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CarMike

03-23-2010, 11:30 AM

Since this is after the 2009-2010 season for UVA, I decided to start a new thread for next years basketball news.

Please keep using the 2009-2010 thread for MM and NIT coverage.

More on Tristan Spurlock's departure from Virginia basketball (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cavaliers-journal/2010/03/more_on_tristan_spurlocks_depa.html)

Virginia forward Tristan Spurlock met with Coach Tony Bennett on Sunday night in what Spurlock said was the final individual meeting the coach conducted with players. At the meeting, Spurlock said that he and Bennett spoke about Bennett's vision of Spurlock and the future and they mutually agreed he should leave the Cavaliers' program.

"I didn't like his vision for me," Spurlock said, "and we came to the agreement that what's best for me might not be staying at the University of Virginia."

When asked specifically what vision he did not like, Spurlock said Bennett wanted him to become a "4" -- a power forward. Spurlock believes he's a wing.

Spurlock insisted that no decision was made during the season. He said he "did not put anything out there" when asked if he and his family looked into other opportunities during the season. Spurlock said he thought about returning to Virginia throughout the year, and never entered a game expecting that game's playing time to determine his future.

"A lot of people speculated, a lot of people thought I was transferring," Spurlock said. "Jontel is my best friend on the team, and we talked all the time about next year and how things are going to be different. So I never, ever speculated or wanted to speculate."

Spurlock said he has no ill will toward Bennett, and still believes Bennett is a "good man." The same respect he had for Bennett when the coach visited Spurlock's family last spring upon accepting the job remains. The issue was entirely a basketball decision.

"Things do change when you get to the school," Spurlock said, "and I don't think I fully understood what kind of coach he was and his philosophies and his schemes and how I fit into those schemes."

Spurlock spoke with other players on the team at study hall on Monday. He received a call from Sylven Landesberg in the afternoon.

He does not have any potential schools, emphasizing the decision to leave came last night. He plans to visit other schools.

"After the meeting, that's when I really knew," Spurlock said, "this is not the right place for me."

dj_stouty

03-23-2010, 11:57 AM

CarMike

03-23-2010, 12:12 PM

Adios, Spurlock. He was a Leito recruit and it seems as if he and Bennett simply couldn't co-exist. Not to mention, Spurlock refused to play defense...which is a key part of the Bennett system. I'm willing to give Bennett the benefit of the doubt and give him some time to build up this program to its best potential.

I'm also resolved to the fact that the top tier sports at UVA will never quite get the full support from the Unversity. That being said...building a basketball team that makes the Sweet 16 someday or a football team gets a berth into the Gator Bowl is about the cap for this school - at least when it comes to the big two sports. They are able to dominate other sports (currently #1 in nation in Baseball, previously #2 in LAX, previously #1 in soccer) but not the big ones.
Nah, It can be done with the right people. UVA was a power in basketball back int he '80s. It's a long time ago, but It can happen again.

And from what I've read, Bennett could be saying adios to a few more players on UVA this year. He's a good young coach. If he's given the time, it should work out well for UVA and their fans.

CNYSkinFan

03-23-2010, 12:22 PM

uh some of us are still playing thank you

CarMike

03-23-2010, 01:13 PM

uh some of us are still playing thank you

bout time Cuse made some noise.

CarMike

03-26-2010, 06:31 AM

uh some of us are still playing thank you

LOL

;)

dj_stouty

03-26-2010, 07:31 AM

uh some of us are still playing thank you

I'd like to officially welcome you to the '10-'11 thread, Dustin....

CNYSkinFan

03-26-2010, 07:41 AM

I would like to take this time to say $&()&$() U sYRACUSE

smoot

04-06-2010, 04:15 PM

Started looking at the rosters for next year and Duke has the potential to be :eek: level good, especially if Singler comes back. They've got to be the consensus preseason #1 and Smith is my pick for NPOY.

RedskinsDave

04-06-2010, 10:36 PM

Connecticut women win the title. The best part about that is no more shockingly bad women's basketball interfering with real sports on Sportscenter.

HAWGZHEAD

04-07-2010, 04:32 PM

Connecticut women win the title. The best part about that is no more shockingly bad women's basketball interfering with real sports on Sportscenter.

The halftime score was 20-12

CarMike

04-08-2010, 09:25 AM

RedskinsDave

04-08-2010, 09:30 AM

The halftime score was 20-12

And it wasn't because of good D. It was simply bad basketball.

smoot

04-08-2010, 11:12 AM

The Skinsinator

04-08-2010, 11:16 AM

BC's has already been filled by Steve Donahue (Cornell)The other two won't take too long at all. Those are pretty good jobs really.

CarMike

04-08-2010, 11:40 AM

BC's has already been filled by Steve Donahue (Cornell)

Thanks smoot. Honestly, since I've been running in the late evenings I didn't know BC/Wake/Clemson had lost their coaches till this morning. lol

With Carolina having the season they had, I didn't dare to go to IC basketball boards. If people think hR is bad after a loss, you should see the chit that goes on that board.

nicefellow31

04-08-2010, 12:50 PM

3 head coaching vacancies in the ACC.

Boston College - Al Skinner was fired

Wake Forest - Dino Gaudio was fired

Clemson - Oliver Purnell took the money and ran to Depaul.

Wake fans seem to think that they'll land Brad Stevens. lol

Not sure who the others will try to hire.

Bad move by Purnell. The Clemson crowd is very patient (with basketball, football is another story.) DePaul has horrible facilities, has no fan support, and play in a loaded Big East. While the $ will be nice, I don't think he will accomplish anything there.

CarMike

04-08-2010, 01:02 PM

Bad move by Purnell. The Clemson crowd is very patient (with basketball, football is another story.) DePaul has horrible facilities, has no fan support, and play in a loaded Big East. While the $ will be nice, I don't think he will accomplish anything there.

I think he thought he had reached the pinnacle at Clemson as well. At DePaul, at least he'll be getting paid much better. Plus, he's not a bad recruiter. And being just outside of Chicago could be a good for him.

smoot

04-08-2010, 01:03 PM

Thanks smoot. Honestly, since I've been running in the late evenings I didn't know BC/Wake/Clemson had lost their coaches till this morning. lol

With Carolina having the season they had, I didn't dare to go to IC basketball boards. If people think hR is bad after a loss, you should see the chit that goes on that board.
Lol, one of my friends lets me use his premium account on IC. I love using it for some "light reading"

Oh, and apparently Brad Stevens is interviewing with Wake sometime this week

CarMike

04-08-2010, 01:10 PM

Lol, one of my friends lets me use his premium account on IC. I love using it for some "light reading"

Oh, and apparently Brad Stevens is interviewing with Wake sometime this week

He's an idiot if he takes the Wake job. He could land a much better job next year. Plus, he apparently has most of his team back from this year.

For my light reading, I tend to favor Pack Pride after they lose. lol Or Crack Ride as us Tar Heel fans like to call it. :)

smoot

04-08-2010, 04:50 PM

Lol, one of my friends lets me use his premium account on IC. I love using it for some "light reading"

Oh, and apparently Brad Stevens is interviewing with Wake sometime this week
So about that....

Brad Stevens just inked a 12 year extension with Butler

CarMike

04-08-2010, 05:22 PM

So about that....

Brad Stevens just inked a 12 year extension with Butler

Smart move from Butler/Stevens

CarMike

04-12-2010, 03:32 PM

LD II is coming back. Ed Davis is headed to the NBA draft, with broken wrist and all.

smoot

04-12-2010, 03:49 PM

LD II is coming back. Ed Davis is headed to the NBA draft, with broken wrist and all.
Please dont take Quinn Cook from me now that Lolrry Drew is coming back

SkinsKY

04-12-2010, 03:54 PM

Mike, where's Davis projected?

It's looking like we're only going to have four returning players next year. Five (Wall, Boogie, Bledsoe, Pat, and Orton) heading to the draft. We lose three seniors and Dodson, who transferred in last fall, transferring out.

This week is going to be huge if we want to keep moving in the right direction.
Brandon Knight, Doron Lamb, Terrence Jones (and Ross), CJ Leslie, Josh Selby, and Marquis Teague all decide in the next week or so. Mike Rosario from Rutgers is a possible transfer and Marcus Thornton was just let out of his LOI by Clemson and we're rumored to be interested.

It's going to take a good haul out of these kids to keep us in the top 25. With all the rumoured transfers a year ago with Billy, it's at least refreshing to think we're this empty because we got so many to the League.

CarMike

04-12-2010, 05:20 PM

Please dont take Quinn Cook from me now that Lolrry Drew is coming back
No promises. :) I haven't heard his name mentioned lately...
Mike, where's Davis projected?

It's looking like we're only going to have four returning players next year. Five (Wall, Boogie, Bledsoe, Pat, and Orton) heading to the draft. We lose three seniors and Dodson, who transferred in last fall, transferring out.

This week is going to be huge if we want to keep moving in the right direction.
Brandon Knight, Doron Lamb, Terrence Jones (and Ross), CJ Leslie, Josh Selby, and Marquis Teague all decide in the next week or so. Mike Rosario from Rutgers is a possible transfer and Marcus Thornton was just let out of his LOI by Clemson and we're rumored to be interested.

It's going to take a good haul out of these kids to keep us in the top 25. With all the rumoured transfers a year ago with Billy, it's at least refreshing to think we're this empty because we got so many to the League.
I haven't been able to find any info B. Most of the mock drafts I've seen up to yesterday didn't include him. I'm guessing off of potential, maybe a late lottery pick? If not, early 20's?

CarMike

04-13-2010, 08:42 AM

Clemson hires their coach:

Source: Clemson to hire Wright State's Brownell

Wright State's Brad Brownell has agreed in principle to be Clemson's next basketball coach, a source told CBSSports.com on Tuesday morning.

An official announcement is expected later Tuesday.

Brownell first spoke with Clemson officials last week and then again Monday after Mississippi State's Rick Stansbury rejected an offer from the ACC school. Brownell has since received an offer and accepted, meaning he'll replace Oliver Purnell, who signed a seven-year deal worth more than $15 million with DePaul last week.

Clemson finished 22-11 this season.

The Tigers lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

Brownell has won at least 20 games four consecutive seasons at Wright State.

The Indiana native was a finalist for the Indiana job that Tom Crean accepted two years ago.

Wake Forest fans are pissed. lol They never interviewed this guy and seem set on hiring Jeff Bzdelik, a 57 year old coach for Colorado.

http://www.timescall.com/sports_story.asp?id=21666

BOULDER — Colorado men’s basketball coach coach Jeff Bzdelik flew to North Carolina on Monday to be formally interviewed for head coaching job at Wake Forest.

CU athletic director Mike Bohn returned Sunday night from Georgia, where he attended the Masters, and spoke with the coach.

“I just reminded him again of how much we respect him and appreciate him before he went to Wake Forest, and I wanted him to know that our fan base and our administration and alumni and people close to the program appreciate him and want him to know that we’d like him to remain as our coach,” Bohn said.

If something falls through and Bzdelik stays at CU, the program will have a head coach who has flirted with other jobs each of the past three offseasons. That could be awkward on many fronts, including recruiting. The spring signing period starts Wednesday, and according to Rivals.com, CU has no commitments but two official visits planned for this weekend.

Bzdelik is 36-58 in three seasons at CU, and Dino Gaudio, the coach Wake Forest recently fired after three seasons, went 61-31. Bzdelik has built a good foundation at CU with players like Alec Burks, the Big 12’s 2009-10 freshman of the year. According to reports from North Carolina, there are many Wake Forest fans who aren’t excited about the possibility of landing Bzdelik.

The Winston Salem-Journal reported Monday that Wake Forest is considering no other candidates, and the program is expected to announce Bzdelik’s hiring on Wednesday.

smoot

04-13-2010, 09:04 AM

ACC coaching just got a whole lot worse... and I really didn't think it had anywhere to go but up

CarMike

04-13-2010, 09:28 AM

ACC coaching just got a whole lot worse... and I really didn't think it had anywhere to go but up

I agree with Wakes soon hire. But not with Clemson. I guess it'll be one of those wait and see things.

However, living just outside of Winston Salem, I'm loving the hysteria coming from Wake fans.

smoot

04-19-2010, 08:08 PM

Singler is coming back... God help us all, because I dont see anybody stopping Duke from repeating next year.

CarMike

05-06-2010, 06:55 AM

Semi-Breaking News:

http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/968229.html

The father of North Carolina freshmen David and Travis Wear informed Roy Williams Wednesday evening that his sons have decided to transfer, according to a report by the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

Dave Wear said he discussed the decision with Tar Heels' coach Roy Williams earlier in the evening by telephone and that he hoped that his sons would be released from their scholarship agreements with the school ``as early as Thursday".

Wear wouldn't offer any details as to why the players (who took their last spring semester finals today) were making the move other than to say ``they decided they didn't want to return to North Carolina.

I really couldn't care less that they're leaving. I wish Roy would stop recruiting guys from Cali. Seems they get homesick or just don't care much for the East Coast. This will make 3 guys in the last 4 years to transfer.

I will add though that the timing is horrible. This will open up two 'ships for next year and it will be tough to find replacements this late in the game.

SkinsKY

05-06-2010, 04:28 PM

Semi-Breaking News:

http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/968229.html

I really couldn't care less that they're leaving. I wish Roy would stop recruiting guys from Cali. Seems they get homesick or just don't care much for the East Coast. This will make 3 guys in the last 4 years to transfer.

I will add though that the timing is horrible. This will open up two 'ships for next year and it will be tough to find replacements this late in the game.

Saw that this morning. Surprised me too with the timing of everything.

NCskinsfanatic

05-06-2010, 10:28 PM

smoot

05-07-2010, 02:33 AM

I liked this news myself lol...

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/04/28/458164/cj-leslie-picks-nc-state.html

and even moreso this news...

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/05/06/469458/pack-ad-job-has-good-bad-points.html
That was the single best day in NC Athletics since Jimmy V won his title

CarMike

05-07-2010, 01:08 PM

I liked this news myself lol...

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/04/28/458164/cj-leslie-picks-nc-state.html

and even moreso this news...

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/05/06/469458/pack-ad-job-has-good-bad-points.html
Without opening either link...ughh MooU. :) Let me guess.

Leslie to NCeST.

&

Fowler out as AD.

Correct? lol

NCskinsfanatic

05-07-2010, 02:22 PM

That was the single best day in NC Athletics since Jimmy V won his title

I concur smoot... funny that we were just talking about( a month or so ago) that's what it would take for NCSU to take steps towards being relevant again.

Without opening either link...ughh MooU. :) Let me guess.

Leslie to NCeST.

&

Fowler out as AD.

Correct? lol

Correct my friend; give that man a baby blue prize lol!

CarMike

05-07-2010, 02:44 PM

Only question now is what will be States excuses now that Fowler is gone?

smoot

05-07-2010, 03:57 PM

Only question now is what will be States excuses now that Fowler is gone?
Lowe, lol

SkinsKY

05-07-2010, 05:15 PM

A year later...Just to see where we all went right, or wrong.

Sorry B, but Stephenson reminds me a lot of Wall. Do you still think the same?

Calling Cal a cheater doesn't mean Memphis is. Cal was employed by the school but did his own thing. KY fans will learn that soon about him. They better keep a close eye on Cal, WWW, and Rod Strickland.
WWW has officially become an agent, so that's almost a non-issue. Good call on Strickland. Got hit with another DUI, and after dealing with Billy, I was surprised we kept him. I wouldn't have. DUI's are inexcusable.

Former UK player Pilgrim to visit Memphis (http://gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/15772587)Turned out well for Memphis. Pilgrim's now being investigated for rape. I'm glad we got rid of him too.

You want proof that he's around the program, John Wall and Demarcus Cousins committed to KY. WWW locked up Cousins months ago. It was common knowledge here that he committed to Memphis because he was a WWW guy. And John Wall was always going to play for Memphis then KY, once Cal left. The hold up was Wall's "mentor" wanting WWW to agree to leave Wall alone. Not because he thought WWW was a bad influence on Wall, but Wall’s going to be the #1 pick in the draft next year. That “mentor” is looking to represent Wall in the pros so WWW had to promise not to lead Wall into Leon Rose’s direction.

3. John Wall reportedly already has an agent(his "handler"), considering Calipari's history(and knowing this memphis investigation was coming out eventually), he should have ended any recruiting of him when that came out. But he didn't.

For all the dogging I got last summer, none of it has seemed to stick so far. Wall and Cousins and all our entries both signed with agents entirely unrelated to WWW, or the Cliftons, or Lebron, or anybody who thought they had the situation pegged said they would sign with.

For the record, if Cal is linked to this (the academic fraud from the Rose from last year's thread) through some evidence, I would be all in favor of an immediate dismissal. I don't know if UK has legal grounds to do that, but academic fraud is awful (I hate it more than any agent/handler/third party issue out there). It would kill our program for another five years minimum but I hate schools that cheat in the classroom and our basketball kids have been exemplary for a while (something Tubby definitely excelled at while he was here).

This still stands on my end too. Our basketball grades came back, and they were terrible. I was not happy to see us laud Wall's 3.5 GPA and then turn in crap in the classroom from almost the whole remainder of the team. Cal said it was a blip and wouldn't be an issue in the future (his graduation rates were decent at the other schools if I remember right), but I'll be pissed if it is. Our BBall grades used to be stellar.

NCskinsfanatic

05-07-2010, 11:44 PM

Only question now is what will be States excuses now that Fowler is gone?

I dunno maybe we can borrow some from Roy lol... you know we were young, we need to shoot better, we have to play better D, etc. :)

CarMike

05-14-2010, 08:26 AM

I dunno maybe we can borrow some from Roy lol... you know we were young, we need to shoot better, we have to play better D, etc. :)

With 5 national 'ships and 2 coming within the last 5 years. It's been nothing but excuses for the woofies since 1983.

smoot

05-28-2010, 09:43 PM

Calipari's tower of cards just got a little less sturdy (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/sports/ncaabasketball/29recruit.html?hp)

SkinsKY

05-29-2010, 06:25 AM

Calipari's tower of cards just got a little less sturdy (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/sports/ncaabasketball/29recruit.html?hp)

All the events that took place, took place while Gillispie was coach, but it's probably still Cal's fault.

smoot

05-29-2010, 07:24 AM

Gillespie isn't the one who gave him a scholarship and got him into UK

CarMike

05-29-2010, 11:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V55PVV6Lo_Y&feature=related

Good lord. This kid qualified for College???

SkinsKY

05-29-2010, 12:04 PM

Gillespie isn't the one who gave him a scholarship and got him into UK

True, and we might pay the price for it, but what exactly are you accusing Cal of? Paying bledsoe's rent? Doctoring grades?

SkinsKY

05-29-2010, 12:18 PM

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Good lord. This kid qualified for College???

I know, right? There's no way a kid who speaks poorly could make it into college.

CarMike

05-29-2010, 02:05 PM

I know, right? There's no way a kid who speaks poorly could make it into college.

Come on B. Even you have to admit it.

SkinsKY

05-29-2010, 03:00 PM

Come on B. Even you have to admit it.

Admit what? Kids who speak poorly aren't smart enough for college? I went to school with plenty who were. I know plenty who speak well and are morons. Bledsoe is a terrible speaker (the video is hideous), but he would have been academically eligible to return to UK if he didn't stay in the draft. You're discriminating solely based on his speech.

UK released a statement that the NCAA conducted an "extensive prospective review" last summer, but still cleared him after the flags went up. Also, they reported there is no pending inquiry (I assume they would know better than a NYT reporter).

Alabama High School staff from Eric's school said they were asked for transcripts last summer, but have not heard from the NCAA since.

ESPN reported (Andy Katz) that Bledsoe took summer school and night classes to get his GPA up high enough to qualify.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5231161

Kentucky has not been contacted by the NCAA about the Bledsoe investigation, a source from the school told ESPN.com's Andy Katz. The source also said Bledsoe would have been academically eligible at Kentucky had he returned for his sophomore season.

The source added that Kentucky had no knowledge of any illicit benefits given to Bledsoe prior to his enrolling.

Kentucky released a statement on Saturday: "Often high profile student-athletes are selected for an extensive prospective student-athlete (PSA) review. Eric Bledsoe participated in the normal academic review process and also an extensive PSA review by the NCAA Eligibility Center and was cleared academically."

Local media (who are not real kind on hiding bad news about the program) are reporting that everything is in the clear.

I'm looking for links, but I'm at work without much time at the comp. No one's going to believe it, but I also knew that from the start.

One question to me is why are kids' transcripts being distributed through the media? I worked at a college and dealt with transcripts and we had strict guidelines on how we would take them or send them out. It's certainly not a media request. But, no one cares about that.

SkinsKY

07-02-2010, 03:54 PM

Now, there's actually an interesting story, and I thought it'd be posted here by the time I got home. I guess I'll toss it out there.

According to a source who was interviewed by an NCAA investigator, the agency is interested in at least four players -- two current and two who were just drafted by NBA teams.

In the case of one former Wildcat, we're told the NCAA wants to know about his relationship with his current agent. We're told the investigator asked about multiple meetings the agent allegedly had with the player ... dating back to the player's senior year in high school.

The insinuation is the agent had an arrangement with the player before he went to Kentucky.

It is a violation of NCAA rules for a student athlete to receive anything of value from an agent -- or
to have any agreements, verbally or in writing, with an agent. Just ask USC, Reggie Bush or OJ Mayo.

The NCAA and Kentucky have not returned our calls yet.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/02/university-of-kentucky-basketball-sec-ncaa-probe/#ixzz0sYmfrEQr
TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/02/university-of-kentucky-basketball-sec-ncaa-probe/)

A source close to Kentucky's basketball program told Sporting News that the Wildcats have not been informed by the NCAA of an investigation into their basketball program, in regards to a report Friday by TMZ.

Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2010-07-02/kentucky-hasnt-been-informed-basketball-investigation#ixzz0sYnU07ei

Now this one could be interesting depending on the names coming out. It's not officially under investigation, and TMZ must not have a great source if they didn't drop any names. That said, this one definitely bears watching. Certainly a bigger deal than the NYT piece on Bledsoe.

SkinsKY

08-04-2010, 09:10 PM

And this is what drives me nuts about the media and how they cover things.

Earlier today The Chicago Sun-times posted this article about a recruit UK is interested in:
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/anthony-davis-uk-200k.png

In it, they cite rumors that Davis received $200,000 to pick Kentucky. It's a screen shot because a couple hours later, they pulled that section out of the story (Link (http://yourseason.suntimes.com/boys_basketball/2566462,080410-anthony-davis-kentucky.article)).

Not only did they offer no proof other than "rumor" or an anonymous source. They quoted two hundred thousand freaking dollars as the price. It's one thing to make up a story and not have proof. I would have believed $2000, $5000, even $10,000 to make it even partly believable, but almost a quarter of a million dollars for a one year rental? And this is a "credible" newspaper. If you have something as serious as what would likely be one of (if not the) biggest payoffs in the history of college sports, you shouldn't bury it in an article with "rumors" as your source. What's worse is that they pulled out the part about UK but left the rumor that Davis is on the take. It's not okay to impune a school/coach, but let's still give negative press to a kid when we have no proof? Reckless.

I understand people don't like Cal, but that's ridiculous, and terrible journalism to boot.

SkinsKY

08-04-2010, 10:02 PM

And then UK calls out the law dogs:

Notice from UK's lawyers (http://www.ukathletics.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/kty/genrel/auto_pdf/legal10_0804_response).

CarMike

08-05-2010, 06:59 AM

$200,000 dollars to spend one year at Kentucky? I'm not buying that B.

smoot

08-05-2010, 10:32 AM

It's a different sport, but we've seen firsthand similar amounts being given to football players of much lesser quality in Elijah Fields (http://mondesishouse.blogspot.com/2010/02/famous-elijah-fields-twitter-pictures.html) and the Clemson player who's name escapes me at the moment.

(not buying the story till there's something more substantial btw)

smoot

08-05-2010, 10:42 AM

On another note, Memphis' most prized recruit has officially been denied entrance to school thanks to a questionable academic history. Look for him to play overseas for a year ala Brandon Jennings

CarMike

08-05-2010, 02:26 PM

L.J. Rose, a highly regarded 2012 lead guard, confirmed with me at the AAU Nationals that he will be attending North Carolina's 'Late Night' festivities.

Shabazz Muhammad [#1 SG in 2012 class] will be there as well.

http://hsnevada.scout.com/a.z?s=161&p=8&c=1&nid=4020486

SkinsKY

08-05-2010, 06:20 PM

Shabazz Muhammad [#1 SG in 2012 class] will be there as well.

http://hsnevada.scout.com/a.z?s=161&p=8&c=1&nid=4020486

I think we just offered Rose as well. Not sure where we stand with him.

Josh Selby, who we backed off of shortly before he committed to Kansas is being investigated for agent involvement. His advisor is Carmelo's agent.

Also, Karen Sypher was found guilty of extortion, lying to the FBI, against Rick Pitino. If you haven't seen much of it (and ESPN has barely covered it), check out this link (http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=57237) for a summary of the absurdity. (warning: it has a lot of details about the various encounters.)

SkinsKY

08-06-2010, 08:38 AM

Well, after pulling down all the bits about Anthony Davis taking money, the Sun-Times is making another charge at the hill claiming that three schools have said Davis' father asked for money to get the kid.
When the original story detailing the discussions and the $200,000 agreement was posted online Wednesday, the university posted a letter on its own website from its law firm asking the Sun-Times to withdraw publication of the story.

''Please be advised that the article is false and defamatory and could lead to legal action,'' stated the letter, which was signed by attorney Stephen L. Barker.

Sources from three separate universities told the Sun-Times that Davis Sr. asked for money in return for his son's commitment, with the amounts ranging from $125,000 to $150,000.

When reached Thursday, Davis Sr. declined to respond further, saying: ''Thanks for ruining my son. Thank you very much.''

Georgette L. Greenlee, an attorney representing Davis Sr. and his wife, Erainer Eberhardt-Davis, also denied the original Sun-Times story.
Link (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/preps/2571594,CST-SPT-cruit06.article)

So, it seems like the CST is going to ride this one out and go toe to toe with us on this one. Also, for the record, Davis hasn't even publicly committed to us yet. I'd think they'd at least wait for that. Oh well, I guess we'll see how this one pans out.

CarMike

08-06-2010, 08:46 AM

SkinsKY

08-06-2010, 05:55 PM

UNC tried to get in on his recruitment late in the game. Not long afterwards, UNC backed off and Davis' camp said we wouldn't be int he mix.

Can't these people wait a year or two to get paid? :whoknows:

Seems that they don't want to wait. Even if everything is legit, it might be wise just to pass on him (it's not like he makes or breaks our class next year). He's good, but it's going to be nothing but hassle for a kid who will be in Lexington for 9mos.

It's just weird that if the paper had credible sources they wouldn't say it was 200k and UK paid it, and then change it to 125-150k and that the Davis's asked for it. Those are two big distinctions, but the fact that their story changed makes me wonder about how good their info is. I think both Kornheiser and Wilbon blasted the author for the story. Tony says there's "not iota of evidence."

I didn't know the national media ever took our side! :)

SkinsKY

08-24-2010, 07:30 AM

Looks like someone else is trying to make a name for himself, but this time decided to cast a wider net including UNC.

Link (http://kentsterling.com/2010/08/23/josh-selby-and-four-major-programs-being-investigated-by-ncaa/)

We know that the NCAA is taking a long look into the recruiting of rivals.com #1 recruit Josh Selby, and his relationship with Carmelo Anthony’s business manager Robert Frazier.

What is new is that investigation stretches beyond Bill Self, Selby, KU and Frazier. It includes the basketball programs at Kentucky and Tennessee, and their relationships during the recruiting process with Frazier and Selby. This is according to a person close to the investigation.

What's funny is that UNC was listed but later removed. I don't think you guys even recruited Selby, and the comments section is littered with people who called him out for it and then called him out because he removed the references later.

Kind of funny. Throwing crap on walls.

smoot

08-24-2010, 08:44 AM

Will Barton has officially won his appeal and will be elligable to play at Memphis this season.

....and I have no clue how

SkinsKY

08-24-2010, 09:14 AM

Will Barton has officially won his appeal and will be elligable to play at Memphis this season.

....and I have no clue how
I thought grades were a pretty cut and dry thing. How does that change in an appeal?

smoot

08-24-2010, 09:30 AM

I thought grades were a pretty cut and dry thing. How does that change in an appeal?
His whole transcript was a gigantic mess. Maybe he got part of it thrown out, I'm not sure. This is the first time I can recall somebody winning an appeal like this.

SkinsKY

08-24-2010, 10:29 AM

His whole transcript was a gigantic mess. Maybe he got part of it thrown out, I'm not sure. This is the first time I can recall somebody winning an appeal like this.

Hadn't seen it. If it's making the rounds, someone did something illegal, a la Eric Bledsoe's.

Still not sure why that type of thing doesn't get more play. Still, the Clearinghouse has been known to clear players for Memphis and then later declare them ineligible after the season, so I wouldn't say it's a done deal.

smoot

08-24-2010, 06:52 PM

Hadn't seen it. If it's making the rounds, someone did something illegal, a la Eric Bledsoe's.

Still not sure why that type of thing doesn't get more play. Still, the Clearinghouse has been known to clear players for Memphis and then later declare them ineligible after the season, so I wouldn't say it's a done deal.
Except in this case they already denied him before he won his appeal, I don't see them flipping back again.

SkinsKY

08-24-2010, 11:12 PM

Except in this case they already denied him before he won his appeal, I don't see them flipping back again.

True, but any time someone approves something, and then later says, "Just kidding! And by the way, You should have known better." has no credibility to me and could do anything, regardless of how likely.

SkinsKY

09-24-2010, 05:49 PM

Looks like the Bledsoe issue is about resolved. The report came out just a little bit ago.

In short, it says that a teacher did change his grades, but said it was make up work, and provided all the grade change forms. The Superintendent backed the teacher.

The independent investigators hired by Alabama schools didn't really believe the teacher, but couldn't find any evidence of wrongdoing, so the school system is taking no action.
Link to initial story. (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/09/bledsoe_report_teachers_claim.html)

Can't imagine the NCAA taking a third look into Bledsoe if the school says his grades are legit.

Now we just need to Free Enes for this year.

NCskinsfanatic

09-24-2010, 05:51 PM

Hey Smoot whats the word on campus regarding my WolfPack? Are we gonna actually have a team that can compete with the upper echelon of the ACC? And before you comment Mike, save it lol.

SkinsKY

10-21-2010, 06:59 AM

Looks like the NCAA might pull the plug on July Recruiting.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5709358)

The Conference Commissioners Association voted 31-0 at its fall meeting last month in Chicago to recommend eliminating July men's basketball recruiting beginning in 2012 to the NCAA Division I Board of Directors, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting told ESPN.com.

According to another source, the Division I board will meet Oct. 28 and has a number of options: accept the recommendation and implement it immediately or delay the implementation; introduce new legislation and send it through the normal governance structure; direct a study of options; or do not act on the recommendation.

NABC Letter
The e-mail sent out to the coaches detailed concerns about losing July recruiting. Here is the e-mail in its entirety.

• Blog: July should continue
According to the meeting's minutes, the recommendation said the new recruiting model would not include a summer recruiting period for July 2012, ESPN.com learned. All 31 Division I commissioners were in attendance and voted in favor of the proposal.

Coaches are allowed to evaluate recruits for two 10-day periods in July, traversing the country for events in Akron, Ohio; Cleveland; Cincinnati; Indianapolis; north of Dallas; Augusta, S.C.; Orlando, Fla.; Las Vegas; and Los Angeles, among many others. The NCAA's men's basketball focus group has been monitoring summer recruiting, looking for improvements as well as trying to eliminate violations during the period.

The article mentions that it would drive up costs for coaches and hinder some mid-majors from recruiting better, but I think taking it out is an overall net gain. Part of the reason AAU coaches/shady characters have such pull is because of this period and all the tourneys they play in. It's become a meat market and people will do a lot of things to stand out.

Plus, I think AAU is just bad for basketball at that level. There's just not much coaching and fundamentals and basketball IQ just seems to be lower when those kids get to college.

dj_stouty

10-21-2010, 08:23 AM

The 2010-11 ACC Preseason Media Poll came out yesterday...

Predicted Order of Finish
Duke (61)
Virginia Tech
North Carolina (1)
NC State
Florida State
Maryland
Clemson
Miami
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Virginia
Wake Forest

Preseason All-Conference Team
Kyle Singler, Duke
Malcolm Delaney, VT
Nolan Smith, Duke
Tracy Smith, NCSU
Chris Singleton, FSU

Preseason Player of the Year
Kyle Singler, Duke

Preseason Rookie of the Year
Harrison Barnes, UNC

Patrick

11-09-2010, 06:43 AM

College BB season opened last night - WOW can't believe it's already that time of year.
The young Terps looked ........ ummmmm young. 105 points their first outing but one very glaring problem .... no ture team leader yet. It's going to interesting to see how Gary molds this team.

SkinsKY

11-09-2010, 07:05 AM

It was only an exhibition, but Tennessee lost to DII University of Indianapolis. I doubt they stay in the top 25 for long.

CarMike

11-09-2010, 08:03 AM

It was only an exhibition, but Tennessee lost to DII University of Indianapolis. I doubt they stay in the top 25 for long.

Bruce Pearl should go ahead and quit. He has killed that program. It never was that great to begin with.

SkinsKY

11-10-2010, 05:29 AM

Bruce Pearl should go ahead and quit. He has killed that program. It never was that great to begin with.

It was never great, but he hit a peak right after the two florida titles where it looked like he might moved to the top of the SEC East. That said, I can't imagine he would make it past this year. I think it will be a trainwreck year for them, so I hope he stays at least until we can play them twice.

SkinsKY

11-11-2010, 05:18 PM

After being allowed to practice with the team all summer, Enes Kanter has been ruled ineligible to play for UK. The school is appealing. That changes the complexion of our season a ton. We have zero size now. I've seen the kid play in person, and he's amazing, but at least we have the decision before the season starts.

Edit: According to @APWillGraves, Kanter is allowed to practice until the appeal is done, which is weird because he hasn't been able to work with the team since midnight madness. Not sure why he's allowed now.

Patrick

11-18-2010, 01:06 PM

Interesting game tonight ....... MD vs Pitt.
Great measuring stick for the Terps because Pitt has an excellent team.

SkinsKY

11-20-2010, 04:03 AM

Close loss for UNC last night, but I'm sure you all will bounce back fine. Glad for Tubby though as I'm still a big fan of his.

We head out to Maui with a pretty tough run of games there that should hopefully tell us where we stand. If we get out of there with two losses or less, I'd be okay with that. It's just really hard to see where our team is currently.

SkinsKY

11-23-2010, 11:28 PM

dj_stouty

11-24-2010, 09:20 AM

Don't know if anyone caught the UK/Washington game tonight, but it was phenomenal. Played out like a NCAA Tourney game, both teams slugging it out, sometimes a track meet, sometimes a grinder. Chippy, physical, full of swagger. I liked what I saw from our young kids and Brandon Knight is amazing.

Final against UConn tomorrow should be a great one.

Speaking of Maui...I was impressed with UVA's win over Oklahoma.

Also - VCU is making waves in the NIT...by beating Wake Forest and getting a shot at Tennesee. A win over the Vols and they will get Villanova/UCLA in the finals and a lot of deserved national attention.

Keino

11-24-2010, 11:47 AM

Don't know if anyone caught the UK/Washington game tonight, but it was phenomenal. Played out like a NCAA Tourney game, both teams slugging it out, sometimes a track meet, sometimes a grinder. Chippy, physical, full of swagger. I liked what I saw from our young kids and Brandon Knight is amazing.

Final against UConn tomorrow should be a great one.

I turned it off, because it looked like a blow-out. I heard later that it ended up being a good game.

Was surprised that Uconn beat M State.

ihatedallas

11-25-2010, 09:34 PM

Speaking of Maui...I was impressed with UVA's win over Oklahoma.

Also - VCU is making waves in the NIT...by beating Wake Forest and getting a shot at Tennesee. A win over the Vols and they will get Villanova/UCLA in the finals and a lot of deserved national attention.

VCU's squad looks better this year than last. They lost, Sanders, which hurts, but they have a lot of talent and watching them play is fun because Shaka likes to press and run.

As a student of a mid major, I couldn't ask for more basketball wise.

SkinsKY

12-05-2010, 12:45 PM

24 hours later and no one wants to taunt me about losing to the Heels? Mike? anyone? Even a zing at Calipari?

I'll say this: as bad as we were in almost every phase of the game (thank you 3point shooting), the fact that we we had a chance to win is positive news. If we pick up stupid fouls, we'll struggle as we have zero depth right now. We need a big Enes, and Cam Newton's dad might have helped (although Cam probably doesn't know anything about it. I thought the refs were [i]terrible[/], but we did plenty of dumb stuff on our own as well. Our two best players had bad games, but I don't mind losing this early in the year, especially as this team needs all the lumps it can take before March.

Where did Harrison go in the second half? After 12 points in the first half, I barely saw him after the restart.

P.S. It's okay to gloat. You all played a great game. :)

Patrick

12-06-2010, 07:28 AM

SkinsKY

12-06-2010, 06:17 PM

There is really nothing to taunt you about .... it's not how you start out the season in college BB but how you end up. Now if you end up at the Big Dance and lose to a lesser team ....... be prepared ;)

Granted, but there used to be more chatter in this thread. I was just hoping to bring some of it back. Outside of dook, and maybe tOSU, this year is as wide open as I've seen, so it should be a great season to follow.

CarMike

12-06-2010, 07:24 PM

SkinsKY

12-06-2010, 09:20 PM

No taunting from me, B. You've been cool with me after your wildcats beat my heels. :)

It was a great game! Even if we had lost I would have said the same thing. Neither team shot the 3ball very well. Luckily for both teams it's early in the season so both should only get better.

A buddy of mine was sitting behind the Kentucky bench on Saturday and told a very interesting story about Cal and Terrence Jones. He said Cal was asking TJ to give him 5 minutes and play as a team. When ever TJ was heading the bench Cal would ask him over and over again. "When are you going to give me 5 minutes of team basketball"? "I'm still waiting on the 5 minutes". My friend said you could see the look on TJs face that he didn't want to get near Cal. lolThat's a great story. Cal's not afraid to lay into people, regardless of who they are. Darius Miller was his whipping boy last year. Enough that I think he got tongue lashed, just out of habit.

It was a good loss (if there is such a thing). I think a loss like this one would have gone a long way with last year's team. Assuming Enes is never suiting up (I'd put it at 75% that he doesn't), we're a sweet 16 team, maybe elite 8 depending on the matchups. The good news is, I doubt we'll see too many teams with two athletic bigs like you have.

flave1969

12-22-2010, 05:08 AM

I know this is a thread for the Men's game, but I do feel the UConn ladies deserve a mention for the 89 wins in a row.

Maya Moore has got game.

Patrick

01-06-2011, 07:52 AM

As much as I dislike Duke ........ I have the feeling that I'm going to have to kick it up a knotch this year ......:banghead:

SkinsKY

01-07-2011, 10:31 PM

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/underkanter1.jpg
RIP Underkanter

Screw the NCAA.

Patrick

01-12-2011, 12:17 PM

Just got my conformation this weekend - looks like I will be attending the NCAA regional 3/17 & 19 in Tampa. I know - it's not the final four but hey - never thought I'd ever attend any "Big Dance" game. Very excited!!!! :sun:

NCskinsfanatic

01-12-2011, 01:52 PM

Keino

01-14-2011, 09:46 AM

Patrick

01-14-2011, 01:24 PM

Pat, we should get together! I let you know as we get closer what our plans are. Going to be staying with my nephew & family.

CarMike

01-14-2011, 01:57 PM

NCskinsfanatic

01-14-2011, 04:30 PM

I support this. Please keep Sid around for years to come!

-1 ;)

cal_junior

01-19-2011, 12:44 PM

Maryland "might have the worse fans ever"

LINK (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hokies-journal/2011/01/delaney_on_maryland_they_might.html)

Keino

01-19-2011, 04:31 PM

Maryland "might have the worse fans ever"

LINK (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hokies-journal/2011/01/delaney_on_maryland_they_might.html)

Why do the Hokies even have a Wapo blog? They are closer to Tennessee than Washington.

Ibleedburgundy

01-19-2011, 04:41 PM

Maryland "might have the worse fans ever"

LINK (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hokies-journal/2011/01/delaney_on_maryland_they_might.html)

Yeah but you have to respect their couch-burning skills. They are a top 10 school in that regard.

Keino

01-19-2011, 04:56 PM

Yeah but you have to respect their couch-burning skills. They are a top 10 school in that regard.

#1 in the Nation Baby!

cal_junior

01-19-2011, 06:10 PM

Why do the Hokies even have a Wapo blog? They are closer to Tennessee than Washington.

It's based on alums, I'm sure. VaTech is a massive school and I think a lot of them head to the DC area after graduation.

My memory is that VaTech was always a part-timer beat for the paper, handled by a young guy (probably a recent grad or former intern) trying to get a full-time gig at the Post. That's the way Adam Kilgore (the current Nats writer) started.

Keino

01-23-2011, 09:17 AM

It's based on alums, I'm sure. VaTech is a massive school and I think a lot of them head to the DC area after graduation.

My memory is that VaTech was always a part-timer beat for the paper, handled by a young guy (probably a recent grad or former intern) trying to get a full-time gig at the Post. That's the way Adam Kilgore (the current Nats writer) started.

I am sure you're correct, as a ton of DMV High Schoolers go to VA Tech, and most of the area's best football players end up playing Beamer ball.

The problem is, they are not a local team (Neither is UVA BTW, but at least it is north of Richmond) and should not enjoy more local coverage than say, Georgetown, who is a local team. It's ridiculous that Va. Tech has a Wapo blog, but Georgetown who is local and features a starting line-up that is 3/5 local players does not. Pretty pathetic and evidence of twisted priorities in the sports department at the Wapo.

I mean, should the Steelers get local coverage and a blog because a ton of western PAers have moved to the DMV? As I said earlier, Blacksburg is closer to Tennessee than it is to NoVA or DC, and Tech certainly should not be covered as a local team or enjoy more coverage than a ranked local team like Georgetown. That is an embarrassment.

RedskinsDave

01-23-2011, 09:58 AM

I am sure you're correct, as a ton of DMV High Schoolers go to VA Tech, and most of the area's best football players end up playing Beamer ball.

The problem is, they are not a local team (Neither is UVA BTW, but at least it is north of Richmond) and should not enjoy more local coverage than say, Georgetown, who is a local team. It's ridiculous that Va. Tech has a Wapo blog, but Georgetown who is local and features a starting line-up that is 3/5 local players does not. Pretty pathetic and evidence of twisted priorities in the sports department at the Wapo.

I mean, should the Steelers get local coverage and a blog because a ton of western PAers have moved to the DMV? As I said earlier, Blacksburg is closer to Tennessee than it is to NoVA or DC, and Tech certainly should not be covered as a local team or enjoy more coverage than a ranked local team like Georgetown. That is an embarrassment.

There are far more Va Tech alums on the good side of the Potomac than probably any other school. Almost all of the people who go to Georgetown are from outside the area and they only have one sport worth following anyways. The Hoyas get plenty of coverage all the same. A blog would have no followers.

The paper is catering to their readers. Did you see the crowd at the Tech-Boise game? It was the best one ever in our stadium.

Keino

01-23-2011, 10:22 AM

There are far more Va Tech alums on the good side of the Potomac than probably any other school. Almost all of the people who go to Georgetown are from outside the area and they only have one sport worth following anyways. The Hoyas get plenty of coverage all the same. A blog would have no followers.

The paper is catering to their readers. Did you see the crowd at the Tech-Boise game? It was the best one ever in our stadium.

Yea, and it seemed half the crowd was cheering for Boise St.

You don't think there are enough Hoya hoop fans in the area who did not attend the school that there would be no following on the blog? I disagree with that.

And there are more Tech alums on the MD/DC side of the Potomac? That is news to me.

Local coverage isn't about the alums, it's about the schools being, I don't know, local. Otherwise the Post should start blogs for WVU, Penn State and Ohio State as well.

RedskinsDave

01-23-2011, 10:37 AM

I don't know what you were watching then. That game was all Tech fans and they were rabid.

Tech has always been treated as a local school. Sure, its as far away from D.C. as I am in Brooklyn but alums do matter.

The Maryland/DC side will be the good side the minute the first criteria is crime rate. ;)

RedskinsDave

01-23-2011, 10:42 AM

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nicefellow31

01-25-2011, 09:32 AM

I am sure you're correct, as a ton of DMV High Schoolers go to VA Tech, and most of the area's best football players end up playing Beamer ball.

The problem is, they are not a local team (Neither is UVA BTW, but at least it is north of Richmond) and should not enjoy more local coverage than say, Georgetown, who is a local team. It's ridiculous that Va. Tech has a Wapo blog, but Georgetown who is local and features a starting line-up that is 3/5 local players does not. Pretty pathetic and evidence of twisted priorities in the sports department at the Wapo.

I mean, should the Steelers get local coverage and a blog because a ton of western PAers have moved to the DMV? As I said earlier, Blacksburg is closer to Tennessee than it is to NoVA or DC, and Tech certainly should not be covered as a local team or enjoy more coverage than a ranked local team like Georgetown. That is an embarrassment.

I've been saying that for years. When I was growing up, the Wapo had me believing VA Tech was outside of DC. I was shocked when I found out how far they were from DC.

cal_junior

01-25-2011, 10:22 AM

The problem is, they are not a local team (Neither is UVA BTW, but at least it is north of Richmond) and should not enjoy more local coverage than say, Georgetown, who is a local team. It's ridiculous that Va. Tech has a Wapo blog, but Georgetown who is local and features a starting line-up that is 3/5 local players does not. Pretty pathetic and evidence of twisted priorities in the sports department at the Wapo.

I mean, should the Steelers get local coverage and a blog because a ton of western PAers have moved to the DMV? As I said earlier, Blacksburg is closer to Tennessee than it is to NoVA or DC, and Tech certainly should not be covered as a local team or enjoy more coverage than a ranked local team like Georgetown. That is an embarrassment.

Everything is readership-driven. My guess is that since Georgetown is a relatively small university and is irrelevant in football there simply isn't as much interest. If people were bothered by the lack of Hoyas coverage they would let the paper know and the coverage would be altered accordingly. Just a guess: perhaps to get blog coverage a school needs to have multiple sports covered by the paper, I doubt anyone cares about anything Georgetown does except men's basketball.

And professional sports teams aren't going to be covered the same way. You don't "attend" the Steelers in the same way you "attend" a college. Also, universities usually have a pretty good handle on where their alums live and work. The Post can budget for the number of Hokies fans who live in its coverage area.

But the lack of a blog doesn't mean the Hoyas aren't covered. One of the paper's best guys (IMO) - Tarik El-Bashir - covers Georgetown and they pay for him to travel with the team up and down the East coast (no small feat given newspaper budget cuts these days). I took a quick glance and it looks like the Post has published eight Georgetown articles in the past two weeks.

Keino

01-25-2011, 10:42 AM

My whole point is that a non-local team should not enjoy local coverage. In the same two-week period there have been 14 Blog postings about Virginia Tech's Basketball team. I didn't bother looking for articles, because as is the case with Georgetown they are largely game recaps.

According to statements in years past by Wapo Sports editors, Maryland and Georgetown rank #1 and #2 in terms of readership interest in college basketball according to their own polling. Do you guys really think that The Hoyas popularity in the DC area is driven by alums? I don't. There is a reason a "Small College" plays it's home games in the Pro Arena, and that is due to the small college's large local following.

I am tired of reading or even seeing blog entries about Jeff Allen and Malcolm Delaney. How about some blog entries about Austin Freeman and Chris Wright, two LOCAL players who attended LOCAL High schools? And I mean blog entries that go beyond the Steinberg Sports Bog posting tweets after losses or posting Atlantic 11 rankings.

cal_junior

01-25-2011, 11:02 AM

My whole point is that a non-local team should not enjoy local coverage. In the same two-week period there have been 14 Blog postings about Virginia Tech's Basketball team. I didn't bother looking for articles, because as is the case with Georgetown they are largely game recaps.

According to statements in years past by Wapo Sports editors, Maryland and Georgetown rank #1 and #2 in terms of readership interest in college basketball according to their own polling. Do you guys really think that The Hoyas popularity in the DC area is driven by alums? I don't. There is a reason a "Small College" plays it's home games in the Pro Arena, and that is due to the small college's large local following.

If a meaningful percentage of the coverage area cares about the college and its sports teams isn't it by definition a local team?

My point is that if people weren't reading the coverage it wouldn't exist. Your issue seems to be with the consumer as much as the product.

If the Georgetown articles started getting more hits on the site I bet you'd start seeing more of them, perhaps even a dedicated blog. I'd be willing to bet there is just far more interest in VaTech sports.

dj_stouty

01-25-2011, 11:08 AM

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As a UVA fan who despises Tech, i must admit that their fanbase is extremely loyal and rabid. I wish UVA had 1/10th the entrance vibe that Tech did. You have to give it to them, ever after year, they come out jumping and screaming. I don't know how they do it, considering they only win 4% of their games against top 5 opponents. *zing* lol

I really have no problem with the Wapo giving coverage to UVA or Tech. Those are Virginia's top 2 programs in the state, and the WaPo considers Virginia sporting news as relevant.

Keino

01-25-2011, 11:19 AM

If a meaningful percentage of the coverage area cares about the college and its sports teams isn't it by definition a local team?

Not under any definition of local that I use.

My point is that if people weren't reading the coverage it wouldn't exist. Your issue seems to be with the consumer as much as the product.

I have stated my issue. Va Tech is not local, no matter how many alums live in the area. There are a ton of Penn State alums in the area, that does not mean that PSU should enjoy local coverage.

If the Georgetown articles started getting more hits on the site I bet you'd start seeing more of them, perhaps even a dedicated blog. I'd be willing to bet there is just far more interest in VaTech sports.

I would take that bet as it relates to Basketball if there was any way to prove it. You cannot tell me that VA Tech enjoys more local interest in Basketball than the Hoyas do, especially when readership polls conducted by the Post confirm that very thing.

Frankly George Mason deserves more coverage than Va Tech.

cal_junior

01-25-2011, 11:35 AM

Not under any definition of local that I use.

If your local readership cares about something, it is of local interest.

I have stated my issue. Va Tech is not local, no matter how many alums live in the area. There are a ton of Penn State alums in the area, that does not mean that PSU should enjoy local coverage.

Since the Post is a business in the interest of making money, we can agree that the only reason the resources have been dedicated is because the page views are there. Do you want them to stop catering to the reader?

I would take that bet as it relates to Basketball if there was any way to prove it. You cannot tell me that VA Tech enjoys more local interest in Basketball than the Hoyas do, especially when readership polls conducted by the Post confirm that very thing.

My bet was sports, not basketball. How do you think the local interest in VaTech sports as a whole compares with the local interest in Georgetown sports as a whole?

Keino

01-25-2011, 01:26 PM

If your local readership cares about something, it is of local interest.

Ah, but that's not what you said earlier. You said that if locals are interested in a team, then the team is by definition local. That is not the case at all. Local, will always have a geographical component to it. Local readership caring about a non-local team is a different proposition than the one you proposed two posts up.

Perhaps I am splitting hairs.

Since the Post is a business in the interest of making money, we can agree that the only reason the resources have been dedicated is because the page views are there. Do you want them to stop catering to the reader?

You'll have to pardon my ignorance here, but can you explain how a web-based blog on a free website that does not appear in the print addition of the periodical which garners subscriptions and income is a business decision affecting the bottomline? Is it the ad revenue from those pages? Or is it that a pissed-off readership will cancel subscriptions? I'd be interested to know how many followers of the blog are actual subscribers to the Post. (Not that I am looking to you for this, just wondering aloud).

My bet was sports, not basketball. How do you think the local interest in VaTech sports as a whole compares with the local interest in Georgetown sports as a whole?

This entire discussion, from my point of view has been about basketball. Va Tech is not a local football team either, but as this is basketball and my objections are basketball related, that would be the bet. Hoyas blog vs a VA Tech Blog during basketball season and I would bet (and probably give odds at that) on the Hoyas blog all day in the paint,

Again, the readership polls have always indicated that for college basketball, the interest is Maryland and Georgetown at spots 1 and 2. That tells me that a Hoyas Hoop blog would get more clicks than a VA Tech blog during basketball season and the difference is that Georgetown is local in every sense of the word. I cannot believe that such a blog would be a strain on the Posts resources BTW.

cal_junior

01-25-2011, 01:56 PM

Ah, but that's not what you said earlier. You said that if locals are interested in a team, then the team is by definition local. That is not the case at all. Local, will always have a geographical component to it. Local readership caring about a non-local team is a different proposition than the one you proposed two posts up.

Perhaps I am splitting hairs.

My only point is that the alums/fans of VaTech are the ones who make it local. It is a local story for the Post's website because readers in its coverage area are interested.

It's possible they feel like the web is the superior way to cover VaTech for precisely the reason it is farther away. Most Hoyas fans can grab a paper - or perhaps the Post would like them to, lol. Maybe increased free web coverage of a team like Georgetown could negatively impact circulation. But that is purely a guess.

You'll have to pardon my ignorance here, but can you explain how a web-based blog on a free website that does not appear in the print addition of the periodical which garners subscriptions and income is a business decision affecting the bottomline? Is it the ad revenue from those pages? Or is it that a pissed-off readership will cancel subscriptions? I'd be interested to know how many followers of the blog are actual subscribers to the Post. (Not that I am looking to you for this, just wondering aloud).

Just resources, I would think - if reporters/editors/designers are working on a blog it means they aren't working on something else. Newspapers are trying desperately not to lay people off these days so if they are covering something it's because advertising dollars (web or print) make it worthwhile.

This entire discussion, from my point of view has been about basketball. Va Tech is not a local football team either, but as this is basketball and my objections are basketball related, that would be the bet. Hoyas blog vs a VA Tech Blog during basketball season and I would bet (and probably give odds at that) on the Hoyas blog all day in the paint,

Again, the readership polls have always indicated that for college basketball, the interest is Maryland and Georgetown at spots 1 and 2. That tells me that a Hoyas Hoop blog would get more clicks than a VA Tech blog during basketball season and the difference is that Georgetown is local in every sense of the word. I cannot believe that such a blog would be a strain on the Posts resources BTW.

Fair enough. I think if there was no such thing as VaTech football we wouldn't be having this conversation. Football simply strikes me as a more bloggable sport.

And I'm sure a Hoyas hoops blog would get more clicks than the VaTech hoops coverage on that bog.

Sean T RIP

01-27-2011, 08:06 PM

Here comes the terps

dj_stouty

01-28-2011, 08:35 AM

I went to the VCU vs. Hofstra game last night and its pretty evident VCU is the cream of the CAA crop. Hofstra is second in the CAA and the Rams wiped the floor with them. Baring a weird turn of events, it looks like VCU should make the Dance and be another Cinderella canidate. No superstars like Eric Maynor...or Larry Sanders....just a solid squad with tons of experience.

UVA, on the other hand, couldn't even buy themselves a CBI postseason win if they wanted...

nicefellow31

02-01-2011, 11:16 AM

Well my WolfPack lost another one last night. I like Sidney Lowe as a recruiter much more than as a coach, shoulda one that game against BC... this team may be young but they're far too talented to play so inconsistently from game to game.

Do you think Sidney will get the axe after this season? You got a new AD (hahaha) and she, like Mike Singletary "wants winners!" If he goes, who is on your short list of candidates? I'm a MD guy and I'm amazed at how far the Wolfpack has fallen in the last 20 years or so.

Keino

02-02-2011, 12:03 PM

NCskinsfanatic

02-02-2011, 12:52 PM

Do you think Sidney will get the axe after this season? You got a new AD (hahaha) and she, like Mike Singletary "wants winners!" If he goes, who is on your short list of candidates? I'm a MD guy and I'm amazed at how far the Wolfpack has fallen in the last 20 years or so.

Yeah I think Sydney's done man. He was a heck of a player and seemed to be a decent assistant with the Pistons during his NBA tenure but he has failed miserably as a HC imo. He does recruit well and that's why I continued to hold out hope that he would turn the program around. But sadly it just isnt going to happen. As for a replacement the usual names like Rick Barnes and Calipari will get mentioned but there's no chance either of those guys are leaving national power houses for my beloved WolfPack.

I've heard very little through the local rumor mill in regards to who could be a potential replacement for Lowe thus far so your guess is as good as mine.
Sidney mishandled the team when he added JJ Hickson and has done so again with a legitimately talent freshman class this year. Im just sick of losing, we were atleast competetive during Sendecks tenure with 5 straight NCAA births even if we could never get over the hump.

I think Sendeck was disliked by the fan base even moreso after responding to a question regarding his losing record vs Duke and UNshee by stating that it was just another game and it counted in the W-L column the same as all the rest. That and his failure to ever ascend to the top of the ACC left the fan base wanting more passion, more tenacity but instead we got a guy in a red clown suit that cant coach. All I know is the next hire is crucial, we wont attract a top notch coach because he'd have to recruit against the likes of the Tarholes and the Blue Devils which is no easy task with the current state of our program. The best we can hope for is to find a fiery small school coach that is ready to make the jump and carve out a name for himself in one of the top bball conferences in the United States.

Absolutely. The guy can recruit, but he is a terrible gametime coach. Yea, he's done some good for NC State as a player, but it is time for them to move on to another coach.

Couldn't have put it better myself...sigh.

CarMike

02-02-2011, 03:16 PM

Absolutely. The guy can recruit, but he is a terrible gametime coach. Yea, he's done some good for NC State as a player, but it is time for them to move on to another coach.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sign him to an extension ASAP!

NCskinsfanatic

02-02-2011, 05:24 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sign him to an extension ASAP!

Mike...I hate you lol ;)!

Keino

02-02-2011, 08:02 PM

I am certain that the three of us can agree on this sentiment:

Duck Fuke!

mr shadow 008

02-02-2011, 09:25 PM

GO DUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :moon2::Peace:

CarMike

02-03-2011, 07:08 AM

Always and forever!

+1

I am certain that the three of us can agree on this sentiment:

Duck Fuke!

Keino

02-03-2011, 09:16 AM

We are not a good team. We have no shooters and our Guards refuse to feed the post, which is where our only legit offensive threat plays. This Terps team is very frustrating to watch.

cal_junior

02-03-2011, 10:32 AM

We are not a good team. We have no shooters and our Guards refuse to feed the post, which is where our only legit offensive threat plays. This Terps team is very frustrating to watch.

This is the key right here. Maryland has no legit outside threat to help open things up for Williams. Plus the young guards turn the ball over too much.

I still think Gary is among the best coaches in the country. But his hang-ups about recruiting the AAU circuit are preventing Maryland from being a consistent national presence.

Keino

02-03-2011, 11:24 AM

This is the key right here. Maryland has no legit outside threat to help open things up for Williams. Plus the young guards turn the ball over too much.

I still think Gary is among the best coaches in the country. But his hang-ups about recruiting the AAU circuit are preventing Maryland from being a consistent national presence.

Never have I seen a program get less traction from a National Title. This is what pisses me off about Gary. He is a great coach. His recruiting leaves much to be desired. To have so much of your roster made up of kids from other parts of the country when your school is in the richest place for basketball talent is just sad. You just aren't going to get another Dixon/Blake/Baxter squad of largely under-recruited guys and have the same success. You have to get blue-chip talent, which is funny, because huge factor on that National Chip Team was a Blue Chipper....Chris Wilcox.

cal_junior

02-03-2011, 11:38 AM

Never have I seen a program get less traction from a National Title. This is what pisses me off about Gary. He is a great coach. His recruiting leaves much to be desired. To have so much of your roster made up of kids from other parts of the country when your school is in the richest place for basketball talent is just sad. You just aren't going to get another Dixon/Blake/Baxter squad of largely under-recruited guys and have the same success. You have to get blue-chip talent, which is funny, because huge factor on that National Chip Team was a Blue Chipper....Chris Wilcox.

You're exactly right. The only chance Maryland has is when guys like Juan Dixon turn out to be light year's better than anybody thought. Gary seems to be living in the 1990s and thinks talking to HS coaches and parents is enough.

I appreciate he takes pride in running a clean program, I really do. I don't want him to turn into Jim Calhoun and start cutting corners. But that doesn't mean he can't adapt to the world of modern recruiting. It is absolutely laughable that Thad Matta is brining in stud after stud to Ohio State - a football school, for god's sake - while Gary's recruits are players you can't find on national top-100 lists.

NCskinsfanatic

02-03-2011, 03:57 PM

I am certain that the three of us can agree on this sentiment:

Duck Fuke!

I'm down with that Keino lol.

Patrick

02-03-2011, 05:49 PM

That was very painful last night ..... :bangdesk:

CarMike

02-04-2011, 10:31 AM

PG Larry Drew II has decided to transfer to another school immediately. Strange timing to leave right in the middle of conference play. I wish he had transferred last summer when rumors were going around. Guess his ego couldn't take the benching once K. Marshall got up to speed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6089805

SkinsKY

02-04-2011, 07:29 PM

BRAVEONAWARPATH

02-04-2011, 09:25 PM

I still think Gary is among the best coaches in the country. But his hang-ups about recruiting the AAU circuit are preventing Maryland from being a consistent national presence.
This guy will help. Alot.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5737076

ESPNU 100 SG Nick Faust (Baltimore, Md./Baltimore City College) has decided to stay home and play for coach Gary Williams at Maryland. The Baltimore native chose the Terrapins over Marquette, Florida State, Villanova and Oregon State.

"I wanted to stay close to home and play in front of family and friends and someday give back to my hometown," said Faust. "I feel I can make an impact as a freshman."

Faust, who started turning heads playing for Baltimore Elite, has been one of the biggest surprises of the spring and summer circuits. Don't let his innocent looking face and thin frame (6-foot-6, 180 pounds) fool you, he will drop big numbers on opponents without hesitation. When he's left alone for a spilt second whether in transition or the half-court set he will make the open shot, especially from deep. He is a high-energy play who has a long, athletic body to shoot over defenders or finish in the paint. Plus, he handles the ball well as a secondary ballhandler and because of his instincts and basketball IQ he can make the assist or play off the ball. Defensively, he uses his long frame to contest jumpers and then rebound down to help his team.

"Nick is a great kid both on and off the court," said Baltimore Elite coach Bob Carrington, who has coached the No. 25-ranked player in the country since he was 8 years old.

It is obvious Faust needs to add strength and bulk to his thin frame because he wears down at times. He also needs to improve his consistency from behind the 3-point line as well as develop a mid-range game.

When it comes to making his players tougher and better, Williams is a master. More importantly, Faust is smart enough to work on being productive in all areas of his game to be one of the nation's best in time.

"I really need to be more consistent with my entire game," said Faust.

It was huge for the Terps to land the top rated player from the state of Maryland. With Sterling Gibbs (Scotch Plains, N.J./Seton Hall Prep) at the point, Faust next to him on the perimeter and much-improved big man Jordan Williams inside, Maryland will continue to be a force in the difficult ACC.

CarMike

02-05-2011, 07:39 AM

Good thing his dad taught him how to be man, by calling Roy for him.

No kidding. Almost as bad as the Wear twins leaving after last season. [just after signing day so we didn't have time to recruit any bigs]

California kids have killed UNC for the past few years. LDII makes the fourth Cali kid to leave the program.

Sean T RIP

02-06-2011, 08:35 AM

This guy will help. Alot.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5737076

Faust will definatly help alot but we need to sign a big man or two .... With the nba draft being so weak this year Williams will probably be gone even though he isn't ready

smoot

02-06-2011, 11:05 AM

Faust will definatly help alot but we need to sign a big man or two .... With the nba draft being so weak this year Williams will probably be gone even though he isn't ready
Keep an eye on Wally Judge

NCskinsfanatic

02-06-2011, 11:53 AM

Keep an eye on Wally Judge

Hey Smoot any substantial rumors about the Pack's next coach?

smoot

02-06-2011, 12:26 PM

Hey Smoot any substantial rumors about the Pack's next coach?
Nothing substantial yet, DY won't make any statement towards Lowe's future until the season is over. The athletic department loves Sean Miller, Archie Miller, and Tubby Smith though.

And a big LOL at CJ Leslie

NCskinsfanatic

02-06-2011, 01:21 PM

Nothing substantial yet, DY won't make any statement towards Lowe's future until the season is over. The athletic department loves Sean Miller, Archie Miller, and Tubby Smith though.

And a big LOL at CJ Leslie

Yeah this recruiting class isnt living up to the hype and I understand Yows unwillingness to comment publicly on Lowes replacement but the guy has to go. Decent recruiter...horrible game day coach. I like Archie but I like his brother better but would he really leave Arizona iyo?

smoot

02-06-2011, 01:37 PM

Yeah this recruiting class isnt living up to the hype and I understand Yows unwillingness to comment publicly on Lowes replacement but the guy has to go. Decent recruiter...horrible game day coach. I like Archie but I like his brother better but would he really leave Arizona iyo?
If they offer the same financial package that they offered Rick Barnes, yes.

CarMike

02-06-2011, 03:50 PM

Any truth to the rumor going around about CJ Leslie?

NCskinsfanatic

02-06-2011, 04:01 PM

Any truth to the rumor going around about CJ Leslie?

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=192&f=1118&t=7161391&p=1

CarMike

02-07-2011, 05:22 AM

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=192&f=1118&t=7161391&p=1

I knew he was suspended. I was wondering about why he was suspended. [supposedly point shaving] A big time State booster was stating that it's dealing with a point shaving scandal.

smoot

02-07-2011, 02:23 PM

I knew he was suspended. I was wondering about why he was suspended. [supposedly point shaving] A big time State booster was stating that it's dealing with a point shaving scandal.
Point shaving is impossible to prove unless they have a money trail. 95% chance it's academic fraud.

Oh and for NCSF, here's an interesting tidbit i came across today:
Just wait till early April if the "Chairman" down in Raleigh hires Jay Wright or Rick Barnes.I do alot of business and smoozing with big-time State boosters. Good friends with one in paticular. I've heard they'll make an open pocketbook run at Wright/Barnes led by Wendell Murphy. The 2nd tier of coaches they'll go for is Sean Miller,Chris Mack, and Buzz Williams. I can only imagine this boards reaction if Jay Wright is hired to be the HC at NC State for hoops.Greg Marshall at Wichita St. is also a name out there, but behind the scenes he is a freakin nut job.

NCskinsfanatic

02-07-2011, 06:39 PM

Point shaving is impossible to prove unless they have a money trail. 95% chance it's academic fraud.

Oh and for NCSF, here's an interesting tidbit i came across today:

Nice... thanks for sharing Smoot, maybe there's hope lol. Jay Wright would be a huge upgrade and even though I like Barnes a lil' more I just cant see him leaving Texas.

And for Carmike, in regards to the CJ Leslie situation...he's already back at practice:

http://ncstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1186320

NCskinsfanatic

02-08-2011, 10:10 AM

Lowe responds on the CJ Leslie suspension:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/02/08/975547/lowe-leslie-suspension-just-youth.html

smoot

02-08-2011, 10:57 AM

Martin Breunig becoming a real possibility for Maryland

cal_junior

02-08-2011, 11:00 AM

Martin Breunig becoming a real possibility for Maryland

But is he any good? I can't find any other major program that has shown interest.

smoot

02-08-2011, 11:38 AM

But is he any good? I can't find any other major program that has shown interest.
Late riser gathering major interest as of late, namely Marquette and Wisconsin as Maryland's main competition. At this point last month his best offer was Maine. He has very impressive tape and an extremely unique skillset for a man his size, very reminiscent of Kyle Singler without the polish.

cal_junior

02-08-2011, 11:54 AM

Late riser gathering major interest as of late, namely Marquette and Wisconsin as Maryland's main competition. At this point last month his best offer was Maine. He has very impressive tape and an extremely unique skillset for a man his size, very reminiscent of Kyle Singler without the polish.

Kyle Singler? That's quite a comparison.

The tape I saw didn't make it seem as if he was a perimeter player in that mold.

smoot

02-08-2011, 12:33 PM

Kyle Singler? That's quite a comparison.

The tape I saw didn't make it seem as if he was a perimeter player in that mold.
Gugliotta may be a little better. Keep in mind that alot of what makes Singler who he is is in fact how polished and highly developed his skillset is.

This is the best tape of him:
Game tape - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOsoSYIh_1c
Skill showing session - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7lM5_w60oE

cal_junior

02-08-2011, 12:50 PM

Keep in mind that alot of what makes Singler who he is is in fact how polished and highly developed his skillset is.

Meaning the guy was a stud.

I'll check out those links you sent later today.

smoot

02-08-2011, 12:54 PM

Meaning the guy was a stud.

I'll check out those links you sent later today.
Singler yes. I compare Breunig to him without the polish. He has tantalizing potential, but he's not a stud yet.

Patrick

02-09-2011, 06:49 AM

Martin Breunig becoming a real possibility for Maryland Show me the signature on paper otherwise just add him to that list of the other potential signings........ Gary better find someone who can step in for Jordan Williams next season cause he might not be coming back after this year.

Keino

02-09-2011, 07:55 AM

Show me the signature on paper otherwise just add him to that list of the other potential signings........ Gary better find someone who can step in for Jordan Williams next season cause he might not be coming back after this year.

You may be right, but Williams would be foolish to go to the NBA at this point. He has a ton to work on with his game, and with his size, he needs to develop a face-up game.

Patrick

02-09-2011, 09:28 AM

You may be right, but Williams would be foolish to go to the NBA at this point. He has a ton to work on with his game, and with his size, he needs to develop a face-up game. Oh I agree with you 100% and we can only hope he doesn't have the wrong people whispering in his ear but we've seen how that has gone in the past.

Sean T RIP

02-09-2011, 01:02 PM

You may be right, but Williams would be foolish to go to the NBA at this point. He has a ton to work on with his game, and with his size, he needs to develop a face-up game.

You are right he does but someone is going to make this kid a millionair...

smoot

02-09-2011, 03:34 PM

Show me the signature on paper otherwise just add him to that list of the other potential signings........ Gary better find someone who can step in for Jordan Williams next season cause he might not be coming back after this year.
Wasn't trying to imply that he's close to comitting, just that Maryland is one of a few schools truly persuing him and near the top of his list.

mr shadow 008

02-09-2011, 10:16 PM

two words: BLUE DEVILS! :Peace:

BRAVEONAWARPATH

02-09-2011, 10:57 PM

http://www.casualhoya.com/2010/11/1/1761321/tyler-adams-to-georgetown-former-duke-commit-picks-hoyas-over

Mississippi big man Tyler Adams has committed to Georgetown, according to ESPN's Dave Telep. Adams is listed as the 5th best center and 54th best player in the Class of 2011 by Rivals.

He had originally given a verbal commitment to Duke in April but chose to attend Georgetown's Midnight Madness rather than the festivities staged by the Blue Devils. He withdrew his commitment to Duke in late October and was recently deciding between Georgetown and Mississippi State before announcing his intentions to come to the Hilltop next fall.

Some Duke fans will certainly cry foul play, and make feeble attempts to differentiate this situation from the recruitment of Austin Rivers, who was committed to Florida when he took an unofficial visit to Durham, subsequently reopening his recruitment and later committing to Duke. Others will realize that the fickle verbal commitments of 17 year old high school players are often subject to change and the recruiting game involves attaining and now maintaining verbal commitments. Adams chose to reevaluate his initial college choice and wanted to explore more options. Given his prior connection to new Georgetown assistant coach Robert Kirby, and the program's recent history of sending big men to the NBA, the Hoyas were a natural choice. Plenty of other rumors are out there regarding Adams' decision, some make more sense than others depending on your school allegiance.

I admit that I was initially disappointed to learn that Georgetown was involved with a player that had committed to another program, and the fact that Duke had done something similar with Austin Rivers was not a justifiable reason. I do trust, however, that Thompson the Third and staff acted ethically, and I realize that the recruiting game is quickly changing as verbal commitments are often meaningless. To quote the venerable Omar: "The game's out there, and it's play or get played."

Since coming to the Hilltop, John Thompson III has battled Mike Krzyzewski for many recruits, including Greg Monroe, Hollis Thompson, Josh Hairston and Tyler Thornton. The Tyler Adams saga will certainly add more fuel to the recruiting fire as both programs continue to pursue the similar types of players. This makes for an interesting story line for the 2011 Maui Invitational, which features both the Hoyas and Blue Devils.

mr shadow 008

02-09-2011, 11:36 PM

For the record i did not think it was foul play for gtown to get involved in that recruitment if the kid wasnt happy with his choice then thats his choice to make i mean hes a 17 or 18 yr old kid and i know im only 20 and would have a difficult decision with that too. if the kid wasnt happy with duke and opted to go else where then more power to him. he has every right to change his mind and be happy. was i shocked at first yes. but i wasnt upset or mad. and if that article thinks most duke fans are then thats wrong. i am also a member of another forum just like this one called dukebasketballreport.com and no one on that website thought that there was foul play involved were they dissapointed yes but they werent overly upset about it like that article suggests.

CarMike

02-10-2011, 07:26 AM

That one hurt.

Patrick

02-10-2011, 07:33 AM

two words: BLUE DEVILS! :Peace:

One word: SUCKS

CarMike

02-10-2011, 07:39 AM

One word: SUCKS

I approve this message.

Keino

02-10-2011, 09:35 AM

That one hurt.

Man I went to bed like "Carolina's got this" and woke up to find that they didn't.

CarMike

02-10-2011, 11:36 AM

Man I went to bed like "Carolina's got this" and woke up to find that they didn't.

I hear ya. Reminds me of many cowgirls / Redskins games. lol

smoot

02-14-2011, 11:15 PM

Decent commitment for State the other day in Josep Mikulic, especially considering the coaching situation

dj_stouty

02-15-2011, 07:31 AM

Keino

02-15-2011, 09:31 AM

Huge CAA game tonight with VCU Rams hosting George Mason. Winner will most likely win the CAA and get the top seed in their tournament. Both teams have been cinderellas in the Big Dance in year's past, so I'd love to see both represented this year.

I can see both getting into the tourney if they end up in the Conference Championship game. An early Conference Tourney loss would be devastating to both programs.

nicefellow31

02-15-2011, 11:41 AM

Point shaving is impossible to prove unless they have a money trail. 95% chance it's academic fraud.

If there is a money trail, this man will find it.

http://paulbarry.com/images/lester.jpg

dj_stouty

02-15-2011, 11:50 AM

I can see both getting into the tourney if they end up in the Conference Championship game. An early Conference Tourney loss would be devastating to both programs.

Larranaga has been pretty vocal lately about the CAA deserving an at-large bid. I agree with him. The quality of b-ball in this conference has really increased the past 5 years. I also think a GMU vs. VCU matchup in the CAA should get them both in. Hopefully with both most likely getting high seeds, there won't be much worry for first round upsets.

I forgot to mention that the game will be broadcast on ESPNU.

smoot

02-24-2011, 12:56 PM

Maryland beat out Wisconsin and Marquette for Martin Breunig today, securing a much needed replacement for Dino Gregory next year. Major credit to Berend Weijs for giving him what Breunig called "the perfect visit" and Dino for playing the perfect game to demonstrate what Breunig will be asked to do.

cal_junior

02-25-2011, 10:37 AM

UNC is reducing student tickets (http://www.dailytarheel.com/index.php/article/2011/02/unc_basketball_student_ticket_policy_provides_fewe r_tickets_to_students) for hoops because the kids aren't showing:

“What boggles our minds is that for the games that are in February, the number of individual students who signed up was 8,600 on average,” said Clint Gwaltney, associate athletic director.

“We then send out the tickets, and the people that decide to come to the game averages 60 percent.”

dj_stouty

02-25-2011, 11:00 AM

I can see both getting into the tourney if they end up in the Conference Championship game. An early Conference Tourney loss would be devastating to both programs.

VCU made some RPI headway after beating Wichita State in the Bracketbusters series, but they just dropped another conference game, so its "win the CAA" or go home for the Rams.

I also notice Univ of Richmond is starting to appear on many analyst's "Last four in" list.

VT is also on the bubble after getting swept by UVA (LMFAO) , but a key ACC win here or there in the tourney could really help their cause. Delaney is a stud and I wouldn't mind seeing how he fares in the Big Dance.

Sean T RIP

02-25-2011, 01:01 PM

Good catch by gary now we need desmond Hnbert
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/recruiting/2011/02/martin_breunig_commits_to_maryland.html

Keino

02-25-2011, 01:28 PM

VCU made some RPI headway after beating Wichita State in the Bracketbusters series, but they just dropped another conference game, so its "win the CAA" or go home for the Rams.

I also notice Univ of Richmond is starting to appear on many analyst's "Last four in" list.

VT is also on the bubble after getting swept by UVA (LMFAO) , but a key ACC win here or there in the tourney could really help their cause. Delaney is a stud and I wouldn't mind seeing how he fares in the Big Dance.

I still think GMU-VCU CAA final gives both a tourney birth. The Drexel loss hurts, but teams like ODU are nationally respected as is the strength of the overall conference.

I think GMU is in with a decent showing in the CAA tourney.

smoot

02-25-2011, 02:17 PM

Good catch by gary now we need desmond Hnbert
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/recruiting/2011/02/martin_breunig_commits_to_maryland.html
Look for Whittington over Hubert. Hubert seems to be hinging everything on a comittable offer from UNC now that Chol is going to Arizona

CarMike

02-25-2011, 03:55 PM

Look for Whittington over Hubert. Hubert seems to be hinging everything on a comittable offer from UNC now that Chol is going to Arizona

+1

smoot is correct. Hubert is waiting for a commitable offer from UNC. It'll likely come soon from what I've read.

smoot

02-25-2011, 04:14 PM

+1

smoot is correct. Hubert is waiting for a commitable offer from UNC. It'll likely come soon from what I've read.
He'll do a nice job stepping into Henson's role for you.

IHATEDALLAS'82'87'91

02-26-2011, 10:51 PM

Let's Go Hokies!!!

WarEagle

02-27-2011, 01:34 AM

I saw the very end. I like it when security allows the fans to celebrate on the court in these rare situations. Good for them.

Keino

02-28-2011, 09:06 AM

That sound you heard from Chapel Hill last night was Maryland's tournament hopes going down the drain. Maybe they will get VCU in the NIT?

CarMike

02-28-2011, 09:13 AM

Terrell Stoglin will become a thorn in a lot of teams sides for the next 2-3 years.

Kid is a beast.

And OMT....

Stoglin >>> Vasquez

JMHO

Keino

02-28-2011, 09:45 AM

Terrell Stoglin will become a thorn in a lot of teams sides for the next 2-3 years.

Kid is a beast.

And OMT....

Stoglin >>> Vasquez

JMHO

Stoglin refuses to feed the post and the best and most legit offensive threat for the Terps is a post player. It is very frustrating to watch. And I hate Sean Mosely's game.......hate it.

Keino

02-28-2011, 09:46 AM

Plus he looks like a teenaged mutant ninja turtle without the shell or the cool weapons...(Stoglin I mean).

dj_stouty

02-28-2011, 09:51 AM

That sound you heard from Chapel Hill last night was Maryland's tournament hopes going down the drain. Maybe they will get VCU in the NIT?

LOL...VCU crapped the bed again, so they only have one shot left. For the first 3/4 of the season, I thought this team was actually better than the ones Eric Maynor and Larry Sanders played on. But losing 4 of your last five was painful and I could see them losing to an inferior team early in the CAA. They don't have the mental focus to win right now...

I think NIT is about right for this squad...

Keino

02-28-2011, 10:08 AM

LOL...VCU crapped the bed again, so they only have one shot left. For the first 3/4 of the season, I thought this team was actually better than the ones Eric Maynor and Larry Sanders played on. But losing 4 of your last five was painful and I could see them losing to an inferior team early in the CAA. They don't have the mental focus to win right now...

I think NIT is about right for this squad...

Oh, the CAA is going to send 2 teams, possibly 3. GMU and ODU look to be in good shape and Richmond may sneak in there as well. VCU's collapse is very Terrapin-esque and they, like the Terps, need to win the conference tourney to go dancing....

dj_stouty

02-28-2011, 11:09 AM

Oh, the CAA is going to send 2 teams, possibly 3. GMU and ODU look to be in good shape and Richmond may sneak in there as well. VCU's collapse is very Terrapin-esque and they, like the Terps, need to win the conference tourney to go dancing....

I agree about definitely 2 teams and 3 is a possibility if GMU and ODU don't win the CAA. GMU and ODU both have RPIs in the top 30, I believe.

Richmond is actually in the A-10 and they are in great shape. 11 wins in-conference to sit in 3rd place...22 wins overall...with one of them coming over Purdue.

Keino

02-28-2011, 11:33 AM

I agree about definitely 2 teams and 3 is a possibility if GMU and ODU don't win the CAA. GMU and ODU both have RPIs in the top 30, I believe.

Richmond is actually in the A-10 and they are in great shape. 11 wins in-conference to sit in 3rd place...22 wins overall...with one of them coming over Purdue.

Ah. Got my mid-majors mixed up.

smoot

02-28-2011, 11:44 AM

Terrell Stoglin will become a thorn in a lot of teams sides for the next 2-3 years.

Kid is a beast.

And OMT....

Stoglin >>> Vasquez

JMHO
Vas was a much more rounded player, but Stoglin is the best scorer Maryland has gotten in a loooong time.

Patrick

02-28-2011, 02:13 PM

Vas was a much more rounded player, but Stoglin is the best scorer Maryland has gotten in a loooong time. Stoglin learns to play under control he will exceed Vas simply because of his speed. The key will be this year summer league play for him and how much he's willing to develop his game.
What frustrates me about MD right now is the lack of 3pt shooting which was really the difference in the game last night .... plus the REALLY slow development of James Padgett.
I think the Terps can still get into the NCAAs by winning out and winning 3 games in the ACC Tour.

dj_stouty

02-28-2011, 02:34 PM

See the type of motivation that is produced by being swept by UVA? lol

smoot

02-28-2011, 03:49 PM

Stoglin learns to play under control he will exceed Vas simply because of his speed. The key will be this year summer league play for him and how much he's willing to develop his game.
What frustrates me about MD right now is the lack of 3pt shooting which was really the difference in the game last night .... plus the REALLY slow development of James Padgett.
I think the Terps can still get into the NCAAs by winning out and winning 3 games in the ACC Tour.
Padge is more likely to transfer out than develop at this point IMO

Keino

03-03-2011, 07:10 AM

No comments on the Brandon Davies thing? BYU I think was headed for at least the great 8 in the tourney, possibly the final 4.

dj_stouty

03-03-2011, 07:26 AM

No comments on the Brandon Davies thing? BYU I think was headed for at least the great 8 in the tourney, possibly the final 4.

Looks like Davies was much more important to the team than expected. They got whooped last night and Fredette's 33 points had no impact. BYU just got way too one-dimensional...

CarMike

03-03-2011, 08:27 AM

No comments on the Brandon Davies thing? BYU I think was headed for at least the great 8 in the tourney, possibly the final 4.

I must be like that guy on the latest Geico commercial. The one with the guy living under a rock. I hadn't heard about this till I just googled Brandon Davies.

I'm on the fence with this one. It's admirable they hold their values and all, but like you said Keino, they were ready to make a deep run this March. It sucks for his teammates.

Keino

03-03-2011, 08:43 AM

Looks like Davies was much more important to the team than expected. They got whooped last night and Fredette's 33 points had no impact. BYU just got way too one-dimensional...

Averaging 11 pts and 6 rebounds on the college level is similar to 18 & 9 on the pro-level. You just don't replace that kind of production.

On the one hand, he signed the paper and had to know about the honor code there and what it entails, but I believe he signed-up to play basketball. This to me is not at all like UVA's strict honor code which is wholly academic-based. Telling adults what they can and cannot do in their bedrooms strikes me as a bit too intrusive. But hey, that's me.

dj_stouty

03-03-2011, 08:58 AM

Averaging 11 pts and 6 rebounds on the college level is similar to 18 & 9 on the pro-level. You just don't replace that kind of production.

On the one hand, he signed the paper and had to know about the honor code there and what it entails, but I believe he signed-up to play basketball. This to me is not at all like UVA's strict honor code which is wholly academic-based. Telling adults what they can and cannot do in their bedrooms strikes me as a bit too intrusive. But hey, that's me.

Like Mike said; Davies knew "the deal" ahead of time.

Keino

03-03-2011, 09:12 AM

Like Mike said; Davies knew "the deal" ahead of time.

How would they even find out? Did they bring him into the coach's office and show him a video of himself doing to the do with his girlfriend?

dj_stouty

03-03-2011, 09:38 AM

How would they even find out? Did they bring him into the coach's office and show him a video of himself doing to the do with his girlfriend?

I was wondering that myself. Either the girl came clean to the school, or someone (Dorm RA?) walked in on them.

Farmer Ted

03-03-2011, 10:45 AM

How would they even find out? Did they bring him into the coach's office and show him a video of himself doing to the do with his girlfriend?

He probably told someone he got laid, and that was that. Or, he felt guilty and turned himself in. Guilt does weird things to people when they have it beat into them since they could walk.

Keino

03-03-2011, 11:05 AM

He probably told someone he got laid, and that was that. Or, he felt guilty and turned himself in. Guilt does weird things to people when they have it beat into them since they could walk.

I don't know enough about dude to know whether it was drilled into him to the extent that he would be overcome with guilt for daring to get his monkey wet.

WOW FT. It appears you are correct and the kid volunteered the info himself.

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/03/AR2011030302507.html)

nicefellow31

03-03-2011, 02:15 PM

Strange place that BYU. It amazes me that Jim McMahon went to school there for 4 years. I'd be willing to bet he violated that honor code a bunch of times. Last year they kicked off star RB Harvey Unga off the team for a honors violation. He just happened to be the school's all time leading rusher. They also kicked his girlfriend, Keilani Moeaki, who happened to be pregnant, off of their basketball team. Compare that situation to Kansas. At KU basketball players got suspended for apparently having an "one on one (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/phoggy-jayhawks-suspended-for-one-on-one-29524)" session in Allen Fieldhouse. ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!

dj_stouty

03-03-2011, 02:44 PM

I don't know enough about dude to know whether it was drilled into him to the extent that he would be overcome with guilt for daring to get his monkey wet.

WOW FT. It appears you are correct and the kid volunteered the info himself.

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/03/AR2011030302507.html)

I always tell my girls that the punishment is always lessened when you fess up. It would have been nice if the school took that into consideration. Maybe suspend him for rest of regular season, but let him play in postseason?

But then again, this is BYU we are talking about.

Keino

03-07-2011, 07:53 AM

I always tell my girls that the punishment is always lessened when you fess up. It would have been nice if the school took that into consideration. Maybe suspend him for rest of regular season, but let him play in postseason?

But then again, this is BYU we are talking about.

VCU has given themselves a real shot. I think GMU is in regardless, so it will be interesting.

nicefellow31

03-07-2011, 08:33 AM

Hey Smoot any substantial rumors about the Pack's next coach?

Here's some info on some canidates for your next coach. If I was a NC State fan, Mike Brey would be my choice.

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/03/06/if-sidney-lowe-gets-fired-whos-getting-the-nc-state-coaching-job/?sources=topbuttons

CarMike

03-07-2011, 09:53 AM

I don't see Mike Brey leaving ND for NCeST. He has them on the rise. Why in the world would he want to leave SouthBend for Raleigh?

The wolpfack would be better off finding a HC at a lower division school. It's a lot to ask a vet coach to come in and compete with RW and MK just down the road. That's why they had to settle for Lowe to begin with.

Here's some info on some canidates for your next coach. If I was a NC State fan, Mike Brey would be my choice.

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/03/06/if-sidney-lowe-gets-fired-whos-getting-the-nc-state-coaching-job/?sources=topbuttons

dj_stouty

03-07-2011, 10:26 AM

VCU has given themselves a real shot. I think GMU is in regardless, so it will be interesting.

I didn't see that upset of GMU coming. They are now peaking at the right time by getting revenge wins against Drexel and Mason. ODU and VCU now fight it out for the CAA title and a trip to the Big Dance tonight in Richmond. I'm hoping to attend...

GMU was ranked #25 and their RPI (prior to their loss to VCU) was top 30. They are a lock for an at-large bid.

ODU is 12-1 since their loss to VCU in January...and that loss was to Mason. You have to wonder if their 26 wins and 24 rpi heading into tonight's game will be enough for them to also get an at-large bid if they lose tonight.

It would be great for the CAA to get 3 teams in the Dance...

dj_stouty

03-07-2011, 10:31 AM

I don't see Mike Brey leaving ND for NCeST. He has them on the rise. Why in the world would he want to leave SouthBend for Raleigh?

Yeah - it only took Brey 10 years to get the on the rise. lol. Kidding aside - Brey is a good guy. He coached at UD when I was there. He would be great at any school...although I agree with you that NCSU isn't attractive enough for him to leave South Bend. I could see him eventually leaving for an ACC school...just not Wolfpack.

Keino

03-07-2011, 10:32 AM

I didn't see that upset of GMU coming. They are now peaking at the right time by getting revenge wins against Drexel and Mason. ODU and VCU now fight it out for the CAA title and a trip to the Big Dance tonight in Richmond. I'm hoping to attend...

GMU was ranked #25 and their RPI (prior to their loss to VCU) was top 30. They are a lock for an at-large bid.

ODU is 12-1 since their loss to VCU in January...and that loss was to Mason. You have to wonder if their 26 wins and 24 rpi heading into tonight's game will be enough for them to also get an at-large bid if they lose tonight.

It would be great for the CAA to get 3 teams in the Dance...

I think if VCU wins all 3 teams have to make it. You cannot deny teams ranked in the Top 40 just because they are from a mid-major conference. If they had RPIs in the 60s or 70s then I could see excluding one or both of them. I think ODU and GMU have done enough to make the dance. I think GMU's loss messed up their seeding a bit, but that's it.

Keino

03-07-2011, 10:34 AM

I don't see Mike Brey leaving ND for NCeST. He has them on the rise. Why in the world would he want to leave SouthBend for Raleigh?

The wolpfack would be better off finding a HC at a lower division school. It's a lot to ask a vet coach to come in and compete with RW and MK just down the road. That's why they had to settle for Lowe to begin with.

Yea, there is no chance of that happening. Right now he attracts players because the Big East is regarded as hands-down the best conference in America. This is why he landed kids like Ben Hansborough.

dj_stouty

03-07-2011, 10:37 AM

I think if VCU wins all 3 teams have to make it. You cannot deny teams ranked in the Top 40 just because they are from a mid-major conference. If they had RPIs in the 60s or 70s then I could see excluding one or both of them. I think ODU and GMU have done enough to make the dance. I think GMU's loss messed up their seeding a bit, but that's it.

You know all of the bubble teams were pissed to learn of Mason's loss.

Here is hoping for a VCU win tonight so all three Virginia schools can make an appearance. Its a shame the CAA needs to be the conference that sends VA schools when the ACC (once again) sends zero. (Assuming Tech doesn't win out the ACC...lol)

nicefellow31

03-07-2011, 10:51 AM

I don't see Mike Brey leaving ND for NCeST. He has them on the rise. Why in the world would he want to leave SouthBend for Raleigh?

The wolpfack would be better off finding a HC at a lower division school. It's a lot to ask a vet coach to come in and compete with RW and MK just down the road. That's why they had to settle for Lowe to begin with.

According to the article he was a candidate in 06, he's got 6 senior players on his ND team with a less than stellar class coming in, Lowe has recruited well and has a talented team, and NC State can give him a big payday.

CarMike

03-07-2011, 10:57 AM

But you have to remember their fan base. It's the same fan base that ran out Sendek because he couldn't beat UNC and Duke. Never mind he took the wolpfack to 5 straight NCAA tournaments. To State, all that matters is if they can beat their two neighbors. If not, audios coach.

I still don't see any vet coach wanting to coach there. Everything is stacked against you from the start. JMO :)

According to the article he was a candidate in 06, he's got 6 senior players on his ND team with a less than stellar class coming in, Lowe has recruited well and has a talented team, and NC State can give him a big payday.

nicefellow31

03-07-2011, 11:03 AM

But you have to remember their fan base. It's the same fan base that ran out Sendek because he couldn't beat UNC and Duke. Never mind he took the wolpfack to 5 straight NCAA tournaments. To State, all that matters is if they can beat their two neighbors. If not, audios coach.

I still don't see any vet coach wanting to coach there. Everything is stacked against you from the start. JMO :)

True, but how much longer will Roy and Coach K be coaching. Williams will turn 61 this year and Coach K is just turned 64. They both have won a lot and I imagine they can have nice paying TV jobs if they want them. IMO I think that Coach K is going to hang it up after he passes Bobby Knight.

CarMike

03-07-2011, 11:09 AM

That's the $64,000 dollar question. No one really knows. I don't see RW calling it quits as early Smith did. OMT you have to remember is this. Those two schools are bigger than their HCs. UNC and Duke will always attract top talent. And there's a lot of coaches that would interested in both jobs when they open.

True, but how much longer will Roy and Coach K be coaching. Williams will turn 61 this year and Coach K is just turned 64. They both have won a lot and I imagine they can have nice paying TV jobs if they want them. IMO I think that Coach K is going to hang it up after he passes Bobby Knight.

nicefellow31

03-07-2011, 11:17 AM

That's the $64,000 dollar question. No one really knows. I don't see RW calling it quits as early Smith did. OMT you have to remember is this. Those two schools are bigger than their HCs. UNC and Duke will always attract top talent. And there's a lot of coaches that would interested in both jobs when they open.

IDK. Many said the same thing about post Wooden UCLA, post Knight Indiana, and Kentucky. They all have history and attract top talent, yet they have struggled at times. Indiana is a shell of itself. I also remember when Duke was awful in the early 80's (Chip Englland era) and I know you remember fondly, Matt Daugherty handling the historic UNC program.

CarMike

03-07-2011, 11:18 AM

IDK. Many said the same thing about post Wooden UCLA, post Knight Indiana, and Kentucky. They all have history and attract top talent, yet they have struggled at times. Indiana is a shell of itself. I also remember when Duke was awful in the early 80's (Chip Englland era) and I know you remember fondly, Matt Daugherty handling the historic UNC program.

The recruiting class that won our 2005 championship? Those were Matts recruits.

OMT, all of those schools you just stated still draw top talent. The coaching has been awful though.

nicefellow31

03-07-2011, 11:26 AM

CarMike

03-07-2011, 12:31 PM

That's my point. Duke and UNC can easily get the wrong coach (like Matt) and hello mediocrity. We'll see

But with UNC, they don't give it 5 years. Once they realize their mistake, they act on it. Unlike State.

cal_junior

03-07-2011, 01:44 PM

nicefellow31

03-07-2011, 02:57 PM

A GW prof gets removed in the 2H of Saturday's game by a member of the school's athletic department . . . after being honored with his family at halftime for his donations to the school's athletic department.

LINK (http://blogs.gwhatchet.com/courtside/2011/03/05/professor-donor-tossed-from-basketball-game/)

Maybe the official should go into Prof. Kasmir's classroom and heckle him. You know like, "your the worst accounting professor, I've ever seen!"

cal_junior

03-07-2011, 03:39 PM

Maybe the official should go into Prof. Kasmir's classroom and heckle him. You know like, "your the worst accounting professor, I've ever seen!"

If there were no obscenities or personal/family comments there is no reason a paying customer should be tossed for that line.

"You're the worst I've ever seen" should be laughed off by any competent official.

SkinsKY

03-07-2011, 08:19 PM

The recruiting class that won our 2005 championship? Those were Matts recruits.

OMT, all of those schools you just stated still draw top talent. The coaching has been awful though.

That is the difference. We had a rough patch, UNC did. UCLA still is, but we at least get looks from kids because of the school. NC State is probably a lot like UT in basketball. Wants to punch above its weight, but outside of a year here and there, they're largely a non-factor. When UK or UNC are down, it's like we go on a two-three year bender.

State should find a good up and comer and try to build it up a little. I see little that's desirable as an established coach as it's just not a destination job.

CarMike

03-08-2011, 07:23 AM

Here's some info on some canidates for your next coach. If I was a NC State fan, Mike Brey would be my choice.

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/03/06/if-sidney-lowe-gets-fired-whos-getting-the-nc-state-coaching-job/?sources=topbuttons
And here you go. Read that thread and tell me what coach wants to go there to see their career come to an end. Some of their fans want to leave the ACC due to the conspiracy theory that all the ACC cares about is UNC and Duke.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=178&f=2515&t=7279563

That is the difference. We had a rough patch, UNC did. UCLA still is, but we at least get looks from kids because of the school. NC State is probably a lot like UT in basketball. Wants to punch above its weight, but outside of a year here and there, they're largely a non-factor. When UK or UNC are down, it's like we go on a two-three year bender.

State should find a good up and comer and try to build it up a little. I see little that's desirable as an established coach as it's just not a destination job.

+1

dj_stouty

03-08-2011, 07:46 AM

nicefellow31

03-08-2011, 07:48 AM

And here you go. Read that thread and tell me what coach wants to go there to see their career come to an end. Some of their fans want to leave the ACC due to the conspiracy theory that all the ACC cares about is UNC and Duke.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=178&f=2515&t=7279563

+1

Put enough money on the table and they will come. NC State has a rich tradition in basketball (Everrett Case, Norm Sloan, Jim Valvano). Do you think they can't recapture that? What is holding them back? BTW, i find it ironic that Wolfpackers are talking about the ACC only caring about UNC and Duke. For years, all of the schools outside of Carolina said that all the ACC cared about the Tobacco Row. LOL.

Edit. I found this from Andy Katz's blog this morning:
NC State coach Sidney Lowe had a brutal schedule in the ACC (Duke and Carolina twice), visited Wisconsin and Syracuse, played Georgetown and Arizona, dealt with an early injury to his best player, Tracy Smith, and had a recruiting class that wasn't as consistent as advertised. But he's no fool. He's been in the NBA. He knows that the odds to save his job without an NCAA tournament appearance are against him at this juncture. If Lowe is out, a job that most in the coaching business consider one of the best will be on the open market.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy

CarMike

03-08-2011, 08:03 AM

They have no recent history. Both of their NCAA 'ships are/were tainted. And the last one coming in '83.

In 2006 when they hired Lowe, he was their 6th or 7th choice.

The whole point of me getting into this discussion was that no vet coach wants that job. [as evident in '06] Not at least till RW and MK are long gone. The ONLY way they'll become relevant again is to get lucky and find a up and comer type of HC. Which is something that their fan base wants no part of.

Put enough money on the table and they will come. NC State has a rich tradition in basketball (Everrett Case, Norm Sloan, Jim Valvano). Do you think they can't recapture that? What is holding them back? BTW, i find it ironic that Wolfpackers are talking about the ACC only caring about UNC and Duke. For years, all of the schools outside of Carolina said that all the ACC cared about the Tobacco Row. LOL.

CarMike

03-08-2011, 08:05 AM

a job that most in the coaching business consider one of the best will be on the open market.

And most people would laugh out loud at that statement. If everyone thought it was such a great job, why didn't any want it back in '06?

Keino

03-08-2011, 09:01 AM

Tough loss for VCU. They were down 18...and trimmed it down to only 1 with a few minutes to spare. They simply couldn't take the lead. Watch out for ODU in the tourny. If they can keep their heads in the game, they will be tough to play against.

So, it looks like ODU and GMU will represent the CAA. Glad to see two teams...but I really wanted three. Maybe next year...

At the end of the day, ODU was just too big for VCU. In the last 10 minutes of the game there were far too many offensive rebounds or uncontested looks from the ODU bigs.

Keino

03-08-2011, 09:05 AM

They have no recent history. Both of their NCAA 'ships are/were tainted. And the last one coming in '83.

In 2006 when they hired Lowe, he was their 6th or 7th choice.

The whole point of me getting into this discussion was that no vet coach wants that job. [as evident in '06] Not at least till RW and MK are long gone. The ONLY way they'll become relevant again is to get lucky and find a up and comer type of HC. Which is something that their fan base wants no part of.

How is their 83 Championship tainted? They beat a very talented Phi Slamma Jamma U of Houston team that featured Clyde Drexler and Hakeem Olajuwon. The Final play wasn't at all controversial.

dj_stouty

03-08-2011, 09:14 AM

At the end of the day, ODU was just too big for VCU. In the last 10 minutes of the game there were far too many offensive rebounds or uncontested looks from the ODU bigs.

No kidding. ODU is a top 10 rebounding team and they rarely give teams 2nd chances on offensive possession. That will be a huge asset in the tourney.

Any idea of what seed ODU and GMU will get? ODU and VCU got 11 seeds the past two years with their auto-bids, but I don't recall either one having an rpi in the top 30 like both ODU and GMU currently have...

CarMike

03-08-2011, 09:37 AM

How is their 83 Championship tainted? They beat a very talented Phi Slamma Jamma U of Houston team that featured Clyde Drexler and Hakeem Olajuwon. The Final play wasn't at all controversial.

I'll have to do some checking, but I believe a couple of years later there was a rumor going around that Jimmy V paid a recruit on that team. I think it was Chris Washburn. It was never proved as far as I know so maybe that wasn't "tainted". I'll be sure to check it out when I get the time later today.

Keino

03-08-2011, 10:13 AM

nicefellow31

03-08-2011, 10:57 AM

I'll have to do some checking, but I believe a couple of years later there was a rumor going around that Jimmy V paid a recruit on that team. I think it was Chris Washburn. It was never proved as far as I know so maybe that wasn't "tainted". I'll be sure to check it out when I get the time later today.

Washburn wasn't on that team and the scandal didn't involve payments but the fact that Washburn was admitted into State in the fall of 84 with a 470 SAT score. :eek: There were no major rule infractions but Valvano and his staff did a poor job of monitoring academic progress. This all came out in a book, Personal Fouls, in 1990. Six separate entities investigated Valvano and the NC State basketball program including the NC State Faculty Senate, the North Carolina Attorney General, the University of North Carolina Board of Governors, the NC State Board of Trustees, and the NCAA. None of them found any recruiting or financial improprieties. It did discover that players sold shoes and tickets illegaly so that is what got them probation.

Like I said before, given the right coach (& that's saying a lot) NC State can be succesful. I'm not sold on the long term success of Duke after Coach K leaves so the Wolfpacks next hire will be crucial for them.

cal_junior

03-08-2011, 11:59 AM

Video of the GW prof getting tossed. Still don't think it was justified, whether the guy was a FOP or not:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2011/03/video_of_gw_professor_getting.html?wprss=dcsportsb og

Patrick

03-10-2011, 09:04 AM

I don't care what the general feeling is - Those refs at the Rutgers/St Johns game should be FIRED! At minimum, not allow to officiate another game this year! AND Mike Rice, some may call you a class act for giving them a pass for blowing the call ...... I think you are an IDIOT!

CarMike

03-10-2011, 09:05 AM

+ billionz!

I don't care what the general feeling is - Those refs at the Rutgers/St Johns game should be FIRED! At minimum, not allow to officiate another game this year! AND Mike Rice, some may call you a class act for giving them a pass for blowing the call ...... I think you are an IDIOT!

BRAVEONAWARPATH

03-14-2011, 10:51 AM

http://www.therecruitscoop.com/jabri...-to-georgetown

Jabril Trawick Commits to Georgetown

Jabril Trawick, a 6-foot-5 shooting guard from Abington Friends High School in Pennsylvania, has seen his stock rise over the last year. Trawick was a virtual unknown a few years ago. Now he is one of the top seniors in the Philadelphia area.

This weekend, the guard went on an official visit to Georgetown. He came out a Hoya. “I just committed to Georgetown,” Trawick said by text. Georgetown coach John Thompson III and staff were very pleased with what they saw this summer out of Jabril. They offered during the July live period.

“The coaching staff and the group of players that I will be playing with is a big reason why I chose Georgetown,” Trawick stated. “The time we will get on television is awesome and I really like the Verizon Center. There are a lot of connections there, it’s like a pipeline.” Jabril will also see some significant minutes early on. “(Current Hoyas) Austin and Chris are leaving and I’m going to fill in.” He also commented on the location, “It’s a good location; it’s not to far from home.”
As the Philly native is the first commitment for the class of 2011, Georgetown looks to head in the right direction with this commitment. During his official visit, Trawick got to see and experience the Georgetown lifestyle. “I got to play pickup with former Hoya, Roy Hibbert,” he stated. “It was a good time.”

Jabril was down to the Big East school and Florida State. This time, the Hoya’s came up big and received a commitment from a guard who has NBA potential.

Patrick

03-14-2011, 11:55 AM

Maryland's season end by getting snub by the NIT ........ doesn't get much worse than that. Gary - you've got some REAL damage control to address!

cal_junior

03-14-2011, 12:45 PM

Maryland's season end by getting snub by the NIT ........ doesn't get much worse than that. Gary - you've got some REAL damage control to address!

The recruiting has to get better.

Just take a look at what Thad Matta has been able to to here at Ohio State - a football school. No reason Gary can't utilize the AAU circuit and run a clean program.

Keino

03-14-2011, 01:05 PM

The recruiting has to get better.

Just take a look at what Thad Matta has been able to to here at Ohio State - a football school. No reason Gary can't utilize the AAU circuit and run a clean program.

They have a pretty decent class coming in for 2011-2012, and I hope that their young Gs take huge steps forward from their Frosh campaigns...

cal_junior

03-14-2011, 01:10 PM

They have a pretty decent class coming in for 2011-2012, and I hope that their young Gs take huge steps forward from their Frosh campaigns...

I just don't think Gary is capable of the recruiting consistency required to keep Maryland in the top-20.

I love GW personally and I think he's still one of the sport's best teachers of the game, but it doesn't make a difference if he can't bring in at least a few top-50 guys every single year.

smoot

03-14-2011, 04:04 PM

I just don't think Gary is capable of the recruiting consistency required to keep Maryland in the top-20.

I love GW personally and I think he's still one of the sport's best teachers of the game, but it doesn't make a difference if he can't bring in at least a few top-50 guys every single year.
He's not. Hopefully Bino Ranson and Rob Ehsan are...

cal_junior

03-14-2011, 06:21 PM

He's not. Hopefully Bino Ranson and Rob Ehsan are...

Hopefully Bino helps.

Just my opinion, but when the HC doesn't commit to the process it almost never works. Maryland needs at least one Blue Chipper now and then, and those guys are recruited by head coaches. If Rob or Bino are competing with Bill Self and Jamie Dixon for the affections of a player the Terps have no chance.

NCskinsfanatic

03-14-2011, 06:25 PM

He's not. Hopefully Bino Ranson and Rob Ehsan are...

So who you think we land Smoot...Miller, Barnes or a mid major guy?

smoot

03-16-2011, 04:22 PM

BRAVEONAWARPATH

03-16-2011, 11:11 PM

Rumor beginning to circulate that Wally Judge has decided on Maryland and will be granted a hardship waiver from Frank Martin/KSU so he can play next year. Could be GIGANTIC for MD, could be nothing, but at a minimum it will open DCA back up to Gary and crew.

Also, Justin Anderson (the highest profile player MD has pursued for a lengthy period of time since Mike Jones) will be announcing his decision between UVA, UNC (I have heard a rumor that he may not have a comittable offer from Roy, CarMike?), and MD tomorrow.
Looks like he's going to MD.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/recruiting-insider/post/montrose-christian-standout-junior-forward-justin-anderson-expected-to-commit-to-maryland-on-thursday/2011/03/16/ABddPih_blog.html

Montrose Christian standout junior forward Justin Anderson expected to commit to Maryland on Thursday

Justin Anderson , the Montrose Christian junior forward best known for his incredible athletic ability will announce his college choice Thursday and is expected to commit to play for Maryland, according to sources familiar with the situation.

Anderson, who is 6 feet 7, has been pursued by several of the nation’s top programs. Virginia and North Carolina are believed to be among the other schools that he strongly considered.

Anderson has worked hard to improve his basketball skills, wanting to be known as more than just a spectacular leaper or dunker. He has averaged a career-high 14 points this season for the top-ranked Mustangs, helping the team go 22-1 and finish atop The Post’s boys’ basketball rankings.