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Lavar703

02-28-2010, 11:55 AM

2010 Redskins NFL Mock Draft

Round 1: Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma: If he is available with the 4th pick it’s a guarantee that he will be the pick. He has all the tools despite having what many would consider a weak arm. Can make every throw and has the ability to just pick apart a defense. Is a true field general and will get in a guy’s face if he feels the need to. It amazes me that with all the talk about how great Oklahoma’s line was while he was there that so many feel the need to neglect how great he was at moving around the pocket when there was pressure, he helped the OL a lot with his ability to throw on the run. Has an amazing ability to scan the field quickly and can read a defense with the best of them, will be a star at the next level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPkDsOlGzU

Round 2: Charles Brown OT USC: If Bradford is the pick in the first round then this has to be the pick at 37. While I don’t feel he will translate well to LT in the NFL, I feel he will become one of the better RT’s almost immediately. He did struggle this past season at USC but so did pretty much everyone. He seems to fit the ZBS very well and I think Shanahan could do wonders with him and would allow us to step away from Stephon Heyer as a starter immediately which in itself is a major improvement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AheRQNNgK64

Round 4: Montario Hardesty RB TENN: Seems to be a Shanahan style RB with a great combination of power and quickness. Would spell Portis on 3rd downs and would eventually take over as the starter in 2011. Has great vision as a runner and does a great job of breaking arm tackles and driving for extra yards. Very underrated considering how well he played and the numbers he put up against the top competition in the land.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJiHPqy8xE

Round 5: Eric Olsen C ND: Frankly I’m just tired of watching Rabach get blown up, he’s getting old and he has been a major liability for awhile now. Olsen was the only bright spot on what was a major disappointment of an OL for Notre Dame this year. While other more heralded players such as Sam Young struggled, Olsen was a rock. Would be an immediate upgrade over Rabach and I would start him from the first time he steps on the field. A true lunch pale style player will just go to work and you won’t hear him complain.

Round 7: Adrian Tracy OLB W&M: Little known prospect from William and Mary, put up some really good numbers and is going to translate to a 3-4 Rush LB. Has good size and great speed for the position and frankly I don’t understand why he hasn’t gained more publicity as a prospect with most teams switching to a 3-4. He may even be gone by this point come draft day if you consider his size and speed and his ability to get to the QB, had 12 sacks as a senior and 31 total for his collegiate career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViCrwMUTZCg

I would like to include a scenario in which Bradford is gone by the 4th pick, so here goes

Round 1: Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa: Every bit the prospect as Okung and I feel he will be much better at the next level. Has worked out very well at the combine despite having short arms, which I think won’t hurt him at the next level if you factor in his lateral quickness and punch which can dominate even the best DE’s. I still can not understand how draftniks have Okung rated ahead of him, if you watch film he is clearly the better of the two. A player that harkens back to the Hog days, a true gamer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DYk6GzwHC4

Round 2: Brandon Spikes LB FL: A nasty player with a mean streak. I would love to see him lined up beside Fletcher in the 3-4, would be an absolutely devastating duo in the middle. Has very quick feet and can read the QB’s eyes quite well for an ILB. Can break down a play immediately and wraps up the ball carrier with the best of them. It would be a shame to see him sitting there in the 2nd round only to watch us pass on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFqTXa89nGA

Round 4: John Skelton QB Fordham: Big, strong-armed QB who put up some incredible numbers, albeit against lesser competition. Very quick for his size and reminds me a lot of Ben Rothlisberger with his ability to shrug off defenders. While he would be a project, he seems to be a Shanahan style QB, with a cannon for an arm and the ability to move around the pocket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMDDz5WvKQ

Round 5: Major Wright FS FL: Was a bit of a disappointment at Florida considering the hype surrounding him. Would have to sit and learn before he could get on the field but has the athletic ability to excel with the right coaching. Sometimes tries to go for the big shot as opposed to wrapping his guy up but with Haslett coming in I think we will see a much better tackling defense all-around this season. While I would much rather have Myron Rolle I just don’t see him being available at this spot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJxN3DWQCI&feature=related

Round 7: Joique Bell RB Wayne State: A player that I have started to warm up to as of late, was dominant against lesser competition. Seems to be one of those guys that sees hole’s develop as opposed to running into the back of his lineman. Would need sometime to transition to the pro game but could ultimately be one of those Shanahan steals at the RB position. Considering the competition he faced, he would be a major-major reach before the 7th round but should get drafted none the less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maJGf5asUVY

IowaSkinsFan

02-28-2010, 03:00 PM

Offensive lineman from Iowa, like everyone else from Iowa, are very dependable and well schooled. Bulaga would be a good pick.

Hr fan

03-01-2010, 12:04 PM

Shocked that OL not addressed at all in your 2nd scenario (I am carefully refraining from vinnie comparison - lol). How do you propose to address our worst area? If in fa please specify scenario(s). Thanks.

skinsfan36

03-01-2010, 12:24 PM

trade down a few spots if we are going for bulaga

whiskeytown

03-01-2010, 12:54 PM

Santheb

03-01-2010, 01:40 PM

oh, i thought he took an OL-man with our first pick at #4 overall.....

I think the team needs more than one draft choice spent on the offensive line.

whiskeytown

03-01-2010, 01:49 PM

I think the team needs more than one draft choice spent on the offensive line.

fair enough and i agree.
but my response was to someone claiming that the OL was "not addressed at all" in the scenario, when in fact it included using our highest draft pick on that position.

Santheb

03-01-2010, 01:52 PM

fair enough and i agree.
but my response was to someone claiming that the OL was "not addressed at all" in the scenario, when in fact it included using our highest draft pick on that position.

I'd consider that not addressed at all. One pick would not make a huge difference on our offensive line. That is, far and away, the #1 problem with this team and I will be sorely disappointed if the draft only includes one offensive lineman, even if he is our first rounder.

BurgundyNGold

03-01-2010, 02:02 PM

I'm fine with either of these scenarios. In fact, in years past I would say that you should prepare to get your heart broken when your players are there and we inexplicably select a FB lol. Hopefully, this year we're high fiving the fact that we made good draft picks.

whiskeytown

03-01-2010, 02:52 PM

Lavar703

03-01-2010, 03:27 PM

I'd consider that not addressed at all. One pick would not make a huge difference on our offensive line. That is, far and away, the #1 problem with this team and I will be sorely disappointed if the draft only includes one offensive lineman, even if he is our first rounder.

Im not basing this off of what I would like, Im basing it off of Bruce Allen's best player available comments. Clearly these guys would be the BPA and we have a lot more needs opening up with the switch to the 3-4 defense. We have a major need for a back up RB and at some point we will select a QB, thats a given. By selecting all OL we would be neglecting major needs all across the board, regardless of how poorly the OL performed. I also feel that when judging last years OL you must consider the offensive game plan aswell, not to mention Campbell's slow decision making and release. I feel the area of this team that will benefit the most from the hiring of Shanahan is the OL, he will be able to get more from less as far as that is concerned.

NCskinsfanatic

03-01-2010, 06:24 PM

Pretty decent scenario's Lavar...I would prefer scenario #1 but unfortunately I think Bradford's gonna be a Ram after his pro day workout. I was listening to Clayton on ESPN radio riding home tonight and he pointed out that at #1 that a QB is a better pick from a price/value standpoint. And while the Rams could use Suh, if Bradfords healthy he's a guy you can build a franchise around. Plus the Rams offense is almost as noin-existent as ours.

IMHO Bradford will be gone and tha'ts pretty depressing to me, I really had hoped we'd snag Bradford followed by a T like Brown in the 2nd. I'm not sold on Okung(who'll probably be there) and I think it's a little high for Bulaga(even though I like him better). I'd try like heck to trade down if Bradfords gone...maybe somebody will if they can choose between Okung, Mccoy, etc. Of course this assumes Suh goes #2 and Berry goes #3. I dont think Okung is the answer in our ZBS, nor do I think McCoy is a NT in a 3-4.

IowaSkinsFan

03-01-2010, 06:52 PM

Offensive lineman from Iowa, like everyone else from Iowa, are very dependable and well schooled. Bulaga would be a good pick.

No takers on this one, huh?

PyroGenic

03-01-2010, 08:22 PM

No takers on this one, huh?

The only guy I know from Iowa owes me $400 or a new TV. Sorry lol

lorimike

03-01-2010, 09:21 PM

Offensive lineman from Iowa, like everyone else from Iowa, are very dependable and well schooled. Bulaga would be a good pick.

Arms are too short. I like Campbell from Maryland. Hopefully in a trade down.

lorimike

03-01-2010, 09:34 PM

shally

03-01-2010, 09:41 PM

Okung or Campbell. Take a QB in round 4 or later . Both of these tackles have 36 inch arms, Okung had 38 reps on the bench, Campbell had 35. Relatively fast. 4.85 for Campbell 5.15 for Okung. Both have 10/1/4 inch hands. I look at Bulaga has strickly a right tackle. If we are sticking with Campbell at QB next year then we need two tackles. Okung or Campbell in round 1 and Charles Brown in round 2. I would love to see the center Olson in round 4.

Campbell has a lot of red flags.. not in terms of his measurables, but in terms of his game performances.. he has been downgraded by a lot of scouts based upon review of his tape.. i would far prefer to take a chance on Bulaga, who isnt a workout wonder, but who has been a consistently high performer game after game.. i bet Shanahan feels the same way

lorimike

03-01-2010, 09:45 PM

Campbell has a lot of red flags.. not in terms of his measurables, but in terms of his game performances.. he has been downgraded by a lot of scouts based upon review of his tape.. i would far prefer to take a chance on Bulaga, who isnt a workout wonder, but who has been a consistently high performer game after game.. i bet Shanahan feels the same way
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Too bad we'll have trouble trading down. It would be nice to stockpile another high pick. a lot of people like Bulaga, no doubt about that.

Lavar703

03-01-2010, 09:57 PM

Okung or Campbell. Take a QB in round 4 or later . Both of these tackles have 36 inch arms, Okung had 38 reps on the bench, Campbell had 35. Relatively fast. 4.85 for Campbell 5.15 for Okung. Both have 10/1/4 inch hands. I look at Bulaga has strickly a right tackle. If we are sticking with Campbell at QB next year then we need two tackles. Okung or Campbell in round 1 and Charles Brown in round 2. I would love to see the center Olson in round 4.

If we select Bruce Campbell with the 4th pick in the draft then I will realize nothing has changed and Im done with this team. Seriously I have been a die hard my whole life but that would be an absolutely unforgiveable mistake and would be on par with the Raiders selecting Heyward-Bey in the top 10 last year.

Moe

03-02-2010, 09:10 AM

Arms are too short.

Is it just me or is this new obsession with arm length just the newest retarded nitpickery du jour? These guys aren't basketball players so I fail to see why having an inch or two difference in arm length makes any difference. OT's might make an initial punch on pass protection, but if the guy has good feet and technique then long arms aren't going to be the difference.
As it pertains to the top end OT prospects, I've herad criticisms of Okung that include him not being consistently physical and reaching at times, which tells me that his long arms and impressive bench press don't mean a whole lot.

I like Campbell from Maryland. Hopefully in a trade down.

Mike Mamula v2.0

dj_stouty

03-02-2010, 09:12 AM

Campbell has a lot of red flags.. not in terms of his measurables, but in terms of his game performances.. he has been downgraded by a lot of scouts based upon review of his tape.. i would far prefer to take a chance on Bulaga, who isnt a workout wonder, but who has been a consistently high performer game after game.. i bet Shanahan feels the same way

I've heard the same things on Sirus and during Combine broadcasts. He is a workout warrior but those measurables don't translate to the field.

Having the fastest OT in the history of the game doesn't help if he is runnng towards the wrong end zone. lol

PASS

shally

03-02-2010, 09:31 AM

I've heard the same things on Sirus and during Combine broadcasts. He is a workout warrior but those measurables don't translate to the field.

Having the fastest OT in the history of the game doesn't help if he is runnng towards the wrong end zone. lol

PASS

one of the things that will protect us from that kind of mistake (i hope) is that Shanahan has long been a keen watcher of actual game tape to determine what he thinks of a player.. the upside is that he will not likely take a player who fails to be productive in games.. the downside, is that he has been in the past quoted as saying he believes he can motivate a player to maintaining that level of excellent play as a player under him.. so, i think, what that means to me is that he is much more likely to take a player like Cody, who has all world ability, but who is lazy, than a player like Campbell, who looks like a lion but plays like a lamb

smoak

03-02-2010, 01:19 PM

Arms are too short. I like Campbell from Maryland. Hopefully in a trade down.

Bryan Bulaga:
http://www.muralsforkids.com/images/trex.jpg

Arkangiest

03-02-2010, 03:06 PM

Great draft scenarios Lavar703, I completely overlooked Hardesty when writing up my RB thread. Hardesty would be a great pick in the 4th, he appears to be a patient runner with great vision, works well in space, would be a great fit for the ZBS.

Lets hope Vick makes his way to St. Louis, it would be a shame if we miss on Bradford, I long for the day the Redskins have an elite quarterback...

Bulaga is the best of the OT bunch, you're right on with that one, I just hope Bruce realizes that. I think Brandon Spikes would be pretty solid in the second, but if we were to go linebacker I would love for us to somehow trade up and grab Sean Weatherspoon. I can't explain what it is about this guy, he was born a linebacker, If Bradford is gone and we trade down and grab Bulaga while gaining some ammo to move our 2nd pick up to grab Weatherspoon I would lose my mind.

This Skelton guy out of Fordham seems very interesting. If a guy like Flacco can be successful out of Delaware why can't Skelton with the right tutelage.

1st- Hopefully Bradford, if not trade down with Oakland so they can grab Eric Berry or Bruce Campbell, we end up with Bulaga.

2nd- Hopefully we use whatever pick we get from Oakland to trade up and grab Weatherspoon

4th- Montario Hardesty

5th- Eric Olsen

7th- Adrian Tracy

Skinreds

03-02-2010, 03:45 PM

What about Eric Berry, another high pick on a safety.....cmon guys..........

*ducks out of way of shoes being thrown*

Ya...kidding but honestly Okung or Bulaga FTW

shally

03-02-2010, 03:57 PM

[QUOTE=Arkangiest;1302088]Great draft

Hardesty was supposedly talking to the Redskins at the combine.. if he is there in the 4th round, i think he is almost a lock for us..

Skaggsrules

03-02-2010, 05:21 PM

2010 Redskins NFL Mock Draft

Round 7: Adrian Tracy OLB W&M: Little known prospect from William and Mary, put up some really good numbers and is going to translate to a 3-4 Rush LB. Has good size and great speed for the position and frankly I don’t understand why he hasn’t gained more publicity as a prospect with most teams switching to a 3-4. He may even be gone by this point come draft day if you consider his size and speed and his ability to get to the QB, had 12 sacks as a senior and 31 total for his collegiate career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViCrwMUTZCg

Round 4: John Skelton QB Fordham: Big, strong-armed QB who put up some incredible numbers, albeit against lesser competition. Very quick for his size and reminds me a lot of Ben Rothlisberger with his ability to shrug off defenders. While he would be a project, he seems to be a Shanahan style QB, with a cannon for an arm and the ability to move around the pocket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMDDz5WvKQ

Seeing that I like to talk about small school prospects, I would take Arthur Moats over Adrian Tracy. Moats had a better season (and career for that matter) in the same conference as Tracy, both were at the combine, and Moats ran a faster 40 at the same weight, and 4 more reps on the bench. Also, Moats won the Buck Buchanan Award for best FCS D-player. Both are high character, high intensity guys, but I would love to see Moats in the Burgundy and Gold

Skeleton I haven't got to watch in person, but his numbers to too gaudy, against some weaker FCS teams (let alone FCS.) and he wasn't able to win too often at Fordham. Now, I know my factors come into winning and losing, but Fordham isn't in a tough conference, and the dividing factor for a lot of "weaker competition QB's" are winning and losing. Maybe he'd be a good project, not in the 4th round though

shally

03-02-2010, 05:36 PM

Seeing that I like to talk about small school prospects, I would take Arthur Moats over Adrian Tracy. Moats had a better season (and career for that matter) in the same conference as Tracy, both were at the combine, and Moats ran a faster 40 at the same weight, and 4 more reps on the bench. Also, Moats won the Buck Buchanan Award for best FCS D-player. Both are high character, high intensity guys, but I would love to see Moats in the Burgundy and Gold

Skeleton I haven't got to watch in person, but his numbers to too gaudy, against some weaker FCS teams (let alone FCS.) and he wasn't able to win too often at Fordham. Now, I know my factors come into winning and losing, but Fordham isn't in a tough conference, and the dividing factor for a lot of "weaker competition QB's" are winning and losing. Maybe he'd be a good project, not in the 4th round though

Because there was one Joe Flacco, every one is looking for the next version of him

tuckahoeskin

03-02-2010, 06:13 PM

Taylor21TheUndertaker

03-02-2010, 06:53 PM

Shockingly, the raiders have a 1, a 2, and two 3's in the draft. I pray someone big al covets is at #4.

IowaSkinsFan

03-02-2010, 06:56 PM

Is it just me or is this new obsession with arm length just the newest retarded nitpickery du jour? These guys aren't basketball players so I fail to see why having an inch or two difference in arm length makes any difference. OT's might make an initial punch on pass protection, but if the guy has good feet and technique then long arms aren't going to be the difference.
As it pertains to the top end OT prospects, I've herad criticisms of Okung that include him not being consistently physical and reaching at times, which tells me that his long arms and impressive bench press don't mean a whole lot.

Mike Mamula v2.0

Word.

Hr fan

03-03-2010, 10:52 AM

oh, i thought he took an OL-man with our first pick at #4 overall.....

This leaves Heyer, Rabach and Williams? as starters. Am a big Bulaga fan, but unless there is a great fa class we have upgraded from Levi Jones only, and each of the 3 above are worse IMO. Just asked for a scenario, and didn't mean to ignore Bulaga (who indeed may be a better RT than LT in the pros).