Skins sign Artis Hicks. Pashos To visit Cleveland [Archive]

NCskinsfanatic

03-06-2010, 06:47 PM

Per Rick Maese:

http://twitter.com/RickMaese

Hail yeah...I'm glad we're adding depth and potentail starters to an OL that was looking exactly like the horrible one we fielded last year lol. Pashos gives us versatility in the draft, even if he isnt a top flight starter at RT he's better than Heyer. Same for Hicks, he's probably better than BMW or Rhino right now although I admittedly dont know much about him.

akhhorus

03-06-2010, 06:56 PM

Pashos not a done deal: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/06/not-so-fast-pashos-leaves-dc-without-a-deal-visiting-cleveland/

NCskinsfanatic

03-06-2010, 06:59 PM

Pashos not a done deal: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/06/not-so-fast-pashos-leaves-dc-without-a-deal-visiting-cleveland/

ughh...used for leverage yet again.

Red Bear

03-06-2010, 07:04 PM

ughh...used for leverage yet again.

for once were raising the price for other teams if nothing else, usually its other teams raising the price on us

hogs86

03-06-2010, 07:08 PM

Pashos not a done deal: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/06/not-so-fast-pashos-leaves-dc-without-a-deal-visiting-cleveland/

I have a hate/ love relationship with PFT.................

bigcmr

03-06-2010, 07:16 PM

I wonder what the hold up was.

Red Bear

03-06-2010, 07:17 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/free-agency/redskins-ol-hicks-agree-to-ter.html

Hicks, a versatile lineman who spent the past four seasons with Minnesota, received about $3 million in guaranteed money as part of a deal that could be worth as much as $9 million, according to a league source.

sounds like good value.

NCskinsfanatic

03-06-2010, 07:24 PM

I wonder what the hold up was.

Probably guaranteed money that or being guaranteed the starting RT gig. he arrived yesterday so there must have been interest if he just left tonight for Cleveland. Maybe he's pullin' a Clifton and trying to raise the price only to end up back in SF.

bigcmr

03-06-2010, 07:27 PM

I like the Artis Hicks signing. But we do need a OT bad.

LadyNRedskinsfan

03-06-2010, 07:29 PM

I fixed the title. The lack of news about Pashos was a buzzkill, lol.

NCskinsfanatic

03-06-2010, 07:33 PM

I fixed the title. The lack of news about Pashos was a buzzkill, lol.

Agreed, a beat reporter for the skins evidentally reported we signed Pashos but PFT has confirmed he left for Cleveland without signing.

Red Bear

03-06-2010, 07:40 PM

Agreed, a beat reporter for the skins evidentally reported we signed Pashos but PFT has confirmed he left for Cleveland without signing.

PFT also posted that pashos had signed, then posted minutes later that he left for cleveland

NCskinsfanatic

03-06-2010, 07:45 PM

PFT also posted that pashos had signed, then posted minutes later that he left for cleveland

Well I wish they had both been right from the jump lol...

NCskinsfanatic

03-06-2010, 08:12 PM

Well not only is Pashos visiting Cleveland but the Browns might be interested in trading up infront of us for Bradford if the Rams go DT.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/clubhouse_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=CLE

The Lions are reportedly holding out hope that the Rams take a defensive tackle at No. 1, so they can deal the No. 2 pick to the Browns or Bills.
Both teams are believed to be intrigued by the idea of moving ahead of the Redskins to select a quarterback, likely Sam Bradford. The Lions are also hesitant to guarantee over $30 million to one player after dolling out $40 million to Matthew Stafford last year.

MadDog97

03-06-2010, 08:15 PM

Well I wish they had both been right from the jump lol...

I guest the media is going through withdrawal because the Skins are acting like, dare I say it, a professional organization? Artis Hicks is a good signing. At age 31 he has experience but is not over the hill for an offensive lineman. Though it would have been nice to have Pashos, the fact the Skins did not cave totally on cost tells me they are looking at value. Considering that Minnesota has shown a good offensive line in recent memory makes me feel better about Artis.

I really like what I am seeing so far. There is patience and maybe Allen and Shannahan are considering the depth of offensive tackles in the draft. If they get Parker at running back that gives us good depth at that position. I don't think Clinton wants to push the wrong button with Shanny. They were also very cautious with the injured nose tackle and did not just jump on him.

Nice to see the adults running the show, for a change.

:niceday:

:sun:

skinsfan36

03-06-2010, 10:37 PM

nice signing. Hicks is very versataile and can probably start at RG for the next 2-3 years. we need to get younger for sure but he can provide depth if we do that to. he can play every position other then center.
heard that pashos wanted a little more then what we offered and will see what cleveland will offer then make a decision.

Hr fan

03-07-2010, 07:24 AM

With Clifton/Pashos experience it is obvious players/agents are using the 'Skins to drive up the price. At the very least we are sheding the reputation for overpaying! This is far more valuable than signing a mid to low tier over 30 vet, even for a position of need. And as Shally has pointed out elsewhere, better players are facing the June 1 cut as the draft shakes out rosters, and having a rep for setting a fair price rather than being a useable factor in driving up the price/overpaying will start paying dividends this year and beyond.

NamVet4

03-07-2010, 07:37 AM

I have no comment to Artis Hicks ability.. just to his age. . .I leave it to the rest of you to validate his skill and talent . . .Another over 30 player!
When does the youth movement begin?

firehawk157

03-07-2010, 09:16 AM

I have no comment to Artis Hicks ability.. just to his age. . .I leave it to the rest of you to validate his skill and talent . . .Another over 30 player!
When does the youth movement begin?

Hey, if you know of a decent OL under the age of 30, please let us know.

shally

03-07-2010, 11:25 AM

the more i think about it...

Hicks = Bridges, minus the character issues

a versatile, mature, capable backup/starter who can play 4 out of 5 o line positions and not hurt you when he is in there. every team needs a player like that

BurgundyNGold

03-07-2010, 11:51 AM

Lavar703

03-07-2010, 12:02 PM

Well not only is Pashos visiting Cleveland but the Browns might be interested in trading up infront of us for Bradford if the Rams go DT.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/clubhouse_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=CLE

I could see Buffalo possibly trading up but Holmgren publicly complained about the QBs not throwing at the combine.

cal_junior

03-07-2010, 12:03 PM

When does the youth movement begin?

My guess would be the draft. You pick up a couple vets to get your through next season, while drafting youngsters for the future. Regardless, it is going to take at least two off-seasons/drafts to build the organization to where it needs to be.

The do-it-now Snyder days appear to be over. Building the foundation of a strong roster takes patience.

RedskinForLife

03-07-2010, 12:28 PM

My guess would be the draft. You pick up a couple vets to get your through next season, while drafting youngsters for the future. Regardless, it is going to take at least two off-seasons/drafts to build the organization to where it needs to be.

The do-it-now Snyder days appear to be over. Building the foundation of a strong roster takes patience.

So true, I love how the team of Allen and Shanahan are doing their howework.

VegasSkinsFan

03-07-2010, 12:33 PM

So true, I love how the team of Allen and Shanahan are doing their howework.

+1 I love that there seems to be a plan. I like bringing in some vets to hold the fort while still be competitive and planning the rebuilding. The only wrinkle to the plan, and i assume there is a backup plan, is that if they are targeting Bradford i think the rams are going to take him. Which leads me to my next favorite thing...we have no idea of the plan. Is this what it feels like to be a fan of the patriots/colts or any other real organization ??

wide_awake

03-07-2010, 12:43 PM

+1 I love that there seems to be a plan. I like bringing in some vets to hold the fort while still be competitive and planning the rebuilding. The only wrinkle to the plan, and i assume there is a backup plan, is that if they are targeting Bradford i think the rams are going to take him. Which leads me to my next favorite thing...we have no idea of the plan. Is this what it feels like to be a fan of the patriots/colts or any other real organization ??

My favorite part of this plan is that they aren't trying to fill every single hole in one year through free agency and the draft.

IowaSkinsFan

03-07-2010, 01:40 PM

Did anyone read the Pashos agent comments. Dude sounds like he was PO'd that Pashos didn't get a traditional, Redskins FA period type contract offer.

Team must really be exercising some fiscal constraint this year!

colkurtz

03-07-2010, 01:50 PM

cal_junior

03-07-2010, 02:30 PM

Pashos is a Brown. Three years, $10.3 million

RedskinsDave

03-07-2010, 02:37 PM

Pashos is a Brown. Three years, $10.3 million

I hope he enjoyed his free dinner.

wide_awake

03-07-2010, 02:41 PM

I hope he enjoyed his free dinner.

and 3 seasons of losing

Lavar703

03-07-2010, 02:43 PM

Our problem before was over-paying for big name players or wasting draft picks on flash positions, then having little depth.

We're now getting reasonably priced players for depth, versability and instant improvements on our horrid OL.

This franchise is turning around and it will bear fruit sooner rather than later.

We've signed one guy that's a 31 year old career back-up. I don't see the reasonably priced players that are instant improvements considering we've basically done nothing but re-sign the same bums that played on this horrible OL last year.

redcayman

03-07-2010, 03:04 PM

I know its early but I don't see how we have gotten any better. Cutting players is fine but it would mean more if there were a cap. I understand not over paying for flash but I would like to see us address some of our weaknesses.

flave1969

03-07-2010, 03:20 PM

Is 3 years 10.3 million not a reasonable price for Pashos? I am just askingbecause in this market place I genuinely don't know.

cal_junior

03-07-2010, 03:45 PM

I know its early

I think you could have stopped right there. Three days after the start of FA isn't the time to determine if the Skins have gotten any better. Let's at least wait until after the draft.

IowaSkinsFan

03-07-2010, 03:51 PM

Pashos is a Brown. Three years, $10.3 million

Jeebus, I wondered what we offered. Hicks got virtually the same deal.

bigcmr

03-07-2010, 04:02 PM

Jeebus, I wondered what we offered. Hicks got virtually the same deal.

Im thinking the FO wasent that high on him in the first place. Maybe it was one of those if we get him for a bargan ok. But lets not reach for him kind of players.

IowaSkinsFan

03-07-2010, 04:05 PM

Im thinking the FO wasent that high on him in the first place. Maybe it was one of those if we get him for a bargan ok. But lets not reach for him kind of players.

He was about that best UFA OT left on the market. Maybe this points to OT getting focus in the draft.

Another thing I am thinking is that Levi Jones may be moved to RT and the take the best LT on the board at either 4 or 37.

shally

03-07-2010, 04:12 PM

Jeebus, I wondered what we offered. Hicks got virtually the same deal.

wonder if we offered him much of anything beyond a 1 year deal ??

shally

03-07-2010, 04:13 PM

He was about that best UFA OT left on the market. Maybe this points to OT getting focus in the draft.

Another thing I am thinking is that Levi Jones may be moved to RT and the take the best LT on the board at either 4 or 37.

..and there will most definitely be a second wave of free agents after june 1

IowaSkinsFan

03-07-2010, 04:25 PM

..and there will most definitely be a second wave of free agents after june 1

Is that still the case with no CBA in place after 2011 and no cap in 2010? The only reason to cut after June 1 was to defer a cap hit to the following season. With no 2011 as of now and no cap this year, teams could cut anyone they want at any time.

bigcmr

03-07-2010, 04:27 PM

He was about that best UFA OT left on the market. Maybe this points to OT getting focus in the draft.

Another thing I am thinking is that Levi Jones may be moved to RT and the take the best LT on the board at either 4 or 37.

We must draft at least 2 Olineman with our 5 picks.

IowaSkinsFan

03-07-2010, 04:32 PM

We must draft at least 2 Olineman with our 5 picks.

Don't disagree, but with no third round pick, I seriously doubt we get quality lineman who can start as a rookie from round 4. And the likelyhood of taking a QB with the fourth pick, like it or not, is very high.

NCskinsfanatic

03-07-2010, 06:08 PM

Pashos is a Brown. Three years, $10.3 million

I knew when he left without a contract he wasnt signing here. Seems like a pretty fair deal for a starting caliber RT to me, he was one of the better options in the ufa market the drop off after Pashos is pretty steep. Hope thos new cautious approach doesnt leave us empty handed...looks like if they dont sign when they visit, they arent gonna be signed by us.

IowaSkinsFan

03-07-2010, 06:15 PM

I knew when he left without a contract he wasnt signing here. Seems like a pretty fair deal for a starting caliber RT to me, he was one of the better options in the ufa market the drop off after Pashos is pretty steep. Hope thos new cautious approach doesnt leave us empty handed...looks like if they dont sign when they visit, they arent gonna be signed by us.

Every day that goes by without signings makes you really wonder what is going to happen in the draft. I would think that if you were set on drafting a QB at 4, you would make sure you had an O line that could protect, even if it meant overpaying a little for a shallow pool of UFA OT's.

The fact that they haven't broke the bank on either Clifton or Pashos indicates that Bradford at #4 might not be a done deal (if he is there when the pick arrives).

shally

03-07-2010, 06:15 PM

Don't disagree, but with no third round pick, I seriously doubt we get quality lineman who can start as a rookie from round 4. And the likelyhood of taking a QB with the fourth pick, like it or not, is very high.

because that is probably the only realistic way of having a shot at a franchise qb

you can find starting linemen all through the draft- just look at the rosters and where players come from.. not so with QB's

IowaSkinsFan

03-07-2010, 06:18 PM

because that is probably the only realistic way of having a shot at a franchise qb

you can find starting linemen all through the draft- just look at the rosters and where players come from.. not so with QB's

Sure you can, but finding ones who can start as rookies down that far is another story.

shally, did you get see my post about June 1st cuts?

shally

03-07-2010, 06:21 PM

Sure you can, but finding ones who can start as rookies down that far is another story.

shally, did you get see my post about June 1st cuts?

no.. what thread is it in ? i think the Redskins (and Tampa among other teams) will be more active in free agency come June 1.. there will be players out there who can help us then

shally

03-07-2010, 06:26 PM

Is that still the case with no CBA in place after 2011 and no cap in 2010? The only reason to cut after June 1 was to defer a cap hit to the following season. With no 2011 as of now and no cap this year, teams could cut anyone they want at any time.

true.. but, teams dont know what impact the draft will have on their rosters.. plus, post draft UDFA's from college..

most teams will be looking to save as much money as they can and replacing vets with college free agents is the best way i can think of.. teams are worried about a work stoppage in 2011 and dont want to be on the hook for huge salaries without a revenue stream if there is a strike/lockout.. some teams will roll the dice and pick up players.. others wont do it out of fear of going belly up

that is where those june 1 cuts are coming from

skinsfan36

03-07-2010, 07:29 PM

heard the skins are trying to resign levi jones to play RT. i think he could be a decent stopgap on that side. he was lukewarm(had good games and bad ones) at LT. its safe to say we will draft a LT at 4 or 37

BurgundyNGold

03-07-2010, 08:53 PM

My favorite part of this plan is that they aren't trying to fill every single hole in one year through free agency and the draft.
I'd like to see them start filling a hole or two, though, here and there. Maybe just for nostalgia.

NCskinsfanatic

03-08-2010, 12:04 AM

Every day that goes by without signings makes you really wonder what is going to happen in the draft. I would think that if you were set on drafting a QB at 4, you would make sure you had an O line that could protect, even if it meant overpaying a little for a shallow pool of UFA OT's.

The fact that they haven't broke the bank on either Clifton or Pashos indicates that Bradford at #4 might not be a done deal (if he is there when the pick arrives).

Pashos didnt recieve an outrageous deal with Cleveland and I'd guess we probably made an offer that was close... maybe an equal contract to Hicks(which was a mil and some change less than he got from the Browns). I dont think Pashos was the end all be all at RT but he sure looks better than most of the remaining UFA RT's. With very few draft picks, slim pickins in free agency and no cap now isnt the time to be overly thrifty imo.

I agree that with the way things are looking Shanny better like JC because he's gonna need to go OT with #4 and #37 to have any hopes of protecting his QB. You sit back and play it cautious when you have a full draft and there are several options in UFA that fit your team's needs...not the other way around.

Quite honestly I think Bradford will go to the Rams and if he doesnt rumor is the Browns and the Bills are interested in trading up to number 2 to get him. I dont think we'll ever see Bradford. I have also heard that the Lions may take Okung at number 2 instead of a DT with their recent free agent signings. We're liable to be forced to take BPA at #4 even if that's a DT, Berry or McClain...