Snyder is the owner we deserve

[redcayman]

First let me start by saying this is not directed towards anyone person. That being said, Dan Snyder is the owner we wanted, he is the owner we deserve. I say this because talking to different fans and reading different message boards we are no better than he is. We are just as intrigued with shiny baubles as he is.

Take in point coaches I’ve heard plenty of people, myself included scream for a new coach. Zorn was not ready to be a head coach we hired him anyway. Now instead of trying to let him grow into the position we scream that he is not the right choice. Most coaches deserve 3 years. Right now we have a team that is fighting for pride I have to believe that a lot of that comes from him. He was given too many responsibilities in the beginning, now that he has less he and the team are steadily improving. Improvement is not good enough we need to start all over with the next big thing. (Kinda Snyderish)

Now let’s go with the QB (oooo a very hot topic). I have heard screams from the rafters that we need a new QB that knows how to win and JC has had 5 years to develop. First he has had about 3.5 years. In that time he has learned by my count 3 different systems. How many people in here would be good at their jobs if every year they had to learn a new way to do it? To quote a commercial you don’t become an expert by doing lots of things a few times you become great by doing a few things over and over again. So he hasn’t won the games we wanted, it’s time to get the next new thing (Kinda Snyderish). It never occurs to some fans that the best way to improve the team is to put weapons, protection and some consistency around him and then see what he can do. If he has these things and still only treads water then it’s time to move on (i.e. T. Jackson and the Vikings)

Finally let’s look at the draft. Two seasons ago we were screaming about a tall WR. What did the team do we drafted tall 3 WR’s/TE. This was exactly what the fan base was screaming for maybe not the amount but definitely the pic. We took TALL WR’s with injury histories and lack of experience and passed on Desean Jackson (Kinda Snyderish). Now we knew it takes time for them to develop but it was too much time (less than 2 years) and we called them busts. Now they are starting to develop it just takes time.

The Redskins are part of my life some of my happiest times as a child were rooting for them at good ole RFK. It pains me to see them like this. It also pains me that we (I’m including myself) are so impatient that we won’t let the team develop and grow. We are no better than Snyder he is impatient and thinks good things come from constant change. I ask that we all stop take a deep breath and have some patience, or we can look forward to many more years of constant disappointment.

[Skaggsrules]

Not even dallas deserves Daniel Snyder.....ok maybe dallas

[Farmer Ted]

Sorry, but that's just dumb (at least the part I read before I quit was).

[redcayman]

Sorry, but that's just dumb (at least the part I read before I quit was).

Can you be more specific? Whats dumb or are you just make an empty comment.

[CP26CP26CP26]

Because he's the owner Redskins deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him and call for his head. Because he's not out owner. He's a silent idiot, a grade A jerk. A dark heart.

[PyroGenic]

Interesting, but I think that you're overlooking mismanagement and conveniently blur the lines in the dichotomy between fans and ownership.

To put it bluntly, the people in this organization are paid for this. We, as fans, pay for what's put on the field. There are different intrinsic responsibilities in the two, and what I view this situation as is a reflection of how the fans have been treated, not the other way around.

[Santheb]

No I still think we could use a new owner.

[cal_junior]

we are no better than he is. We are just as intrigued with shiny baubles as he is.

This is where I stopped reading.

Since we don't get a say in who the team picks up, fans are "intrigued" by whatever new pieces are there. It so happens under Dan Snyder the new pieces have usually been these "shiny baubles."

I haven't liked most of the free agent/draft/coach hire moves the team has made the past ten years, but what else am I going to do? Each off-season you try and imagine how the seemingly inept decisions could possible work some how.

That's Dan's fault, not ours.

[Fathead]

Redskins fans have endured huge sections of time where the team was mediocre to bad, yet have stayed with the team. Redskins fans have endured having only 2 QBs in the history of the team who were good for an extended period of time, yet have stayed with the team. Redskins fans have spent the last 9 years without having even a division title, yet have stayed with the team. Redskins fans have watched Daniel Snyder destroy any credibility the team had, have watched him sue fans, have watched him charge for training camp, have watched him raise prices to ungodly levels, have watched him tinker and make idiotic moves on and off the field, yet have stayed with team.



Saying that Redskins fans deserve Snyder is like saying a child deserves Brain Cancer.

[Hr fan]

danny wants to win and will spend to get there. As an owner he is potentially good. As a football man (GM, scout, sometimes HC) he is a disaster. Therefore we may have the owner we deserve but we don't have the GM etc. we deserve. This is the definition of dysfunction. The real problem is that the owner will not fire himself from jobs he constantly screws up. This is the definition of fan despair.

[WackyJacky]

Sorry, but that's just dumb (at least the part I read before I quit was).
+1 http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/more/bigs/e070.gif

[AMISHSKINSFAN]

A provacative post to be sure. We are impatient- it's been so long since we've been relevant, since this team has been anything but joke-fodder. We the fans didn't hire Cerrato or Zorn or Spurrier, we didn't play billionaire fantasy football, all we did was root for our team. How can you say that this proud franchise deserves head cancer? Danny ruined the skins, we didn't.

[akhhorus]

So, we deserve Snyder since some fans booed/dumped on Campbell(among other things)? I like Campbell, but I don't see what he's done to prove that he's a superstar(or even a star) or that we "deserve" Snyder because we "mistreated" anyone on the team.

[CarMike]

Wow redcayman. You paint with a mighty broad brush.

But, whatever.

PS. I think it's the right move to keep Campbell. So see. Not everyone is the same as YOU want to think we are.

[redcayman]

So, we deserve Snyder since some fans booed/dumped on Campbell(among other things)? I like Campbell, but I don't see what he's done to prove that he's a superstar(or even a star) or that we "deserve" Snyder because we "mistreated" anyone on the team.

I'm using Campbell as an example. I'm not defending Snyder actually quite the opposite. What I'm trying to say is that we as a fan base exhibit some of the same tendancies he does (impatience). We I say we deserve Snyder I mean we reinforce his bahaviors with our actions and support.

[CarMike]

I'm using Campbell as an example. I'm not defending Snyder actually quite the opposite. What I'm trying to say is that we as a fan base exhibit some of the same tendancies he does (impatience). We I say we deserve Snyder I mean we reinforce his bahaviors with our actions and support.

Guess what? Some times it's clear that a person is not HC material. We [fans] should give Zorn "time" to learn on the job while we suck year after year? Just for the sake of continuity? I don't think so. And If I'm a season ticket holder and dishing out large amounts of $$$, I definitely don't think so.

Lastly, we're fans. Name one fan base that isn't impatient when it comes to their team. Everyone wants a winner. Our society today is impatient. Everyone wants instant gratification. Snyder, it's his job to not make stupid hires 'cause no one else wants to work for him. He has made his bed and he'll have to lye on it.

So no. Snyder isn't the owner that I deserve. No matter what you say and no matter how you defend your opinion.

[redcayman]

Guess what? Some times it's clear that a person is not HC material. We [fans] should give Zorn "time" to learn on the job while we suck year after year? Just for the sake of continuity? I don't think so. And If I'm a season ticket holder and dishing out large amounts of $$$, I definitely don't think so.

Lastly, we're fans. Name one fan base that isn't impatient when it comes to their team. Everyone wants a winner. Our society today is impatient. Everyone wants instant gratification. Snyder, it's his job to not make stupid hires 'cause no one else wants to work for him. He has made his bed and he'll have to lye on it.

So no. Snyder isn't the owner that I deserve. No matter what you say and no matter how you defend your opinion.

When does it stop? We brought in Joe Gibbs and promptly won a total of 5 games. When the next coach comes in do we fire him too after 2 seasons?As a season ticket holder I dropped quite a bit of cash this year too. I have called for Zorn's firing on a number of occasions. Didn't make me right. So your saying no one can ever get better or improve. A lot of people have called for blowing this whole thing up. Rebuilding usually means having to suffer through some crappy seasons. But the sentiment I'm sensing is that you don't get that time or there is a set deadline.

[akhhorus]

I'm using Campbell as an example. I'm not defending Snyder actually quite the opposite. What I'm trying to say is that we as a fan base exhibit some of the same tendancies he does (impatience). We I say we deserve Snyder I mean we reinforce his bahaviors with our actions and support.

I don't agree with that. The fans are impatient because Snyder and the Snyderettes constantly say that the skins are close to being a title contender all offseason long and overhype the draft picks/free agents/players already on the roster. How many times have we heard that the skins "are just one player away" or "there's no need to fix what's not broken" from Larry Michael or Vinny or The Danny himself? Thats creating expectations in the fans just so they'll buy tickets, and the fans naturally react negatively when they see that the Emperor has no clothes with the Skins trying to blame the media for their struggles(or making up that the skins are even struggling).

[akhhorus]

When does it stop? We brought in Joe Gibbs and promptly won a total of 5 games. When the next coach comes in do we fire him too after 2 seasons?As a season ticket holder I dropped quite a bit of cash this year too. I have called for Zorn's firing on a number of occasions. Didn't make me right. So your saying no one can ever get better or improve. A lot of people have called for blowing this whole thing up. Rebuilding usually means having to suffer through some crappy seasons. But the sentiment I'm sensing is that you don't get that time or there is a set deadline.

I think that its easy to tell the difference between a team crashing and burning(which the skins are doing this season) and a team being rebuilt from the ground up.

[redcayman]

I don't agree with that. The fans are impatient because Snyder and the Snyderettes constantly say that the skins are close to being a title contender all offseason long and overhype the draft picks/free agents/players already on the roster. How many times have we heard that the skins "are just one player away" or "there's no need to fix what's not broken" from Larry Michael or Vinny or The Danny himself? Thats creating expectations in the fans just so they'll buy tickets, and the fans naturally react negatively when they see that the Emperor has no clothes with the Skins trying to blame the media for their struggles(or making up that the skins are even struggling).

I agree but this also proves the point that we reinforce thier decisions with our actions. We are not a dumb fan base. I guarantee we will continue to buy tickets and Jerseys of what ever flashy trinket they bring in. If they continue to make money there is no need to improve the way they do business. Hence the HR boycott.

[akhhorus]

I agree but this also proves the point that we reinforce thier decisions with our actions.

So, they manipulate the fanbase and its the fans' fault for buying their bs? I can't accept that.

We are not a dumb fan base. I guarantee we will continue to buy tickets and Jerseys of what ever flashy trinket they bring in. If they continue to make money there is no need to improve the way they do business. Hence the HR boycott.

I disagree with that, I think this season was the final straw. If the skins keep Zorn, keep Vinny and the only changes they make is to sign a couple big name free agents, the fans are going to wait to see a 3-1 start before they start buying up tickets/jerseys and such.

[redcayman]

So, they manipulate the fanbase and its the fans' fault for buying their bs? I can't accept that.

We will have to disagree on this. It is up to us to see that the emperor has no clothes no matter how it is presentented. In fact the resson I really only post on here is because you all see past what is presented. I can't believe we are the only ones.

I disagree with that, I think this season was the final straw. If the skins keep Zorn, keep Vinny and the only changes they make is to sign a couple big name free agents, the fans are going to wait to see a 3-1 start before they start buying up tickets/jerseys and such.

No where will you ever see me defend Vinny. I honestly hope that you are right. History seems to contradict this.

[akhhorus]

We will have to disagree on this. It is up to us to see that the emperor has no clothes no matter how it is presentented. In fact the resson I really only post on here is because you all see past what is presented. I can't believe we are the only ones.


Especially with sports teams, there will be fans who want to believe regardless of the facts. We had people on this board pre-season talking about how they seriously believed the skins were a super bowl contender. Regardless of what happens this offseason, I guarantee that there will be people who say that next pre-season also. The skins have decided that they will try and encourage this by any means necessary just to make money. Its not the fans fault that the skins are lying to their fans. In any event, it still falls on Snyder for doing(or tolerating the people who do) this, not the fans


No where will you ever see me defend Vinny. I honestly hope that you are right. History seems to contradict this.

At some point: Snyder has to placate the fans with more than platitudes, or he'll see what he saw at the stadium more and more: empty seats. And Snyder's debt load means that he can't have that continue.

[flave1969]

You know Akh predicted a 5-11 season when he did his preview. How is that looking right now. Go back look at the poll we had, majority of fans here predicted 7-9, 8-8. that isn't buying into the BS, that is bang on appraisal of our reality. Many people have not been buying the rubbish for years on here. Every regime change gets a grace period, as do coaching changes.

Virtually every hire on this board has been greeted with some degree of scepticism, barring the return of coach Gibbs. He was given amazing support because of who he was. Had he seen out the full contract he would have still been supported.

We do not deserve this at all. There are so many examples of mis-management and poor play from this team over the past 10 years patience simply wears thin. All any player/coach needs to do is show some competence. Even more so under this regime. It will and does get recognised alongside the endless mediocrity we have endured.

[akhhorus]

You know Akh predicted a 5-11 season when he did his preview. How is that looking right now

I predicted 8-8 in 08 also. If you want a painful laugh, go back to my prediction thread this season and read all the comments from people who said my prediction was crap because the skins were too talented for 5 wins lol.

[redcayman]

I predicted 8-8 in 08 also. If you want a painful laugh, go back to my prediction thread this season and read all the comments from people who said my prediction was crap because the skins were too talented for 5 wins lol.

There is still time. We can do it we can win 7 games lololololololol.

[redskin2117]

I get on HailRedskins.com everyday and read this board and this is the first time in a long time I've been compelled to post and say Redcayman you're right on. This type of thing needs to be said more often. The only pieces we desperately need expunged from us ar Snyder himself (never gonna happen) and Cerrato. Without stability we will NEVER be great again- NEVER!!!

[lorimike]

Excellent post. We will never get anywhere with changing everthing all the time. Take Cambell. His QB rating is 13th in the league. Not great but we could do a lot worse. See Jamcuss Russell or Josh Freeman. I would resign Jason and try and build the pieces around him. I would give Zorn another year.

[Smiley]

First things first: I wanted the team to stay in the Cooke family...I was sooo disappointed that John lost the team to this guy. I never wanted Schotty fired, he did more with less talent than Coach Gibbs did. I don't think Zorn should be fired, or Campbell let go. The final games will determine both their futures with this team, and I hope they succeed. Hail!

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

I thought we'd start off strong with det, stl, car, kc, tb in 1st six games and threaten for a wild card, but alas we lose 3 of those 5 lol. i think the schedule was gift wrapped for zorn to prove what he's worth in his 2nd year..... FAIL! NEXT!

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Redskins fans are some of the best in the NFL. We do not deserve this.

[bfauble83]

We are just as intrigued with shiny baubles as he is.




I'm flattered?

[wide_awake]

I don't think enough people realize the kinds of fans on these boards are a TINY portion of the overall Redskin fan base.


No offense, but it's because of all the idiots walking around in Haynesworth jersey's after Snyder satisfies his urge for instant gratification that he will do the exact same thing the next year.

They are enabling the man. They help him justify his notion that the "fans" WANT these big, overpriced free agents every off-season like we are just a "player away!"


It's this reason why I've been rooting for the most humiliating Redskin losses this season: it hurts to do so, but we need to get the instant-gratification fans demanding the change we diehard fans know we need. And by the way, that single performance in the Saints game will do more harm than good.

[joethefan]

I'm sorry, I was only on board with Zorn to help fix the issues with Campbell. I was really never on board with the head coach thing, esp when I found out how by default he got the gig.

Vinnie is the one who I'm sure suggested we turn Zorn into a HC. The Snyder HC hires have all been a disaster. And yes even Joe Gibbs to a degree because Joe bought in to this crap, so he deserves some of the blame as well.

And yes, I am impatient when it comes to the choices Snyder has made. Fassel had one foot in the door, the fans didn't want him and Danny turned his back. Which, IMO Fassel would have done a better job then Zorn IMO.

Yes I'm impatient when it comes down to me being able to recognize what the direction of this team is. We have no identity and yes I'm impatient when it comes to that and until we get one that leads to some wins, I will continue to be impatient.

I don't think I could go through another year of Zorn. One win in Oakland doesn't really do it for me. Jason is 4-16 when the the Skins are losing within 6 minutes left in the game. While I do think he is the best option for next year, that stat alone has to change, in order for him to be successful in this league.

The bad part is that they intereviewed several credible candidates and came up with the guy that so called WOOW'd them. If that interview was anywhere like Zorn's pressors, then no wonder we have what we have. They probably cannot recognize a real football mind. So yes, you're right, I am impatient when it comes to something I have invested so much time into, which has resulted in mostly 10 years of crappy teams. IMO they just haven't mapped out a real direction for this team and have gotten on one of those boats providing "a cruise to nowhere" IMO.

[oldskinfan]

I agree with many of your opinions about how the organization is run, and that we have little patience. You can add the fact that last pre-season, we all wanted to give the starting QB job to a guy named Colt. Cool name, but no more than a backup IMHO.

We also want the latest shiny thing...and as they say, during pre-season, the backup QB is the favorite player.
Fans behaved no better when Jack Kent Cooke owned the team and the Skins were having a bad year.

Dan Snyder acts like one of us, and most of us would do no better a job owning the team given our propensity to act as you say and despite our own high opinion of ourselves ;-).

But to say we "deserve" him is a bad statement. You would hope a football owner knows better, and that he would hire a real football man to build and run the team.

[colkurtz]

Snyder has had 9 years to produce a winner. He has gone against all NFL convention and been the team's personal GM and driven this team and this franchise to the bottom of the NFL. He's a spoiled billionaire with a bootlicking cover guy, Vinny Cerrato and a weak HC.

Let's be honest - he picked Zorn because no other respectible coaching candidate wanted to be part of this train wreck. Zorn is not HC material and the fact that he was rejected for nearly 20 years by every other team except Danny Snyder shows how desperate Snyder was after a fruitless 30 day search.

Snyder has the ability to change this organization and bring it to greatness. But that means he's got a get out of the Danny Snyder fantasy football league mentality. He's got to bring in a GM and HC and leave the driving to those people. I'm not sure he has the ability to change and we'll win just enough games, so he can claim - " we're almost there" [again].

[joethefan]

" we're almost there" [again].


If i hear that quote come from them again for the umpteenth time, I'll scream...He does have the ability to change it. But the problem is now that the team is doing better, they will blame the problems on Zorn and say they figured it out and here we are all over again another miserable season. It will absolutely shock me if snyder grew a pair and fired Vinnie and Zorn together. I'm beginning to lose hope that it will happen. 1 of them is going and it will probably be the latter.

[MadDog97]

For me personally, I disagree with your fan assessment. For several years on multiple boards I have argued for improved line play and supported Jason. I agree that 3 years needed minimum for a coach, but I would have stuck with Williams and made Zorn the QB coach or maybe OC. Now that Zorn is here you have to be patient.

I thought the best chance for a turnaround was with Marty. Not everyone chased the latest fad, except for our owner.

[joethefan]

For me personally, I disagree with your fan assessment. For several years on multiple boards I have argued for improved line play and supported Jason. I agree that 3 years needed minimum for a coach, but I would have stuck with Williams and made Zorn the QB coach or maybe OC. Now that Zorn is here you have to be patient.

I thought the best chance for a turnaround was with Marty. Not everyone chased the latest fad, except for our owner.


IMO its time to get experience in there Snyder alway hires in That order

Marty - NFL HC Exp - makes since

Spurrier - No NFL HC Exp - gone after 2 years thank GOD

Gibbs - NFL Exp HC Makes Since

Zorn - No NFL HC Exp nice guy Terrible HC IMO

Now its time to get an experienced guy in there.

[smoak]

I'm not ready past the first paragraph b/c fan are SUPPOSED to be intrigued with shiny baubles and have delusions of granduer.... Owners are supposed to hitre REAL football guys to run their franchise like and NFL team and not some "TomGotYourMom" fantasy team. Owners are not football guys and need to butt out. Fans can do whatever they want b/c they are fans.

[RedskinsDave]

First let me start by saying this is not directed towards anyone person. That being said, Dan Snyder is the owner we wanted, he is the owner we deserve. I say this because talking to different fans and reading different message boards we are no better than he is. We are just as intrigued with shiny baubles as he is.

Take in point coaches I’ve heard plenty of people, myself included scream for a new coach. Zorn was not ready to be a head coach we hired him anyway. Now instead of trying to let him grow into the position we scream that he is not the right choice. Most coaches deserve 3 years. Right now we have a team that is fighting for pride I have to believe that a lot of that comes from him. He was given too many responsibilities in the beginning, now that he has less he and the team are steadily improving. Improvement is not good enough we need to start all over with the next big thing. (Kinda Snyderish)

Zorn is in over his head. Hiring him was Snyderish and no fan wanted it.

Now let’s go with the QB (oooo a very hot topic). I have heard screams from the rafters that we need a new QB that knows how to win and JC has had 5 years to develop. First he has had about 3.5 years. In that time he has learned by my count 3 different systems. How many people in here would be good at their jobs if every year they had to learn a new way to do it? To quote a commercial you don’t become an expert by doing lots of things a few times you become great by doing a few things over and over again. So he hasn’t won the games we wanted, it’s time to get the next new thing (Kinda Snyderish). It never occurs to some fans that the best way to improve the team is to put weapons, protection and some consistency around him and then see what he can do. If he has these things and still only treads water then it’s time to move on (i.e. T. Jackson and the Vikings)

Snyder tried to dump him. Most fans wanted him to stay and most support him, despite having issues at times.

Finally let’s look at the draft. Two seasons ago we were screaming about a tall WR. What did the team do we drafted tall 3 WR’s/TE. This was exactly what the fan base was screaming for maybe not the amount but definitely the pic. We took TALL WR’s with injury histories and lack of experience and passed on Desean Jackson (Kinda Snyderish). Now we knew it takes time for them to develop but it was too much time (less than 2 years) and we called them busts. Now they are starting to develop it just takes time.

If you need one aspirin, do you take three and then complain about your stomach ache? Yeah, that's what the fans did. Again, you're not proving your point.

The Redskins are part of my life some of my happiest times as a child were rooting for them at good ole RFK. It pains me to see them like this. It also pains me that we (I’m including myself) are so impatient that we won’t let the team develop and grow. We are no better than Snyder he is impatient and thinks good things come from constant change. I ask that we all stop take a deep breath and have some patience, or we can look forward to many more years of constant disappointment.

When you say "patience" do you mean 20 years? It's been ten now and we have nothing tangible to show for it. You really didn't come close to proving your hypothesis.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm using Campbell as an example. I'm not defending Snyder actually quite the opposite. What I'm trying to say is that we as a fan base exhibit some of the same tendancies he does (impatience). We I say we deserve Snyder I mean we reinforce his bahaviors with our actions and support.
The difference between Danny and the fans is that fans can afford to be impulsive, tempermental and play fantasy football at work.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Perhaps I'm a tad biased, but I think this fan base deserves a front office that employs some of the best minds in football. We shell out the dough, we support the team, we travel well, we do everything the fans of a storied franchise should.

Disagree with the OP's assessment of what the fans want. During the 2008 draft, there were planty of us saying we need to build from the lines outward. I've been wrong about plenty of things, this was not one of them. Point being, there is no consensus. If there was, we wouldn't have 10 page lively debates on whether or not to retain Jason Campbell.

Also, many of us are boycotting the Redskins. This is not exclusive to HR. It has spread. Look at the stands. Look at the season ticket waiting list that no longer exists. Dan's bottom line is sure to follow.

Dan Snyder sued a little old lady because she couldn't pay anymore. She didn't deserve that. Nobody does-especially not a life long fan who attended as many games as she did.

[sinskin]

I can understand in some ways what the poster is saying.

We were hammering the boards last year for a pass rush and we got it. Synder obviously went a bit "overkill" in doing this but we got it never the less.

I remember countless posts way back about tall WR's for the redzone when we couldn't do anything but kick field goals in Gibbs ll. We got them... "overkill" once again but we got em.

We cannot count how many threads there are argueing over JC. Countless.
Well looks as though we will get our franchise QB whether we like it or not.

Oline, yet to be seen. If we dont go huge in the off season on Oline I truely believe Vinny will be murdered.

It's like they read this board and then go out and try to please us. In a "overkill" kind of way.I feel thats why Fassel wasn't hired. They feared for their lives after reading the boards lol.

[BraveHeartFan]

Sorry to the OP but no fans deserves an owner like Dan Snyder.

No group of fans deserve to have an owner who continues to trade away tons of draft picks for whatever is the shiny new toy he sees. No fan deserves to watch their owner be the Superbowl Champion of Free Agent spending, nearly every year, only to watch as it doesn't produce any real, tangible, results for the fans.

No fans deserve to watch as the owner of their team pretty much tanks a season, before it even starts, by openly looking for other QBs, and failing miserably to get any of them, thus shaking the confidence of the guy they already have in house.

No fans deserve to have their prices increased every year, despite the product not improving every year. They don't deserve to have their signs and such taken away or forced to leave games simply because Danny Boy has such thin skin that he can't take the critism of the fact that he's doing, and has done, a very poor job as an owner.

No one, at all, deserves things like that.


Unless you're an Eagles fan. Then you deserve everything you get for, well, being an Eagles fan.












(Note that even that is a joke as I don't wish that even on Eagles fans and I hate their team more than any other in all of sports.)

[cal_junior]

We were hammering the boards last year for a pass rush and we got it. Synder obviously went a bit "overkill" in doing this but we got it never the less.

The hammering was louder for offensive lineman.

[dj_stouty]

I have heard screams from the rafters that we need a new QB that knows how to win and JC has had 5 years to develop. First he has had about 3.5 years.

I think you are confusing "development" with "experience". Quarterbacks "develop" from the moment they are drafted....and they develop through workouts, voluntary camps, training camps, weekly practices, watching from the sidelines and being prepped by their peers regardless if they start or not. Jason got 3 solid years (including his first two) with Bill Lazor as his QB coach and Mark Brunell as his mentor. Like it or not, Jason Campbell has been developing as a QB for 5 straight years now.

[Skins-fo-life]

As from a fan standpoint my reasoning for impatience with this team is that growing up most of us on here were accustomed to winning and then all of sudden Gibbs retires and then Cooke dies. I do think the turnover rate is high with this team, but c'mon. How many years does Cerrato get to stick around with nothing to show for his actions. With Snyder there is nothing that can be done with him. He will never sell this team so as fans we are stuck with him probably for the rest of our natural lives. I'm on the fence about Zorn, but I still remember the day he was hired and they were going over all of or lack thereof accomplishments. I was stunned none the less and shocked. I kept thinking that the only reason they bumped him from OC to HC was the fact that no one wanted to work for Snyder especially since he made most of the coaching staff himself. I'm sure the rest of the league was laughing at this hire. As for the original point in this post I feel as fans that we don't deserve Snyder. He was forced upon us. We are supporters of this team. Most of us live and breathe this team. We buy the tickets and the merchandise. I feel in my heart that we all deserve a winning team with competent management.

[AGibbsGirl]

For me personally, I disagree with your fan assessment. For several years on multiple boards I have argued for improved line play and supported Jason.

Me too, in fact there are several of us on this board who have been ok with Jason the last few seasons and willing to give him the time he needs, simply because of all of the different offenses he's had to endure and the bad O-lines he's played behind in the last few years when he should be hitting his stride. (HUGE run-on sentence)

He's also played with injuries caused by the lack of defenders that have allowed him to be hit multiple times per game. I am at the point where I'd hate to lose him now, because he'd go off and probably win a Super Bowl for a more stable team....

[Death_Venom]

Me too, in fact there are several of us on this board who have been ok with Jason the last few seasons and willing to give him the time he needs, simply because of all of the different offenses he's had to endure and the bad O-lines he's played behind in the last few years when he should be hitting his stride. (HUGE run-on sentence)

He's also played with injuries caused by the lack of defenders that have allowed him to be hit multiple times per game. I am at the point where I'd hate to lose him now, because he'd go off and probably win a Super Bowl for a more stable team....

I think there are SEVERAL teams that would not mind having JC. The Browns to mention one.