell would the Pats replace Welker? They need another deep threat on that offense, not another possession WR.

the fall off of Randy Moss in both production and attitude this year is a huge headache for the Pats.. without the constant fear of a deep strike teams felt more comfortable about pressuring Brady and getting in his face.

he was really exposed in the recent loss because the Ravens climbed all over him and dared him to beat them deep. he couldnt..

[fent]

how old is welker?is he 30 years old yet?

he turns 29 in May.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

if he comes back and plays at the same level,it will be a miracle.the pats are'nt the most patient team in the league,when they thought vrabel and seymour were slipping,they got rid of them.he'll have a hard time coming back.