trotter

[eagles20]

just wondering how you all feel about trotter? even your new friend 2000 has to admitt that trotter was a product of the best defensive coordinator in the game, jim johnson. he is over rated and you over paid for him. last season the eagle d did not miss a beat without him, even with fatty in the middle. this season the d has been just as good and its because johnson makes players out of anyone wearing eagle green. have not seen him play that much but when i have he has not looked anywhere near as good as when he was with the eagles. so do you guys feel he was worth all that money? has he played up to expectations?

[rskinsfan10]

The D has been just as good?

[PennSkinsFan]

that is why most Eagles forums i visit, they ask if we can please send Trotter back. Eagle20, get over it.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
The D has been just as good?

careful son, you don't want to challenge me on the eagle d. what has the d done that makes you think it has not been as good?

[eagles20]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
that is why most Eagles forums i visit, they ask if we can please send Trotter back. Eagle20, get over it.

sure they do... because he has done so much with the skins...

[eagles2000]

There is no doubt that Trotter was a perfect fit for Johnson's system and it maximized his abilities. However, I missed him when Jurevicious was running away from Gardner and Bishop in the playoffs.

I think the Eagles would have given Trotter the same contract the skins did. However Simoneau at about $1.5 million is a bargain compared to the $5 million or so that Trotter is getting. Certainly the skins didn't get their monies worth last year with his injury, but he had 11 tackles last week, so he is performing well this year.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by eagles20
careful son, you don't want to challenge me on the eagle d. what has the d done that makes you think it has not been as good?

The fact that you are 1-2 will work for starters. Also, Monte Kiffin would garner alot of votes ahead of johnson in the who's best category. Marvin Lewis' name was regularly mentioned well ahead of Johnson's also. And they both have hardware to prove it in the form of Lombardi trophies in which their respective Ds led their teams to the promise land.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
The fact that you are 1-2 will work for starters. Also, Monte Kiffin would garner alot of votes ahead of johnson in the who's best category. Marvin Lewis' name was regularly mentioned well ahead of Johnson's also. And they both have hardware to prove it in the form of Lombardi trophies in which their respective Ds led their teams to the promise land.

you can lose games with the defense playing great smarty. the offense scored 0 points against the bucs and turned the ball over numerous times against the pats. marvin lewis is a head coach smarty and monte kiffin is a product of dungy, he is not an original like johnson is.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by eagles2000
There is no doubt that Trotter was a perfect fit for Johnson's system and it maximized his abilities. However, I missed him when Jurevicious was running away from Gardner and Bishop in the playoffs.

I think the Eagles would have given Trotter the same contract the skins did. However Simoneau at about $1.5 million is a bargain compared to the $5 million or so that Trotter is getting. Certainly the skins didn't get their monies worth last year with his injury, but he had 11 tackles last week, so he is performing well this year.

first of all "eagles fan" what does bishop have to do with anything. he was terrible, who cares. we are talking mlb here. and second, gardner is a much faster linebacker than trotter, of course he could not do anything with that speed but jurevicious is going to beat any mlb in the league in a speed contest. you think the eagles would have given trotter the same contract? do you know anything about the eagles?? they don't pay the big bucs. thats why they took the franchise tag off him. you just love scratchin bellys don't you?

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by eagles20
you can lose games with the defense playing great smarty. the offense scored 0 points against the bucs and turned the ball over numerous times against the pats. marvin lewis is a head coach smarty and monte kiffin is a product of dungy, he is not an original like johnson is.

And what did Lewis do before he became a HC, "smarty"? Kiffin is a product of Dungy? They are all products of someone, genius. Did Johnson invent defense and how it is played in the NFL? If not, which I know he didn't, then that means he learned his craft from someone else.

[rskinsfan10]

Try again 20. You are clearly here to flame and will not be allowed to do so much longer. If you want to talk football, fine. If you cannot do so without insulting our members, your stay will be short.

I have deleted your last post. I wish not to have to delete anymore. This is not open for debate. Stick to football and not the name calling.

[eagles2000]

They took the tag off him because he looked like he was going to be a malcontent. If they don't like paying the big bucks explain McNabb, Dawkins, Runyan, Thomas, Welbourn. Mayberry, even Fraley, Pinkston. They sign young players to long term deals. Why did Trotter sign for less than the franchise payment? Trotter told the Birds he wanted $35 mil for 5 years. He signed with the Skins for $25 mil for 5 years. You don't think the Birds would have done that? I sure do.

Your act is getting tired 20. I thought that was in honor of Dawkins, but I think it must be your IQ

[eagles20]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
And what did Lewis do before he became a HC, "smarty"? Kiffin is a product of Dungy? They are all products of someone, genius. Did Johnson invent defense and how it is played in the NFL? If not, which I know he didn't, then that means he learned his craft from someone else.

i said johnson is the best defensive coordinato in the league, not the best of all time. lewis is a head coach not a defensive coordinator. did not say that johnson invented anything but he is the only coordinator that runs a defense like his, hence the term-- original!

[eagles20]

Originally posted by eagles2000
They took the tag off him because he looked like he was going to be a malcontent. If they don't like paying the big bucks explain McNabb, Dawkins, Runyan, Thomas, Welbourn. Mayberry, even Fraley, Pinkston. They sign young players to long term deals. Why did Trotter sign for less than the franchise payment? Trotter told the Birds he wanted $35 mil for 5 years. He signed with the Skins for $25 mil for 5 years. You don't think the Birds would have done that? I sure do.

Your act is getting tired 20. I thought that was in honor of Dawkins, but I think it must be your IQ

they did not take the tag off him because they thought he was going to be a malcontent. they took the tag off him because he wanted too much money. go back and READ some articles-- they signed those players because they are in KEY positions for the eagles to win. trotter is not in a key position thats why the d has kept on ticking after he left, which i believe was my original argument in the first place. did you just become a fan or something, you don't seem to know much about the eagles. guess thats why your not on our board.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Try again 20. You are clearly here to flame and will not be allowed to do so much longer. If you want to talk football, fine. If you cannot do so without insulting our members, your stay will be short.

I have deleted your last post. I wish not to have to delete anymore. This is not open for debate. Stick to football and not the name calling.

take your own advice buddy, or are you going to delete this post because i called you buddy? you took the last post off because it made you look bad on your own board. don't get mad because your points don't make sense.

[rskinsfan10]

Who said anything about all-time? Lewis has been a coach for how long now? And I offered Kiffin to dispute your claim that Johnson is the best in the game NOW.

you can lose games with the defense playing great smarty. the offense scored 0 points against the bucs and turned the ball over numerous times against the pats. marvin lewis is a head coach smarty and monte kiffin is a product of

And you can also win games with the D playing great. Were you asleep when the Ravens won the SB? look back at that season and marvel at how their D basically won it all for them.

[eagles2000]

You don't make sense. When you put the tag on Trotter, you agree to pay him a fixed amount (in his case it was $6 million). When you put the tag on you give the player a contract with that amount to sign. Trotter did not sign it. Instead he went back and said I will sign it if you agree not to put the tag on me next year. At that point they pulled the tag. Sorry but I was around then and I remember what happened.

By the way I think the D has gone down the last two years. Last year the big hole was MLB, but how come Johnson didn't fix that. He can only work with the players he has. I don't know how good the D will be this year. So far they have been OK, but other than Simon, the D line hasn't recorded a sack. The LB's have been OK. Shepard was torched for 3 TD's already. Sure Jurevicious made 2 amazing catches to score, but Brown in NE was bad coverage. He also played so loose on Keyshawn that he picked up 8 yards just catching the ball. We have got to get our starters back and then we can see what kind of defense we have. RIght now it is not bad, but not good.

[skinswin'emALL]

Even the best coaches and coordinators need good players. Johnson is a good D coach who HAD good and great D players. He might be in for a long season this year (time will tell).

Tony D is a good D coach, but only this year has Indy's D looked better. Why -- ONE reason is they have better players this year.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Who said anything about all-time? Lewis has been a coach for how long now? And I offered Kiffin to dispute your claim that Johnson is the best in the game NOW.



And you can also win games with the D playing great. Were you asleep when the Ravens won the SB? look back at that season and marvel at how their D basically won it all for them.


now your just making things up. i said all time because you brought up lewis. lewis is NOT a defensive coordinator any more. why don't you bring up buddy ryan for cryin out loud. i know why you brought up kiffin and i told you why johnson is better than him. i can't read the posts for you. you will have to do some work yourself. my original statement was that the eagles d has not missed a beat without trotter! not that they are the ravens d or that they can dominate the way the ravens did. why don't you bring up the 85 bears? that would make sense since you can't seem to put together a reply that has anything to do with the thread! please don't reply unless you have something that actually makes sense.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by skinswin'emALL
Even the best coaches and coordinators need good players. Johnson is a good D coach who HAD good and great D players. He might be in for a long season this year (time will tell).

Tony D is a good D coach, but only this year has Indy's D looked better. Why -- ONE reason is they have better players this year.

"only this year"????? he has been there all of 2 years! can't make pizza out of a can of worms... it takes time!

[eagles20]

Originally posted by eagles2000
You don't make sense. When you put the tag on Trotter, you agree to pay him a fixed amount (in his case it was $6 million). When you put the tag on you give the player a contract with that amount to sign. Trotter did not sign it. Instead he went back and said I will sign it if you agree not to put the tag on me next year. At that point they pulled the tag. Sorry but I was around then and I remember what happened.

By the way I think the D has gone down the last two years. Last year the big hole was MLB, but how come Johnson didn't fix that. He can only work with the players he has. I don't know how good the D will be this year. So far they have been OK, but other than Simon, the D line hasn't recorded a sack. The LB's have been OK. Shepard was torched for 3 TD's already. Sure Jurevicious made 2 amazing catches to score, but Brown in NE was bad coverage. He also played so loose on Keyshawn that he picked up 8 yards just catching the ball. We have got to get our starters back and then we can see what kind of defense we have. RIght now it is not bad, but not good.

go back! do some research! and show me ANY article that says the eagles did not want to sign trotter because they thought he was trouble. then we will talk. until then you know nothing about eagles football.

[CarMike]

nice avatar eagles00

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by eagles20
now your just making things up. i said all time because you brought up lewis. lewis is NOT a defensive coordinator any more. why don't you bring up buddy ryan for cryin out loud. i know why you brought up kiffin and i told you why johnson is better than him. i can't read the posts for you. you will have to do some work yourself. my original statement was that the eagles d has not missed a beat without trotter! not that they are the ravens d or that they can dominate the way the ravens did. why don't you bring up the 85 bears? that would make sense since you can't seem to put together a reply that has anything to do with the thread! please don't reply unless you have something that actually makes sense.

Lewis was just hired as a HC a few months ago. Word is he also has his hands deeply involved with the Bengals D, just as Belicheck has his with the Pats. If it is beyond you to understand the correllation, then please just shut up already. I'm telling you that Kiffin is better, and I told you why. He has a ring, and your boy doesn't. You are the one that can't seem to understand why Lewis was brought into the argument. It was to contradict your ridiculous assessment that Johnson is the best. You can't be serious in trying to deem him the best going on 3 games this year, so that is why Lewis' name was tossed in by myself since he was a DC just last season. Surely, you do recognize that, don't you?

Where was that great Johnson D in the title game last year when the Bucs did what they did to the Eagles? I know where Kiffin's was.

[PennSkinsFan]

Trotter is having an outstanding year. Guy is friggin all over the place. Obvioiusly worth the money

[skinswin'emALL]

Originally posted by eagles20
"only this year"????? he has been there all of 2 years! can't make pizza out of a can of worms... it takes time!

Duh....I said ONE reason was better players because "better players" AND a good coach was my point. A SECOND reason would be time and 2 years is more than 1......oh wait you're;) the math major...

[eagles20]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Lewis was just hired as a HC a few months ago. Word is he also has his hands deeply involved with the Bengals D, just as Belicheck has his with the Pats. If it is beyond you to understand the correllation, then please just shut up already. I'm telling you that Kiffin is better, and I told you why. He has a ring, and your boy doesn't. You are the one that can't seem to understand why Lewis was brought into the argument. It was to contradict your ridiculous assessment that Johnson is the best. You can't be serious in trying to deem him the best going on 3 games this year, so that is why Lewis' name was tossed in by myself since he was a DC just last season. Surely, you do recognize that, don't you?

Where was that great Johnson D in the title game last year when the Bucs did what they did to the Eagles? I know where Kiffin's was.

i know why you said lewis! i know why you said lewis! i know why you said lewis! i know why you said lewis!
how many times do i have to tell you that! my statement was that johnson is the best defensive coordinator in the league, ok are you still with me? i understand that lewis USED to be a defensive coordinator, but now he is a head coach, ok? therefore he can't be considered in the argument as the best DC in the league because he is not in the league as a DC he is in the league as a head coach, ok do you understand that? please take the time to re-read it if you need. AND i know why you said kiffen is better, i understand your argument. if you want to talk about head to head match-ups then go ahead and look at the career records when they face each other. the eagles did beat him 5 straight times (with much less talent) including 3 playoff games- where was your boy then?? you cant base your ridiculous argument on one game.
so just to recap- i know why you said lewis and i understand that he used to be a DC, but my argument is that lewis can't be included because he is a head coach right now. your boy kiffen shows up for one game and all of a sudden he is the best in the game-- especially when dungy built the whole d... if you come back with more stuff about lewis did this with the ravens or pretty much anything else about lewis because i've proven you wrong about why he can't be included in our lopsided argument, then i'm not going to write you back because it will be worthless-- you just don't understand. kiffen is a good argument but johnson is more unique and does more with less.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by skinswin'emALL
Duh....I said ONE reason was better players because "better players" AND a good coach was my point. A SECOND reason would be time and 2 years is more than 1......oh wait you're;) the math major...

trying to read your threads is like trying to read brail with no hands.

[SkinsKY]

I think the more important thing that Rskins was trying to make is that, regardless of titles, Lewis and Belicheck still coordinate their defenses. They may have head coach as their title, but to leave them out of the argument for that reason serves no purpose but to raise Johnson's position on the list.

And about the braille comment...We have a good travck record on this board of having intense football discussions (even with other teams' fans) without going to personal and immature insults like that. I think the mods would back me up on that, but I am not speaking for them. I'd love to have you here as a regular poster, but there is no need for insults.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
I think the more important thing that Rskins was trying to make is that, regardless of titles, Lewis and Belicheck still coordinate their defenses. They may have head coach as their title, but to leave them out of the argument for that reason serves no purpose but to raise Johnson's position on the list.

And about the braille comment...We have a good travck record on this board of having intense football discussions (even with other teams' fans) without going to personal and immature insults like that. I think the mods would back me up on that, but I am not speaking for them. I'd love to have you here as a regular poster, but there is no need for insults.

i UNDERSTAND that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they are both GREAT not good defensive coordinators but they are not soley the teams defensive coordinators if they were they would not have coachs on their team with the title defensive coordinator. Lewis is a head coach right now. would you please read the other posts before you jump into the conversation.

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
I think the more important thing that Rskins was trying to make is that, regardless of titles, Lewis and Belicheck still coordinate their defenses. They may have head coach as their title, but to leave them out of the argument for that reason serves no purpose but to raise Johnson's position on the list.

And about the braille comment...We have a good travck record on this board of having intense football discussions (even with other teams' fans) without going to personal and immature insults like that. I think the mods would back me up on that, but I am not speaking for them. I'd love to have you here as a regular poster, but there is no need for insults.

You are correct and I noticed he didn't respond to the 2nd part of your post. We'll see if he gets your point.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by hail2skins
You are correct and I noticed he didn't respond to the 2nd part of your post. We'll see if he gets your point.

you are correct????? did you read the post?

is lewis a defensive coordinator right now? just answer me that

[hail2skins]

The 2nd part of his post relates to your comments in reference to our members which we take seriously. You just answer that.

[CarMike]

Who the hell are to tell someone how to post? SkinsKy is a solid poster here who brings a helluva lot more to these boards than you do.

Incase you have forgotten, this a Redskins MB. Not a MB for trolls like you. We can jump into any conversation that we damn well please.

SkinsKy made a very good point about why rskinsfan10 said what he said. You're the one who's missing the point.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by hail2skins
The 2nd part of his post relates to your comments in reference to our members which we take seriously. You just answer that.

ok, it was wrong to make fun of his post. just could not understand his mumbo jumbo but i could have been nicer.

now is lewis a defensive coordinator right now?

[eagles20]

Originally posted by CarMike
Who the hell are to tell someone how to post? SkinsKy is a solid poster here who brings a helluva lot more to these boards than you do.

Incase you have forgotten, this a Redskins MB. Not a MB for trolls like you. We can jump into any conversation that we damn well please.

SkinsKy made a very good point about why rskinsfan10 said what he said. You're the one who's missing the point.

really?

is lewis a defensive coordinator right now??

[hail2skins]

I could care less. My point was that you not disrespect our members.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by hail2skins
I could care less. My point was that you not disrespect our members.

its hard not to disrespect people who don't have the ability to comprehend.

maybe you could answer a question for me... why is it that spurrier refuses to put defensive lineman in his defense. i mean thats got to be a major disadvantage... could you please explain this unique strategy to me...

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by eagles20
its hard not to disrespect people who don't have the ability to comprehend.

So you are admitting that you are disrespecting our members?

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by eagles20
its hard not to disrespect people who don't have the ability to comprehend.

maybe you could answer a question for me... why is it that spurrier refuses to put defensive lineman in his defense. i mean thats got to be a major disadvantage... could you please explain this unique strategy to me...

After reading this, I have come to the conclusion that you have no useful purpose to hR. I have warned you once about your pattern of disrespect to our members. You haven't been a member here long enough to get anymore slack from the admins. To say that you disrespect people here because they don't comprehend is not acceptable. It seems that you are the one that cannot comprehend how things work over here. This will serve as your final warning. Either give us a reason to remove that avatar of yours or we will remove you all together. This is not open for debate.

[eagles20]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
After reading this, I have come to the conclusion that you have no useful purpose to hR. I have warned you once about your pattern of disrespect to our members. You haven't been a member here long enough to get anymore slack from the admins. To say that you disrespect people here because they don't comprehend is not acceptable. It seems that you are the one that cannot comprehend how things work over here. This will serve as your final warning. Either give us a reason to remove that avatar of yours or we will remove you all together. This is not open for debate.

thats ok rskinsfan you can erase my thread. we both know what happened, but guess what? you won't be able to erase the lose you guys will get tonight.

[rskinsfan10]

You dumb bastard, I didn't erase your thread. You see, I'm not the only owner here. Whatever you said, it must have been deemed a piece of worthless trash, much like all of your posts here. I hope you enjoyed your stay here at the hR Hotel, but you have stayed past checkout, and it is now time for us to kick your ass out.