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rskinsfan10

10-05-2003, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by jsarno
I have to agree Joe...Dockery wins it, but only beause ramsey led us to a SHOT at tieing it up. Otherwise Ramsey would have won it hands down.

Big country Defensive line had no pressure all day, and with that lackof pressure allowed the Eagles to come downand score to put the game out of reach.

What game were you watching if you didn't see pressure all day?

Emmanouel8

10-05-2003, 07:03 PM

D-line never has pressure whats the surprise there? The gameplan is just to contain him anyways. They got more pressure on him then I've seen them give anybody all year, besides McNabb didn't beat us.

Dockery is a rookie. Samuels argghhh.

I have to vote Ramsey though, he stunk up the joint something bad in the 1st 3 qtrs....

BigCountry

10-05-2003, 07:04 PM

That 2 point conversion was painfull to watch.

Spence

10-05-2003, 07:15 PM

I went with Ramsey. He was inaccurate almost all day long and that interception returned by Kalu was atrocious. That was the play of the game right there. Take a sack, punt the ball, let the defense keep them out of the endzone. That was one of the worst passes and worst decisions I've ever seen a quarterback make. That was the game right there.

jsarno

10-05-2003, 07:16 PM

Out of all the other choices, does it matter that D Line is up there? There had to be a 4th pick.

PS- (kenny) the lack of pressure allowed McNabb to win the game for them. They weren't the worst (obviously) but they were in no way good like you imply.
What game were you watching that madeyou think they had good pressure? The two sacks that were a result of coverage? I'llagree they played better, but not enough to say "good".

Emmanouel8

10-05-2003, 07:19 PM

You could have put Rod Gardener or Chad Morton there. They both dropped passes right on the numbers. This is the 2nd week in a row ol' 50/50 has dropped something. Pathetic.

jsarno

10-05-2003, 07:21 PM

That's true...Gardner did stink.

It'snot really Morton's fault. It was slightly behind him but not bad..the biggest key was that the ref was blinding his sight. Tough to catch that. Ramsey should have seen that and held it for another second.

rskinsfan10

10-05-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by jsarno
Out of all the other choices, does it matter that D Line is up there? There had to be a 4th pick.

PS- (kenny) the lack of pressure allowed McNabb to win the game for them. They weren't the worst (obviously) but they were in no way good like you imply.
What game were you watching that madeyou think they had good pressure? The two sacks that were a result of coverage? I'llagree they played better, but not enough to say "good".

Where did I imply that they were good? You are the one that said that they didn't apply pressure all game. You must have missed the three sacks and McNabb being flushed out of the pocket several times.

And just why did there have to be a 4th pick as you say?

Emmanouel8

10-05-2003, 07:26 PM

What about the filthy refs?! That BS call on Arrington?! Horrible! I felt the call on Upshaw was weak too.

Spence

10-05-2003, 07:27 PM

I thought the defensive line played its best game of the year. That doesn't mean they were good because this line is never going to be good rushing the passer. But by the standards they have set for themselves this year, this was their best performance of 2003.

Skaggsrules

10-05-2003, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Emmanouel8
What about the filthy refs?! That BS call on Arrington?! Horrible! I felt the call on Upshaw was weak too.

Yea, That piece of shite call on Arrington, which led to 3 points for Philly, what was the ref thinking, McNabb didn't even take 3 steps back, let alone be in serious pain

Redskinmayhem

10-05-2003, 08:26 PM

I voted "OTHER" and I'll insert Bauman here. who the hell has a clean shot at McNabb and tries a body tackle at the guys ankles? That was the F-up of the game. Even if he gets run over at least he slows him down enough to get help from Lavar

Emmanouel8

10-05-2003, 08:32 PM

If your talking about that 3rd down play you're nuts. Bauman would have bounced 10 yards off him. Mcnabb is around 260 lbs, where else are you going to tackle him? Besides I think the refs blew that call, his knee's were down. Still Bauman LVP for that over everything else?

63redskins

10-05-2003, 08:36 PM

I GOTTA SAY THAT THERE WERE NO "STARS" OUT THERE TODAY,
BUT DOCKERY DOES HAVE TO GET THE KNOD FOR THE "TOO SLOW" LOOK OUT BLOCK ON THOMAS THAT ALLOWED THE DEFENSIVE TOUCHDOWN TO ULTIMATELY LOSE THE GAME. 2 WORDS FOR DOC...........LEG WHIP, OR HOW ABOUT GRABBING SOME JERSEY. HE QUIT ON THAT ONE AND IT WAS HUGE.

Emmanouel8

10-05-2003, 08:39 PM

I don't know 63skins I thought Trotter, Armstead, Hall, Bowen, and Smoot looked outstanding.

Redskinmayhem

10-05-2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Emmanouel8
If your talking about that 3rd down play you're nuts. Bauman would have bounced 10 yards off him. Mcnabb is around 260 lbs, where else are you going to tackle him? Besides I think the refs blew that call, his knee's were down. Still Bauman LVP for that over everything else?

It's all about heart E8. Bauman just had none on that play. he should've hit Mcnabb right in the chest on that play.

hail2skins

10-05-2003, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Redskinmayhem
I voted "OTHER" and I'll insert Bauman here. who the hell has a clean shot at McNabb and tries a body tackle at the guys ankles? That was the F-up of the game. Even if he gets run over at least he slows him down enough to get help from Lavar

Standard tackling procedures for DB's.

jsarno

10-05-2003, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
What game were you watching if you didn't see pressure all day?

Isthis not implying "good"? Maybe I just misinterpreted you. Sorry if that's the case. Just seems you were to me.

Gotta have at least 4 choices since everyone sees the game with different eyes. There is one choice that is "other" at this point, so you never know! ;)

hail2skins

10-05-2003, 09:31 PM

I thought the dline played well today too. Better than I thought they would against Philly.

rskinsfan10

10-05-2003, 09:36 PM

Does 3 sacks and making McNabb scramble multiple times not equate to some type of pressure?

jsarno

10-05-2003, 09:43 PM

I guess it's just a matter of opinion. Ididn't feel they did a good job, especailly when the game was on the line. Maybe that's just sticking in my head more than anything.
With the exeption of the Holsey sack, the other 2 were a result of coverage. There were just too many time McNabb was allowed to sit there in my opinion. When McNabb did leave the pocket, it seemed that it was due to coverage as well, not pressure. (although there were cases that was not correct...while I agree they played better, should we be just OK with the sub par play because it's a little better than the previous week? I just don't think so. It's no big deal, just explaining why it's on the list.)

hail2skins

10-05-2003, 09:48 PM

Well, I wouldn't mind seeing the dline play better and better each week. That's improvement to me and I'll take it.

jsarno

10-05-2003, 10:00 PM

you definitely have a point! :D

roberro

10-06-2003, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by Emmanouel8
What about the filthy refs?! That BS call on Arrington?! Horrible! I felt the call on Upshaw was weak too.
Don't blame it on the Refs. I thought it was a well called game. I have been a Skins Fan since 1963, and believe me, if I think a call was bad I would be the first to be screaming. But, the shot that Upshaw took deserved a penalty! Fair is fair. The fault lies with Spurriur refusing to keep backs in the blocking package on passing plays and exposing Ramsey to the blitzers. Chad Morton as lone blocker?...give me a break! I hate to say I told you so, but I predicted a close, anyone could win, game. What we have to realize is, we can't win the division unless we can beat division teams. This is looking more and more like last season where we can only beat the guys who don't count.

WRSK1NS

10-06-2003, 05:22 AM

There were so many bad performances that it is hard to single out any one for me. The decesion to keep going with the audiable when it clearly wasnt working, the many many many false starts, the little 1 yard wide receiver screens that went for two yards. the dropped balls, the badly thrown balls, having your smallest back in trying to take on two defenders, man we were lucky to be within two points. The only brightspot I thought was the play of the Defense especailly the D-line. They looked as if they came to play, I am not sure if the rest of the team ever really got off the bus. I am going with other on this one!

Hailyeah

10-06-2003, 10:14 AM

The D line played OK. Certainly not the weak spot yesterday although uneducated Collinsworth pontificated about it early in the game. My vote here was for Samuels. I hate Chris Samuels. Absolutely think he has no heart at all. Yes, Dockery's debauchery probably did overtake even #60s, but this guy is supposed to be a Pro Bowl bookend tackle. He gets paid like $10MM to play to commit this volume of false starts and holds over the first 5 games? One of the most overrated players in the league. Would love to dump him in the offseason if his bonus hit didn't destroy our cap.

Emmanouel8

10-06-2003, 10:41 AM

I think his contract is up pretty soon (2 yrs) anyway. It might be worth it to cut him if he keeps this up.

RedskinRyan

10-06-2003, 11:13 AM

yeah, i think that the refs should have had their own option. it was the call on arrington that cost us the game. take 3 points off the eagles and the score was 25-24 redskins victory. but the dline at critical points gave mcnabb the time to complete passes.

AGibbsGirl

10-06-2003, 11:18 AM

Ramsey: looked awful, he seemed to be spazzing out there all day, but he will calm down as he matures.

Dockery: First game back so I'll let him have a few games before I start picking on him

Def Line: Looked OK, but for crying out loud their DL was killing our QB trying to take him out while we were tip toeing around McNabb

Samuels get my pick: GET A HEARING AID, or a muscle relaxer and quit flinching you idiot!

Emmanouel8

10-06-2003, 11:22 AM

You know the thing about Samuels that irks me the most is his post-game interviews. He always says 'we,' when everybody else says 'I,' and this is the guy that's good for 2 false starts/ game and a hold.

NamVet4

10-06-2003, 11:35 AM

I chose option 4 - other.
Who?
The coaching staff failed miserably to pickup on the fact that Ramsey was hurting, physically and mentally, and make a major adjustment in the 1st quarter.

Emmanouel8

10-06-2003, 11:46 AM

Geez Nam your brutal, you expect major adustments before they get on the field less than three times.

They made good half-time adjustments and had momentum until a flurry of penalties ensued.

skinswin'emALL

10-06-2003, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by Spence
I thought the defensive line played its best game of the year. That doesn't mean they were good because this line is never going to be good rushing the passer. But by the standards they have set for themselves this year, this was their best performance of 2003.

I aggree -- the best way to play McNabb is a controled rush and the Skins did that. McNabb was forced to be a pocket passer and looked average at best. He's best at making play we his feet and he wasn't ble to do that.

Eagles D and Skins poor play on Offence was the diffeance this week.

Gotta love has this YOUNG team never gives up!

NamVet4

10-06-2003, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Emmanouel8
Geez Nam your brutal, you expect major adustments before they get on the field less than three times.

They made good half-time adjustments and had momentum until a flurry of penalties ensued.

You're damn right Emmanouel8 !
Spurrier was paid BIG BUCK$ to come in and coach. He has had experience with young QB's - college level - and Patrick is only 2 years removed. I give props to Spurrier when he corrects, in the manner of the great Joe Gibbs, but not this week. Somebody was not watching Ramsey's performance. This was another week of blitzes and another week of Patrick getting pressured.
Most knowledgeable posters on the board agreed that the Redskins would get blitzed and one solution was change the game plan; another was put someone in the backfield to pick up the blitz. This was the 2nd conference game of a young season, unfortunate that it came early, but you have got to win the games in your conference You don't need additional pressure on a young team that is desperately trying to come together.
And add to that more dumb penalties!!!!!!

Sorry about the rant, but I had to say it. Now that I have said it I will temper my remarks and allow that this is the 2nd year for Coach Spurrier, I am impressed that he has learned from his rookie year mistakes, in some form, and try to cut him some slack. But, when your QB is taking a beating, especially one who is a key to making the offense click and winning the game, you have got to react. Good Coaches, with experienced QB's, can have the luxury of letting that QB play through the problems. Not in this case.

I'M STILL PISSED

JoeDaSchmoe

10-06-2003, 05:59 PM

You're right, NamVet. He's made some nice halftime adjustments before, I don't see why he didn't do anything to relieve the pressure this week.

Death_Venom

10-07-2003, 12:45 AM

What in the WORLD????

Ramsey? Give me a FREAKING BREAK!!!!!!

WOW!!!!!!

This kid plays his BUTT OFF every game-........ANd makes GREAT PLAYS and brought us very CLOSE TO TYING UP THE GAME!!!!

All thos who voted for Ramsey need to have your heads checked for concussions........This kid played what-6 games last season???

Essentially he is a ROOKIE!!! Stop trying to toss more dirt on this kid who is WELL BEYOND THE LEARNING CURVE for ANY-let me REPEAT ANY---OFFENSE......

Yeah i was seriously PISSED we lost that game-........But i KNEW would lose about 5min. into the 2nd Quarter-. Hell-i almost QUIT WATCHING-..........BUT that kid Ramsey went out there and STILL MADE SOME very good PLAYS-........Even with all of Dockery's FREAKING SCREW UP'S!!!!!!!

As i said-i was very very pissed we lost that game-but i was even more pissed to see a bunch ppl trying to shovel blame onto a QB that is basically a Rookie........And is playing like a 2 yr. QB (and trust me 2yr QB's rarely play as well as Ramsey-.......)

Ramsey will make mistakes-and yes we (the FANS) will have to accept that mistakes are part of the learning process....and Ramsey is doing d*mn good at learning the Steve Spurrier Offense aka Fun'N'Gun.......

roberro

10-07-2003, 01:22 AM

Death_venom (whatever that means); Huh??? I don't remember anyone blaming Ramsey for last Sunday. We blamed the offensive line for the bonehead penalities, and the coaches for the lousey calls. We all know (I hope we all know) that ,"J. Patrick", as the "Old Ball Coach" calls him, is essentially a rookie and has all the makings of a great QB in the NFL. I also agree with Nam Vet that Spurrior has learned a lot after his first year and seems to be making better decisions on game strategy this year. I don't agree with throwing the ball 50 times when the passes weren't working, but, this is the first game he seems to have slipped back into his old habits. I say, give SS and Ramsey a chance, and, for God's sake do something about the false starts and we will have a decent chance this year. 2004 IS the year.

jsarno

10-07-2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by AGibbsGirl

Samuels get my pick: GET A HEARING AID, or a muscle relaxer and quit flinching you idiot!

That about sums it up on Samuels huh? :lol1:

I gotta agree with emmanuel8 yet again. I don't want Samuels taking up cap space playing like this. We payed for a probowler, not this lump that is causing numerous sacks and penalties. Why pay a premium price for that?
I'm a little disappointed in Jansen as well. But Samuels is stinking too much to overlook game in and game out.

jsarno

10-07-2003, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Death_Venom
What in the WORLD????

Ramsey? Give me a FREAKING BREAK!!!!!!

WOW!!!!!!

This kid plays his BUTT OFF every game-........ANd makes GREAT PLAYS and brought us very CLOSE TO TYING UP THE GAME!!!!

All thos who voted for Ramsey need to have your heads checked for concussions........This kid played what-6 games last season???

Essentially he is a ROOKIE!!! Stop trying to toss more dirt on this kid who is WELL BEYOND THE LEARNING CURVE for ANY-let me REPEAT ANY---OFFENSE......

Ramsey deserves to be on this list. Did you not watch the game and countless balls that sailed over the heads of would be targets? Rookies should make mistakes picking up blitzes, or reading coverages. NOT, I REPEAT, NOT overthrowing wide open targets. Say he's a rookie all you want, he's been throwing a football all his life, and you don't over throw easy targets even as a high school player. That is NOT A ROOKIE MISTAKE, and can't be blamed on being a "rookie".
Thank him for getting us back in the game...sure. But don't forget his audibles on every damn play, and missing targets all day got us in the situation of being behind. He helped dig the hole, it's only fitting he helped try to get us out. (also fitting he missed a WIDE OPEN coles for the 2pt conversion since he was missing soooo many targets all day) So like him all you want...no oneis saying "he sucks", but he deserves to be on the "LVP" list from last weeks game.

Emmanouel8

10-07-2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Death_Venom
What in the WORLD????

Ramsey? Give me a FREAKING BREAK!!!!!!

WOW!!!!!!

Dude take a chill pill.

We all know Ramsey is young and deserves credit for playing as well as he has but he played like poo sunday. I'm sorry if you think picking him in this poll will hurt his feelings and halt his progress, but some of us call it like we see it.

jsarno

10-07-2003, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Emmanouel8
poo

hehehe, what a great word!

Green-Is-Good

10-07-2003, 03:49 PM

DOCKERY

Redbeard

10-07-2003, 04:59 PM

OTHER - the WRs as a whole
Against 3 backups they disappeared. Coles: 5 rec, and tipped a perfect pass for an interception (a first & a bad game for him). Gardner: 3 rec and 3 drops and a penalty (what the #$ with the penalties??). McCants: 4 catches and dropped a perfect pass (besides that almost a good game)

As a staunch defender of the D...
Folks the D held Philly to 13 points (the offense gave up 14??) & scored 7 points?? Quite frankly - the D completely rules & it's utterly bogas that the D is even a choice.

Death_Venom

10-07-2003, 11:51 PM

um-who gives a RAT's ANUS what my name means??? That is another topic for a different forum........

Moving right along........Overthrown passes? Yeah I saw them-and i saw an offensive line failing to slow the blitzes & pass rushes......Bad throws??? Guys we are paying good money to these so-called recievers who are PAID to make the BIG PLAYS yet seem to drop damn near every pass coming their way......

I dont care at all about Ramsey's so called ego-because i dont think Ramsey has an ego problem....And i also think he is tuff enuff mentally to overcome this loss and lead us to some victories-......

And yeah i think the audibles should have been left out of that game after the 1st few plays......I was pissed-still pissed........But i this Ramsey needs to be cut ALOT MORE SLACK.........