The Good, the Bad, the Ugly & the Vent Thread.

[Dolla Bill]

This team sucks....period. They are not a talented team at all. Snyder, this is the team you have after 10 years. Congrats....@#$@!#%.

[tuckahoeskin]

Not as bad as it could've been.

One step to a higher pick in the draft.

Snyderatto looks like losers.

Carlos Rogers needs to be gone. G-O-N-E.

[swheeler]

Team looked completely dysfunctional for a good percentage of the game, but also showed some signs of life that I frankly don't expect any more from the Redskins. My standards have gotten pretty damn low.

[colkurtz]

This could have been MUCH worse. McKnabb stopped playing after they scored 27.

Good- Cooley before he was hurt. Rock was decent at KO. Moss caught a few.

Bad. Blache not anticipating a long ball on a 23 yard 3rd down play. JC is just not a franchise or first String QB.

Ugly. ARE on PR. OL giving up 6 sacks. Rabach for 2-3 bad snaps.

Fire Zorn now so we can officially cal it a rebuilding year. Play the rookies. Search for new players.

[Smiley]

Carlos Rogers is a quitter. Purge this offense.

[akhhorus]

Good: Davis, Thomas
Bad: Defense and special teams
Ugly: Campbell and the Oline

[X-Factor13]

Everything was pretty embarassing. At least Devin Thomas got a td catch. Davis was good catching passes, but not blocking. Campbell had some pretty antsy feet all night, I think in the back of his head he knew that our oline vs eagles blitz meant him in a bodybag. What I think would do him a lot of good is to be in Michael Vick's position, and just learn from a qb with a similar skill set. but enough excuses for anybody, we suck. I just feel bad for us at this point. We really never stood a chance, and everything that could unravel this season has. No more reasons to cross your fingers, because it hasn't worked at all this season (and for the FO it for sure has worked before)

[Fathead]

Fire this team now. Bring in a collection of practice squad guys. At least they'll have an excuse.

[BostonSkins]

Good: Defense looked like they had some pride and minus the major breakdown on the 3rd and 23 they weren't that bad

Bad: only converted 2 third downs

Ugly: Offensive line... Whocooodanode?

[give_portis_the_rock]

Good -- Rock had a nice game, Davis showing signs of life, Thomas making some plays, defence solid other than those two big plays by Jackson

Bad -- Cooley getting hurt, running game is non-existent

Ugly -- 13 points off turnovers for the Eagles

[silverspring]

Good: I can't believe the defense is still playing decent considering the trash this offense gives them

Bad:Cooley injury

Ugly:Campbell and oline both independently suck

Should we have Jeff Garcia on the phone? (i think he is still unsigned?)

[Skinzlover223]

The Good: A Sports reporter asked Jim Zorn what he thought about the fans booing Dan Snyder

The Bad: Our team

Ugly: We still have more games to play.

[Skinzlover223]

Good: I can't believe the defense is still playing decent considering the trash this offense gives them

Bad:Cooley injury

Ugly:Campbell and oline both independently suck

Should we have Jeff Garcia on the phone? (i think he is still unsigned?)

Jeff Garcia would be a good idea!

[Skaggsrules]

Can we just say the OK or Decent and not Good, because it's getting really difficult to find good things, just ok things

[firehawk157]

Jeff Garcia would be a good idea!
That just reminds me of what we in the Air Force referred to the ground guys as... Bullet stoppers. That's what Garcia would be, a bullet stopper.

[bigmike7914]

For this team to move foward Jason Campbell must go, I have never seen a more none competitive QB on any level. Stephon Heyer must go also I don't care if Levi Jones isn't in shape I'll bet he is still better than Heyer.

A small shot of good though was the play of Mike Williams, either that or Heyer's man was getting to the qb faster.......Probably the later.

[Skin-E-Dip]

The Good

A lot was cleared up with the play caller switch. For one, the Redskins minus the turnovers actually seemed like a professional team today. We even had all of our time outs in the last few minutes of each half. Clearly, Zorn hurts and does not help as a play caller. Oh and kuddos to the defense.

The Bad

This game convinced me more than ever that Jason Campbell will always be Jason Campbell, a good fill-in and nothing more.

The Ugly

Our future. We may have won all of the games we are going to win this season. Plus it looks like we are doomed to a high first round QB pick and some poor sap like Tebow or McCoy will get drafted befind this autrocious Oline. Can you say Heath Shuler all over again for the next 5 years.

[colkurtz]

Garcia could give us life and be a good backup next season. Don't thnk he can out-perfrom JC or Collins this year? He'll play.

[firehawk157]

The Good

A lot was cleared up with the play caller switch. For one, the Redskins minus the turnovers actually seemed like a professional team today. We even had all of our time outs in the last few minutes of each half. Clearly, Zorn hurts and does not help as a play caller. Oh and kuddos to the defense.

The Bad

This game convinced me more than ever that Jason Campbell will always be Jason Campbell, a good fill-in and nothing more.

The Ugly

Our future. We may have won all of the games we are going to win this season. Plus it looks like we are doomed to a high first round QB pick and some poor sap like Tebow or McCoy will get drafted befind this autrocious Oline. Can you say Heath Shuler all over again for the next 5 years.
Campbell also held the ball WAY too long. Maybe if you get a decent QB who can get rid of the ball quickly, or at least just not scramble INTO the DT, you might have a different opinion of the OL. But Heyer has proven that he sucks. Bottom line.

[firehawk157]

Garcia could give us life and be a good backup next season. Don't thnk he can out-perfrom JC or Collins this year? He'll play.
Does it really matter? It's like cleaning up the spilled glass of water on the Titanic. You got bigger problems chief.

[silverspring]

Garcia could give us life and be a good backup next season. Don't thnk he can out-perfrom JC or Collins this year? He'll play.

Garcia is mobile and has experience running for his life fearlessly, he could succeed in this offense.

[give_portis_the_rock]

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[Skin-E-Dip]

Campbell also held the ball WAY too long. Maybe if you get a decent QB who can get rid of the ball quickly, or at least just not scramble INTO the DT, you might have a different opinion of the OL. But Heyer has proven that he sucks. Bottom line.

I think we should get a second round QB and pick up Jake Delhomme to compete with Colt Brennan. I dont know what the hell is wrong with him this season but I do like that guy's fire and passion on the field and he will certainly be cut in Carolina. No this isn't a long term solution but we have to build up the Oline first and this team is on a two season improvement plan.

[OCSKINSFAN]

Garcia is mobile and has experience running for his life fearlessly, he could succeed in this offense.

Unlike JC, Garcia is a good fit for this offense. He has also shown he can be a successful NFL QB. JC has not and at this point, I don't think he would even be a good backup. He needed to improve this year, and instead has seriously regressed.

[PhilVan]

The Good- We have some players who did not quit. Fletcher Hanesworth Cartwright and others played with pride

The bad - a few have

The Ugly- Our O-line (If we hada reasonable O-line Cambel would not have the happy feet) We have turned him into Patrick Ramsey

The really bad -Our luck or momentum or what ever you want to call it. We have none. We do a few things well and then when we face adversity we lose all confidence.

[Stretch]

The Good--I have strong alcohol sitting next to me right now.


The Bad--I am almost out


The Ugly--10 years of torment from Danny Boy is turning me into an alcoholic.

[Farmer Ted]

Does it really matter? It's like cleaning up the spilled glass of water on the Titanic. You got bigger problems chief.

I'd say it's like getting out the plunger after you plugged a toilet on the Titanic.

Good: Fred Davis can catch the ball. Mike Williams is not the worst tackle on the team.

Bad: Going for it on 4th and goal.

Ugly: Carlos Rogers is a douche.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Good: Davis showing his pass catching skills, Devin Thomas showing some speed and determination, BMW playing better than I thought he could at RT, the play calling being less predictable, Rocks play on teams and the draw, Andre Carter and the fact that we cant lose next week ;).


Bad: The lack of a running game, The lack of containment on the reverse by Jackson, the coverage on Jackson's long TD, the penalties and the turnovers....not having a starting caliber FS or SLB to solidify the defense.


Ugly: Stephon Heyer's play, Levi Jones looking worse than Heyer(with help) and getting pulled after two plays, Montgomery at RG(no push and poor pass pro), Rabachs snap on 4th and goal, Davis in pass pro, Cooley with a broken ankle, ARE as a punt returner, JC with the deer in the headlight look, his hesitation to make a throw, his slow release, his inability to audible, his inability to make quick decisions, his lack of pocket awareness and his lack of touch on deep balls...the OL sucks but JC's a part of the problem not the solution.

[Jon Creveling]

Garcia is mobile and has experience running for his life fearlessly, he could succeed in this offense.

I don't know if he could realy succeed, but at the very least we could become COMBATIVE!

I don't like the look on Zorns face on the sidelines, the guy does not come off like he G.A.S.!

Rogers, I don't care what Gray and Greg have planted in this guys head, but for C.S. stay with the reciever!

Instead of Joking about it in other posts, I now declare that I firmly believe that standing 5'8'' tall and weighing in at 190lbs that I COULD hold my ground vs HEYER, if not go right through him!:)

N/S guys at 46 years old! LOL, Shit Greg would be proud of me!:)


Mike Williams at 400+lbs, our most active lineman????????? What gives Mr Bugel? That kid Will Mont at RG that kid sucks, 1/2 the time he's not even in the way of someone.

Jason is now officially termed a DEADEND in my book, this kid has me missing GUS for C/S.


Sick of ARE, just sick of watching the guy.

Liked young dude Freds hands nice catches, the drop in endzone was a crummy pass more than a Davis Drop.

I'd never defend Dan in any way, but man if it was my team I'd S-CAN Zorn tonight, he just does not look to me like he cares one way or the other.

[Oregonian]

Good: Carter blasting McNabb in the back; Haynesworth; Fletcher; Suisham hasn't missed a FG yet.

Bad: Heyer in pass pro; another turnover fielding a punt.

Ugly: Campbell's mental game; Cooley going down; Landry getting torched on the reverse and generally being invisible except when he is talking trash.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Good: Davis, Thomas, Carter
Bad: Defense and special teams
Ugly: Campbell and the Oline
Agree with this, with the addition of Andre Carter's play.

Vent: Turnovers absolutely killed us. This team isnt nearly good enough to overcome 4 turnovers; especially 3 that lead to 13 points for the other team. Out of 262 total yards, Philly got 124 of them on two plays. We eliminate those turnovers and we're possibly talking about a win. A team with a semblance of an offense wouldve beat Philly tonight.

[HurricaneSkins]

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Sign him!!!!

[bigcmr]

The good. Some guys havent gave up. Keepers for next year.

The bad. Zorn JC and the oline. all should be gone next year.

The ugly. Vinny still has a job. Will he ever get fired?

[HurricaneSkins]

Agree with this, with the addition of Andre Carter's play.

Vent: Turnovers absolutely killed us. This team isnt nearly good enough to overcome 4 turnovers; especially 3 that lead to 13 points for the other team. Out of 262 total yards, Philly got 124 of them on two plays. We eliminate those turnovers and we're possibly talking about a win. A team with a semblance of an offense wouldve beat Philly tonight.

I said this exact same thing earlier and got reamed for being counterfactual..LOL

[nicefellow31]

Good: Fred Davis catches, a Devin Thomas TD, Rock's return, D line pressure. D Hall made some tackles.
Bad: Cooley's broken ankle, Davis pass protection. BTW, does LaRon Landry still play for the Skins?
Ugly: The O-line (thank you Vinny!), Stephon Heyer's play (God is he awful),
Carlos Rogers (its like he has mentally checked out and is ready to leave), JC (I supported him for a long time but Dan and Vinnie's mind games, lack of a decent O-Line, lack of recievers, and constant change has ruined him. He's finished here. His spirit is crushed. Good luck on your next team.)

[flave1969]

Good: All those mentioned.

Bad: JC is just a waste of time on this team and I feel has been broken by this team, he has zero confidence. Risk aversion is not a good trait for a QB. One day he will play against us and I wager he tears us apart that day.

The O line cannot run block and it will give up 6 sacks each week from here on in. Heyer is not fit to carry Chris Samuels jock. The guy at RG couldn't open a hole in a paper bag and Williams looked good because Heyer was so bad.

Carlos Rogers is a piece of trash and a sorry excuse for a Corner. He was man handled for 15 yards by the Eagles WR on their first TD and he waved through Jackson on the long pass.

Ugly: The long throw by McNabb showed us all how much we lack discipline as a team. 3rd and 23 and 7 men back in coverage, how do you get beat deep, especially when they only sent two deep anyway.

there is nothing in this team that makes me think we will be picking outside the Top 3 next year.

[Brokenstriker]

need starters at ...
RT
RG
C
LG
LT
QB
CB
CB
OLB
WR1
WR3
KO Return
Punt Return
... and most of all QB

need situational players at ...
RB
Nickleback

need quality depth, potential starters at ...
O Line
WR
QB
RB
CB
LB

need a real GM with a real resume with real success in the past
need an experienced HC with at least OC or DC experience with a winning team
need OC and DC with current creative success and proven tendency to tailor scheme for talent and opponent ... ideally with demonstrated mid-game adjustment capabilities (see R. Pettibon)

10 years to destroy ... probably 3 years at least to recover

little quality to trade for picks or young starters
little success in the draft outside of top 15 selection
better players are older or injured (Fletcher ... Cooley ... Portis ... AH)

might take more than 3 years

... change the GM, change the coaching staff and build the O Line first
... let Campbell go after this season
... give Brennen a long look with the 1st team and search for temp FA solution
... find cover CBs ASAP

[dogfight6]

the good- Skins will not lose next week "on the field".
the bad-my Grandsons favorite player is hurt.
the ugly- as always too many to mention

[nicefellow31]

need starters at ...

... change the GM, change the coaching staff and build the O Line first
... let Campbell go after this season
... give Brennen a long look with the 1st team and search for temp FA solution
... find cover CBs ASAP

I've been thinking about where the team needs to start when it comes to rebuilding the team from a players stand point. The O Line has to be where it begins. Try to make do with a stop gap QB next year and concentrate on getting some depth. My fear is that with a possible uncapped year, Danny Boy will go spend happy again and sign mid to late career players with not much long term potential.

[MadDog97]

The Good: Davis made some plays in lieu of Cooley being out.

The bad: The offensive line but more importantly Jason having little faith in his protection.

The ugly: Snyder is still the owner this morning. Also, Davis dropping a TD pass late and not taking the field goal.

The very ugly: This team is officially the national joke of the NFL. Thank Danny.

[Skinzlover223]

Is it possible to sign Jeff Garcia during the bye week. I'm not putting this all on Jason, but is it possible to get "fresh eyes" in the QB spot maybe Garcia can provide a spark that Collins can't, or can we get a young QB in there to provide some competition for Campbell? Maybe the threat of losing his job will get Campbell fired up?

[NamVet4]

The Good: The Iggles are a crap team.. Otherwise this could have been a game with over 50 points on the Iggles side!

The Bad: Nothing in the Redskins "plan" is working.. This team is defeated mentally and the injuries just continue to mount in a futile season.

The Ugly: Who else!?!?! Daniel Snyder, who is so stupid about football, and cares only about the $$$. Danny Boy - sell the team and take your profit and cry, "I tried, but they were all against me!"

[wewantdallas]

Agree with this, with the addition of Andre Carter's play.

Vent: Turnovers absolutely killed us. This team isnt nearly good enough to overcome 4 turnovers; especially 3 that lead to 13 points for the other team. Out of 262 total yards, Philly got 124 of them on two plays. We eliminate those turnovers and we're possibly talking about a win. A team with a semblance of an offense wouldve beat Philly tonight.

I agree completely, Lady.

This is not an elite defense. This is not a GREAT defense. But the CHASM that exists between the offense's ability to produce and the defense's ability is MONUMENTAL. They shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. They do not exist in the same dojo.

Carter played a great game. Haynesworth showed some real heart and played awesome. Poor play by the Eagles helped at times, but I would not characterize the defensive play as anything less than "passable" as a whole. Certainly not terrible.

And you're exactly right: ANY team with ANYTHING approaching an NFL caliber offense last night beats the Eagles.

As for my list:

GOOD: Carter and Haynesworth
BAD: Effort and heart of the team as a whole, particularly on offense
UGLY: Oh, man....Campbell....Randle El's punt fumble .... Rabach's snap into the ether on fourth down ....O-line ... and what about the play call to go for it INSTEAD OF KICKING A FIELD GOAL??? This totally baffled me and continues to. You need three scores. You have a gift field goal staring you in the face. You TAKE IT. You don't go for it when you don't have to!!! Unreal!!! Would it have mattered in the grand scheme of things? Probably not. But the stupidity of that decision is really damning for Zorn.

[MDBluefinCrab]

Nothing new. Same old garbage week in and week out. I hope this made Snyder feel a lot smaller than the little turd actually is.

[dj_stouty]

Good: The Dogfish Head 60-Minute IPAs I was drinking during the game
Bad: Running out of Dogfish Head 60-Minute IPAs in the 3rd quarter
Ugly: Dropping my 4yo off at school this morning and seeing her teacher wearing an Eagles T-shirt

[Brokenstriker]

turn overs ...

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football."
John Heisman

Skins O leads the NFL with 20 fumbles and is 3rd for lost fumbles 8

granted some teams have played only 6 games ... but the next closest in fumbles is 15 (Titans - 7 games). Most for a team with 6 games is 13 (Cards - 6 games)

[Moe]

I think we should get a second round QB and pick up Jake Delhomme to compete with Colt Brennan. I dont know what the hell is wrong with him this season but I do like that guy's fire and passion on the field and he will certainly be cut in Carolina. No this isn't a long term solution but we have to build up the Oline first and this team is on a two season improvement plan.

Insanity. Campbell might not win you any games, but Jacques is actively giving them away. He's immobile, suddenly inaccurate and has thrown more int's in the past 7 games than anyone by a large margin.
It won't matter though, as the Panthers stupidly extended him this offseason so they're stuck with him for at least another year.

[Patrick]

GOOD: Smoak, Joan, and myself making WJLA 7 News ........
BAD: "This" team .....
UGLY: The Game -3rd and 23. .....The Future: The fact it's going to take 3+ years of development to get the team back to respectability AND THAT WILL ONLY begin when the owner "Gets It" .... Looks like another 10 years of frustration.

[Moe]

Good: Davis showing his pass catching skills, Devin Thomas showing some speed and determination, BMW playing better than I thought he could at RT, the play calling being less predictable, Rocks play on teams and the draw, Andre Carter and the fact that we cant lose next week ;).

Agreed. Carter in particular has played three really good games in a row. I think Haynesworth played well last night and in spot duty Wilson made several plays.

Bad: The lack of a running game, The lack of containment on the reverse by Jackson, the coverage on Jackson's long TD, the penalties and the turnovers....not having a starting caliber FS or SLB to solidify the defense.

There were more than a few times that the D seemed to be late in making adjustments. Rogers really needed to beat that block on Jackson's first td and it looked like he and Horton were totally out of synch on that second one.

Ugly: Stephon Heyer's play, Levi Jones looking worse than Heyer(with help) and getting pulled after two plays, Montgomery at RG(no push and poor pass pro), Rabachs snap on 4th and goal, Davis in pass pro, Cooley with a broken ankle, ARE as a punt returner, JC with the deer in the headlight look, his hesitation to make a throw, his slow release, his inability to audible, his inability to make quick decisions, his lack of pocket awareness and his lack of touch on deep balls...the OL sucks but JC's a part of the problem not the solution.

Levi got run over and were it not for Portis Campbell would've been crushed. That being said, Heyer is a total disaster at LT. At RT he isbad to meh, but at LT he's going to get someone hurt. Maybe Jones can get up to speed over the BYE, or maybe Runyan finally gets a call (I saw that Khalif Barnes, who was one of the usual suspects mentioned to bring to DC, gave up a sack strip on his first snap last week...the cupboard is bare at OT apparently).
Campbell has his faults for sure, but I can't picture too many QB's being able to overcome the complete lack of blocking.

[LATrueRedskin]

The Good: Andre Carter & Rock played well, and Devin Thomas & Fred Davis getting some much needed attention in the offense

The Bad: The defense giving up the big plays, Campbell playing scared for much of the first half, turnovers, no running game

The Ugly: Casey Rabach snapping in the shotgun (3 really awful snaps), the entire offensive line, Stephon Heyer at LT was an awful sight

[skinsfan36]

the good-davis,thomas(was open for a 2nd td,other catches),levi jones,carter
the bad-rogers,offensive line
the ugly-campbell,awful coaching,randle smell

[redskin2117]

I'll probably sound a little cheezy here, but I'll say that the good of the game last night was realizing that no matter how horrible we are I by God love the Redskins. I get excited when I see them on the field, and really can't believe how cool it feels to be able to say that I'm a true fan of this team. Even though I despise Snyder, I love this franchise and am, maybe unfortuneately, always going to cheer my arse off for them. I felt like I was wanting them to lose just to give Snyderatto something more to chew on, but screw that. This is my team through thick or thin. Tease me for sipping coolaid or whatever but the Redskins are my team, and, funny thing, I was reminded of that last night as they looked rediculous on national television.

[OCSKINSFAN]

Is it possible to sign Jeff Garcia during the bye week. I'm not putting this all on Jason, but is it possible to get "fresh eyes" in the QB spot maybe Garcia can provide a spark that Collins can't, or can we get a young QB in there to provide some competition for Campbell? Maybe the threat of losing his job will get Campbell fired up?

To have any chance this season to be competitive, I hope management will sign Garcia asap. Whether JC can get fired up is insignificant at this point. He is broken. He has lost his confidence and rather than improving with a 2nd year in the system and with the receivers, another year of experience, and more training with Zorn, he has seriously regressed. He is finished. I guess this was apparent to Denver who picked Orton over him, and to Redskins management who tried to trade him (1 thing they apparently realized correctly).

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Good: play calling looked better than the first 6 games, Thomas & Davis getting production, Carter others getting some pass rush
Bad: execution, defensive breakowns on Jackson's big plays
Ugly: Oline play and Campbell's play. Cooley's injury.
Personally, I felt better after this game than after the KC game. Strangely, I don't know why.

[ObiWan1278]

IF next year our draft doesn't consist of 4-5 OL's we had a bad draft.

[HurricaneSkins]

This is ugly.. Having to deal with friends sending me this. Might need to zoom to read.. UGHHH

[bigmike7914]

Jason Campbell will never be a good QB he is to indecisive with his decision making and hold the ball to long.

[ARParr]

man, this is just depressing the hell out of me. We've all been saying it in one way or another for a while now, but the reality is that virtually EVERYONE in this organization NEEDS TO GO. From top to bottom.

I mean, let's just take a quick look at those who come to mind first. Who needs to go?

- Our owner
- Our "GM" (I know, Cerrato's an insult to the title...)
- Our Head Coach (Nice guy, but he just plain sucks)
- Our High Chancellor of the Offense (or whatever the hell Sherm's title is...)
- Our Defensive Coordinator
- Our starting quarterback (ANOTHER nice guy. Not any good though)
- Our BACKUP quarterbacks
- Our starting running back (i know, debatable...)
- Our wide receiver corps (ALL of them)
- Our ENTIRE offensive (and I do mean "offensive") line
- Our punt returner (You can't catch w/ your facemask)

I'm sure there are many others, but I don't want to think about it anymore.

Who would I keep? Horton, Haynesworth (in the proper position), Fletcher, Landry and Cooley. That's honestly about it.

Like I said at the beginning, this is DEPRESSING...