Beat reporter on Wise show- JC will be tendered

[Moe]

Expected to happen within a week, not sure the tender level just yet. Early indications are that he'll be in DC unless they 1st and 3rd compensation, or there about.

Reporter talked to JC and said Jason told him something to effect of 'Shanny is a great coach and I can flourish and have fun under him.'

looking for something more official.

[shally]

Expected to happen within a week, not sure the tender level just yet.

Reporter talked to JC and said Jason told him something to effect of 'Shanny is a great coach and I can flourish and have fun under him.'

looking for something more official.

that is a no brainer.. the only way JC doesnt get tendered is if the Skins work out a trade for him

[BurgundyNGold]

that is a no brainer.. the only way JC doesnt get tendered is if the Skins work out a trade for him
They might still work out a trade. It just would have been stupid beyond description to have let him walk with no chance of getting some level of compensation.

[LATrueRedskin]

John Clayton mentioned this a while back also. I figured this. I think we all did. I still think he's an asset right now, and we win regardless what the turnout is. Either we get draft picks, or a decent QB to quarterback for us while (hopefully) we groom a new guy.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Definitely saw this coming, especially considering the other QBs in the FA market. Now let's draft a young guy to get some open competition going.


:niceday:

[Ibleedburgundy]

I thought it was kind of a no-brainer that the skins should offer JC the $3.14M even if they intend to draft a QB.

[Skins7ny]

They might still work out a trade. It just would have been stupid beyond description to have let him walk with no chance of getting some level of compensation.

Like we did with Brad Johnson, who was coming off a 4,000 yard season. But that was because we were out of cap space thanks to Genius Dan's decision to install a $100M roster with Jeff George/Mark Carrier/Deion, etc.

We have so many holes on our roster right now, that drafting a QB to compete with Campbell doesn't really thrill me. If Shanahan wants Bradford or Claussen, then I am willing to trust his judgment, although I disagree with the need to replace Campbell. And I don't really have a problem with them spending a lower-round pick on a prospect (we need a
3rd QB/young guy to develop on our roster anyway). But I think we have many more pressing needs that tnat this off-season. Especially if we only have 5 draft choices, as it currently stands.

[dj_stouty]

They might still work out a trade.

Its possible the Skins are floating this information to the public in hopes of getting some trade scenarios cooking before the tender is final. Buffalo could still be a good trading partner...

[skin4ever]

Its possible the Skins are floating this information to the public in hopes of getting some trade scenarios cooking before the tender is final. Buffalo could still be a good trading partner...

Even if they tender him, we could still trade him right?

I agree that Buffalo is still a good trade partner.

[whiskeytown]

what would you all hope to get back for JC?
a 2nd round pick?

a 3rd plus a decent player at any position?

what about a combo, like JC and the #4 to drop back a few slots to #5-10, PLUS a couple other picks/players?

just curious.

[oldskinfan]

The tender would pay JC something similar to what they are currently paying Todd Collins - so worst case we would have a very solid backup QB at a reasonable price. I think in a trade that should be worth at least a 3rd rounder.

Since JC is also arguably the best FA QB out there right now, I would hope to hold out for at least a 2nd, or another starter and a 3rd or 4th.

[Hr fan]

No shock here. He has value as the best potential fa qb while several teams have needs that go beyond available draft talent. More interesting will be if we negotiate with JC's agent, indicating that JC is more than trade bait. For JC haters and lovers the press/moves thus far are closer to a soap opera than a decision.

[joethefan]

Its reported they are tendering him at the highest value, so they can get a 1st and a 3rd round pick for him. They know that no one will do this, so he'll have to sign. And if someone is that stupid then they will jump on it quicker than a pig in slop.

[WarEagle]

I had to look up "tendered." They're offering a contract to him this week, I guess.

[redskin_rich]

I had to look up "tendered." They're offering a contract to him this week, I guess.
1 year at $3.5 Mil in Jason's case.
No-brainer. Only an idiot like Vinny or an egocentric like Snyder wouldn't do this deal. Thankfully and hopefully, smarter minds are making the football related decisions these days.

[GenMgr]

Is he automatically released?

I would think he would shop himself for a deal before he signs.

Maybe, he will skip the mini-camps/workouts?

[IowaSkinsFan]

If there is no extension of the CBA and he remains restricted, and he doesn't sign, he would have to sit out the season if the team doesn't trade him or release him.

As long as the tender is extended, he can only play in Washington, like I said, unless the team moves him or withdraws the tender, making him unrestricted.

I think.....;)

EDIT....you are the General Manager, why are you asking us????

:)

[akhhorus]

The Skins retain his rights as long as they've have a tender offer to him. He can't play unless he signs the tender, but he can't become an unrestricted FA unless the Skins rescind the tender offer.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Additionally, if he did not sign and the team did not rescind the offer and Campbell sat out the season, he would not accrue another season towards unrestricted FA and he would be in the same boat the following season, assuming there is a new CBA with similar language.

[GenMgr]

EDIT....you are the General Manager, why are you asking us????

:)

Touche....LOL!

[Skins7ny]

what would you all hope to get back for JC?
a 2nd round pick?

a 3rd plus a decent player at any position?

what about a combo, like JC and the #4 to drop back a few slots to #5-10, PLUS a couple other picks/players?

just curious.
There are no talented young QBs available if FA this year. If you want a talented young starter with some experience, it is Jason Campbell you need to go get. Whatever people here may think of him-look at his stats-with a crappy offense and a staff that got fired-the guy has proven he can play, he is not a bust. That is why a team like Buffalo, which has been flailing around for a solution at QB for years now, is showing interest.

I would not let him go for less than a high 2nd-plus a quality young player or a high 3rd. And that would of course only be once I knew I was getting the young QB of the future I want in Round 1. And of course I would hold out for a 1st and a 3rd, if there is competition for him.

Of course, I would not trade Campbell in the first place. He should be the starter here. We should spend our 1st-rounder on another position.

Its reported they are tendering him at the highest value, so they can get a 1st and a 3rd round pick for him. They know that no one will do this, so he'll have to sign. And if someone is that stupid then they will jump on it quicker than a pig in slop.
What about the Cardinals-they cannot be convinced about Leinart, there is some bad water under the bridge there. Campbell would fit their offense very well. Maybe they could trade Leinart to reunite him with Pete Carroll in Seattle. Then a 1st and a 3rd (both very late in the round) would not be a big price to pay for Warner's successor.

Just a thought.

[IowaSkinsFan]

1 year at $3.5 Mil in Jason's case.
No-brainer. Only an idiot like Vinny or an egocentric like Snyder wouldn't do this deal. Thankfully and hopefully, smarter minds are making the football related decisions these days.

It will be interesting to see the exact tender amount. For only a couple hundred thousand, they can put him at the 1st and 3rd level. I would be willing to be that he only gets tendered at the first level in an effort to entice a team to sign him.

The amount of the tender will say more than the fact of him just getting tendered. It's like a value bet in poker when you want a call. I think that's where he will get tendered.

[colkurtz]

This was an expected move. We should use the #4 pick for the best QB still left in the draft. If we get a good offer for JC, then we can take those draft picks for the OL.

If we DON'T get any offers for JC (because the rest of the NFL isn't as infatuated as some people here) the he gets some real competition for QB play this year.

To me it's a 'win-win'. As long as there is a real competition for the QB position then we'll get the best player in that critical position. What bugged me in the Zorn years was that we had no real competition because Collins was the #2 QB.

[bigcmr]

Who are the team intersted? And I wonder what the offers could be?

[bigcmr]

The Skins retain his rights as long as they've have a tender offer to him. He can't play unless he signs the tender, but he can't become an unrestricted FA unless the Skins rescind the tender offer.

So he will eather be here next year or traded.

[colkurtz]

I'm really interested to see if there is any interest in JC from other NFL teams.

I suspect he would like to play next year here, because the coaching, play calling, OL will be better. On the other hand, unless he radically improves I doubt the Redskins will keep him more than one season.

[Skins7ny]

So he will eather be here next year or traded. Here is the risk we run by letting him go:
Some team signs him to an offer sheet with a "poson pill" like in the Steve Hutchinson/Nate Burleson situation. For example, JC's gets a $20M bonus payable February 1st if he plays more than 4 games in Maryland next year. These types of clauses are legal, and will prevent the Skins from matching the offer.
Then, Bradford gets taken #1 by the Rams, and someone trades up in front of us at #3 for Claussen. Or, alternative, Shanahan doesn't like Claussen (or his Cerrato baggage).
What do we do then?

[shally]

Here is the risk we run by letting him go:
Some team signs him to an offer sheet with a "poson pill" like in the Steve Hutchinson/Nate Burleson situation. For example, JC's gets a $20M bonus payable February 1st if he plays more than 4 games in Maryland next year. These types of clauses are legal, and will prevent the Skins from matching the offer.
Then, Bradford gets taken #1 by the Rams, and someone trades up in front of us at #3 for Claussen. Or, alternative, Shanahan doesn't like Claussen (or his Cerrato baggage).
What do we do then?

keep building the team.. focus on the O line and a successor to portis..
if Bradford is gone, he is gone. it wont be the end of the world

tams get in trouble when they force issues like this

[BurgundyNGold]

Here is the risk we run by letting him go:
Some team signs him to an offer sheet with a "poson pill" like in the Steve Hutchinson/Nate Burleson situation. For example, JC's gets a $20M bonus payable February 1st if he plays more than 4 games in Maryland next year. These types of clauses are legal, and will prevent the Skins from matching the offer.
Then, Bradford gets taken #1 by the Rams, and someone trades up in front of us at #3 for Claussen. Or, alternative, Shanahan doesn't like Claussen (or his Cerrato baggage).
What do we do then?
I suppose we use our two 1st rounders, our 2nd rounder and our 3rd rounder to rebuild to OL and flesh out our 3-4 sets. Or, you use the two firsts to leapfrog to the 1 or 3 pick yourself.

[skin4ever]

Here is the risk we run by letting him go:
Some team signs him to an offer sheet with a "poson pill" like in the Steve Hutchinson/Nate Burleson situation. For example, JC's gets a $20M bonus payable February 1st if he plays more than 4 games in Maryland next year. These types of clauses are legal, and will prevent the Skins from matching the offer.
Then, Bradford gets taken #1 by the Rams, and someone trades up in front of us at #3 for Claussen. Or, alternative, Shanahan doesn't like Claussen (or his Cerrato baggage).
What do we do then?

What do you mean by letting him go? If he signs the tender(from what i hear is a high one) and a team makes that kind of offer, God bless them. We get what ever tender level we signed from them. And since its a high one, that means at least a 1st and 3rd, or 2 1sts. Wheres the problem with that?

If he doesnt sign the tender, we negotiate a trade for him and get him out the door with the best offer. That would be amenable to JC, as he could easily be forgotten if he sat out one year. And his image of handling adverse situations with class(the one thing every likes about JC) would be dimished. Again, where's the downfall?

[shally]

What do you mean by letting him go? If he signs the tender(from what i hear is a high one) and a team makes that kind of offer, God bless them. We get what ever tender level we signed from them. And since its a high one, that means at least a 1st and 3rd, or 2 1sts. Wheres the problem with that?

If he doesnt sign the tender, we negotiate a trade for him and get him out the door with the best offer. That would be amenable to JC, as he could easily be forgotten if he sat out one year. And his image of handling adverse situations with class(the one thing every likes about JC) would be dimished. Again, where's the downfall?

there is none, as long as he is tendered..

[Hr fan]

The shock would have been if he wasn't tendered. Collins + Brennan = no qbs. Jason has value, particularly if Bradford is gone (IMO he will go to the Rams), even if a qb is drafted at #4. IMO JC is here unless we get a vet qb and chooice(s) AND get a rookie qb Shanallehan think is developable in the first 2 picks.

[Skins7ny]

What do you mean by letting him go? If he signs the tender(from what i hear is a high one) and a team makes that kind of offer, God bless them. We get what ever tender level we signed from them. And since its a high one, that means at least a 1st and 3rd, or 2 1sts. Wheres the problem with that?

If he doesnt sign the tender, we negotiate a trade for him and get him out the door with the best offer. That would be amenable to JC, as he could easily be forgotten if he sat out one year. And his image of handling adverse situations with class(the one thing every likes about JC) would be dimished. Again, where's the downfall?

I suppose we use our two 1st rounders, our 2nd rounder and our 3rd rounder to rebuild to OL and flesh out our 3-4 sets. Or, you use the two firsts to leapfrog to the 1 or 3 pick yourself.

there is none, as long as he is tendered..
If we get a 1st and 3rd for Campbell, and we take it, but then get shut out of Bradford and/or Claussen (or alternatively, if Shanahan doesn't want Claussen), then who is our QB opening day?

Don't you all come crying to me if that scenario plays out and Patrick Ramsey is our QB on September 12th!!! After, all PRam was Shanahan's backup for 2 years in Denver, and would have remained there last year if Shanahan had not gotten fired. Or Todd Collins. Or Colt Brennan. :)

[Ibleedburgundy]

If we get a 1st and 3rd for Campbell, and we take it, but then get shut out of Bradford and/or Claussen (or alternatively, if Shanahan doesn't want Claussen), then who is our QB opening day?

Don't you all come crying to me if that scenario plays out and Patrick Ramsey is our QB on September 12th!!! After, all PRam was Shanahan's backup for 2 years in Denver, and would have remained there last year if Shanahan had not gotten fired. Or Todd Collins. Or Colt Brennan. :)

That would all be fine with me as long as we end up with a good offensive line. We can add an NFL caliber QB next year and have Patrick Ramsey in the meantime.

[silverspring]

If we get a 1st and 3rd for Campbell, and we take it, but then get shut out of Bradford and/or Claussen (or alternatively, if Shanahan doesn't want Claussen), then who is our QB opening day?

Even if we get bradford/claussen it would be foolish to expect them to start from day 1. We need another vet qb either way.

Don't you all come crying to me if that scenario plays out and Patrick Ramsey is our QB on September 12th!!! After, all PRam was Shanahan's backup for 2 years in Denver, and would have remained there last year if Shanahan had not gotten fired. Or Todd Collins. Or Colt Brennan. :)


Sweet, I am getting excited for Ramsey's comeback :)

By the way, why not try and trade JC to the rams in exchange for swapping 1st round picks? I am surprised I haven't heard much trade up talk yet.

[BurgundyNGold]

That would all be fine with me as long as we end up with a good offensive line. We can add an NFL caliber QB next year and have Patrick Ramsey in the meantime.

Sweet, I am getting excited for Ramsey's comeback

For chrissake, don't play into his fantasies lol.

[skin4ever]

For chrissake, don't play into his fantasies lol.

I thought the fantasy was to get a 1st and 3rd for JC.

[Skins7ny]

That would all be fine with me as long as we end up with a good offensive line. We can add an NFL caliber QB next year and have Patrick Ramsey in the meantime.
I would be fine with it to, if we are hell-bent on running Campbell out of town. There is no way Bradford with his recovering shoulder should get any playing time with the OL we will likely field in 2010. He should be the emergency QB the whole year, and let someone else (like Ramsey) take the lumps while the supporting cast around him improves.
Even if we get bradford/claussen it would be foolish to expect them to start from day 1. We need another vet qb either way.
Sweet, I am getting excited for Ramsey's comeback :)
By the way, why not try and trade JC to the rams in exchange for swapping 1st round picks? I am surprised I haven't heard much trade up talk yet. Yeah, that is an interesting idea. I would want the Rams to throw in their 2nd-rounder to make that happen. That way, we make sure we get Bradford, and the Rams still get a shot at one of the 2 DTs and still solve their QB problem. Depends on what Bill Devaney thinks of Campbell, of Bradford, and the chance that the Lions will take Okung instead of a DT. I personally don't think Devaney will take that chance unless he falls in love with 4th player or decides to draft Okung himself with the 4th pick. Interesting idea.

For chrissake, don't play into his fantasies lol. LOL. I predicted last year that Ramsey would return to the B&G if the Allen/Shanahan combo came to town. He is a free agent, and it would not surprise me if he came here. The only thing stopping him may be if he has a bad taste left in his mouth from his first go-round here (I don't want to get into a long debate about whether it exists, or if it is justified, etc.).

Anyway, don't be shocked to see it happen. Ramsey spent 2 years with Shanahan, who made no secret of liking Ramsey a lot as Cutler's backup. Ramsey knows Shanahan's offense better than any free agent QB on the market right now, and we are going to be in need of a low-cost backup after we cut Collins. Ramsey will likely sign for the vet minimum. He can serve as a beatdown taker while the rookie QB sits and learns and while Shanahan rebuilds the OL.

I thought the fantasy was to get a 1st and 3rd for JC. I think we should keep Campbell as a starter. I don't want to trade him. If we are determined to trade him, a 1 and a 3 would be an excellent price. As I have said on other threads, I don't think a successful team with no established starting QB for 2011 (hello Cardinals, Vikings if Favre retires) would be stupid to trade their late-round 1st and late-round 3rd for Campbell, and established starting QB who has played well and put up good numbers with one of the worst supporting casts in the league. How do you think he would do throwing to the Vikings and Cardinals' receiving corp and not having to look for his teeth after every play? Realistically, I think a high 2nd and a player (or a 3rd in lieu of the player) is a more realistic possibility.

[Gravy]

...Patrick Ramsey...um...well stranger things have happened...

[IowaSkinsFan]

...Patrick Ramsey...um...well stranger things have happened...

Wasn't he a backup for a season under Shanahan in Denver?

[Gravy]

Wasn't he a backup for a season under Shanahan in Denver?

2, I believe...