DFA: Akh's Draft Preview

[akhhorus]

Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/draft-preview/)

Guff on!

[skins4life24]

Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/draft-preview/)

Guff on!

greg hardy over morgan from GT? . . . could you be more specific about the reasons for this.

[JasonCampbell]

Why is Navarro Bowman a risk?

[akhhorus]

greg hardy over morgan from GT? . . . could you be more specific about the reasons for this.

Hardy is a better NFL prospect. Morgan has speed, but disappears. Hardy's played well for the last couple years even basically being hurt for that time. And Hardy is much more polished than Morgan is. Physically, I'll take Hardy: he's fairly big and still fast.

Why is Navarro Bowman a risk?

The multiple arrests, and smoking pot on probation was the red flag for me lol.

[RedskinsReaper21]

Thanks for the good preview...havent been able to watch any college games in a while.

You have Arrelious Benn listed twice...

[dogfight6]

Two Questions #1 In a perfect world who do you take at 4 knowing Suh is gone? #2 do you personally stay at 4 or move down?

[akhhorus]

Thanks for the good preview...havent been able to watch any college games in a while.

You have Arrelious Benn listed twice...

Thanks, I corrected that.

Two Questions #1 In a perfect world who do you take at 4 knowing Suh is gone? #2 do you personally stay at 4 or move down?

#1: Bradford
#2: Stay at 4 unless someone is willing to pay 250 cents on the dollar(for example a first in the 12-16 range, 2 2nds and something else).

[JasonCampbell]

The multiple arrests, and smoking pot on probation was the red flag for me lol.

shoot, I forgot about that...probably because he never missed significant time while playing at PSU, lol. A lot of his troubles came right after his dad and former high school coach died.

You don't see anything wrong with him on the field though?

[akhhorus]

shoot, I forgot about that...probably because he never missed significant time while playing at PSU, lol. A lot of his troubles came right after his dad and former high school coach died.

You don't see anything wrong with him on the field though?

Small for an OLB. Good speed/skills, but you really have to wonder about his head.

[esmith1790]

Great job as always. Hard work should never go un-noticed. As for the Cowboys you have, Jared Veldheer listed but i didnt see him in your rankings above.

[akhhorus]

Great job as always. Hard work should never go un-noticed. As for the Cowboys you have, Jared Veldheer listed but i didnt see him in your rankings above.

Thanks. I don't think Veldheer is a top prospect at his position, but I think the Cowboys could talk themselves into him(or Adam Ulatoski) since they seem to prefer their Oline to be more a goon squad.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Wow, my support for Okung as the pick, maybe changing if he is going to be a risky pick, we'd be better off going with Bradford then. I don't know, it just seems like at #4 someone should stand out as the guy that is rated there and is going to be picked there. If we did go with Bradford at #4, maybe we could get one of the OT's like Charles Brown from USC in the second, but I am hoping Shanahan will make some smart choices.

[akhhorus]

Wow, my support for Okung as the pick, maybe changing if he is going to be a risky pick, we'd be better off going with Bradford then. I don't know, it just seems like at #4 someone should stand out as the guy that is rated there and is going to be picked there. If we did go with Bradford at #4, maybe we could get one of the OT's like Charles Brown from USC in the second, but I am hoping Shanahan will make some smart choices.

There's a lot to like about Okung as a prospect, but there's also not to like about him. His footwork needs a lot of work, he's probably a Right Tackle in the NFL and I don't know how much potential he has. He reminds me a lot of Brandon Albert(only not as good), and thats not a player I would want the skins to take in the 1st round. Brown, Fox and Capers could/should all be available when the skins pick in round 2.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Akh,
so are you convinced that Bradford should be the pick? Of course as long as Suh is off the board.

[akhhorus]

Akh,
so are you convinced that Bradford should be the pick? Of course as long as Suh is off the board.

If we draft the best OLman in the 2nd round and sign some OL starters in free agency, I think he's the best pick for the skins. There's no way on God's Green Earth Suh makes it past Detroit.

[shally]

There's a lot to like about Okung as a prospect, but there's also not to like about him. His footwork needs a lot of work, he's probably a Right Tackle in the NFL and I don't know how much potential he has. He reminds me a lot of Brandon Albert(only not as good), and thats not a player I would want the skins to take in the 1st round. Brown, Fox and Capers could/should all be available when the skins pick in round 2.

i think Albert is an excellent comparison..he has not been as good as hoped . coming out he was thought to be an elite prospect..

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

i think Albert is an excellent comparison..he has not been as good as hoped . coming out he was thought to be an elite prospect..
In defence of Albert he was considered elite at OG and the Chefs are playing him at LT.

Good work, AKH. I am curious on your assessment of Asamoah as a risky pick. I haven't seen him play but he sure has great measurables (big & athletic).

If I had to pick a dream scenario it would a trade down to the 8-10 range to get extra picks and draft Baluga. I think he is at least as good as Okung and fits the ZBS better.

[shane88]

Akh, as usual, nicely done my friend. Insightful, well thought out, and to the point. Thanks for your efforts, once again.:beer:

[akhhorus]

i think Albert is an excellent comparison..he has not been as good as hoped . coming out he was thought to be an elite prospect..

Yeah, Albert probably should be an OG. Okung might be the same.

In defence of Albert he was considered elite at OG and the Chefs are playing him at LT.

Good work, AKH. I am curious on your assessment of Asamoah as a risky pick. I haven't seen him play but he sure has great measurables (big & athletic).

If I had to pick a dream scenario it would a trade down to the 8-10 range to get extra picks and draft Baluga. I think he is at least as good as Okung and fits the ZBS better.

Asamoah has got "Future Oakland Raider" written all over him. He's big & fast, but has no technique.

Akh, as usual, nicely done my friend. Insightful, well thought out, and to the point. Thanks for your efforts, once again.:beer:

Thanks man.

[skin4ever]

If we draft the best OLman in the 2nd round and sign some OL starters in free agency, I think he's the best pick for the skins. There's no way on God's Green Earth Suh makes it past Detroit.

+1. This draft seems deep enough at OL to make that happen. That and there should be some good vets thru FA available.

On another note, I have visited your preview a few times and gained some good knowledge about the players available and talent level. Thanks.

However, Tebow being looked at by more than one team as their first rd pick? If thats the case, JC should be getting some good offers as he will be cheaper than that, in terms of contract price.

Another thing, you mentioned Rookie wage scale leading to trades, I have thought the same thing. If there is a Rookie wage scale, do you think the price of the teams seeking our first rd pick goes higher than it has in the past? Moreover, (as you seem to have good knowledge of the CBA etc.) is it more beneficial to our team to have the deal worked out or go cap free, and then as we know will happen, work out a deal later. What i mean by this is, is it better to gain a lot of value with trading out of the 5th pick or cleaning out the contracts we have been stuck with.

Wish i could talk about the players, but didnt really watch any college ball this season.

[SkinKing]

Sam Bradford should be put in the risky list.. Primarily played from the shotgun spread offense, injury prone, questionable arm strength. Great accuracy though. Any QB drafted in the top 10 is a risk!

Arrelious Benn is probably the best WR in this draft. Not his fault Mike Locksley left the program. Ill QB was awful. Benn will be a very solid pro.

Sam Young is a talent, but better suited for RT instead of LT. Was thrown in there as a true freshman. I think he has a solid NFL career.

Anthony Davis is still a baby, leaving a year early for sure. I would put him in the risky section instead of "stay away" category. Very solid guard who I wish would fall to the 2nd round but not happening..

Everything else you said looks solid.. Nice job..

[akhhorus]

Sam Bradford should be put in the risky list.. Primarily played from the shotgun spread offense, injury prone, questionable arm strength. Great accuracy though

Two injuries of the same shoulder in a few weeks doesn't make him injury prone. He didn't miss any games in 2007 or 2008 either. And his arm strength is fine.

Any QB drafted in the top 10 is a risk!


You can say that about every player regardless of position in the top 10..or the first round..or in the draft lol.

Arrelious Benn is probably the best WR in this draft. Not his fault Mike Locksley left the program. Ill QB was awful. Benn will be a very solid pro.

Benn has the worst hands in the draft, that has little to do with the Qb. He has the speed/quickness, but runs terrible routes and couldn't catch a beachball.

Sam Young is a talent, but better suited for RT instead of LT. Was thrown in there as a true freshman. I think he has a solid NFL career.

Young got exposed as a fraud this year. He has no technique and terrible footwork. If he came out last year, he would have been a well payed 1st round bust. I would be surprised to see him drafted right now.

[Hr fan]

In order, you can not imagine how much I and others rely on your knowledge/opinions.

What are the chances that the NFL mandates a rookie cap or the union agrees to one (would please veterans hugely) even if no CBA is signed? This would make #4 much more tradeable if the fo doesn't see a franchise qb available, wouldn't it?

Flat out, is Bradford franchise in your opinion? If not, where or do you see us taking a qb, and if so what suspects?

What do you think of the USC center and where will he go (I am not a Rabach fan)?

Your listing Gerhart as #3 but your 4th round pick for us was Gerhart. Why will he last so long, and how abreviated do you think his running style will make his career?

Thanks, expecially for the fine work on such a consistent basis.

[akhhorus]

In order, you can not imagine how much I and others rely on your knowledge/opinions.

Appreciated man.

What are the chances that the NFL mandates a rookie cap or the union agrees to one (would please veterans hugely) even if no CBA is signed? This would make #4 much more tradeable if the fo doesn't see a franchise qb available, wouldn't it?


It would, as for the chances of it happening..hard to say. I don't know if they can institute it this year.

Flat out, is Bradford franchise in your opinion? If not, where or do you see us taking a qb, and if so what suspects?


Flat out, I think Bradford is.

What do you think of the USC center and where will he go (I am not a Rabach fan)?


I think we signed our Center with Lichtensteiger. I don't think much of Byers. O'Dowd is staying in school I believe.

Your listing Gerhart as #3 but your 4th round pick for us was Gerhart. Why will he last so long, and how abreviated do you think his running style will make his career?


That was an old mock of mine. I think his career length depends on what kind of offense he gets with, but I don't think he can be a bruising type Rb in the pros.

Thanks, expecially for the fine work on such a consistent basis.

Appreciated.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Ahk...you may have written this b4 and its not technically a draft question...but who on our o-line fits a zone-blocking scheme..it thats where we are headed. Who would be good FA pickups and best late round picks for that. thanks and great write up as always.

[akhhorus]

Ahk...you may have written this b4 and its not technically a draft question...but who on our o-line fits a zone-blocking scheme..it thats where we are headed. Who would be good FA pickups and best late round picks for that. thanks and great write up as always.

Thanks man. Well, any free agent Olinemen with ties to Atlanta, Denver and Houston would be obvious targets(The skins should go after Ben Hamilton and Chris Kuper imo). As for the draft, here's my list of OTs who would fit a zone block scheme:
Charles Brown
Bulaga
Zane Beadles
Selvin Capers
Jason Fox
Derek Hardman
Ed Wang
Kevin Haslam
James Williams

[VegasSkinsFan]

Thanks man. Well, any free agent Olinemen with ties to Atlanta, Denver and Houston would be obvious targets(The skins should go after Ben Hamilton and Chris Kuper imo). As for the draft, here's my list of OTs who would fit a zone block scheme:
Charles Brown
Bulaga
Zane Beadles
Selvin Capers
Jason Fox
Derek Hardman
Ed Wang
Kevin Haslam
James Williams

I agree with both your FA targets and those guys ( which we should not have a problem getting 2 of the above in this draft ). Anyone on our current roster look like a fit...especially the younger guys like rinehart or williams the center...even if it is only as a backup? Or would Levi Jones work at RT in a zbs. i think with your above scenario we can rebuild the oline this year. GO SKINS !!!!

[akhhorus]

I agree with both your FA targets and those guys ( which we should not have a problem getting 2 of the above in this draft ). Anyone on our current roster look like a fit...especially the younger guys like rinehart or williams the center...even if it is only as a backup? Or would Levi Jones work at RT in a zbs. i think with your above scenario we can rebuild the oline this year. GO SKINS !!!!

Jones might fit at RT. Dockery probably will be an unmitigated disaster in the Zone block(and I think he'll be cut if there's no cap).

[redcayman]

Great write up! You have given me a few players I was not familiar with I'll have to look up. You have Snead as the second best QB what makes him better in your eyes than Clausen? Plus if Bradford is the real deal I cant see the Rams passing on him.

[skins4life24]

Akh

What do you think about Blair White from MSU, I may be a little biased because I am an alumni but I have watched him play his way from a walk on to the #1 WR there and while he won't blow you away with measurables and speed but he is a great competitor and always seems to be open. Late round or UDFA possibility?

Once again thanks for all the input you put in to these columns.

[JasonCampbell]

akh, what are your thoughts on PSU TE Quarless? He was a pretty big underachiever and seems to have much more talent than his production shows over the course of his stay at State College, but he came on nicely his senior year.

[akhhorus]

Great write up! You have given me a few players I was not familiar with I'll have to look up. You have Snead as the second best QB what makes him better in your eyes than Clausen? Plus if Bradford is the real deal I cant see the Rams passing on him.

Thanks man.

I think Snead has as much(if not more) potential than even Bradford, but you have to realize that he needs to sit for a year or two with a good QB coach. I actually wouldn't be sad if the skins drafted Bulaga in round 1 and Snead in round 2, then let someone like Kitna play until Snead was ready.

I think the Rams are leaning towards Suh right now. They need a Qb badly, but I think they would be heavily in the Jason Campbell sweepstakes. I don't think Spags wants to be dependent on a rookie QB right now while Suh would tear up the league in Detroit.

Akh

What do you think about Blair White from MSU, I may be a little biased because I am an alumni but I have watched him play his way from a walk on to the #1 WR there and while he won't blow you away with measurables and speed but he is a great competitor and always seems to be open. Late round or UDFA possibility?

Once again thanks for all the input you put in to these columns.

Thanks man. White was actually my last cut at WR. I think he needs to show great route running/hands, but he could find a niche in the NFL if he can show those as a Y WR.

akh, what are your thoughts on PSU TE Quarless? He was a pretty big underachiever and seems to have much more talent than his production shows over the course of his stay at State College, but he came on nicely his senior year.

Underachiever, but he needs to have a good combine/interviews. He has the physical tools for certain.

[shally]

Thanks man.

I think Snead has as much(if not more) potential than even Bradford, but you have to realize that he needs to sit for a year or two with a good QB coach. I actually wouldn't be sad if the skins drafted Bulaga in round 1 and Snead in round 2, then let someone like Kitna play until Snead was ready.

I think the Rams are leaning towards Suh right now. They need a Qb badly, but I think they would be heavily in the Jason Campbell sweepstakes. I don't think Spags wants to be dependent on a rookie QB right now while Suh would tear up the league in Detroit.



Thanks man. White was actually my last cut at WR. I think he needs to show great route running/hands, but he could find a niche in the NFL if he can show those as a Y WR.



Underachiever, but he needs to have a good combine/interviews. He has the physical tools for certain.

watch what the Rams do in the first couple of weeks of free agency in March..
if they go after a guy like Delhomme or Campbell, they wont be going after a QB with their pick and i think the Redskins will have the choice between
Clausen or Bradford.

if they go after a guy like Kitna who is purely a stop gap guy, then i think they will take Clausen.

it is hard for me to believe that Spagnuolo wouldnt want to have someone like Suh to anchor his defense, but they HAVE to do something at the QB position because right now they have nothing. Spags could survive one year with the top pick overall, but another campaign that finishes 2-14 or 3-13, and he might not survive

i can also see Spags going after Suh and using their next pick on someone like Snead, Pike or McCoy..

we might also get some clue as to what Shanahan is going to do with the QB position by what transpires in March.. hopefully the Campbell situation will be
sorted out by then.. if we were to pick up an extra second rounder for him we would be in a great spot.. it would allow us the flexibility of having a draft
using the 1,2,2 combo for
QB, T, G
T, QB, G

i would love to end up with a combination of Iupati, plus whichever tackle slides into the top of the second round. Bulaga wont, but maybe Campbell might ? Okung worries me at #4.. i dont think he will be a bust, but i dont think he will be the next Ryan Clady-- and that is who we are looking for..

i would prefer in many ways to take a chance on Snead in the second round, over Bradford in the first, because, like you, i think that Snead would benefit immensely from being schooled by the Shanahans for a year..Bradford worries me from the neck DOWN. Snead worries me a little from the neck UP.

i would also have no problems with Shanahan taking a guy like LeFeveur if he falls into the 4th round (i dont think he will, i expect he will have a very solid combine and pro days and will end up in the second round).. and i still like Pike, if at the combines he shows he has decent arm strength and velocity on his throws

[akhhorus]

watch what the Rams do in the first couple of weeks of free agency in March..
if they go after a guy like Delhomme or Campbell, they wont be going after a QB with their pick and i think the Redskins will have the choice between
Clausen or Bradford.

if they go after a guy like Kitna who is purely a stop gap guy, then i think they will take Clausen.

it is hard for me to believe that Spagnuolo wouldnt want to have someone like Suh to anchor his defense, but they HAVE to do something at the QB position because right now they have nothing. Spags could survive one year with the top pick overall, but another campaign that finishes 2-14 or 3-13, and he might not survive

i can also see Spags going after Suh and using their next pick on someone like Snead, Pike or McCoy..


Thats exactly what I think that they will do. Spags probably has 2-3 years before he would get canned, but Suh-by himself-could get them 5 wins. I think that Tony Pike would be on the radar over Snead because of the dome thing: 8 games a year in a dome+1 in Arizona.

we might also get some clue as to what Shanahan is going to do with the QB position by what transpires in March.. hopefully the Campbell situation will be sorted out by then.. if we were to pick up an extra second rounder for him we would be in a great spot.. it would allow us the flexibility of having a draft
using the 1,2,2 combo for
QB, T, G
T, QB, G

i would love to end up with a combination of Iupati, plus whichever tackle slides into the top of the second round. Bulaga wont, but maybe Campbell might ? Okung worries me at #4.. i dont think he will be a bust, but i dont think he will be the next Ryan Clady-- and that is who we are looking for..

i would prefer in many ways to take a chance on Snead in the second round, over Bradford in the first, because, like you, i think that Snead would benefit immensely from being schooled by the Shanahans for a year..Bradford worries me from the neck DOWN. Snead worries me a little from the neck UP.

i would also have no problems with Shanahan taking a guy like LeFeveur if he falls into the 4th round (i dont think he will, i expect he will have a very solid combine and pro days and will end up in the second round).. and i still like Pike, if at the combines he shows he has decent arm strength and velocity on his throws

I think that if the skins dealt Campbell for a 2nd, that they should go with a Qb, an OT and a defender. Especially if they're switching defenses.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Excellent work as usual akh, really impressive. So do you think LaFevour could be a QB we may target a little later assuming we address the OL first? I dont know much about him or whether or not he'd be a good fit for Shanny's O, but I'm all for keeping JC for one year if we cant get picks for him, paying 3mil and some change, and addressing the OL by trading back in the first round.

Bradford's shoulder bothers me and if we tender Los , Rocky and JC but they arent deemed worth the "cost" by other teams I dont think we can afford to go QB that early. There seems to be very little help for the OL or at QB this offseason in free agency with the player movement restrictions. So without the extra picks for our restricted FA's I think we'd be better served trading down from 4 and getting two capable starters for the OL and a QB between rounds 1 and 3. Obviously we have to have a trade partner, so I guess it depends on who's there and how bad a team covets them for my scenario to unfold lol.

One last thing even though its more free agency related...what do you think about the possibility of acquiring Dansby, and does he fit both a 4-3 and a 3-4?

[akhhorus]

Excellent work as usual akh, really impressive. So do you think LaFevour could be a QB we may target a little later assuming we address the OL first? I dont know much about him or whether or not he'd be a good fit for Shanny's O, but I'm all for keeping JC for one year if we cant get picks for him, paying 3mil and some change, and addressing the OL by trading back in the first round.


I doubt LeFevour would be a priority for Shanny. Too much a runner.


One last thing even though its more free agency related...what do you think about the possibility of acquiring Dansby, and does he fit both a 4-3 and a 3-4?

I don't think the Cards will let him go anywhere if Warner retires.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I doubt LeFevour would be a priority for Shanny. Too much a runner.


I don't think the Cards will let him go anywhere if Warner retires.

Gotcha on LeFevour...

Well Dansby seems ready to move on if they dont reach out to him soon...

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2010/01/17/20100117spt-cardinals-karlos-dansby.html

[akhhorus]

Gotcha on LeFevour...

Well Dansby seems ready to move on if they dont reach out to him soon...

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2010/01/17/20100117spt-cardinals-karlos-dansby.html

They can tag him again. Warner retiring would clear up over 10 million on salary, more than enough to sign him.

[shally]

I doubt LeFevour would be a priority for Shanny. Too much a runner.



I don't think the Cards will let him go anywhere if Warner retires.

agree that most of Shannys QB's were pocket guys (Griese/Older Elway/Gus Frerrotte/ Brister)... but not all. the last two Plummer and Cutler could definitely move around well

[NCskinsfanatic]

They can tag him again. Warner retiring would clear up over 10 million on salary, more than enough to sign him.

Thanks for :guillo: my dreams man...lol

[akhhorus]

agree that most of Shannys QB's were pocket guys (Griese/Older Elway/Gus Frerrotte/ Brister)... but not all. the last two Plummer and Cutler could definitely move around well

They were scramblers for certain, but LeFevour is a runner.

[shally]

They were scramblers for certain, but LeFevour is a runner.

12, 905 Career passing yards with a career Rating of 143.7

2940 Career Rushing yardage

sounds like the second coming of Steve Young..

[NCskinsfanatic]

12, 905 Career passing yards with a career Rating of 143.7

2940 Career Rushing yardage

sounds like the second coming of Steve Young..

I'd like some of the second coming of Steve Young at QB...I'd imagine Shanny would too lol.

[akhhorus]

12, 905 Career passing yards with a career Rating of 143.7

2940 Career Rushing yardage

sounds like the second coming of Steve Young..

Yes, but last season he had 10 games with 10 or more rushes. He appears to be a runner(and whenever I've seen him, he really isn't laterally fast).

[VegasSkinsFan]

Saffold looked pretty good yesterday....maybe 3rd round after that effort.

[skinsfan36]

nice job. a couple questions
sneed-you think he had a down year because he was pressing with less talent around him?
dez bryant-5th reciever?
hardy-his polish make him that higly touuted because he was rather meh in the east west shrine practices
great breakdowns as usual

[Waterwolves]

Obviously awesome job it must have taken you a long time to put all this together. Thx

Clausen being the 4th rated QB on your board is pretty wild. He is the #1 rated QB on almost every draft board worth it's salt.

Clausen has played in a pro style offense. He has a big arm, great accuracy, film room rat, and a good leader.

I mean if you rank Bradford over Clausen fine but saying that Clausen is the bigger risk when Bradford has been hurt and hasn't really played in a pro style offense doesn't make sense.

Bradford is clearly the bigger risk.

[joethefan]

Are you really high on bradford given his injury history? and are uyou basing that on Dr. Andrews's reccomendations?

[akhhorus]

nice job. a couple questions
sneed-you think he had a down year because he was pressing with less talent around him?
dez bryant-5th reciever?
hardy-his polish make him that higly touuted because he was rather meh in the east west shrine practices
great breakdowns as usual

In order:
Snead: possible, very possible
Dez: Yup
Hardy: He was, but man there's a lot to like about him

Obviously awesome job it must have taken you a long time to put all this together. Thx

Clausen being the 4th rated QB on your board is pretty wild. He is the #1 rated QB on almost every draft board worth it's salt.

Clausen has played in a pro style offense. He has a big arm, great accuracy, film room rat, and a good leader.

I mean if you rank Bradford over Clausen fine but saying that Clausen is the bigger risk when Bradford has been hurt and hasn't really played in a pro style offense doesn't make sense.

Bradford is clearly the bigger risk.

Claussen also struggled against well coached defenses whenever he faced them and beat up on bad teams to pad his stats, and I think Bradford's arm is better than Claussen's(Bradford's accuracy is light years better than Claussen's btw). Bradford did play in a shotgun spread, but Notre Dame's offense-while Weis coached it-isn't one you would see in the NFL that much either. I just don't understand why anyone is high on Claussen: he's got Brady Quinn with less leadership written all over him.

Are you really high on bradford given his injury history? and are uyou basing that on Dr. Andrews's reccomendations?

If Bradford's shoulder doesn't check out, Shanny shouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, but I think he's the best QB prospect to come out since Rivers.

[shally]

In order:
Snead: possible, very possible
Dez: Yup
Hardy: He was, but man there's a lot to like about him



Claussen also struggled against well coached defenses whenever he faced them and beat up on bad teams to pad his stats, and I think Bradford's arm is better than Claussen's(Bradford's accuracy is light years better than Claussen's btw). Bradford did play in a shotgun spread, but Notre Dame's offense-while Weis coached it-isn't one you would see in the NFL that much either. I just don't understand why anyone is high on Claussen: he's got Brady Quinn with less leadership written all over him.



If Bradford's shoulder doesn't check out, Shanny shouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, but I think he's the best QB prospect to come out since Rivers.

the value of a QB who can make plays and elevate a team cannot be overstated.. BUT, if he is brittle and cannot sustained the kind of pounding he will be subjected to game after game, he is worthless in the long run..look no further than Chad Pennington who could have been a great performer if he could have remained healthy.. he couldnt, so now he is relegated to back up status, or more realistically, a future as a QB coach.

one of the things that has helped Favre is his ability to take a tremendous ammount of physical abuse, and still come back game after game..
watching yesterday's game it was simply amazing how many times he got hit, hard, and yet he still came back-- at age 40 !!

coming back to Bradford, the front office will have to decide whether he simply has the physical makeup to be able to withstand the kind of pounding he will be subjected to in the NFL.. it is not just a question of one injury, or two, but whether he simply cannot take the abuse over time..

[akhhorus]

the value of a QB who can make plays and elevate a team cannot be overstated.. BUT, if he is brittle and cannot sustained the kind of pounding he will be subjected to game after game, he is worthless in the long run..look no further than Chad Pennington who could have been a great performer if he could have remained healthy.. he couldnt, so now he is relegated to back up status, or more realistically, a future as a QB coach.

one of the things that has helped Favre is his ability to take a tremendous ammount of physical abuse, and still come back game after game..
watching yesterday's game it was simply amazing how many times he got hit, hard, and yet he still came back-- at age 40 !!

coming back to Bradford, the front office will have to decide whether he simply has the physical makeup to be able to withstand the kind of pounding he will be subjected to in the NFL.. it is not just a question of one injury, or two, but whether he simply cannot take the abuse over time..

Exactly, but I'm inclined to believe that his shoulder problems was more from an awkward hit, then rushing back than some systemic issue. If his shoulder clears medical checks, there's no reason to pass on him.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Exactly, but I'm inclined to believe that his shoulder problems was more from an awkward hit, then rushing back than some systemic issue. If his shoulder clears medical checks, there's no reason to pass on him.

I hope you're right on Bradford and it doesnt turn into the equivalent of choosing between Dilfer and Schuler lol.

[Emmanouel8]

Exactly, but I'm inclined to believe that his shoulder problems was more from an awkward hit, then rushing back than some systemic issue. If his shoulder clears medical checks, there's no reason to pass on him.

Even an awkward hit can leave some pretty nasty scar tissue that may present some problems later. Healed injuries (scar tissue) is less elastic and vascular which makes it more prone to issues later.

I'm not totally against bradford but they better do some serious due deligence before drafting him. Just because Dr. Andrews works for the skins in whatever capacity he does does not mean he can violate patient confidentiality and he'd never jeopardize his career over his relationship with a ball club. Meaning the skins will have to evaluate the shoulder as best they can with whatever limitations Bradford may impose. If he signs with an agent expect that he will keep as much of the condition in the dark as possible which would be a sign to wait till later in the draft to get him. He may also allow complete disclosure and its any ones guess to how the shoulder would stand up.

No way on clausen, he does strike me as another quinn.

Id hang on to the pick till draft day and depending what's left on the board trade down for more picks. In the current system 2nd rounders are more ideal picks.

[akhhorus]

Even an awkward hit can leave some pretty nasty scar tissue that may present some problems later. Healed injuries (scar tissue) is less elastic and vascular which makes it more prone to issues later.

I'm not totally against bradford but they better do some serious due deligence before drafting him. Just because Dr. Andrews works for the skins in whatever capacity he does does not mean he can violate patient confidentiality and he'd never jeopardize his career over his relationship with a ball club. Meaning the skins will have to evaluate the shoulder as best they can with whatever limitations Bradford may impose. If he signs with an agent expect that he will keep as much of the condition in the dark as possible which would be a sign to wait till later in the draft to get him. He may also allow complete disclosure and its any ones guess to how the shoulder would stand up.

Yes, but if he's evasive with Bradford's shoulder and won't let him get an independent medical check on his shoulder, that would be draft position suicide. He'd be a mid 2nd round pick at best if that was the case. They'll let him undergo just about any testing teams want to put him through, even if it doesn't check out, he'd still be a 1st rounder on talent/potential(mid to late 1st though).

No way on clausen, he does strike me as another quinn.

Id hang on to the pick till draft day and depending what's left on the board trade down for more picks. In the current system 2nd rounders are more ideal picks.

Normally I agree, but this draft has some great talent early in the draft that I don't think that the skins should pass on. If not Bradford, Bulaga, McClain, Berry, etc etc. I'd only give up that pick if I was getting 4 picks in the top 50.

[shally]

couple of early tidbits from the scouts insiders pay site at the Senior Bowl Practice

Tony Pike struggling a little with the drills

LeFevour showing great arm strength on deep outs

and Teebow being Teebow, with a decent showing, and lots of schmoozing...

[Waterwolves]

In order:
Snead: possible, very possible
Dez: Yup
Hardy: He was, but man there's a lot to like about him



Claussen also struggled against well coached defenses whenever he faced them and beat up on bad teams to pad his stats, and I think Bradford's arm is better than Claussen's(Bradford's accuracy is light years better than Claussen's btw). Bradford did play in a shotgun spread, but Notre Dame's offense-while Weis coached it-isn't one you would see in the NFL that much either. I just don't understand why anyone is high on Claussen: he's got Brady Quinn with less leadership written all over him.



If Bradford's shoulder doesn't check out, Shanny shouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, but I think he's the best QB prospect to come out since Rivers.

Bradford is a very accurate and he can make all the throws but his arm strength has been questioned. Clausen has a bigger arm and is very accurate as well. That doesn't mean Clausen will be better then Bradford just ask Russell if all you need is a big arm to make it in the NFL.

We will see who they take I think there is a good chance they will both be there when the Skins pick.....

[akhhorus]

Bradford is a very accurate and he can make all the throws but his arm strength has been questioned. Clausen has a bigger arm and is very accurate as well. That doesn't mean Clausen will be better then Bradford just ask Russell if all you need is a big arm to make it in the NFL.

And Bradford does well against good college defenses while Clausen struggles. Whenever I've seen Clausen play(which is a lot since NBC is about as smart with their college football contracts as it is with late night hosts), he pads his stats whenever it matters least. Bradford just looks like the better QB on the field. Clausen looks better on paper.

We will see who they take I think there is a good chance they will both be there when the Skins pick.....

I think that if Clausen makes it past Seattle in the first round, he might be there when the Skins pick in the 2nd round.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

I wouldnt mind bradford, but not at #4. okung,bulaga, or berry

[akhhorus]

I wouldnt mind bradford, but not at #4. okung,bulaga, or berry

2 comments:
1-The only way Bradford makes past the top 10(with Seattle, Cleveland and Buffalo picking at 6, 8 and 9 respectively) is if there's a major problem with his shoulder. He almost certainly doesn't make it past San Fran/Seattle at 13/14 no matter what.

2-I really wish people would stop talking about some king's ransom in a trade down from 4. In the last 9 drafts, there's only been 2 trades involving top 5 picks being dealt out of the top 5:
1-Jets deal picks #13(Michael Haynes) and #22(Rex Grossman) to the Bears for #4(Dwayne Robertson)
2-Browns deal #5(Dirty Sanchez) pick to the Jets for #17(Alex Mack), #52(David Veikune) and 3 backups.

I wouldn't take either deal for the #4 pick this year. If Seattle desperately wants Bradford and was willing to give up #6 and #14 for the #4 and something else, I'd do that--but I would be shocked if they would consider that.

[oldskinfan]

If Seattle desperately wants Bradford and was willing to give up #6 and #14 for the #4 and something else, I'd do that--but I would be shocked if they would consider that.

Let's hope Pete Carroll gets a man-crush on Bradford (or Clausen) and offers us that deal :-) (let the spirit of Ditka possess him).

Lefevour looks interesting with his rushing and passing ability and he seemed like a real leader to me in the GMAC bowl game. Interesting 2nd to 5th rounder.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Well, take an Olineman and let seattle go wild.

[Patrick]

2 comments:
1-The only way Bradford makes past the top 10(with Seattle, Cleveland and Buffalo picking at 6, 8 and 9 respectively) is if there's a major problem with his shoulder. He almost certainly doesn't make it past San Fran/Seattle at 13/14 no matter what.

2-I really wish people would stop talking about some king's ransom in a trade down from 4. In the last 9 drafts, there's only been 2 trades involving top 5 picks being dealt out of the top 5:1-Jets deal picks #13(Michael Haynes) and #22(Rex Grossman) to the Bears for #4(Dwayne Robertson)
2-Browns deal #5(Dirty Sanchez) pick to the Jets for #17(Alex Mack), #52(David Veikune) and 3 backups.

I wouldn't take either deal for the #4 pick this year. If Seattle desperately wants Bradford and was willing to give up #6 and #14 for the #4 and something else, I'd do that--but I would be shocked if they would consider that.
LOL ......... You know better than that - EVERY year someone has to think up the trade down scenario............ Not complete familiar the BA’s draft history but I don’t think (could be wrong) he’s been involved in the trade down scenario.

[akhhorus]

Let's hope Pete Carroll gets a man-crush on Bradford (or Clausen) and offers us that deal :-) (let the spirit of Ditka possess him).

Lefevour looks interesting with his rushing and passing ability and he seemed like a real leader to me in the GMAC bowl game. Interesting 2nd to 5th rounder.

If we're not going Bradford, we should go Snead.

Well, take an Olineman and let seattle go wild.

We need a Qb as much as a LT. There will be plenty of good OT prospects at #36 or #37.

LOL ......... You know better than that - EVERY year someone has to think up the trade down scenario............ Not complete familiar the BA’s draft history but I don’t think (could be wrong) he’s been involved in the trade down scenario.

I don't think Shanny has been either in a long time.

[shally]

And Bradford does well against good college defenses while Clausen struggles. Whenever I've seen Clausen play(which is a lot since NBC is about as smart with their college football contracts as it is with late night hosts), he pads his stats whenever it matters least. Bradford just looks like the better QB on the field. Clausen looks better on paper.



I think that if Clausen makes it past Seattle in the first round, he might be there when the Skins pick in the 2nd round.

if Seattle passes on Clausen, someone will trade up for him before the second round (Think Weis, and Denver needs someone other thanOrton- that would make a lot of sense to me)

[shally]

Also, Iupati is supposed to be having a great time at the Senior Bowl practices..(Premium content)..
if he is nimble enough to play Tackle, he will be a top 25 pick-- just watch
the Cowboys or Eagles snag him in the late first round..

[Moe]

Also, Iupati is supposed to be having a great time at the Senior Bowl practices..(Premium content)..
if he is nimble enough to play Tackle, he will be a top 25 pick-- just watch
the Cowboys or Eagles snag him in the late first round..

I read earlier today that he might be able to play RT (emphasis on might) but when he lined up at LT he was beaten and put on his back more than once. I don't think he has the foot speed to handle NFL DE/OLB's, nor do I think he has much OT experience in general. In the little I saw of him, he seems as impressive an OG as I can recall, but that doesn't seem like the smartest pick for the SKins unless it's the rsult of a trade back.

[BraveHeartFan]

I read earlier today that he might be able to play RT (emphasis on might) but when he lined up at LT he was beaten and put on his back more than once. I don't think he has the foot speed to handle NFL DE/OLB's, nor do I think he has much OT experience in general. In the little I saw of him, he seems as impressive an OG as I can recall, but that doesn't seem like the smartest pick for the SKins unless it's the rsult of a trade back.



Yeah I read he had a pretty rough go of it at LT. Doesn't seem to have the foot speed and technique required to do that position.

I did get curious about your Suh comment, or maybe it was someone elses, about if he's there at 4.

Do you really think you'll take Suh?

I'm not saying you shouldn't, he's a fantastic player (though I'm particularly bias there cause I'm a Cornhusker fan) but I have a couple questions on it.

I read somewhere that there is a good chance you guys are moving to a 3-4...if thats the case then what are you doing with Albert? Paying him 100 million to hold the edge in a DE role and have him even more upset with his run game duties then he reportedly already is?

Then lets just say you stay in a 4-3 and you draft Suh at #4. You have to give him #4 money, which is a lot, and you're going to have that much cash tied up in your two DTs? Seems like a lot to spend on a position that isn't needed nearly as badly as anywhere on the O-Line, QB, and secondary.

I'm just curious what the reasoning for taking him there would be beyond the simple fact that he's the best defensive player in the nation, IMO, coming out this year.


Oh and before I forget major props on the work you put into this. I enjoyed the read.


*Edit* I just realised the guy I quoted, sorry, wasn't the OP. My mistake. :)

[VegasSkinsFan]

Trading our 1st round might be tough, but what about trading our 2nd round pick down and pick up 2 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd. Should be some decent Oline guys in that range right?

[akhhorus]

Trading our 1st round might be tough, but what about trading our 2nd round pick down and pick up 2 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd. Should be some decent Oline guys in that range right?

I'd rather keep the 2nd and draft Charles Brown, Jason Fox, Trent Williams, Ciron Black, etc. If the Saints would like to deal us Bushrod or Brown, I wouldn't object to our 2nd for said player and their 2nd(or 3rd if they're giving up Brown).

[oldskinfan]

If we're not going Bradford, we should go Snead.


Why the man-crush on Snead? His stats are meh, especially completion percentage, and while I did watch an entire whole Ole Miss game this year, every time I saw a highlight (lowlight?) it was Snead throwing a stupid pick.

Who would you compare him to as a pro prospect?

[akhhorus]

Why the man-crush on Snead? His stats are meh, especially completion percentage, and while I did watch an entire whole Ole Miss game this year, every time I saw a highlight (lowlight?) it was Snead throwing a stupid pick.


Very raw, I agree and needs good coaching, but I think there's a lot of talent there.

Who would you compare him to as a pro prospect?

I would compare him to Cutler with better tools.

[Moe]

Yeah I read he had a pretty rough go of it at LT. Doesn't seem to have the foot speed and technique required to do that position.

Somewhat to my chagrin, I could see Dallas taking him. OG might not be the biggest need on their o-line, but he fits the mold and would push Kosier and give them an option at RG if Davis slips or gets too expensive.

I did get curious about your Suh comment, or maybe it was someone elses, about if he's there at 4.

Think it must've been someone else's but I'll take a stab at answering.

Do you really think you'll take Suh?

I'm not saying you shouldn't, he's a fantastic player (though I'm particularly bias there cause I'm a Cornhusker fan) but I have a couple questions on it.

I read somewhere that there is a good chance you guys are moving to a 3-4...if thats the case then what are you doing with Albert? Paying him 100 million to hold the edge in a DE role and have him even more upset with his run game duties then he reportedly already is?

IMO, if he's there at 4 then that means that at least one of the likely QB targets is gone, so yes you take him because he's the best player available and does fit a need. It's been reported that Shanny spent time in his off year focusing on defense and even went to Pittsburgh and New England for their training camps. Haslett is the new DC who ran a 3-4 when he coached in Pitt, but in all of his other stops he's been a 4-3 guy. My guess is that they'll incorporate more 3-4 formations, but not do a true switchover.

Then lets just say you stay in a 4-3 and you draft Suh at #4. You have to give him #4 money, which is a lot, and you're going to have that much cash tied up in your two DTs? Seems like a lot to spend on a position that isn't needed nearly as badly as anywhere on the O-Line, QB, and secondary.

The d-line needs its share of attention. Griffin is 33-ish and hasn't had a healthy season in about 3 years. He can still be effective but if they retain him, it'll be at reduced cost and as more of a rotational guy. Golston and Montgomery both signed one year deals last year which speaks to their level. Golston is active and can penetrate but also gets washed out in the run game a lot. Again, he's an option but not someone you want to rely on full time. Montgomery has the ability but lacks motivation and as a result didn't see much time at all until late last year. I suspect he's allowed to walk unless the new coaches think they can get to him. He's got talent and could be a force alongside Haynesworth, but he sulked through this year and didn't play much. Lorenzo Alexander is a great rotational guy who can play DE and DT so he has a spot. That's it at DT. Adding Suh gives you a legit starter opposite Haynesworth (and a potentially very good one at that) which allows them much more flexibiltiy with the rest of the rotation.
There's no way around the money that number 4 will command, but Suh would earn it and give the Skins a shot at a legitimately good D.

I'm just curious what the reasoning for taking him there would be beyond the simple fact that he's the best defensive player in the nation, IMO, coming out this year.

I think it's a simple as that if he's there, but I think I'll hit the powerball before he drops to number 4.

[BraveHeartFan]

Somewhat to my chagrin, I could see Dallas taking him. OG might not be the biggest need on their o-line, but he fits the mold and would push Kosier and give them an option at RG if Davis slips or gets too expensive.



Think it must've been someone else's but I'll take a stab at answering.



IMO, if he's there at 4 then that means that at least one of the likely QB targets is gone, so yes you take him because he's the best player available and does fit a need. It's been reported that Shanny spent time in his off year focusing on defense and even went to Pittsburgh and New England for their training camps. Haslett is the new DC who ran a 3-4 when he coached in Pitt, but in all of his other stops he's been a 4-3 guy. My guess is that they'll incorporate more 3-4 formations, but not do a true switchover.



The d-line needs its share of attention. Griffin is 33-ish and hasn't had a healthy season in about 3 years. He can still be effective but if they retain him, it'll be at reduced cost and as more of a rotational guy. Golston and Montgomery both signed one year deals last year which speaks to their level. Golston is active and can penetrate but also gets washed out in the run game a lot. Again, he's an option but not someone you want to rely on full time. Montgomery has the ability but lacks motivation and as a result didn't see much time at all until late last year. I suspect he's allowed to walk unless the new coaches think they can get to him. He's got talent and could be a force alongside Haynesworth, but he sulked through this year and didn't play much. Lorenzo Alexander is a great rotational guy who can play DE and DT so he has a spot. That's it at DT. Adding Suh gives you a legit starter opposite Haynesworth (and a potentially very good one at that) which allows them much more flexibiltiy with the rest of the rotation.
There's no way around the money that number 4 will command, but Suh would earn it and give the Skins a shot at a legitimately good D.



I think it's a simple as that if he's there, but I think I'll hit the powerball before he drops to number 4.


Excellent points. I'm definately a big time Suh fan, being that I love the Huskers, so I'm wanting him to have a great career. I'd just hate to see it be in a Eagles, Giants, or Skins uniform. :P

[skinsfan36]

Very raw, I agree and needs good coaching, but I think there's a lot of talent there.



I would compare him to Cutler with better tools.

do you think we aquire a 3rd to land snead?

[NCskinsfanatic]

Im kinda intrigued by Selvish Capers in the 2nd or 3rd round...assuming we acquire a 3rd rounder.

[akhhorus]

do you think we aquire a 3rd to land snead?

I think he's gone in the early 2nd. If the Rams take Suh, Snead probably will be their 2nd round pick.

[Waterwolves]

This is how Clausen's junior year stacks against some other NFL QB's junior years.

I would really love to have him on the skins. I know that not everybody shares that view.......



http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5322/howclausenstacksup.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/howclausenstacksup.jpg/)

These stats are so sick. He played against Michigan, Michigan State, USC, Washington, Boston College, Purdue, and washington state. I am not saying these team are all great but those are not all crap teams. I can only see where he may have ran his stats up against Nevada. A ton of ND's games were very close either way.

This guy could be a stud. Obviously he could suck it up as well. lol I just don't see how the Skins pass on him for Bradford if they are both there at #4.

[oldskinfan]

This is how Clausen's junior year stacks against some other NFL QB's junior years.

I would really love to have him on the skins. I know that not everybody shares that view.......


Yeah, but here are Stafford's stats:

4,720 yds 50 TDs 8 INTs and hit on 67.9% of his passes.

Now even he may be a bust or not like Clausen, but THOSE stats a SICK!
Also, how much do stats REALLY count?

In their last year in college:
Ryan Leaf had 33 TDs, 10 INTs
Cade McNown had 22 TDs, 5 INTs

Where dey at now?

[akhhorus]

This is how Clausen's junior year stacks against some other NFL QB's junior years.

I would really love to have him on the skins. I know that not everybody shares that view.......



First off: college stats really don't matter, especially yardage.
Secondly: Here's some college QBs who put up better numbers than Clausen recently:
2009 Levi Brown 4254 yards, 23 TDs
2008 Graham Harrell 5111 yards 45 tds
2008 Chase Daniel 4335 yards 39 Tds
2008 Chase Clement 4119 yards 39 Tds
2008 David Johnson 4059 yards 46 Tds
2007 Andre Woodson 3709 yards 40 tds

and on and on and on and on.

Chase Daniel is the only one in the NFL, and he's barely still in it. Levi Brown might be a 6th round pick this year.

These stats are so sick. He played against Michigan, Michigan State, USC, Washington, Boston College, Purdue, and washington state. I am not saying these team are all great but those are not all crap teams. I can only see where he may have ran his stats up against Nevada. A ton of ND's games were very close either way.


Michigan(who was terrible in 09): 336 yards 3 tds
MSU(meh in 09): 300 yards, 2 tds
Purdue(okay in 09): 171 yards, 1 TD
Washington(okay in 09): 422 yards, 2 Tds
BC(meh in 09): 246 yards, 2 TD
USC(okay in 09): 260 yards, 2 Tds(against a great USC defense in 08 he had 41 passing yards)
Washington State(who was 1-11 in 09): 268 yards, 2 TDs.

Doesn't look he did too well against the better teams on your list.

This guy could be a stud. Obviously he could suck it up as well. lol I just don't see how the Skins pass on him for Bradford if they are both there at #4.

Well, using your criteria(final full year in school):
Clausen: 3722 yards, 28 tds/4 ints
Bradford: 4720 yards, 50 Tds/8 ints

[Waterwolves]

Clausen did this in a pro style offense as well. Which makes a difference.

Point taken as far as stats go. They are not the only thing scouts go by but they do help paint a picture. Tapes of the players are big. The combine as well....

I was just trying to point out some stuff about him cause he is not rated the #1 QB by so many scouts for nothing. We could go back and forth about if he is going to be good or not and nobody is a lock in the NFL draft but it's obvious he is a fantastic prospect!

If Shanny has to make a choice I hope he takes Clausen but if he doesn't and he decides to take Bradford........I hope Bradford tears it up.


I don't consider throwing for 260 yards 2 TD's and No INT's against USC a bad game either. It wasn't his best game though. Also a lot of his games were close so it wasn't him running up the score and padding his stats he was under pressure to perform and statistically he came through.

[akhhorus]

Clausen did this in a pro style offense as well. Which makes a difference.

No, he really didn't. The Notre Dame offense was a passing spread.

Point taken as far as stats go. They are not the only thing scouts go by but they do help paint a picture. Tapes of the players are big. The combine as well....

I was just trying to point out some stuff about him cause he is not rated the #1 QB by so many scouts for nothing. We could go back and forth about if he is going to be good or not and nobody is a lock in the NFL draft but it's obvious he is a fantastic prospect!

If Shanny has to make a choice I hope he takes Clausen but if he doesn't and he decides to take Bradford........I hope Bradford tears it up.

No, Clausen isn't a fantastic prospect and barring some surprise, Bradford will go long before he does. I really don't understand what you see in Clausen: Bradford has a better arm, is more accurate and beat up on better defenses consistently. Clausen isn't any better than Brady Quinn as a prospect.

I don't consider throwing for 260 yards 2 TD's and No INT's against USC a bad game either. It wasn't his best game though. Also a lot of his games were close so it wasn't him running up the score and padding his stats he was under pressure to perform and statistically he came through.

The USC defense was fairly bad(especially when compared to how they were in 2008) in 2009. And a lot of his games were him stat padding when Notre Dame was down several scores from what I saw.

[Patrick]

IF the Skins are going to elect to use their #1 on a QB in 2010 then Bardford is the logical choice hands down. I still think they should be going OL BUT also interested to see what the FA signing period produces as well as the combines.

[shally]

IF the Skins are going to elect to use their #1 on a QB in 2010 then Bardford is the logical choice hands down. I still think they should be going OL BUT also interested to see what the FA signing period produces as well as the combines.

i think we will get a window into the front office/Shanahan's thinking in March, with free agency. if we are aggressive in pursuing a free agent lineman or two, i expect the #4 pick will be a QB.. if all we sign are guys like Lichtensteiger, or we dont sign ANY offensive lineman, i think the pendulum would swing towards a Tackle, or at the very least, a possible trade down for a guy like Iupati, who is ultimately, probably a fine guard in the mold of Hutchinson

[Patrick]

i think we will get a window into the front office/Shanahan's thinking in March, with free agency. if we are aggressive in pursuing a free agent lineman or two, i expect the #4 pick will be a QB.. if all we sign are guys like Lichtensteiger, or we dont sign ANY offensive lineman, i think the pendulum would swing towards a Tackle, or at the very least, a possible trade down for a guy like Iupati, who is ultimately, probably a fine guard in the mold of Hutchinson And that's what I'm thinking without the trading down part. Guard area can use some improvement but the main focus has to be OT, then C, THEN OG. And hopefully they find a multi position C.

[Waterwolves]

I'm just not convinced that Bradford is going to be a great QB in the NFL. I won't go as far to say that he is a bust. But he's somebody I would be suspicious about. Based on some research, here is the list of first round QBs to come out a spread or "gimmicky" offense:

2009 - Josh Freeman
2007 - JaMarcus Russell
2006 - Vince Young
2005 - Alex Smith
2004 - J.P. Losman
2002 - David Carr
2002 - Patrick Ramsey
2000 - Chad Pennington
1999 - Tim Couch
1999 - Akili Smith
1999 - Cade McNown
1994 - Heath Shuler
1992 - David Klingler
1991 - Dan McGwire
1990 - Andre Ware
1987 - Kelly Stouffer
1982 - Todd Blackledge
1981 - Rich Campbell
1972 - Jerry Tagge

In all fairness, I'll include Drew Brees even though he wasn't picked in the first round. Aside from him and maybe Chad Pennington, which other gimmick offense QB has had success in the NFL?

ND ran a pro style offense. Pro style offense require QB's to read the defenses and call their own audibles at the line. Spread QB's play in the shotgun and rely on the sideline for audibles and reading defenses. That's the biggest difference between the two and it is also why some many spread QB's struggle in the NFL.......

[Hr fan]

Even an awkward hit can leave some pretty nasty scar tissue that may present some problems later. Healed injuries (scar tissue) is less elastic and vascular which makes it more prone to issues later.

I'm not totally against bradford but they better do some serious due deligence before drafting him. Just because Dr. Andrews works for the skins in whatever capacity he does does not mean he can violate patient confidentiality and he'd never jeopardize his career over his relationship with a ball club. Meaning the skins will have to evaluate the shoulder as best they can with whatever limitations Bradford may impose. If he signs with an agent expect that he will keep as much of the condition in the dark as possible which would be a sign to wait till later in the draft to get him. He may also allow complete disclosure and its any ones guess to how the shoulder would stand up.

No way on clausen, he does strike me as another quinn.

Id hang on to the pick till draft day and depending what's left on the board trade down for more picks. In the current system 2nd rounders are more ideal picks.

Disagree on Bradford. He would be a fool not to be as open as possible about the shoulder. If he conceals people will think there indeed a problem and imagine that the worst has happened. It will be taken as an admission not only that a problem exists but that it is so bad he will take whatever drop in draft position will occur rather than reveal the truth.

An interesting thought. If he doesn't want to be drafted by a poor team and is willing to swallow the loss of slot money he could wait until a preferred team is on the clock then reveal there is no problem. Wonder what if anything the league could do in such a situation.

[akhhorus]

I'm just not convinced that Bradford is going to be a great QB in the NFL. I won't go as far to say that he is a bust. But he's somebody I would be suspicious about.

if bradford is suspicious, then Clausen should be a bust in your eyes. I honestly don't know how you can criticize Bradford, but ignore Clausen's major red flags.

Based on some research, here is the list of first round QBs to come out a spread or "gimmicky" offense:


In all fairness, I'll include Drew Brees even though he wasn't picked in the first round. Aside from him and maybe Chad Pennington, which other gimmick offense QB has had success in the NFL?

Just off the top of my head:
Big Ben, Eli Manning, Rivers, Cutler, Garrard, Brees, etc etc

And I can find plenty of examples of pro system Qbs who failed in the NFL.

ND ran a pro style offense. Pro style offense require QB's to read the defenses and call their own audibles at the line. Spread QB's play in the shotgun and rely on the sideline for audibles and reading defenses. That's the biggest difference between the two and it is also why some many spread QB's struggle in the NFL.......

No, Notre Dame didn't run a pro style offense and your interpretation of what constitutes a pro style offense is just flat wrong. Every QB in college has to read defenses and call audibles. Notre Dame ran more a pro style offense when Quinn was their Qb, but has gone more and more to a passing spread after Weis took more control of the play calling.

[Waterwolves]

No, Notre Dame didn't run a pro style offense and your interpretation of what constitutes a pro style offense is just flat wrong. Every QB in college has to read defenses and call audibles. Notre Dame ran more a pro style offense when Quinn was their Qb, but has gone more and more to a passing spread after Weis took more control of the play calling.

Well this convesation is over if we can't get past this lol. ^^^^^^^

I am basing most of my argument on the fact that "I believe Clausen ran a pro style offense and Bradford didn't"


It was nice debating this with you. I love the draft and i can tell you do as well. Great job on grading out all those players as well. It was an interesting read. I mean that in a good way too.

:niceday:

[akhhorus]

Well this convesation is over if we can't get past this lol. ^^^^^^^

I am basing most of my argument on the fact that "I believe Clausen ran a pro style offense and Bradford didn't"


Notre Dame ran a pro style system...when they had Quinn and Weis wasn't involved much with the play calling. Clausen didn't line up in the shotgun a lot, but they did run a ton of 4 WR sets and played less and a less of an NFL offense because they were down big in games and had to go into a 4 minute offense. Thats also why Clausen had a dramatic jump in his stats. He should have stayed in school, and frankly, on draft day I wouldn't be shocked to see him drop 20 picks in the draft.

[redcayman]

I think we are going to have to keep an open mind for this draft. If Bradford is the the player that many think he is then the Rams would be fools for not taking him. They have spent more than a few 1st rounders on Dline. If he is the real deal you have to take him they need a QB worse than we do and much worse than they need a DT.

[akhhorus]

I think we are going to have to keep an open mind for this draft. If Bradford is the the player that many think he is then the Rams would be fools for not taking him. They have spent more than a few 1st rounders on Dline. If he is the real deal you have to take him they need a QB worse than we do and much worse than they need a DT.

Normally, I would agree, but Suh's potential is so great that I think the efficient markets explanation doesn't work.

[shally]

Disagree on Bradford. He would be a fool not to be as open as possible about the shoulder. If he conceals people will think there indeed a problem and imagine that the worst has happened. It will be taken as an admission not only that a problem exists but that it is so bad he will take whatever drop in draft position will occur rather than reveal the truth.

An interesting thought. If he doesn't want to be drafted by a poor team and is willing to swallow the loss of slot money he could wait until a preferred team is on the clock then reveal there is no problem. Wonder what if anything the league could do in such a situation.

+1

if he is healed, he will do everything he can to prove it...

[Waterwolves]

Normally, I would agree, but Suh's potential is so great that I think the efficient markets explanation doesn't work.

+1

Suh is a once in a decade prospect. This is the only reason the Skins may have the chance to choose between Bradford and Clausen. If Suh is not there then there is no doubt the Rams would take one of the two QB's leaving the other for the next team in need of a franchise QB.

There is still a big possiblity even with Suh being so good that the Rams take a QB anyways.

[akhhorus]

+1

Suh is a once in a decade prospect. This is the only reason the Skins may have the chance to choose between Bradford and Clausen. If Suh is not there then there is no doubt the Rams would take one of the two QB's leaving the other for the next team in need of a franchise QB.

There is still a big possiblity even with Suh being so good that the Rams take a QB anyways.

Lost in all the Suh talk is that there's a 2nd "once in a decade prospect" at DT who'll go #2: Gerald McCoy. There's some teams who think he'll be better than Suh.

[Waterwolves]

Berry is another fantastic prospect that doesn't come along very often.

[akhhorus]

Berry is another fantastic prospect that doesn't come along very often.

I would put Rolando McClain ahead of him. I like Berry, but I don't think he'll be Ed Reed 2(more a smarter Brandon Merriweather). McClain might be better than Pat Willis.

[shally]

Flavor of the month... this kind of inflation happens every year

i will say that watching Suh take apart the Texas O line all by himself was among the most impressive College performances i have ever seen

[akhhorus]

Flavor of the month... this kind of inflation happens every year

i will say that watching Suh take apart the Texas O line all by himself was among the most impressive College performances i have ever seen

McClain isn't in Suh's territory, but he's been a great Lb for multiple years at Bama. 3 time All-SEC.