According to Peter King..

[rskinsfan10]

..you guys are sensitive.

In each of his first three games as a Panther, Davis rushed for more than 100 yards, and I wrote, "See what you're missing in Stephen Davis, Steve Spurrier?" That's "blasting"? I have covered the NFL for 20 years, and I've found there are few fan bases as sensitive as Washington's. One other thing: You point out that two players who have each played five games have essentially the same yardage as one player has amassed in four games. Not a fair fight, is it?

[NamVet4]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
..you guys are sensitive.

I have covered the NFL for 20 years, :banghead:

Yes, Mr. King, you have covered the NFL for twenty years. You have covered it like acne, erupting as an unslightly blemish on a pristine skin. Your observations, evaluations, comments and strategies are puss laden with twisted facts, bordering on untruths, and you persist in an egotistical rant. Your maniacal assertions inflame many people.You are a legend in your own mind! It is a shame there isn't a "vanishing" cream that would make you go away!
'Nough said!

[BigCountry]

He's right though. He was actually holding back compared to what I think about the decision.

We WILL pay for it if we're not already.

[Redbeard]

Originally posted by NamVet4
:banghead:

Yes, Mr. King, you have covered the NFL for twenty years. You have covered it like acne, erupting as an unslightly blemish on a pristine skin. Your observations, evaluations, comments and strategies are puss laden with twisted facts, bordering on untruths, and you persist in an egotistical rant. Your maniacal assertions inflame many people.You are a legend in your own mind! It is a shame there isn't a "vanishing" cream that would make you go away!
'Nough said!

I think "acne" is being charitable. Considering the assortment of rashes that one can get from a Peter (King or otherwise).

Anyway, anyone tell him Carolina is paying Davis less than half of what he'd be getting here? Terry Allen outpreformed Davis with a worse line & when TA wanted the money, the front office was right to let him go to, too.

He shouldn't count his chickens before they hatch. When Carolina can boast playoff wins then he can make half the argument (still can't make the $ argument). Right now he can't make either argument.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I'd rather read commentary from the guy from "King" of Queens or Jerry "the King" Lawler or the "king" of pop anyone but Petey.I don't agree with the decesion to cut SD.I was a big fan but the Panthers arent having to pay him 7 million a year and i dont think he wanted to play in the fun and gun.He sure stopped trying to hold on to the ball last year and we would be stronger if we had him but we are making the transition just fine SD has a couple of really good years left at his current level.We are a younger up and coming team and SD is on a team with a QB that couldnt win us 6 games all year.He is the focal point of their offense and thats what he needs just as he had under Marty.

[jporterweb]

Davis is good if he is in a system that suits him. We have two RB's running near as good as he did, and they stay fresh, and that makes them better even if they don't get the same yardage as him. Why? Cause they do what he couldn't do in this offense.

[BigCountry]

Our two running backs can't hold his jock strap, with all due respect. Davis would be great in any system, as we've already seen.

[Spence]

Davis is a top MVP candidate right now. He's an incredible stud. If he doesn't fit your system, you need to ask if you've got the right system.

[Minnesota Mike]

Originally posted by Spence
Davis is a top MVP candidate right now. He's an incredible stud. If he doesn't fit your system, you need to ask if you've got the right system.


AMEN!

[PennSkinsFan]

Davis is awesome, but what good woudl he be here? 50 passes, 21 rushes? What we nee dto worry about is focusing on the running backs that are here. Davis weas too expensive, keeping him woudl not have landed us Coles and Hall. He was nto willing to renegotiate, that is that. It was a choice from a team standpoint that was easy. We will face a similiar decision with Champ as well.

[Smiley]

I love Stephen Davis as a Redskin fan. But how long was he here? He lost something last year.....desire to play for the Skins. Last year I saw a 3rd and 1 play that told me Stephen was not happy in the situation. Time to let him go. He's not made for this offense, not sure Canidate is either but we'll find out. Davis has found his style once again with Cqrolina. Good for him. We will move on and win some games.

[BigCountry]

If he would have got the carries, maybe we would have actually won more games and he would have taken a pay cut. No player is gonna take a pay cut when he knows he's gonna get 15 carries a game. Spurrier has adjusted and he deserves credit for that, but he adjusted too late to keep Davis around.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I agree to some extent with you guys BC and Spence on the fact Davis excelled in a variety of systems in Washington and now in carolina.I guess what i was trying to say is HE wasn't going to be happy in a SS Offense.If $ and other things(fumbles,desire to be here, SS,etc.)were not a factor i would say we shouldve never let him go.I still play with him on my team in Madden.He was my favorite back since Riggins.I didn't like getting rid of Brad Johnson for JG anymore than than replacing Davis wth Trung but it was inevitable.IMO there was no way SD was taking the kind of pay cut he would have had to to stay here.He stopped trying midyear last year and wouldn't even hold onto the ball.We got Coles,Thomas,Morton and Hall instead.Over the next few years if SS sticks it out and this team finds more discipline it won't matter.

[dj_stouty]

The Redskins are a better team without Davis and the PAnthers are a better team with Davis. Win/Win situation, IMO.

Aside from '99, we sucked when Norv had Davis running the 20 times per game. So, how much different would it have been had Spurrier ran him 20x per game?

Hell...we currently have a winning record. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Its as if you guys think we would be undefeated if Davis was on our team.

BTW - Peter King is an $!@#@#@!.

[NamVet4]

Originally posted by Spence
Davis is a top MVP candidate right now. He's an incredible stud. If he doesn't fit your system, you need to ask if you've got the right system.

"if you've got the right system".... Last year, Coach Spurrier and Dan Snyder made a conscious decision to rework the personnel that fit the right system - the one Coach Spurrier told DS would work. This doesn’t mean we had bad players, quite the contrary as evidenced by Mr. Davis success at Carolina. What we needed were players that were a better fit for the system.
I believe we have the right system, though execution leaves a little bit to be desired :D , and they will adjust the player personnel to conform to this winning system.
Overall, to me, this is a little like the chicken and the egg conundrum – but at some point and time you must define a starting point. Danny Boy defined that point, at least for me, when he hired Coach Spurrier, knowing full well what type of coach he is and the system he espoused. He then reinforced that decision by going after the personnel to accommodate that system. That required personnel changes.
The results of this effort will be determined sometime in late December, 2003 and perhaps, with a little luck, early January 2004!

[Keino]

Um DJ, Davis had 3 straight 1300 Plus Yardage Seasons. I do't think he sucked at all, Spurrier didn't use him correctly and Fox is. It's that Simple. Both teams are better off as we could not afford to pay Davis what he was scheduled to make.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by Keino
Um DJ, Davis had 3 straight 1300 Plus Yardage Seasons. I do't think he sucked at all, Spurrier didn't use him correctly and Fox is. It's that Simple. Both teams are better off as we could not afford to pay Davis what he was scheduled to make.

I didn't say Davis sucked. I said we sucked, even with Stephen Davis getting plenty of reps. (See below) If you suck long enough, you gotta try something different.

Aside from '99, we sucked when Norv had Davis running the 20 times per game

[rskinsfan10]

Folks,

As much as I love SD, I didn't create this thread for this to turn into a debate over whether or not we should have kept him, although most here know my feelings about the matter.

Let's not get sidetracked from the purpose of this thread. King says that he has seen few fan bases as sensitive as ours. Please don't forget where the darts should be intended as far as this subject is concerned.:D

[skinswin'emALL]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Folks,

As much as I love SD, I didn't create this thread for this to turn into a debate over whether or not we should have kept him, although most here know my feelings about the matter.

Let's not get sidetracked from the purpose of this thread. King says that he has seen few fan bases as sensitive as ours. Please don't forget where the darts should be intended as far as this subject is concerned.:D

King is a Giants and Jets fan -- how can anything he's says about other teams fans be taken seriously.

For all we know he's one of the many "trolls" we've had around here. He certainly knows about as much about football and football fans as any of them.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Let's be clear here. Carolina runs a pound-it-in, ball control offense. We do not. Carolina's entire goal on offense is to punch the defense in the mouth. Ours is not. Yes, Stephen Davis has 550+ yards, but our offense has the most big plays (the official definition being any play that gains more than 20 yards) in the league. Davis' longest run last year was 33 yards, and came in Week 15. He fits in Carolina. Our pieces fit here. He may have been able to grind out some otugh yards when we needed them, but could he have pulled that slick move Canidate did against the Pats? No way. Let's no argue with success vs. success.

One more little factoid: Stephen Davis has more yards than the entire Carolina passing game (469). Raise your hand if you think we'd be as successful with that statistic.

Now, as for the point of this whole thread... yeah, King's a bit biased. But, hell, I still like reading his column. He's entertaining. That's what I read MMQB for. If I wanted some great writing about how the Redskins are a playoff team, I'd come here.

[rskinsfan10]

So JDS, are you entertained by King's assertion that you (along with myself) are sensitive?

[Redbeard]

I don't care what King says (that's how oversensitive I am not).
But come to think of it... most fans are. As a fellow fan you couldn't tell the Davis/Tre/Thrash/Gus bandwagagons those guys just aren't the second coming of greatness. With out being on recieving end of a lithium moment.

And Gardner now - 71 catches! He rules! Don't say anything bad about him (uh... drops? disapears?) He was double-teamed, (who has ever double-teamed Gardner??)

Anyway sorry Mr. King I know who you are talking about.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
So JDS, are you entertained by King's assertion that you (along with myself) are sensitive?

Heck, I'll admit it. I'm sensitive about criticism of my Skins. So shoot me.

[Redbeard]

OK, I'm sensitive about criticism to the defense. I admit it, too.

(O still needs work, but we're getting there)

[hail2skins]

Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater King is an azz. I wish inside the NFL would interview his fat azz standing up.

How's that for sensitive?

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Heck, I'll admit it. I'm sensitive about criticism of my Skins. So shoot me.

I'll tell him that you have invited him to shoot you.

My point with this is, I don't feel that we are any more sensitive or passionate about our squad then any other fan base, at least not from what I can tell. If he is a Jets fan like someone said earlier, he needs to take a look at some of his fellow fans message boards if he wants to talk about sensitive.

[Redbeard]

We might be, just because we're one of the storied franchises (we've won more than our fair share of championships) and we're not suppose to suck or even be average. Like the have-nots of the league: Philly, Minny, Atlanta, Detroit, San Diego, Arizona, KC, Cincy, Seatle, etc.

[Spence]

Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatics are notoriously think-skinned. In other words, to be a fan is to be thin-skinned. If Mr King is asserting that Redskins fans are unusually sensitive, I'd like to know why he thinks so.

You know what else is sensitive? A person's ass after I kick it 10 or 12 times. Clench your teeth, Mr King.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by Spence
You know what else is sensitive? A person's ass after I kick it 10 or 12 times. Clench your teeth, Mr King.

I'll hold him for ya, Spence.

[Patrick]

Spence almost got it (depending on how you want to look at it)

FAN (n) a person enthusiastic about a specified sport, pastime , or performer; devotee.
FANATIC (adj) Latin for fanaticus, of temple, hence ethusiastic, inspired, unreasonably ethusiastic; overly zealous.

So Mr King must be saying that we are Fanatic Fan, which is why we are overly sensitive. Hmmmmm.... , Whatever!

So, LETS get on with the game and while your up, pass me a beer!