Over/Under: How many TDs does Drew Brees throw against our "#4 ranked defense"?

[CarMike]

The line will 3

Vote and explain.

[CarMike]

I say over 3. He'll throw for 5 TDs next weekend.

[cal_junior]

Tough question to answer without knowing whether Nos. 92 and 23 will be in the lineup.

And you poll should probably include a '3' option. The way it's worded right now you've got 1 or 2 as one option and 4 or more as another option.

Or just set the line at 3 1/2

[BraveHeartFan]

That particular match up has nightmare written all over it for the Skins.

Of course that is likely the one where they'll play the best, cause they're not supposed to, and will shut Brees and the Saints down.

[CarMike]

Tough question to answer without knowing whether Nos. 92 and 23 will be in the lineup.

And you poll should probably include a '3' option. The way it's worded right now you've got 1 or 2 as one option and 4 or more as another option.

Or just set the line at 3 1/2

3 usually goes with the >>>

Better?

[sinskin]

under

Drew, even though they are undefeated, hasn't had the year he had last year. (still good though)

They run a bit more now and their defense, although not top 5 imo, SCORES POINTS.

side note: Wonder what a Greg Williams defense would be like with our players. I'll venture to say a tad better lol

[cal_junior]

3 usually goes with the >>>

Better?

Yup. I'm going with under.

[Biggie]

Let's put it this way: I'll be starting him next week.

[Fathead]

I'll take the Over to the bank.

[LATrueRedskin]

Let's put it this way: I'll be starting him next week.

As will I. He'll have a big day. He won't throw any picks, that's for sure.

[Fathead]

Brees should eat these guys alive. No pressure on Brees=Huge day.

[dj_stouty]

Technically the line should be 2.5.

But I'll take the OVER for a few reasons:

1. I think the Pats are going to beat up on them in their own home tonight and they will be out for blood next weekend.

2. Believe it or not; Brees has only thrown for 3 or more TDs four times in 11 games this season. 2 of those games have been against NFC East teams (PHL and NYG)...and they whooped up on both of them.. Looks like they try and negate the physical nature of NFC East teams by throwing the ball early and often. I see this happening again, especially if Fat Albert is back to stop the run and the Redskins' d-backs are still ailing.

3. The Saints have too many weapons for Blatche and this defense to think about. Brees will air it out early...and once the Redskins get obsessed with stopping the downfield passing, Brees will start throwing screen passes to his quick running backs. We all know how poor this defense is when a quick guy has the ball in open space.

This one will be ugly...

[GreenspanDan]

i really liked blache's scheme last sunday of identifying the other team's most explosive WR and making sure nobody stands anywhere within 20 yards of him all day. if desean jackson hadn't gotten hurt, i think it really would have worked in the end.

[silverspring]

Tough question to answer without knowing whether Nos. 92 and 23 will be in the lineup.


This is the big question in my mind. If hall isn't back we are in trouble. Rogers just isn't that great of a cornerback and if Barnes and Tryon are going to be getting a great deal of playing time then we are in trouble.

[Redskinmayhem]

i really liked blache's scheme last sunday of identifying the other team's most explosive WR and making sure nobody stands anywhere within 20 yards of him all day. if desean jackson hadn't gotten hurt, i think it really would have worked in the end.

Blache is a defensive genius!! lol

[dogfight6]

With Hall and Haynsworth 3, without them 5-6.

[Redskinmayhem]

I think we'll play well but denying Brees more than 3-4 td's will be very difficult, especially w/ Smoot in/out of the lineup w/ his phantom chest injuries.

[paparora]

Would I be crazy if I claimed that Jason Campbell will have a better day than Drew Brees, and that we would be the first team to hand them a loss this season?

Let me break this down for you nerds:
A) Drew Brees will throw for 2-3 TD's
B) Jason Campbell will throw for 3-4 TD's
C) Redskins will beat the Saints 31-28
D) Saints will beat the New England Patriots tonight

[Fathead]

You'd be certifiable.

[sinskin]

[QUOTE=paparora;1276777]Would I be crazy if I claimed that Jason Campbell will have a better day than Drew Brees, and that we would be the first team to hand them a loss this season?

Let me break this down for you nerds:
A) Drew Brees will throw for 2-3 TD's
B) Jason Campbell will throw for 3-4 TD's
C) Redskins will beat the Saints 31-28
D) Saints will beat the New England Patriots tonight
E) The Redskins make the playoffs when i get off this Crack Pipe.


Fixed for ya!

[akhhorus]

Only 1, the Saints will be too busy rushing for touchdowns against the 25th rated Redskins rushing defense.

[CNYSkinFan]

Would I be crazy if I claimed that Jason Campbell will have a better day than Drew Brees, and that we would be the first team to hand them a loss this season?

Let me break this down for you nerds:
A) Drew Brees will throw for 2-3 TD's
B) Jason Campbell will throw for 3-4 TD's
C) Redskins will beat the Saints 31-28
D) Saints will beat the New England Patriots tonight
I thought you were JC's mom but even she does not hold these dellusions

[paparora]

[I don’t want to beat this shotgun-spread drum too hard, but it looks like the 49ers coaches are coming around.

Apparently, the Niners’ players went to the coaches and told them they want to run the spread more leading up to yesterday’s win over the Jaguars. Jimmy Raye and Mike Singletary listened.

They used the spread when the game was close for the first time all season. Before yesterday, the formation was only used in passing situations or when they were down a ton of points.

Yesterday, 41 of the Niners’ 61 offensive plays came out of the shotgun. They ran the shotgun-spread formation 34 times. And the team won, 20-3.

"I would say right now I think we have more playmakers in the passing game," Singletary said, per the San Francisco Chronicle. "We have a lot of playmakers we can throw the ball to. ... The best thing that happened this week is I saw leadership on the offensive side of the ball. 'Coach, this is what I think would work. Can we do more spread? Can we put it on us, the receivers?' Not that we're going to lose our minds and throw on every down. To me, that's leadership."

So Singletary is finally relenting on his power running game philosophy. Be aware.

Source: pft.com

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Thats coaching! Playing to your player/teams strength, and not whatever the fuck Zorn/Blache do.

[paparora]

I thought you were JC's mom but even she does not hold these dellusions

JC's mom? cmon man...im just a papoose.

[Fathead]

Only 1, the Saints will be too busy rushing for touchdowns against the 25th rated Redskins rushing defense.

Come on now, you know Brees is aching to throw bombs against this secondary that gives them up like its going out of style.

[paparora]

Come on now, you know Brees is aching to throw bombs against this secondary that gives them up like its going out of style.

Dawg I dont know if youve ever paid attention to this, but you are a Fathead Ghost Dancer LOL

[CarMike]

JC's mom? cmon man...im just a papoose.

Welcome to hR paparora. :)

[akhhorus]

Come on now, you know Brees is aching to throw bombs against this secondary that gives them up like its going out of style.

Golf is suddenly sounding better and better for sunday.

[Goskins11]

i say he puts up 4 td's. the saints d will cause turnovers and the saints will have a short field all day.

[Fathead]

Golf is suddenly sounding better and better for sunday.



If Kyle Orton could throw bombs against our secondary, Drew Brees may put 70 on the board.

[NamVet4]

Brees will toss four (4) TD throws! No problem. (Colston, Shockey and two rb's)
The Saints will also account for two (2) running TD's.

Of course this assumes Brees plays the entire game..If the Saints get up early he may get a rest in the 4th quarter. Then you can subtract one (1) passing TD.

[WackyJacky]

If you'd put the over/under at 5, I would have had to take a moment to think about it (although I'd still pick "over.")

[paparora]

Welcome to hR paparora. :)

Thanks CarMike. This place is definitely a lot more fun than extremeskins. That place is forums on roids.

[cal_junior]

Let's put it this way: I'll be starting him next week.

Unless you also have Brady or Rogers on your team, this isn't really saying much. Nobody would ever bench Brees.

[paparora]

Imagine if someone drafted both Brady and Brees in the two rounds, and then realized you couldnt start a QB for a RB. Well guess what, this is what happened in Vinny Cerato's fantasy football team.

[Gravy]

...I actually forgot about The Skins playing the Saints...this could be nasty...or maybe not. I could easily see the same results as the Patriot game a couple of years ago...or it could be like the last 2 times the Skins played them and won. Anywho, I think Brees could land 3 TDs

[BurgundyNGold]

Over (3)

Kevin Barnes may be starting. 'Nuff said.

[BurgundyNGold]

Would I be crazy if I claimed that Jason Campbell will have a better day than Drew Brees, and that we would be the first team to hand them a loss this season?

Let me break this down for you nerds:
A) Drew Brees will throw for 2-3 TD's
B) Jason Campbell will throw for 3-4 TD's
C) Redskins will beat the Saints 31-28
D) Saints will beat the New England Patriots tonight
Man, I hope you're in the Eastern time zone doing that kind of drinking so early.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Under. We will give up a few big plays to Brees but our pass D has been solid.

[esmith1790]

Golf is suddenly sounding better and better for sunday.

If you are short like me 5'7 i bet u can get a good deal on the new set of clubs Tiger Wood's wife will be promoting very soon.

the BeatUR_ASS1000 model. LOL

[HAWGZHEAD]

He'll throw 4 and then they'll run for 2 more. I'll take the over

[HAWGZHEAD]

Man, I hope you're in the Eastern time zone doing that kind of drinking so early.
Maybe 3-4 INT's. Saints are second in the league with 20 picks this season.

[CarMike]

Under. We will give up a few big plays to Brees but our pass D has been solid.

Please...PLEASE tell me you're joking and I missed the [/sarcasm] in your post. lol

[CarMike]

Brees has already lit up the Pats for 300+ yards and 4 TDs in a half and one drive in the 3rd quarter. lmao

He's going to kill the Redskins next Sunday. lmao

[Gravy]

Brees has already lit up the Pats for 300+ yards and 4 TDs in a half and one drive in the 3rd quarter. lmao

He's going to kill the Redskins next Sunday. lmao

Make that 5 TDs...CRAP! Slaughter looms!

[akhhorus]

Another good question will be what the line is going to be on the skins/saints game? I'm guessing 19.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Brees has already lit up the Pats for 300+ yards and 4 TDs in a half and one drive in the 3rd quarter. lmao

He's going to kill the Redskins next Sunday. lmao

If Brees is healthy, he'll throw 5. If he plays with the H1N1, he'll still throw 3.

[GreenspanDan]

jesus brees is KILLING the patriots.

all common sense says the skins will lose by about 55 points. this is generally where the skins pull out a stupid win.

[shally]

catching him at the right time...

[shally]

anybody else still want a CARETAKER starting qb ??

[redskinz#1fan]

Another good question will be what the line is going to be on the skins/saints game? I'm guessing 19.

It won't be over 11...Currently it is set at 9.5

like I said it won't go up anymore then 2 points. If Haynesworth and D Hall play, it will stay roughly around where it is now. The odds makers think very highly of the Skins D.

[NCskinsfanatic]

It won't be over 11...Currently it is set at 9.5

like I said it won't go up anymore then 2 points. If Haynesworth and D Hall play, it will stay roughly around where it is now. The odds makers think very highly of the Skins D.

But why...oh thats right the number 4 statistical ranking lmao. I guess when all you know is numbers then you can think highly of them, however most of us realize if it's the 4th quater and the other team has the ball and needs a score, then they will most assuredly get one.

I think Brees throws for 3 TD's, and the saints get another one or two from the run game and/or special teams. They'll probably beat us somewhere in the neighborhood of 38-17, 35-16, 30-13, etc.

[Grant]

Hopefully we can get haynesworth in for a play,and have him fall on brees and take him out of the game.

If we can hurt brees,we have a shot.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Please...PLEASE tell me you're joking and I missed the [/sarcasm] in your post. lol
Besides the one or two blown coverages we seem to have every game our pass D has played up to their talent this season. Besides, I'm an optimist.

[WarEagle]

I think the Skins D is better than that thing the Pats put out there on MNF. Look for Drew to get rattled early and the Skins keeping it closer than you think. After the past few weeks, our guys are just gonna play Mad.

[CarMike]

Hopefully we can get haynesworth in for a play,and have him fall on brees and take him out of the game.

If we can hurt brees,we have a shot.

Come on man. I never hope for injuries. If we can't beat the Saints with them at full strength, I don't want a player hurt to help out chances.

The better team will win next Sunday. And there's little doubt who the better team is from top to bottom.

[shane88]

After watching that "Surgery" that Brees performed last night, I'm going to say he will definitely be OVER 3.....in the FIRST QUARTER!!!

What an offense!!! Most teams have a couple of solid playmakers that you can(well, not Greg Blache) gameplan for, but just who the hell do you try to take away?!?! I know we're all enamored with Brees and that passing attack, but they can run the ball extremely well too, so ya can't just try to shut down the QB.
Props to GW for his defensive calls, especially missing all those DBs and playing 2 guys who hadn't played since last season. GW will probably fry to a crisp what little of JC's brains aren't already scrambled.

This might be a game where you just wave the white flag at the coin-toss!! lol
I'm sure I'll laugh maniacally from time at our bonehead plays, execution, coaches...I'll cheer for every first down and scream ecstatically for ANY points scored, because this is what this organization has reduced me to, and I will hope beyond hope that Napoleon watches closely to see what a REAL NFL football team looks like and maybe he will wake up....-sigh-

[wewantdallas]

I think the game will be closer than a lot of people here seem to think. Our defense is going to do its usual "play to prevent the big play" thing, and hopefully Haynesworth will be back to help get some pressure on Brees.

We'll get eaten alive with the short - medium range passes, and there will be a big play or two from the Saints, but this defense will at least slow the Saints down for the first three quarters, provided Haynesworth is in there and we can stop the run. We'll tank in the fourth as usual, but I don't think that will give Brees enough time to rack up 5 TDs.

That, plus I think the Saints will be overlooking us after a big, emotional win last night. This is a classic trap game for them.

I predict a fairly close game until midway through the fourth when the Saints wake up and the defense does its usual "fourth quarter losers" dance: Final: 27-17.

I also predict at least one sideline shot of a smiling Gregg Williams as his defense tsunamis (yes, I just made that a verb) our o-line all day.

[cal_junior]

After watching that "Surgery" that Brees performed last night, I'm going to say he will definitely be OVER 3.....in the FIRST QUARTER!!!

The difference is that the Saints won't be at home and won't be facing a super-mediocre defense. This isn't your father's New England Patriots.

If 92 and 23 play the Skins will hang around for awhile.

[CarMike]

You guys keep over looking this Saints team. They are still playing for something. They will not overlook the Redskins. That's what teams like the Redskins do. The Saints are still in a race for home field advantage throughout the playoffs. There's no way they over look us. And if they do, they'll still beat us by 3 TDs easily.

I wish I had as much confidence in our defense as some you guys. But I just don't see it happening.

The Saints are nasty in all three phases of the game. Plus, their coaches are way to much for our coaches.

[Fathead]

What? Do you people even watch these games? Our defense sucks. Our offense is terrible. The Saints just dismantled a Pats team that outplayed Indy in Indy. Gregg Williams is gonna send so many guys after Jason that he may just give up a few extra men on the field penalties just to embarrass the Redskins. Drew Brees is going to light up our idiotic corners for TD after TD. Kyle Orton could beat us deep, and you think Drew Brees can't?



Not only are the Skins going to lose, they are going to get shown for what they are: A bunch of no heart bums.

[shally]

What? Do you people even watch these games? Our defense sucks. Our offense is terrible. The Saints just dismantled a Pats team that outplayed Indy in Indy. Gregg Williams is gonna send so many guys after Jason that he may just give up a few extra men on the field penalties just to embarrass the Redskins. Drew Brees is going to light up our idiotic corners for TD after TD. Kyle Orton could beat us deep, and you think Drew Brees can't?

good.. the decisions the front office has made for the past years are coming home to roost

Williams should land a HC spot after this year.. makes you wonder how things would have gone had Snyder picked williams..could not be any worse, that is for sure...

[cal_junior]

Williams should land a HC spot after this year.. makes you wonder how things would have gone had Snyder picked williams..could not be any worse, that is for sure...

And my guess is he'll me mediocre to bad. Gregggggg strikes me as a great coordinator who doesn't have what it takes to be HC.

[Fathead]

Kyle Orton was beating us deep. KYLE ORTON!




Drew Brees is on another planet right now. The only reason the skins don't lose by 70 is that Sean Payton isn't going to want to let his team think its too easy.

[cal_junior]

This thread title is wrong. The Skins defense is ranked 7th in the NFL.

[CarMike]

What? Do you people even watch these games? Our defense sucks. Our offense is terrible. The Saints just dismantled a Pats team that outplayed Indy in Indy. Gregg Williams is gonna send so many guys after Jason that he may just give up a few extra men on the field penalties just to embarrass the Redskins. Drew Brees is going to light up our idiotic corners for TD after TD. Kyle Orton could beat us deep, and you think Drew Brees can't?



Not only are the Skins going to lose, they are going to get shown for what they are: A bunch of no heart bums.

Kyle Orton was beating us deep. KYLE ORTON!




Drew Brees is on another planet right now. The only reason the skins don't lose by 70 is that Sean Payton isn't going to want to let his team think its too easy.

+1

[CarMike]

This thread title is wrong. The Skins defense is ranked 7th in the NFL.

:smash:

Does it really matter?!? If you're trying to push my buttons, it's working.

[Brokenstriker]

well I think its obvious ... our CBs aren't good ... our safeties are weak in coverage ... our LBs can't cover decent TEs ... our D Line can bring pressure but Brees will still have 3+ seconds as a rule and he uses his time better than any QB we've seen this season ... our best hope is to play the safeties very deep and try to make them use multiple plays to score but since they have a strong short passing game as well as decent running game all this will do is slow them down

... considering a slow pace I think 4 - 5 TD passes is about right.

Probably the only risk to over 3 for Brees is the Saints D who could keep the Saints O off the field by scoring once or twice by themselves

[shally]

This is the big question in my mind. If hall isn't back we are in trouble. Rogers just isn't that great of a cornerback and if Barnes and Tryon are going to be getting a great deal of playing time then we are in trouble.

look what Williams did last night with BOTH of his top corners out and with only 1 week to prepare for one of the best QB's in the league..McKenzie and McAlister were taken off the trash heap and could have been picked up by any team before that. Moss had ?? 2 catches and wasnt a factor all game.. Welker got ZERO after the catch all game. their most effective receiver was Aiken, the number 3 guy because Williams took most everything else away..

[Fathead]

They could play our Safeties on the goal line every play, it won't matter because Landry will try to put himself on Sportscenter and will miss so badly that the Saints score every time.

[shally]

by the way

Devery Henderson was a bust of a second rounder before this year

Meachem missed his entire first year with a knee surgery and was nearing bust before this year..

Colston was a 7th round pick

Brees makes those guys look like all pros because he is so accurate and trusts them to get the ball. i guarantee you that if you put Mitchell, Kelly and Thomas on the Saints they are terrorizing the league this year..THAT is what a superior QB will do for you..

By the way, their offensive line is ONE first rounder and 4 no names and second day picks..starters are where you find them and develop them

[Fathead]

The saints have a competent coaching staff.

[wewantdallas]

Kyle Orton was beating us deep. KYLE ORTON!

People keep saying how "Kyle Orton" beat us on those deep plays. No, Kyle Orton did NOT beat us ... the RECEIVERS beat us. Did you see how open they were on those huge plays? If anything, Horton got us off the hook by MISSING another wide open receiver for what would've been a third big TD. Any moron off the street with decent arm strength could've made those throws. CHRIS SIMMS could've made those throws, that's how open those guys were.

This is veering off topic a little, I know, but I just get tired of hearing what "Kyle Orton" did when the receivers were open by 15 yards or more. It had nothing to do with Orton.

So, to veer back on topic, to say Brees will torch us deep because Orton torched us deep is not accurate. If we cover the way we covered against the Broncos early, and the way we covered at times vs. Philly, ANYONE will beat us deep.

[sinskin]

I take everything I said back in this thread and will now say......

I'm with AKH on this one and Golf may be the solution for Sunday.


It will be a drumming of Everything Thats Holy in Redskin Nation. GW will want to bring the kitchen sink at JC.

[shally]

The saints have a competent coaching staff.

+1..Payton has shown he has what it takes from the very beginning.. except for one year under Fassel, he has been a superior coach EVERY year..

How lucky are we that Jerry Jones couldnt lure him to Dallas ? after Payton's second year in New Orleans, i had read that jones was willing to part with a king's ransom to make Payton his HC.. that would be too ugly to contemplate.

also, Payton gave back some of his salary to Benson to sweeten the deal to get Williams as his DC..Benson is a notorious tight wad, and Payton did what it took to get his man

[Fathead]

Kyle Orton threw the ball. He gets credit.

[shally]

People keep saying how "Kyle Orton" beat us on those deep plays. No, Kyle Orton did NOT beat us ... the RECEIVERS beat us. Did you see how open they were on those huge plays? If anything, Horton got us off the hook by MISSING another wide open receiver for what would've been a third big TD. Any moron off the street with decent arm strength could've made those throws. CHRIS SIMMS could've made those throws, that's how open those guys were.

This is veering off topic a little, I know, but I just get tired of hearing what "Kyle Orton" did when the receivers were open by 15 yards or more. It had nothing to do with Orton.

So, to veer back on topic, to say Brees will torch us deep because Orton torched us deep is not accurate. If we cover the way we covered against the Broncos early, and the way we covered at times vs. Philly, ANYONE will beat us deep.

not true.. the first half under Orton, our secondary was helpless.. the second half under Simms, we made plays and won..there is simply NO WAY we win that game if Orton stays in.. plus, Orton beat the Giants.. he is better than I thought, got to admit that i was wrong about him

[sinskin]

not true.. the first half under Orton, our secondary was helpless.. the second half under Simms, we made plays and won..there is simply NO WAY we win that game if Orton stays in.. plus, Orton beat the Giants.. he is better than I thought, got to admit that i was wrong about him



Coaching!

[wewantdallas]

You guys keep over looking this Saints team.

I'm not overlooking them at all. In fact, they are my adopted team for the season (except for next week.) I want them to win it all.

They are FAR superior to us in every respect and I expect them to beat us comfortably. I just don't expect the horrendous blowout you guys are predicting.

The Redskins defense, as poor as it is when it comes to gut-check time, has not been a consistent sieve in the secondary. I think Dallas was averaging 30+ points a game at home and we held them to 7. And don't mistake that for me saying, "This is a great defense." It's the way Blache schemes to keep scoring low by minimizing huge plays, a system which usually results in a lower scoring game. Doesn't usually result in a "W," of course, but that's for another thread.

Their M.O. has been to give up big plays here and there, then buckle down for awhile, then totally LET down when they HAVE to make a stand. I have no reason to believe that won't continue next week, although obviously the Saints are a lot more talented at all levels than any other team we've seen this year.

That said, the Saints almost lost to the Rams a couple weeks back, so don't think it's impossible that they won't overlook US.

[Fathead]

The two reasons the pass D looks good (statistically, they sure as hell don't pass the eyeball test):


1. The first half of the season so far we played terrible offenses.
2. The running game is so good against us that no one needs to throw.




The Saints have a great offense. The only reason Brees might not throw for a huge day is the fact that they could run the ball up and down the field on us.

[shally]

I'm not overlooking them at all. In fact, they are my adopted team for the season (except for next week.) I want them to win it all.

They are FAR superior to us in every respect and I expect them to beat us comfortably. I just don't expect the horrendous blowout you guys are predicting.

The Redskins defense, as poor as it is when it comes to gut-check time, has not been a consistent sieve in the secondary. I think Dallas was averaging 30+ points a game at home and we held them to 7. And don't mistake that for me saying, "This is a great defense." It's the way Blache schemes to keep scoring low by minimizing huge plays, a system which usually results in a lower scoring game. Doesn't usually result in a "W," of course, but that's for another thread.

Their M.O. has been to give up big plays here and there, then buckle down for awhile, then totally LET down when they HAVE to make a stand. I have no reason to believe that won't continue next week, although obviously the Saints are a lot more talented at all levels than any other team we've seen this year.

That said, the Saints almost lost to the Rams a couple weeks back, so don't think it's impossible that they won't overlook US.

we are catching them at the best time possible.. short week. injuries. they will over look us. plus, they are NOT as good outdoors.. we have a shot. plus, we have beaten the saints WITH Brees the last 2 times we have played them..
you just never know

[shally]

Coaching!

yup..Chicago, under Ron Turner is a disaster area for QB's...

[wewantdallas]

not true.. the first half under Orton, our secondary was helpless.. the second half under Simms, we made plays and won..there is simply NO WAY we win that game if Orton stays in.. plus, Orton beat the Giants.. he is better than I thought, got to admit that i was wrong about him

Helpless? I wouldn't say that at all. Orton had well over half of his total yards on TWO plays, and after that second long bomb midway through the first quarter, he didn't have another completion for over 20 yards.

Would they have won with him? Quite possibly, who knows. But to say "NO WAY" is greatly exaggerating his abilities, imo. But the question was about the idea that "Orton beat us deep," not whether they would've won with him in there the whole game.

I'm pointing out that Orton completed two unbelievably easy passes to ridiculously wide open receivers who beat our secondary like pack mules on two plays that totaled about 115 of his 190 yards. He then proceeded to complete some intermediate throws and miss on the rest of his deep shots for the rest of the quarter and a half he played.

And I think all that points more to our secondary's lapse in play that they've shown so often this year. They can be good when they want to, they can clamp down when they want to, but they can't sustain that clampdown. If they play the Saints like they played Dallas, I think we can slow Brees down to a 3 TD performance.

[cal_junior]

1. The first half of the season so far we played terrible offenses.

This is certainly true. Our schedule this season is a who's who of bad passing teams.

With that said, we do have a better overall defense than NE and a much better pass rush (if 92 plays). With the game at home and the Saints riding one of the biggest wins in recent franchise history, I'd say the Skins hang a round a little bit. Saints win by 10 or 14.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I think the game will be closer than a lot of people here seem to think. Our defense is going to do its usual "play to prevent the big play" thing, and hopefully Haynesworth will be back to help get some pressure on Brees.

We'll get eaten alive with the short - medium range passes, and there will be a big play or two from the Saints, but this defense will at least slow the Saints down for the first three quarters, provided Haynesworth is in there and we can stop the run. We'll tank in the fourth as usual, but I don't think that will give Brees enough time to rack up 5 TDs.

That, plus I think the Saints will be overlooking us after a big, emotional win last night. This is a classic trap game for them.

I predict a fairly close game until midway through the fourth when the Saints wake up and the defense does its usual "fourth quarter losers" dance: Final: 27-17.

I also predict at least one sideline shot of a smiling Gregg Williams as his defense tsunamis (yes, I just made that a verb) our o-line all day.

He'll throw 2, they'll over look us just as they did the Bucs, Panthers and Dolphins....and we'll win. And no, I'm not drinking or haven't been hitting the crack pipe. :D

[skin4ever]

Over for 2 reasons.

1-I remember the last team to come in here undefeated far into the season, NE. And they stomped the ever living hell our of us.

2-Brees is the leader on that team. Its up to him to show the guys they cant let up on anyone, not even the skins. So, hes going to make sure that doesnt happen the only way he knows how, throwing the ball and getting on the guys if they let up. Especially with our secondary as hurt as they are.

[cal_junior]

1-I remember the last team to come in here undefeated far into the season, NE. And they stomped the ever living hell our of us.

So because of the way a different Redskins team lost to a completely different franchise two years ago then this year's Saints team is going to throw at least three TD passes on Sunday?

Why do you hate logic so much, lol?

[Redskinmayhem]

So because of the way a different Redskins team lost to a completely different franchise two years ago then this year's Saints team is going to throw at least three TD passes on Sunday?

Why do you hate logic so much, lol?

No, because Brees threw 5 TD's on a much better coached team w/ arguably the same, if not more, talent. Plus, we're the Skins. they're gonna light us up lol.:smash:


Actually, I have a strange feeling about this week. I almost feel like we'll give them a good game. I had the same feeling vs DallaSS and Philly 2 last week...and we played fairly well giving the opposition a decent fight. Who knows...maybe we win, 42-34 lol. JC throws for 4 td's and 349 yds, he rushes for another and Devin Thomas takes a KR to the house. Rock adds a late TD dive from the 2 yd line to seal it.

I wish...

[akhhorus]

People keep saying how "Kyle Orton" beat us on those deep plays. No, Kyle Orton did NOT beat us ... the RECEIVERS beat us. Did you see how open they were on those huge plays? If anything, Horton got us off the hook by MISSING another wide open receiver for what would've been a third big TD. Any moron off the street with decent arm strength could've made those throws. CHRIS SIMMS could've made those throws, that's how open those guys were.


The only problem is that if you're right, the skins are in deeper trouble. They don't have anyone who can cover Meachem, Colston, Henderson, Bush, Shockey or Lance Moore-much less any combo of 5 of them at the same time-and Brees is as good a QB as there is in the league right now.

[CarMike]

The only problem is that if you're right, the skins are in deeper trouble. They don't have anyone who can cover Meachem, Colston, Henderson, Bush, Shockey or Lance Moore-much less any combo of 5 of them at the same time-and Brees is as good a QB as there is in the league right now.

Orakpo on Shockey ='s :eek:

[skin4ever]

So because of the way a different Redskins team lost to a completely different franchise two years ago then this year's Saints team is going to throw at least three TD passes on Sunday?

In a nutshell, Yes.

Why do you hate logic so much, lol?

Logic's got nothing to do with redskins football.

[X-Factor13]

Over imo for sure. I bet he throws for five or six on us, mostly because of his talent, but also because we'll be on our heels all game trying to defend the pass they'll gash us in the run game. I expect the second half to be a total blowout after they've made their adjustments and we come out the same lol

[sinskin]

yup..Chicago, under Ron Turner is a disaster area for QB's...

Cutler under the wings of McDaniels would be scary. They may be undefeated thus far.

[joethefan]

I'm going on record to say that NO will score less than 30 against us, even though I have Brees in my FFL.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Our defense is better than the Cheatriots d is.

[Redskinmayhem]

The only problem is that if you're right, the skins are in deeper trouble. They don't have anyone who can cover Meachem, Colston, Henderson, Bush, Shockey or Lance Moore-much less any combo of 5 of them at the same time-and Brees is as good a QB as there is in the league right now.

I don't think Lance Moore is playing and if he does, he won't be an impact. He's been screwing me royally since I picked him in the 3rd round of my FF draft.

The fact that the Saints FO can find a gem like Colston so late in the draft is indicative of how crappy our FO is in comparison. Before you guys throw Horton out there for comparison, remember that Colston, when healthy is an elite WR. Horton is a very serviceable and even "solid" starter. There's a difference. Even more telling is that our potential late rd gem (Marko), is sitting on the bench for no apparent reason.

[dj_stouty]

Even more telling is that our potential late rd gem (Marko), is sitting on the bench for no apparent reason.

For all we know, Marko may be no different than Scott Cloman or Jimmy Farris; a guy who looks great in preseason games yet stinks it up in practice by botching routes and making mistakes. I know our FO is generally inept in this area, but if Marko was a flat out shinning star I think they would have gotten him onto the field by now; especially with Moss and ARE losing reps to the younger guys lately.

[Redskinmayhem]

For all we know, Marko may be no different than Scott Cloman or Jimmy Farris; a guy who looks great in preseason games yet stinks it up in practice by botching routes and making mistakes. I know our FO is generally inept in this area, but if Marko was a flat out shinning star I think they would have gotten him onto the field by now; especially with Moss and ARE losing reps to the younger guys lately.

I can live with that but the two times we've seen him in live action, he's made the play. Obviously, something is awry. Is it the Coaching or Marko?

[CarMike]

we are catching them at the best time possible.. short week. injuries. they will over look us. plus, they are NOT as good outdoors.. we have a shot. plus, we have beaten the saints WITH Brees the last 2 times we have played them..
you just never know

Difference being shally, they have Greg Williams now. Their defense is a lot better than they were last year.

[smoak]

Definitely taking the under as I believe we win this game outright.

[silverspring]

with hall and haynesworth likely back i think this will be a close game. We will figure out a way to lose but it will still be close. I don't think brees will run up the score as much as people want. My concern is that GW knows JC, I wouldn't be surprised if JC has another game with multiple interceptions.

[CarMike]

I'm amazed to see how some are expecting our offense to OUT SCORE the Saints. Have you guys already forgotten that our offense sucks? Seriously?

The Saints scored 38 points against a much better defense than ours. And lets not forget that our DBs made Kyle Orton look like a future HOFer for the half he played against us.

I'd love to have show up this Sunday eating my crow. Yet, I'm amazed that so many think we have a chance to beat the Saints.

:)

[Redskinmayhem]

I'm amazed to see how some are expecting our offense to OUT SCORE the Saints. Have you guys already forgotten that our offense sucks? Seriously?

The Saints scored 38 points against a much better defense than ours. And lets not forget that our DBs made Kyle Orton look like a future HOFer for the half he played against us.

I'd love to have show up this Sunday eating my crow. Yet, I'm amazed that so many think we have a chance to beat the Saints.

:)

Hey, In my twisted reality, Tiger has a chance of coming out of his ordeal with his image completely untarnished. :moon2:

[akhhorus]

I don't think Lance Moore is playing and if he does, he won't be an impact. He's been screwing me royally since I picked him in the 3rd round of my FF draft.


Okay, we still can't match up on the Saints' WRs. With Moore out, they put David Thomas or another speed WR out there.

[Redskinmayhem]

Okay, we still can't match up on the Saints' WRs. With Moore out, they put David Thomas or another speed WR out there.

I don't think there is a single one on one matchup that favors us. No matter how we match up, we're at a disadvantage.

[wewantdallas]

I don't think there is a single one on one matchup that favors us. No matter how we match up, we're at a disadvantage.

Seriously? I think Kareem Moore can cover ALL of their wide receivers with ZERO help. Ten men on the line, Kareem Moore covering the rest of the field. That, my friend, equals total shutdown defense.

[Redskinmayhem]

Seriously? I think Kareem Moore can cover ALL of their wide receivers with ZERO help. Ten men on the line, Kareem Moore covering the rest of the field. That, my friend, equals total shutdown defense.

I just posted this a few posts before but I think you and I may live in the same reality.

Hey, In my twisted reality, Tiger has a chance of coming out of his ordeal with his image completely untarnished. :moon2:

[CarMike]

Okay, we still can't match up on the Saints' WRs. With Moore out, they put David Thomas or another speed WR out there.

Seriously? I think Kareem Moore can cover ALL of their wide receivers with ZERO help. Ten men on the line, Kareem Moore covering the rest of the field. That, my friend, equals total shutdown defense.

Shockey is going to own Orakpo.

[Redskinmayhem]

Shockey is going to own Orakpo.

Shockey has pretty much owned all of our back 7 for several years now, with one single, glaring exception...Sean Taylor.

[BurgundyNGold]

And my guess is he'll me mediocre to bad. Gregggggg strikes me as a great coordinator who doesn't have what it takes to be HC.
Give him a few years in NoLa. You'll see that he's not really that great a DC once he gets a chance to ruin the talent with his kind of players. ;)

[skinsfan36]

3 because hall isnt playing and rogers isnt playing like an nfl corner

[wewantdallas]

This was my prediction for the Saints game.

I think the game will be closer than a lot of people here seem to think. Our defense is going to do its usual "play to prevent the big play" thing, and hopefully Haynesworth will be back to help get some pressure on Brees.

We'll get eaten alive with the short - medium range passes, and there will be a big play or two from the Saints, but this defense will at least slow the Saints down for the first three quarters, provided Haynesworth is in there and we can stop the run. We'll tank in the fourth as usual, but I don't think that will give Brees enough time to rack up 5 TDs.

Come on - this is Nostradamus-like in its prescience. :-)

(Of course, I'm not going to mention my prediction that Williams' line would destroy our O-Line all day, when in fact our O-Line more than held its own. That would taint the brilliance of the above prediction.)

[sinskin]

This was my prediction for the Saints game.



Come on - this is Nostradamus-like in its prescience. :-)

(Of course, I'm not going to mention my prediction that Williams' line would destroy our O-Line all day, when in fact our O-Line more than held its own. That would taint the brilliance of the above prediction.)

Will I get a new Lexus for christmas or no....? Do you read palms?

[wewantdallas]

Will I get a new Lexus for christmas or no....? Do you read palms?

The answers to your questions are "yes" and "no." But not necessarily in that order.

[CarMike]

LOL, good job WWD. As I mentioned to smoak in another thread, I never thought we'd be in it till the end of the game. Our offense looked very good.

However, I bet the Saints could have thrown 3 or 4 more TDs on Landry. That double move was sick. It's a shame Landry can't learn from prior mistakes.

[sinskin]

LOL, good job WWD. As I mentioned to smoak in another thread, I never thought we'd be in it till the end of the game. Our offense looked very good.

However, I bet the Saints could have thrown 3 or 4 more TDs on Landry. That double move was sick. It's a shame Landry can't learn from prior mistakes.

You know I thought the same thing.... Happened twice ...why not 4 or 5 times. Maybe it was a series of plays before that that set it up i don't know but damn....

[silverspring]

This was my prediction for the Saints game.



Come on - this is Nostradamus-like in its prescience. :-)

(Of course, I'm not going to mention my prediction that Williams' line would destroy our O-Line all day, when in fact our O-Line more than held its own. That would taint the brilliance of the above prediction.)

Maybe in your next post you could write something like "Snyder will hire some competent people this offseason and the redskins will go on to dominate the league for the next decade."