Skins inquiring about Carriker

[dj_stouty]

Link (http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora)

Per JLC:


Redskins among the team to inquire about Rams DT Adam Carriker. Coach Jim Haslett was in STL when Rams drafted him. More on NFL.com/NFLN

[akhhorus]

If the Rams are talking about dealing him, it means they're going with Suh.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I hope they do draft a boy named Suh, I want Bradford badly and a LT with our number 37 pick...either Brown or Fox.

[shoogknight]

If the Rams are talking about dealing him, it means they're going with Suh.

I think you are totally right about the rams. But what if the Skins inquired just to help determine the Rams direction on Bradford? Maybe Skins dont want Carriker at all.

Just a thought.

[dj_stouty]

If the Rams are talking about dealing him, it means they're going with Suh.

And they may want Campbell to be part of the trade for Carricker....

Campbell for Long and Carricker would make me a happy mofo. :)

[shally]

Link (http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora)

Per JLC:

he has been a huge disappointment to this point.. he needs a change of scenery.. maybe better off in a 3/4 scheme as a DE ??

[shally]

If the Rams are talking about dealing him, it means they're going with Suh.

+1

very good thought !!

[skins4life24]

how about Carter for Carriker straight up.

[akhhorus]

And they may want Campbell to be part of the trade for Carricker....

Campbell for Long and Carricker would make me a happy mofo. :)

Campbell for Carriker and a 3rd. Done deal imo.

+1

very good thought !!

I have my moments lol.

how about Carter for Carriker straight up.

Great thought.

[NCskinsfanatic]

And they may want Campbell to be part of the trade for Carricker....

Campbell for Long and Carricker would make me a happy mofo. :)

Not sure we could get Long and Carricker for JC alone but I wouldnt mind it lol. As for Rams players, I'd like to sign Atogwe :)... although with the right contract structure I suppose we could get him without trading.

[shally]

Not sure we could get Long and Carricker for JC alone but I wouldnt mind it lol. As for Rams players, I'd like to sign Atogwe :)... although with the right contract structure I suppose we could get him without trading.

Rams still have right of refusal on him.. supposedly they put 6 million per year on the table for him and he is looking for 8 per year..

we WONT get Long and Carricker for Campbell.. we would get one (we dont need Long any more) plus some kind of pick for Campbell

[DaveKShape]

oh sweet god i hope the rams take suh.

[Gravy]

Campbell for Carriker and a 3rd. Done deal imo.

Is this possible? Or should I say, do you think this would be a Allen/Shanny move? And I am assuming this a 3rd in 2011!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Rams still have right of refusal on him.. supposedly they put 6 million per year on the table for him and he is looking for 8 per year..

we WONT get Long and Carricker for Campbell.. we would get one (we dont need Long any more) plus some kind of pick for Campbell

Well if we poison pilled the contract and slightly ourtbid the Rams 6 per year perhaps we could get it done. I think the secondary will continue to struggle until we have a FS of Otogwe's level. We have like umpteen dozen SS's and one back up FS as things stand right now.

[NCskinsfanatic]

oh sweet god i hope the rams take suh.

+1 but we'd still have to worry about the lions or Bucs trading down with Seattle, Buffalo or Cleveland.

[Skaggsrules]

I'd do Campbell and Carter for Long, Carriker and a conditional 4th

[shally]

Well if we poison pilled the contract and slightly ourtbid the Rams 6 per year perhaps we could get it done. I think the secondary will continue to struggle until we have a FS of Otogwe's level. We have like umpteen dozen SS's and one back up FS as things stand right now.

Agreed about the need for a FS.. we just dont seem to be pushing very hard for any options there right now.. Sean Jones is still looking for a home.
we made no push on Clark or Rolle.. maybe we are waiting for Sharper to heal from his knee surgery ??

[shally]

I'd do Campbell and Carter for Long, Carriker and a conditional 4th

NO WAY the Rams want him that much.. we are probably going to get, at best a 3rd for Campbell as it stands..How does that morph into 2 players PLUS a pick ? my guess is that Vick or Kolb ends up on the Rams long before Campbell does..
there isnt that much demand for Campbell yet..

[skins4life24]

Agreed about the need for a FS.. we just dont seem to be pushing very hard for any options there right now.. Sean Jones is still looking for a home.
we made no push on Clark or Rolle.. maybe we are waiting for Sharper to heal from his knee surgery ??

I hope not, he was great last year but eventually those wheels are going to fall off . . . I don't want that to be in a redskins uniform.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Agreed about the need for a FS.. we just dont seem to be pushing very hard for any options there right now.. Sean Jones is still looking for a home.
we made no push on Clark or Rolle.. maybe we are waiting for Sharper to heal from his knee surgery ??

Perhaps so...seems like Sharper is interested in the Saints then the Jets and wants to get paid, rather have Otogwe. I like Jones but he's fallen off since a great season in Cleveland, is he a true FS or more of a SS though, heard he was visiting with the Fecals.

[akhhorus]

Is this possible? Or should I say, do you think this would be a Allen/Shanny move? And I am assuming this a 3rd in 2011!

Sure, its possible. The Rams are probably losing Leonard Little in free agency and Carter would be a good fit for them imo. I think this would be a smart deal since Carter has no role in our defense.

[Jvon91]

How about JC and Carter for Carricker and a third.. Makes sense for both parties

Carricker could be a beast at DE next Kemoeatu at nose and Big Al

[Simosthegooner]

I hope they do draft a boy named Suh, I want Bradford badly and a LT with our number 37 pick...either Brown or Fox.

.....so if he is a franchise QB why wouldn't the Rams take him?? i don't get it if he is a franchise QB and the team picking first needs a QB why dont they take him? if he is as good as you think he will be gone by 4 if not why should we pick him - tackle please.

[Skaggsrules]

NO WAY the Rams want him that much.. we are probably going to get, at best a 3rd for Campbell as it stands..How does that morph into 2 players PLUS a pick ? my guess is that Vick or Kolb ends up on the Rams long before Campbell does..
there isnt that much demand for Campbell yet..

Campbell and Carter together have done more than Carriker and Long, and both Campbell and Carter can still produce, thus they need a pick to even that trade out. I wasn't talking Campbell only for those two and and pick

[Simosthegooner]

How about JC and Carter for Carricker and a third.. Makes sense for both parties

Carricker could be a beast at DE next Kemoeatu at nose and Big Al

has Vinny gone to St Louis?

[NCskinsfanatic]

.....so if he is a franchise QB why wouldn't the Rams take him?? i don't get it if he is a franchise QB and the team picking first needs a QB why dont they take him? if he is as good as you think he will be gone by 4 if not why should we pick him - tackle please.

My reasoning is simple...we can get a starting LT in Fox or Brown at #37, QB not so much imo. Why would the Rams pass...why did the pass on Ryan the year before or Sannchez last year?

[Skaggsrules]

My reasoning is simple...we can get a starting LT in Fox or Brown at #37, QB not so much imo. Why would the Rams pass...why did the pass on Ryan the year before or Sannchez last year?

Third time's a charm? :whoknows:

[shally]

How about JC and Carter for Carricker and a third.. Makes sense for both parties

Carricker could be a beast at DE next Kemoeatu at nose and Big Al

might work.. problem is that there arent very many deals of that kind of complexity happening now.. usually one player for a pick..

[shally]

Campbell and Carter together have done more than Carriker and Long, and both Campbell and Carter can still produce, thus they need a pick to even that trade out. I wasn't talking Campbell only for those two and and pick

honestly, i think the Rams are looking more at Vick, or Kolb before they think of anyone else.. considering the kind of job that Spags defense did on Campbell (he has NEVER beaten the Giants) i just dont think he is that hot to get him

[NCskinsfanatic]

honestly, i think the Rams are looking more at Vick, or Kolb before they think of anyone else.. considering the kind of job that Spags defense did on Campbell (he has NEVER beaten the Giants) i just dont think he is that hot to get him

Now that's a good point lol...

[Skins7ny]

I think you are totally right about the rams. But what if the Skins inquired just to help determine the Rams direction on Bradford? Maybe Skins dont want Carriker at all.
Just a thought.
THAT would be a brilliant, savvy, veteran FO move. And exactly the type of thing I could see Allehan doing. And the type of thing that our former GM wouldn't have the mental capacity to think of.
And they may want Campbell to be part of the trade for Carricker....
Campbell for Long and Carricker would make me a happy mofo. :)
Both Long and Carricker have been major busts to date (cue up Naked Gun joke). Why would we want either of them? Because of their college reputations? Pass. They are both tweeners who probably aren't going to succeed in the NFL.
Campbell for Carriker and a 3rd. Done deal imo.
I have my moments lol. Great thought.
This isn't one of them LOL. As I said earlier, Carriker has shown almost no evidence that he is anything other than an average player at this level, and on top of that, he cannot stay healthy. He has been a huge disappointment to the Rams considering his draft position. He was injured for much of 2008 and missed all of last year. As a result, he has started only about 1/2 of the games over his 3 seasons in the league. He has made 2.0 sacks for a grand total of 1 yard (meaning that they were not backfield sacks, but occurred right at the line of scrimmage) and only 53 tackles.

I see no need to rescue the Rams from their mistakes. Ditto with Chris Long.

[Simosthegooner]

My reasoning is simple...we can get a starting LT in Fox or Brown at #37, QB not so much imo. Why would the Rams pass...why did the pass on Ryan the year before or Sannchez last year?

Fox meh, dont know that much on brown but Ryan, franchise? sanchez? come on give their front office some credit (except Long!) i wouldn't want either. again if Bradford is all that they would take him so if they dont why should we? i aint seeing a sure thing and missing a okung, davies or Bulaga would be an error IMO

[dj_stouty]

Both Long and Carricker have been major busts to date (cue up Naked Gun joke). Why would we want either of them? Because of their college reputations? Pass. They are both tweeners who probably aren't going to succeed in the NFL. .

I think Long would do well in a 3-4 at DE. Especially if he had AH on the other side taking all the action. In the right system, Long would really strive in the NFL. He has been used incorrectly since the day he stepped on the field at STL; not to mention that you can't rack up a bunch of sacks when your opponent shuts down their passing attack part way through the 2nd quarter due to a blowout.

[akhhorus]

This isn't one of them LOL. As I said earlier, Carriker has shown almost no evidence that he is anything other than an average player at this level, and on top of that, he cannot stay healthy. He has been a huge disappointment to the Rams considering his draft position. He was injured for much of 2008 and missed all of last year. As a result, he has started only about 1/2 of the games over his 3 seasons in the league. He has made 2.0 sacks for a grand total of 1 yard (meaning that they were not backfield sacks, but occurred right at the line of scrimmage) and only 53 tackles.

Fascinating, but I was responding to Shally's comment to my comment: "If the Rams are talking about dealing him, it means they're going with Suh." So, what does the rest of your paragraph have to with that?

[Simosthegooner]

I think Long would do well in a 3-4 at DE. Especially if he had AH on the other side taking all the action. In the right system, Long would really strive in the NFL. He has been used incorrectly since the day he stepped on the field at STL; not to mention that you can't rack up a bunch of sacks when your opponent shuts down their passing attack part way through the 2nd quarter due to a blowout.

agree but hes not worth the money, 3-4 ends are easy finds, Daniels for Christ' s sake!!!!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Fox meh, dont know that much on brown but Ryan, franchise? sanchez? come on give their front office some credit (except Long!) i wouldn't want either. again if Bradford is all that they would take him so if they dont why should we? i aint seeing a sure thing and missing a okung, davies or Bulaga would be an error IMO

Id be happy to have Ryan, Bradford, Flaaco or Sanchez at QB for Shanny to develop. I'm not saying those guys are the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady but that they are guys that could all be considered guys that you can consistently win with in a solid offensive scheme. I like Okung too and dont expect either Bradford or Okung to be available at number 4 if Bradford goes number 1... maybe Im right, maybe I'm wrong but that's my opinion lol.

[Simosthegooner]

Id be happy to have Ryan, Bradford, Flaaco or Sanchez at QB for Shanny to develop. I'm not saying those guys are the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady but that they are guys that could all be considered guys that you can consistently win with in a solid offensive scheme. I like Okung too and dont expect either Bradford or Okung to be available at number 4 if Bradford goes number 1... maybe Im right, maybe I'm wrong but that's my opinion lol.

if the line was right do you not think Campbell is as good as Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez? now i am not sure but i dont see any of them as top notch QBs a la Rivers, Brees etc but i just think if bradford is that good they will take him #1 (come on Ryan and sanchez aren't that good!)

[CapitalDefense]

he has been a huge disappointment to this point.. he needs a change of scenery.. maybe better off in a 3/4 scheme as a DE ??

Agreed, as a DT he is undersized, but as a 3-4 DE he might be perfect. With that said Andre Carter, unless he moves to LB, is undersized as a 3-4 DE. Could we make an even swap?

[akhhorus]

Agreed, as a DT he is undersized, but as a 3-4 DE he might be perfect. With that said Andre Carter, unless he moves to LB, is undersized as a 3-4 DE. Could we make an even swap?

JLC was hinting at that with his full report on this.

[Simosthegooner]

Agreed, as a DT he is undersized, but as a 3-4 DE he might be perfect. With that said Andre Carter, unless he moves to LB, is undersized as a 3-4 DE. Could we make an even swap?

why would any swap for a 31 year old DE? especially when teams know he doesnt fit our new scheme?

[CapitalDefense]

why would any swap for a 31 year old DE? especially when teams know he doesnt fit our new scheme?

We are not going to release a guy that had 11 sacks, that would be stupid on our part. Somebody will give us something for Carter why not a career underachiever?

Carter had 62 tackles and 11 sacks last year alone

vs

Carriker has 53 tackles and 2 sacxks in his whole career

[Skins7ny]

I think Long would do well in a 3-4 at DE. Especially if he had AH on the other side taking all the action. In the right system, Long would really strive in the NFL. He has been used incorrectly since the day he stepped on the field at STL; not to mention that you can't rack up a bunch of sacks when your opponent shuts down their passing attack part way through the 2nd quarter due to a blowout.
When Long came out, wasn't he talked about as a tweener OLB/DE type?? I don't think he is big or stout enough to play end in a 3-4.
Fascinating, but I was responding to Shally's comment to my comment: "If the Rams are talking about dealing him, it means they're going with Suh." So, what does the rest of your paragraph have to with that? I know what you were responding to, my point is that while you were correct on that post, you were way off on this post.

And as you like to say, "thanks for not addressing the substance of my post." There is no rejoinder for Carriker's mediocrity. And you are advocating a 1 for 1 swap!

Agreed, as a DT he is undersized, but as a 3-4 DE he might be perfect. With that said Andre Carter, unless he moves to LB, is undersized as a 3-4 DE. Could we make an even swap? I think it would be a big mistake to trade a guy who had 11 sacks and played the run last year about as well as a 4-3 RDE has played it in years for a mediocre, one-dimensional, run-only player. I think we are only talking about Carriker because he was drafted #13, making him somewhat of a name. Chasing names has been our downfall. We need to chase producers, not names.

As Simos pointed out, one-dimensional run-stuffers are not hard to find. We re-signed Daniels and can re-sign Renaldo Wynn for a cheese sandwich. Both are strong enough to play a 3-4 DE on run downs at around 290 lbs. Of course, I would always rather have a better player, but Carriker has not shown 3 years into his career that he is better than Daniels. He started all 16 games at LDT, which is somewhat equivalent to a 3-4 LDE or NT. How was the Rams' run defense last year?

If we traded Carter for Carriker, I would want at least the Rams' 3rd-rounder thrown in. I would prefer to see if some playoff team (one that might be restricted from making free agent moves under the new rules) or one on the cusp of the playoffs give us a mid-to-low 2nd-rounder. Pass-rushing DEs are hard to find, and Carter has a good reputation throughout the league. A good team looking for a pass rush to put them over the top might take a swing at Carter in trade.

Unlike prior years, I trust this FO to exhaust every possibility.

[akhhorus]

I know what you were responding to, my point is that while you were correct on that post, you were way off on this post.

So, why don't you just respond to the post you disagree with instead of dragging in an irrelevant post just for a fumbled attempt at a snark?


And as you like to say, "thanks for not addressing the substance of my post." There is no rejoinder for Carriker's mediocrity. And you are advocating a 1 for 1 swap!

Carter has no role in our new defense. He's played in a 3-4 and was a disaster at OLB. Trading an older, yet productive in another system, player in the final year of his contract(we probably won't be picking up his option, so his deal would void after 2010) for a young, cheaper player who would fit in our system and fill a major need sounds like the kind of deal you've been "advocating" for here for years.

I don't think Carriker is anything special, but he would represent a better fit for the system and the skins can pawn off a larger contract on another team. And if Carriker just sucks donkey balls, we're exactly where we would be in a year if we didn't make the deal: without Carriker or Carter lol.

[NCskinsfanatic]

if the line was right do you not think Campbell is as good as Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez? now i am not sure but i dont see any of them as top notch QBs a la Rivers, Brees etc but i just think if bradford is that good they will take him #1 (come on Ryan and sanchez aren't that good!)

Ryan I think is much better than JC, Sanchez maybe in time, atleast parts of his game are imo i.e. release and accuracy( if you remove JC's screens, dump off's and short slants he's not the accurate passer he seems to be)The thing for me is JC's a 5 year vet, we shouldnt even be able to compare them but we can because JC's been so underwhelming thus far. The OL is certainly to fault but to me its 60% OL and 40% JC at best...he holds the ball too long, has a long windup, consistently misses targets deep and lacks the fiery tempermant that some of the other guys have, evebn as rookies or sophmores.

[skins4life24]

When Long came out, wasn't he talked about as a tweener OLB/DE type?? I don't think he is big or stout enough to play end in a 3-4.


That is interesting seeing as how he played that (DE) all through college in UVA's 3-4 scheme and did well enough at it to warrant top 5 pick. St. Louis has been playing him out of position since he got there know one knows what he can do in the NFL.

[Skin-E-Dip]

Love that we keep going after all this grade A RuthChris beef

[dj_stouty]

When Long came out, wasn't he talked about as a tweener OLB/DE type?? I don't think he is big or stout enough to play end in a 3-4. .

Long played 3-4 DE his entire college career under Groh. 3-4 is a pretty rare formation for college and he has a ton of experience it in. Right now, Spags is misusing him.

He is 6'3" and 276 pounds...which really is pretty comparable to the Luis Castillos and Darnell Docketts of the NFL.

[Skaggsrules]

Long played 3-4 DE his entire college career under Groh. 3-4 is a pretty rare formation for college and he has a ton of experience it in. Right now, Spags is misusing him.

He is 6'3" and 276 pounds...which really is pretty comparable to the Luis Castillos and Darnell Docketts of the NFL.

Ask Chris Turner if Chris Long was stout enough to play DE in a 3-4

[lorimike]

why would any swap for a 31 year old DE? especially when teams know he doesnt fit our new scheme?

Because the guy fits their 4-3 system and is still productive, is in amazing shape and probably has 5 years left in the tank. I would say Carter for Carriker would tilt more towards the Rams than us as Andre has proven he can be a double digit sack producer.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

the guy was also a first round pick a few years back was'nt he?i'd like to see the skins also go after chris long.i think carter is as good as gone!

[fent]

As Simos pointed out, one-dimensional run-stuffers are not hard to find. We re-signed Daniels and can re-sign Renaldo Wynn for a cheese sandwich. Both are strong enough to play a 3-4 DE on run downs at around 290 lbs. Of course, I would always rather have a better player, but Carriker has not shown 3 years into his career that he is better than Daniels. He started all 16 games at LDT, which is somewhat equivalent to a 3-4 LDE or NT. How was the Rams' run defense last year?


Carriker was put on IR during the preseason last year. That being said, they were actually worse the year before. However, his rookie year they were .8 ypc and 39.5/game better than his sophomore year. They were also better that year than 2009.

One bit of issue with that logic, though...you can't pin one player with a stat like ypg. Take the skins as an example there. We were .3 ypc and 17 ypg worse in 2009 than in 2008. Does that mean Haynesworth is a downgrade from Griffin/Montgomery/Golston? Obviously the answer to that question is no, but if we take the logic that you're trying to apply to Carriker being defined by a team stat, then the answer to that question would be "yes."

I don't love Carriker as a big play kind of guy, but if we can get a young 3-4 DE for a player that no longer fits our scheme and won't be on the team in 2011 anyway, there's no problem with the move in my mind. By all means the FO should try and wring everything they can out of St. Louis if they go that route, but as the base of the deal, moving a player that doesn't fit your scheme for a player that does is a good move even before you consider the significant age difference.

[LATrueRedskin]

We have to try and include Andre Carter in this deal or another deal. There's no place to put him in our defense where he can be truely effective.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I actually think the SKINS want to take a DT from them, so they will take Suh, cause Shanny wants Bradford. This seems clear as day. But, if we give Carter for a guy who was injured all last year, will we get a pick back in return. After all Carter had 11 sacks last year, and Carriker has had a total of 2 his whole career. I hope this is a move to gain picks and make the Rams want Suh.

[Hr fan]

Agreed, as a DT he is undersized, but as a 3-4 DE he might be perfect. With that said Andre Carter, unless he moves to LB, is undersized as a 3-4 DE. Could we make an even swap?

Pay Carter's bonus so the Rams aren't faced with an immediate outlay and an 11 sack guy for a bust in my system seems advantage Rams. Maybe Atowgue and Carricker /Long for Carter + 5th? Complex since have to wait for bonus to fall due and need to neggotiate with Atogue, but...

[Hr fan]

why would any swap for a 31 year old DE? especially when teams know he doesnt fit our new scheme?

Both are unneeded in the schemes being run by their current teams, and Carter's sack total of 11 last year was something like 7th best in the NFL.

[dj_stouty]

Both are unneeded in the schemes being run by their current teams, and Carter's sack total of 11 last year was something like 7th best in the NFL.

I agree. Carter would fit in nicely with Spag's 4-3 defense.

[Skins7ny]

Long played 3-4 DE his entire college career under Groh. 3-4 is a pretty rare formation for college and he has a ton of experience it in. Right now, Spags is misusing him.

He is 6'3" and 276 pounds...which really is pretty comparable to the Luis Castillos and Darnell Docketts of the NFL.
You may be right, but 276 still seems light to me for a 3-4 DE. Dockett is listed at 285, but I believe that he plays heavier than his listed weight. Castillo is listed at 290. Maybe the Rams are misusing Long, but there were questions about him coming out of college as to where he would fit in the pros, and whether he had enough speed off the edge to be an elite pass rusher. You draft a DE or a 3-4 OLB 2nd in the entire drart, you are expecting a perennial 10-sack guy. Even coming out of college, there were doubts that Long could be that guy. He was drafted #2 because some in the Rams FO were not sold on Glenn Dorsey at DT, and because Long's pedigree, smarts and non-stop motor made him the safer pick.
So, why don't you just respond to the post you disagree with instead of dragging in an irrelevant post just for a fumbled attempt at a snark?
Because its you. I wouldn't have given anyone else (maybe BNG) a hard time about this. But since you like giving other people snark so much, I don't usually let opportunities pass by to give you little tastes of your own medicine. The fact that you don't like it (as demonstrated by your post) should give you an idea of how others on this board react to your snarky posts.

Carter has no role in our new defense. He's played in a 3-4 and was a disaster at OLB. Trading an older, yet productive in another system, player in the final year of his contract(we probably won't be picking up his option, so his deal would void after 2010) for a young, cheaper player who would fit in our system and fill a major need sounds like the kind of deal you've been "advocating" for here for years.

I don't think Carriker is anything special, but he would represent a better fit for the system and the skins can pawn off a larger contract on another team. And if Carriker just sucks donkey balls, we're exactly where we would be in a year if we didn't make the deal: without Carriker or Carter lol. You seem to think that just because Carter has no role in a 3-4, we should just give him away. Wrong. He has trade value. With Peppers now signed, there are very few pass-rushers available. As I alluded to in my post, and LoriMike spelled out in his, Carter keeps himself in excellent shape, is a good locker room guy who gives great effort, and should be able to play at a high level for another 5 years. Pass-rushers in their 30s can usually extend their careers and bring value as a nickel rusher.

A team that is a pass-rusher away from contending or advancing further in the playoffs would be wise to consider trading a late 2 for Carter, or maybe a 3 and a 6. I would rather have either of those than a mediocre DE reject from the Rams whose ability as a run stuffer is questionable and whose ability as a pass-rusher has been proven not to exist. Failing that, I would keep Carter and use him when we are in nickel packages and in a 4-3 alignment (if we plan to play any 4-3. Indications are even if we make the 3-4 our base defense, we will still play some 4-3.)

That is interesting seeing as how he played that (DE) all through college in UVA's 3-4 scheme and did well enough at it to warrant top 5 pick. St. Louis has been playing him out of position since he got there know one knows what he can do in the NFL.
You may be right. Still, the talent evaluators said that he would probably project to OLB in a 3-4 scheme in the pros. There is a difference b/w a 3-4 in college and one in the pros, and players don't always translate from one to another. Regardless, it does not appear that we have expressed any interest in Long. Given that his dad grew up a big Skins fan, I wonder if he did too?
the guy was also a first round pick a few years back was'nt he?i'd like to see the skins also go after chris long.i think carter is as good as gone! We have to stop assessing players based on their draft position. To me, that becomes irrelevant the day they put on pads in training camp. After that it is, can the guy play? If he can, it doesn't matter if he was drated in round 1 or round 7. Ditto if he can't.
We have to pay (in free agency, trades, drafting) for production, not names. Why worry about where he was drafted when he has 2 years of game film in the pros you can assess? That should tell you whether or not we should trade for him, not where he was drafted.

Carriker was put on IR during the preseason last year. That being said, they were actually worse the year before. However, his rookie year they were .8 ypc and 39.5/game better than his sophomore year. They were also better that year than 2009.
You are right. I should have referred to 2008, when they were still pretty bad vs. the run. You are right that one player does not shoulder the blame for an entire defense, but having your LDT be part of such a poor run-defense performance over 16 games is not exactly a positive indicator that we should trade for him. It is one thing to consider, although obviously the coaches watching his game film and assessing his individual performance would be the leading indicator of whether we should trade for him. Haslett knows him well, so we can assume he likes what he sees. However, we also know that coaches get enamored of players they have coached at other stops, and it doesn't always work out well for the new team.

[akhhorus]

Because its you. I wouldn't have given anyone else (maybe BNG) a hard time about this. But since you like giving other people snark so much, I don't usually let opportunities pass by to give you little tastes of your own medicine. The fact that you don't like it (as demonstrated by your post) should give you an idea of how others on this board react to your snarky posts.


Yeah, I don't purposefully take someone's post totally out of context just to snark, so congratulations: you've hit a new low in an attempt to try and show me up only to make yourself look foolish doing so. Brava Skins7ny, brava. All I did was ask why you were misquoting me to criticize me for what I said about a potential carter/carriker deal, so if you were trying to give me "a taste of my own medicine" all you've done is show that youre getting increasingly desperate to try and make me the issue instead of discussing the substance because I really wasn't upset about what you posted, just curious about why you would purposefully misquote me for no apparent reason. But I give you credit, you've moved from paranoia about that I'm tracking your every post to ham handed attempts to show me up lol.

You seem to think that just because Carter has no role in a 3-4, we should just give him away. Wrong. He has trade value. With Peppers now signed, there are very few pass-rushers available. As I alluded to in my post, and LoriMike spelled out in his, Carter keeps himself in excellent shape, is a good locker room guy who gives great effort, and should be able to play at a high level for another 5 years. Pass-rushers in their 30s can usually extend their careers and bring value as a nickel rusher.

Except that Carter has an option bonus due on monday where we have to extend his deal, or void the final few years. That sort of kills his trade value. FWIW, the skins are offering Anthony Montgomery for Carriker according to JLC.

[DaveKShape]

I actually think the SKINS want to take a DT from them, so they will take Suh, cause Shanny wants Bradford. This seems clear as day. But, if we give Carter for a guy who was injured all last year, will we get a pick back in return. After all Carter had 11 sacks last year, and Carriker has had a total of 2 his whole career. I hope this is a move to gain picks and make the Rams want Suh.

i figure, even if we have to give up carter to get carriker, and in turn get bradford - i'm willing to just part with carter straight up. he's a great player for his age, but doesn't fit for what we're trying to do this year. unfortunately, there's no guarantee they won't take bradford anyway

also, as an aside, i just wanted to say that all this arguing is making it really hard to read the board as of late. i can't even talk about wonderlic scores in the draft forum because of some unfettered ego-butting.

[Arkangiest]

Carter, Montgomery, Campbell and our #4 pick for Carriker, Long, and the Ram's #1 pick... Doooooo it.

[Keino]

Ask Chris Turner if Chris Long was stout enough to play DE in a 3-4

So we should ask a college QB from a lower tiered DIA program if Long is a quality 3-4 DE? How would his comments be at all relevant to the pro game one way or the other?

[Arkangiest]

So we should ask a college QB from a lower tiered DIA program if Long is a quality 3-4 DE? How would his comments be at all relevant to the pro game one way or the other?

Because he has a ridiculous curly fro, that's why. We should draft this guy in the 7th if only for that reason.

[Moe]

FWIW, the skins are offering Anthony Montgomery for Carriker according to JLC.

Interesting. I supposed the arrival of Kemo is coverage against Montgomery leaving so this makes some sense. Comparing the two (Carriker, Montgomery) I'd say that the former has less talent but better effort (and can play DE or DT), whereas the latter has a higher ceiling but seems rather uninterested in reaching it. I'd be happy with this trade, quite happy, even though I'm disappointed that Montgomery never sustained his play from '07 where he looked like the real deal.

[SellerDoor45]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet because I didn't read through every entry, but......

Since Carter has a no trade clause, he has to agree to the trade. Do you guys think he wants to go to the worst team in the league at 31 years old??

[joethefan]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet because I didn't read through every entry, but......

Since Carter has a no trade clause, he has to agree to the trade. Do you guys think he wants to go to the worst team in the league at 31 years old??

good question but the next question they will ask him is "would you like to agree with the trade or be cut? then they'll ask are there many teams out there willing to trade for you?

[fent]

good question but the next question they will ask him is "would you like to agree with the trade or be cut? then they'll ask are there many teams out there willing to trade for you?

I'd want to be cut in that situation. Then you get to choose where you go, and you have to believe there are at least a couple teams that would be interested. The saints come to mind off the top of my head as they're linked to Ray Edwards already. If Edwards leaves Minny, that would open a spot there. Those are 2 legit contenders that would provide an actual shot at a ring.

[akhhorus]

I'd want to be cut in that situation. Then you get to choose where you go, and you have to believe there are at least a couple teams that would be interested. The saints come to mind off the top of my head as they're linked to Ray Edwards already. If Edwards leaves Minny, that would open a spot there. Those are 2 legit contenders that would provide an actual shot at a ring.

How about the Raiders for the rights to Richard Seymour?

[fent]

How about the Raiders for the rights to Richard Seymour?

I'd be even less inclined to take that deal if I was Carter. That being said, it'd be hilarious if that happened as it would essentially come down to Carter for a high first rounder.

[akhhorus]

I'd be even less inclined to take that deal if I was Carter. That being said, it'd be hilarious if that happened as it would essentially come down to Carter for a high first rounder.

I think he'll approve a deal to Upper Uzbekistan if it meant playing in a 4-3 and getting a new contract.

[skinsfan36]

carriker imo is best fit as a 5 teq DE in the 3-4. trading for him would be a good idea if it was montgomery or carter

[Hr fan]

I think he'll approve a deal to Upper Uzbekistan if it meant playing in a 4-3 and getting a new contract.

+1. It's a business, and it isn't often a 31 yr old can negotiate from a position of strength.