No more Chris Cooley fans???

[The Iceman]

As far as I can tell before Chris Cooley got hurt, he was the Redskins most popular player by a far and wide margin. With that said, I would love to know why so many fans here at HR have just turned their backs on him. The guy broke his ankle. He didn't quit on the team, act like a jerk, refuse to practice, or mouth off to reporters. He simply got hurt. I find it hard to fathom that people are so quick to just get rid of him now. He is one of the few good, young, bright spots on this team. Yes Davis is playing great, but can you imagine how dangerous they could be on the field together?

I'm curious to know what you guys and gals think about this. In all the threads I have read lately about the future, noone ever lists Cooley as a keeper and I don't know why.

[Biggie]

I'm still as big a Cooley fan as ever. I've never suggested they trade or otherwise unload him; in fact, I don't know why it's so unfathomable for us to have two talented players at a position. Most teams would be glad to have this situation and would take advantage of it - the Chargers don't refuse to play Darren Sproles just because they have LT.

[akhhorus]

Where has anyone turned their back on him?

[Skins-fo-life]

I don't see where anyone has turned their back on Cooley. I still love him. Most conversations on here are about Gameday and how the Skins played and the biggest news. Cooley hasn't been playing so he don't really come up in the conversation. but none the less we still love him

[tuckahoeskin]

Where has anyone turned their back on him?

Yeah. Are we supposed to tone down our happiness about Fred Davis finally picking up the offense and producing? If so, let us know now. We don't want to offend anyone in the game day threads.

Seriously though. I think most of us still like Cooley and look forward to his return. Don't misread things.

[akhhorus]

Yeah. Are we supposed to tone down our happiness about Fred Davis finally picking up the offense and producing? If so, let us know now. We don't want to offend anyone in the game day threads.

Seriously though. I think most of us still like Cooley and look forward to his return. Don't misread things.

The only time the fans, from what I've seen, have criticized Cooley was when he ripped the fans on his blog for booing the skins. And he deserved it then. There is a very legitimate question of what to do with Davis/Cooley moving forward with Davis' emergence at TE. But speculating about who to trade(if either) isn't turning one's back on a player, its honest discussion.

[flave1969]

There are a large number of us who stated in CSquared's thread that we would love to see Cooley/Davis lined up together causing mis-matches all over the field, I was one of them. There are plenty of us who wish Cooley to retire a Redskin.

Two other points.

Cooley openly called out Redskin fans early on in the season for voicing their dissaproval. He lost heaps of respect because many fans felt that he more than any other player understood the fans perspectives, yet he effectively called us stupid. It is us who have been proven correct about this team.

Secondly Cooley represents one of the few players with genuine trade value. We have a team with multiple holes and could do with what he likely would bring in a trade. I personally do not believe you should weaken a position with genuine strength but it is a reasoned argument and has some merit.

[CarMike]

No, Iceman has a point. There has been some talk about fans not liking Cooley as much as say last year. It all started after the Rams game I believe. The fans were booing after a win and Cooley decided to let it be known via his blog just what he thought of those fans who were unhappy with a 9-7 victory.

I still like Cooley. However, I would also like to see the Redskins somehow come up with a few extra draft picks. Even if it costs the Redskins Cooley or Davis. Now, if we get a coach in here who can play both Cooley and Davis at the same time, something that Zorn couldn't do in the two years he's been here, more power to holding onto both guys. However, if there's only room for 1 pass catching TE to start for the Redskins, I don't see the problem in trying to use one of those guys as trade bait. With a competent GM, we might be able to actually address some other areas of need instead of sitting one good pass catching TE on the bench while the other one is playing.

[akhhorus]

No, Iceman has a point. There has been some talk about fans not liking Cooley as much as say last year. It all started after the Rams game I believe. The fans were booing after a win and Cooley decided to let it be known via his blog just what he thought of those fans who were unhappy with a 9-7 victory.

That was several weeks ago, and the fans have been very complementary of Cooley since then. I don't know what's happened recently to provoke anything.

[tuckahoeskin]

The only time the fans, from what I've seen, have criticized Cooley was when he ripped the fans on his blog for booing the skins. And he deserved it then. There is a very legitimate question of what to do with Davis/Cooley moving forward with Davis' emergence at TE. But speculating about who to trade(if either) isn't turning one's back on a player, its honest discussion.

Agree.

BTW, after reading my post again I should have made it more plain the I was responsing to the OP. I quoted your post in agreement.

[CarMike]

That was several weeks ago, and the fans have been very complementary of Cooley since then. I don't know what's happened recently to provoke anything.

That's true. Nothing from what I know, which is very little. ;)

I guess since csquareds thread is where people may get the idea that Cooley isn't liked any more. :whoknows:

[Ibleedburgundy]

I think the OP is referring to the trade Cooley talk. I honestly don't think that's a knock on him. It's a knock on the team. In some people's estimation, this team is several years away from being good. That means by the time they are contending, Cooley will be into his 30s and perhaps not as effective as he is now. So you get some value at his peak and line up your draft picks to maximize results when the team will actually be good. Right now Cooley is a great player on a crappy team but he has a lot of value.

[Keino]

Secondly Cooley represents one of the few players with genuine trade value. We have a team with multiple holes and could do with what he likely would bring in a trade. I personally do not believe you should weaken a position with genuine strength but it is a reasoned argument and has some merit.

And this is an argument I have advanced, but not because I don't love Cooley as a Redskin, but because I want to see the Redskins as a team improve and I don't really care if it is at the expense of various individual players. I am a huge Portis fan, he is probably my favorite Redskin player on offense, but my loyalty is to the team first. If we can get some RB poor team to give us some value that improves the team, I am all for parting ways with CP. Same goes for Cooley.

I also think that our fanbase overrates Cooley, but that is a different discussion. His blocking is almost as bad as Fred Davis'.

[CNYSkinFan]

Everyone is on the block this offsseason, Cooley, p[ortis, moss have to be worried.

That beign said, Cooley and Davis would be a formidable team and if we got a two te offensive minded coach or even a version of the h-back you could see both on the field alot. Espescially if Sellers is shown the door and either Davis or Cooley move back there to FB/h-back

Cooley is a great skin, but he is also one of the few skins who have value in the trade market as well as a moveable contract

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Not to call anyone specific out, but I have also seen posters complaining about his website and videos thinking it takes his focus away from being a football player.

I personally don't care what he does with his free time so long as he is a hard worker when he should be working. He never misses practice, offseason training, OTA's or anything else. I have no complaints about him.

I am still just a big of fan of his today as in the past.

[CarMike]

I also think that our fanbase overrates Cooley, but that is a different discussion. His blocking is almost as bad as Fred Davis'.
These past two or three games I've been impressed with Davis blocking. I think he has gotten a lot better. Way better than Cooley IMO.

I also liked the story they told during the game last week. They stated that Davis was ready to head back to USC for a game. [redskins bye week] But when Cooley got injured, he stayed in DC once he found out he would be getting more work. So he passed on his trip and was at Redskins Park every day working out in the weight room and watching film.

[FunBunch5]

I don't think people have soured on Cooley, but I think people are seeing there is more upside with Davis. Therefore, if we have to get rid of one, lets get rid of the older one (Cooley) while he still has value.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

I love Chris Cooley. I can see Bruce Allen getting rid of him like he did Warren Sapp in Tampa but I really, really, really hope he doesn't.

[redcayman]

I have'nt seen much venom for Cooley but as other posters have stated he represents one of the only pieces that actually has trade value. That being said he is the face of the franchise it would be hard to trade him. It wouldn't surprise me if we did though. I would love to see him stay I don't believe you get rid of young building block for an unknown.

[csquared]

Huh? Where did this come from? Sure i started my thread. That doesn't mean im turning my back on him. Its all about improving this franchise. Cooley is the only jersey i wear.

With all that said i did lose respect for him when he ripped fans via his blog. And even went so far to make fun of fans.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Huh? Where did this come from? Sure i started my thread. That doesn't mean im turning my back on him. Its all about improving this franchise. Cooley is the only jersey i wear.

With all that said i did lose respect for him when he ripped fans via his blog. And even went so far to make fun of fans.

+1.

[Patrick]

Haven't seen the hR fandom turning away from Cooley. IF nothing else, pointing out that he's about the only player with any trade value kind of elevates him above the other players. ........ IMO, Cooley's return next season and FD's development could be a huge weapon for the Skins.

[CarMike]

Haven't seen the hR fandom turning away from Cooley. IF nothing else, pointing out that he's about the only player with any trade value kind of elevates him above the other players. ........ IMO, Cooley's return next season and FD's development could be a huge weapon for the Skins.

Yes, as long as the new HC can find a way to play both at the same time.

[hail2skins]

I haven't witnessed what the OP is talking about either. Yeah, he did have that one incident ripping the fans but we also had Portis with his antics and people accepted it because he produced. Well, so did Cooley.

I'm not on the trade him train. Yeah he has value and this team has holes to fill but I wouldn't fill them at his expense. I think he brings more value as a weapon on offense. He and Davis can become a great tandem if used appropriately. Let's draft some people to fill those other positions like we did with Cooley and Davis.

[wide_awake]

Seriously though. I think most of us still like Cooley and look forward to his return. Don't misread things.

He is not misreading things, I saw it to. Mostly in all the hypothetical scenarios involving making this team better there were PLENTY of "trade Cooley for a draft pick" comments.



And for the record, I wouldn't even consider trading Chris Cooley. I think about it, it hurts, and I don't let the thought run through my mind again.

[akhhorus]

He is not misreading things, I saw it to. Mostly in all the hypothetical scenarios involving making this team better there were PLENTY of "trade Cooley for a draft pick" comments.



And for the record, I wouldn't even consider trading Chris Cooley. I think about it, it hurts, and I don't let the thought run through my mind again.

The skins can't consider dealing/cutting Cooley because of the cap. Same for Portis, but that doesn't stop the original poster from advocating that constantly.

[wide_awake]

The skins can't consider dealing/cutting Cooley because of the cap. Same for Portis, but that doesn't stop the original poster from advocating that constantly.

I understand (I've heard you say this a few times) but the point isn't the feasibility of it but how quick so many on these boards are to suggesting it.

[zeps067]

i still really like cooley..and cant wait to c the matchup problems that he and davis create

[bigmike7914]

No one has turned their backs on Cooley it's just been a out of sight out of mind situation especially how Fred Davis has been performing.

[Keino]

He is not misreading things, I saw it to. Mostly in all the hypothetical scenarios involving making this team better there were PLENTY of "trade Cooley for a draft pick" comments.



And for the record, I wouldn't even consider trading Chris Cooley. I think about it, it hurts, and I don't let the thought run through my mind again.

Suggesting a trade of the only player on the team with trade value is not close to turning our backs on the player in question.

We would be foolish to not take a deal in which we were offered a 1st or 2nd for Cooley when we have so many holes on our line and a younger, pretty good looking pass catching TE on the roster.

It's business, not personal. Leave emotion at the door.

[akhhorus]

I understand (I've heard you say this a few times) but the point isn't the feasibility of it but how quick so many on these boards are to suggesting it.

The only reason anyone is discussing it is because of the potential uncapped year.

And this is a business, if someone offered the Skins a good deal for any player that they could trade capwise, they should consider it.

[Goskins11]

As far as I can tell before Chris Cooley got hurt, he was the Redskins most popular player by a far and wide margin. With that said, I would love to know why so many fans here at HR have just turned their backs on him. The guy broke his ankle. He didn't quit on the team, act like a jerk, refuse to practice, or mouth off to reporters. He simply got hurt. I find it hard to fathom that people are so quick to just get rid of him now. He is one of the few good, young, bright spots on this team. Yes Davis is playing great, but can you imagine how dangerous they could be on the field together? I'm curious to know what you guys and gals think about this. In all the threads I have read lately about the future, noone ever lists Cooley as a keeper and I don't know why.

I'm still a huge cooley supporter. wouldn't that be awesome to have a 2 TE formation. this is excitiing posibility

[guess88]

The only reason people are bringing up the possibility of trading Cooley, is the steady emergence of Davis. I don't remember what Davis's contract is like, but I doubt it's huge, and think we'd evaluate him for at least one more year before we give him any type of contract extension, and part ways with one of our most reliable and talented players on the whole roster.

I say a duo of Cooley and Davis lasts at least one more year, and then, if Davis show's this year isn't a fluke, Cooley becomes great trade bait (but hopefully stays, because I dream good things about 2 stud TE's)

[joethefan]

I also think that our fanbase overrates Cooley, but that is a different discussion. His blocking is almost as bad as Fred Davis'.


BANG!!!!

[smoak]

That's true. Nothing from what I know, which is very little. ;)

I guess since csquareds thread is where people may get the idea that Cooley isn't liked any more. :whoknows:

I still love Cooley, and I look forward to seeing him get back on the field. Hopefully Fred Davis isn't going anywhere though...

[flave1969]

Yes, as long as the new HC can find a way to play both at the same time.

Should be able to, especially as Davis plays like a big Wideout. You can really move him around in the formations.

[skin4ever]

I also think that our fanbase overrates Cooley, but that is a different discussion. His blocking is almost as bad as Fred Davis'.

I dont know that its overrating, just that Cooley is a consistent effective productive player on an otherwise inconsistent, inefficient and unproductive offense. Just as CP is(to some) and certainly was to all of us.

That said, no one on this team is untradeable(excluding financial reasons), except for maybe Orakpo that guy could be real special.

[BurgundyNGold]

Ever since Cooley broke his ankle, I don't consider him a Redskin anymore. Somehow, now he seems vulnerable. Plus, he never dances in the endzone or after getting a first down. Fred Davis is a major upgrade there. Since the injury, Fred Davis has learned how to block at a pro bowl level and, of course, Cooley has no arms. I'll be happy when we trade him for Brandon Lloyd.

:rolleyes:

[dj_stouty]

I love Cooley just as much as I do Portis...and I think both could be solid contributors in 2010...however, I am open to all possibilities even if that means trading them. Although, I doubt either one would garner a 1st round pick. I personally think Portis has maybe 1 more season left in the tank to perform as an every-down-back...and other teams know this. (He is 28th all time in rushing attempts, btw) He may be able to strive for a few more years in a RBBC situation where he gets half the carries, but I'm not sure if teams are ready to part with a high draft pick for that.

[ElectricRedskin]

Cooley NEEDS to stay. heard rumors of possible trades involving him, mainly from fans and the radio (nothing legit), but I love Cooley and would be crushed if this actually happened.

[Goskins11]

Cooley NEEDS to stay. heard rumors of possible trades involving him, mainly from fans and the radio (nothing legit), but I love Cooley and would be crushed if this actually happened.

i like cooley too as i posted earlier, but i've been thinking...if the skins can get more picks by trading him and becoming closer to a real contender( even though it will most likely take 3 years) i am all for it. like i said like cooley a lot, but would love to see the team hold the lombardi trophy sometime in the next decade or atleast be a consistant playoff team.