Zorn Helping Campbell's Development?

[guess88]

Just a thought,

Since Sherm Lewis has come in, the offense has shown much more chemistry, and some rational playcalling. What's more striking is that Campbell actually looks like a QB who finally "gets it", and is making some solid plays. Since playcalling is out of Zorn's hands now, I'd imagine he's spending the majority of his time coaching Campbell up, and working more as a QB coach than anything. If so, do you all think that a large part of JC's progress is due to Zorn's QB coaching, or something else?

[InsomniaKiller]

It was supposed to take 3 years for JC to "get" the system, and we all knew that, but we lost patience along the way. I don't know if spending more time w/ Zorn is helping Campbell out, or if this is just the natural progression of things. At the end of year 2, Campbell looks better. Could year 3 be great? Maybe, but we'll probably never know.

[guess88]

Till the past few games JC didn't even seem to "get" the QB position. It could be that maybe Sherm's letting him loose more, but I do wonder how much of it is Zorn. He's a horrible HC, but was known to be a great QB coach.

[redskin_rich]

I think circumstances have triggered Campbell's survival instinct and he has chosen fight over flight.

[tyrone_rush_fan]

There are two kinds of QB's in the league. One type bends at the knees, has a wide stance, has a low center of gravity, and really uses their lower body to generate power (Drew Bress, Matt Hasselbeck). The other type stands tall in the pocket, uses their height to survey the field, and uses their upper body to generate power (Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers).

Either way is effective, but Zorn only acknowledges "Hasselbeck's" way of quarterbacking. JC is a "Rivers" type QB, it's the way he was born, he can't change that. Zorn has done more damage than good, by forcing JC to be something he's not.

You would think that a QB coach would realize that there is more than one way to be a successful QB in this league.

Edit: On second thought, Zorn is WCO guy, and he needs a "Hasselbeck" type QB to make that offense work. The error really lies in Vinny forcing Zorn and JC into an unholy marriage.

[guess88]

There are two kinds of QB's in the league. One type bends at the knees, has a wide stance, has a low center of gravity, and really uses their lower body to generate power (Drew Bress, Matt Hasselbeck). The other type stands tall in the pocket, uses their height to survey the field, and uses their upper body to generate power (Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers).

I don't know about using upper body to generate power. Throws begin at the toes, that's why there's so much emphasis on footwork. I can't imagine any NFL caliber qb, even the crappy ones, primarily using their upper body for power.

[Biggie]

I don't know about using upper body to generate power. Throws begin at the toes, that's why there's so much emphasis on footwork. I can't imagine any NFL caliber qb, even the crappy ones, primarily using their upper body for power.
It's like throwing a punch in boxing. If you're trying to put any power into the motion of your arm, you need to be rotating your hips (hence why a jab isn't a power punch).

[shally]

There are two kinds of QB's in the league. One type bends at the knees, has a wide stance, has a low center of gravity, and really uses their lower body to generate power (Drew Bress, Matt Hasselbeck). The other type stands tall in the pocket, uses their height to survey the field, and uses their upper body to generate power (Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers).

Either way is effective, but Zorn only acknowledges "Hasselbeck's" way of quarterbacking. JC is a "Rivers" type QB, it's the way he was born, he can't change that. Zorn has done more damage than good, by forcing JC to be something he's not.

You would think that a QB coach would realize that there is more than one way to be a successful QB in this league.

Edit: On second thought, Zorn is WCO guy, and he needs a "Hasselbeck" type QB to make that offense work. The error really lies in Vinny forcing Zorn and JC into an unholy marriage.

ALL true.. besides, who other than Hasselbeck gets a star on Zorn's resume ? it isnt as if he has 4 all pros that he has developed

i thought that Zorn's system was a poor fit from day 1 for Campbell's skill package-- and nothing that has happened for the past 2 seasons changes anything

a system that takes 3 years for a QB to finally get comfortable with is needlessly convoluted and retards the player's development.. i simply dont buy it.. and, of course, then you have to have the "right" other personnel to go with it.. bogus.. Joe Gibbs system was a product of Coryell and Gilman's tree. was it any more complex ??
Joe Theisman "got it" by the second half of the first season and won a super bowl with it in his second.. williams and rypien were succesfull as starters in it in less than 3 years

this is all just a smokes screen for zorn's issues, or campbell's lack of brain power or skills to run it. either way, i wouldnt expect dramatic changes in the perfomance of either, if there is a year 3 for them together..

[Fathead]

Gibbs was also smart enough to realize he couldn't do everything his way, he had to adapt to personnel, not make personnel adapt to him. Zorn has not shown that at all IMO.

[tuckahoeskin]

Gibbs was also smart enough to realize he couldn't do everything his way, he had to adapt to personnel, not make personnel adapt to him. Zorn has not shown that at all IMO.

This is what killed me about the Norv years as well. It seems so obvious (Gibbs method) yet so many refuse to take that path. Put people in the best position to make the most of their strengths and they will make you look good. It's pretty straightforward.

[paparora]

I think its established that Zorn's system works. And as far as adapting, he went 6-2 when he first came in. He did that on the shoulders of Clinton Portis -- the mantra was run first, pass later. That is not WCO. Unfortunately, in the seasons demise -- he also stuck to that mantra.

Finally, this team is running a WCO, which is pass first, run second. And voila!

I think Sherm Lewis just came in and reset everything. Its tough to take chances as a head coach in the NFL, especially when youve just been promoted from a QB's coach. One wrong move, and your out -- so Zorn took all the safe moves.

He even said in one of his interviews...I run the ball a lot more because this offensive line doesnt give Campbell enough time, and 3rd and 4 is a lot easier to make then 3rd & 10 or 3rd & 25. How about the major difference being Levi Jones playing Left Tackle? Thats the one thing that has changed about this offense, which has caused a spark. Because remember in the Cowboys game, we scored 0 touchdowns and it was Sherman Lewis calling the plays.

This is Jim Zorn's playbook. Its just being run now like its supposed to (pass first, run second -- WCO). Its being run properly because offensive line is mediocre, as opposed to downright depressing -- which it was earlier. Execution is also better, and our younger kids are stepping up. This is the only reasonable explanation. I hate it when people say fire Zorn -- NO, its his system and if your gonna blame him for the losses then you need to credit him for the success as well.