What are our needs post Mcnabb

[CNYSkinFan]

Ok I understand alot of people say we have alot of needs but what are they really now that McNabb is here,

Offense:

QB: Set with Mcnabb, Grossman as backup and some UFA as 3rd string qb (Campbell will be traded)
RB: Set with Portis, Johnson, Parker. I would like a young burner but most likely we will be getting that dude next year.
FB: Need one, can get one late in the draft (or Johnson could be a surprise fit here like Stephen Davis did for Allen)
WR: Set with Moss, Kelly, Thomas. Don't really need another person here in this threee man rotation. Add in marko Mitchell for Depth and I am fine with this position.
TE: Set with Cooley and Davis, a 3rd string blocking TE needs to be identified in Training Camp
OT: Biggest need. We really need two starters here. Heyer is crap I don't care what Anyone says. Using our 1st and 4th on OTs is essential
OG: Dockery and Williams are serviceable and can be one year starters until next year. Not excited by this pairing but not the worst thing in the world either.
C: Rabach was horrible the last two years, but that in my opinion is partially due to the slabs lined up next to him. Kenadll and a declinign thomas provided no consistency inside the line. Perhaps a year to see what he can do is not the worst thing.

Defense:

DL: Assuming Haynesworth is set at one of the DE spots, then Daniels can do the other DE spot. Maybe Carter can be traded for a pick to get A NT or younger DE then Daniels. Lorenzo Alexander could be a surprise NT.

LB: Fletcher and Blades on the inside and Mcintosh on the outside with Orakpo as a rush LBer is again not great, but not too bad either.

CB: The Redskins seem set on Rogers and Hall starting. I am not sold on barnes or Tryon at nickles so this is somewhat of a need as well.

SS: Assuming we move Landry back to SS I am happy with him doughty/Horton backing Landry up.

FS: Biggest need on Defense by far. Kareem Moore is a backup only. We need a starter and need to look to FA to get a best fit until we draft next year.

So to sume it up our critical needs are:

OT: Can be solved with our first two picks in the draft.
FB: UfA or late round position
DL: Nose tackle can either be found late or perhaps by tradign Carter
CB: A nickle corner needs to be identified, not sure we can address this in the draft.
FS: This is where i am stumped, perhaps can be addressed if we trade campbell for another pick or player...or perhaps can be addressed with a trade down.

While we still have needs for backups on the OL, I don't think we are desperate now knowing that QB is set.

[skins4life24]

Ok I understand alot of people say we have alot of needs but what are they really now that McNabb is here,

Offense:

QB: Set with Mcnabb, Grossman as backup and some UFA as 3rd string qb (Campbell will be traded)
RB: Set with Portis, Johnson, Parker. I would like a young burner but most likely we will be getting that dude next year.
FB: Need one, can get one late in the draft (or Johnson could be a surprise fit here like Stephen Davis did for Allen)
WR: Set with Moss, Kelly, Thomas. Don't really need another person here in this threee man rotation. Add in marko Mitchell for Depth and I am fine with this position.
TE: Set with Cooley and Davis, a 3rd string blocking TE needs to be identified in Training Camp
OT: Biggest need. We really need two starters here. Heyer is crap I don't care what Anyone says. Using our 1st and 4th on OTs is essential
OG: Dockery and Williams are serviceable and can be one year starters until next year. Not excited by this pairing but not the worst thing in the world either.
C: Rabach was horrible the last two years, but that in my opinion is partially due to the slabs lined up next to him. Kenadll and a declinign thomas provided no consistency inside the line. Perhaps a year to see what he can do is not the worst thing.

Defense:

DL: Assuming Haynesworth is set at one of the DE spots, then Daniels can do the other DE spot. Maybe Carter can be traded for a pick to get A NT or younger DE then Daniels. Lorenzo Alexander could be a surprise NT.

LB: Fletcher and Blades on the inside and Mcintosh on the outside with Orakpo as a rush LBer is again not great, but not too bad either.

CB: The Redskins seem set on Rogers and Hall starting. I am not sold on barnes or Tryon at nickles so this is somewhat of a need as well.

SS: Assuming we move Landry back to SS I am happy with him doughty/Horton backing Landry up.

FS: Biggest need on Defense by far. Kareem Moore is a backup only. We need a starter and need to look to FA to get a best fit until we draft next year.

So to sume it up our critical needs are:

OT: Can be solved with our first two picks in the draft.
FB: UfA or late round position
DL: Nose tackle can either be found late or perhaps by tradign Carter
CB: A nickle corner needs to be identified, not sure we can address this in the draft.
FS: This is where i am stumped, perhaps can be addressed if we trade campbell for another pick or player...or perhaps can be addressed with a trade down.

While we still have needs for backups on the OL, I don't think we are desperate now knowing that QB is set.

Buchanon?

[IH Brave]

Ok I understand alot of people say we have alot of needs but what are they really now that McNabb is here,

Offense:

QB: Set with Mcnabb, Grossman as backup and some UFA as 3rd string qb (Campbell will be traded)
RB: Set with Portis, Johnson, Parker. I would like a young burner but most likely we will be getting that dude next year.
FB: Need one, can get one late in the draft (or Johnson could be a surprise fit here like Stephen Davis did for Allen)
WR: Set with Moss, Kelly, Thomas. Don't really need another person here in this threee man rotation. Add in marko Mitchell for Depth and I am fine with this position.
TE: Set with Cooley and Davis, a 3rd string blocking TE needs to be identified in Training Camp
OT: Biggest need. We really need two starters here. Heyer is crap I don't care what Anyone says. Using our 1st and 4th on OTs is essential
OG: Dockery and Williams are serviceable and can be one year starters until next year. Not excited by this pairing but not the worst thing in the world either.
C: Rabach was horrible the last two years, but that in my opinion is partially due to the slabs lined up next to him. Kenadll and a declinign thomas provided no consistency inside the line. Perhaps a year to see what he can do is not the worst thing.

Defense:

DL: Assuming Haynesworth is set at one of the DE spots, then Daniels can do the other DE spot. Maybe Carter can be traded for a pick to get A NT or younger DE then Daniels. Lorenzo Alexander could be a surprise NT.

LB: Fletcher and Blades on the inside and Mcintosh on the outside with Orakpo as a rush LBer is again not great, but not too bad either.

CB: The Redskins seem set on Rogers and Hall starting. I am not sold on barnes or Tryon at nickles so this is somewhat of a need as well.

SS: Assuming we move Landry back to SS I am happy with him doughty/Horton backing Landry up.

FS: Biggest need on Defense by far. Kareem Moore is a backup only. We need a starter and need to look to FA to get a best fit until we draft next year.

So to sume it up our critical needs are:

OT: Can be solved with our first two picks in the draft.
FB: UfA or late round position
DL: Nose tackle can either be found late or perhaps by tradign Carter
CB: A nickle corner needs to be identified, not sure we can address this in the draft.
FS: This is where i am stumped, perhaps can be addressed if we trade campbell for another pick or player...or perhaps can be addressed with a trade down.

While we still have needs for backups on the OL, I don't think we are desperate now knowing that QB is set.

What about Philip Buchanon? Do you think he could fill the nickle position? I agree with the rest. Free safety is definitely a mystery to me. Who's out there that can be had?

[CNYSkinFan]

I forgot about Buchanon...you guys are right...Ok one more critical need off the board.

[BurgundyNGold]

Draft picks.

[KMDeMuth]

from FA thread:

OL Artis Hicks
DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu - 2 years/$7 million
TE Sean Ryan

Don't those guys fit some of those holes, even if just short term?

[redskin_rich]

A different philosophy.

[fent]

A different philosophy.

Some Prozac...

[redskin_rich]

Some Prozac...

Is that what's in the kool aid?

[hail2skins]

Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
A Strong Safey
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Nose Tackle - A true one
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[fent]

Is that what's in the kool aid?

In the kool-aid, in the water, who cares...it's what about half this board needs to take.

[FanFromArizona]

Ok I understand alot of people say we have alot of needs but what are they really now that McNabb is here,

Offense:

QB: Set with Mcnabb, Grossman as backup and some UFA as 3rd string qb (Campbell will be traded)
I'm betting we get a 4th for Campbell.


RB: Set with Portis, Johnson, Parker. I would like a young burner but most likely we will be getting that dude next year.
For some reason I'm feeling one of 2 things:
a) that Westbrook is headed our way, we drop Parker
b) we trade CP for a draft pick


FB: Need one, can get one late in the draft (or Johnson could be a surprise fit here like Stephen Davis did for Allen)

I'm thinking we're going to use TheCaveMan for running style plays and have both Fred Davis AND Cooley on the field for pass style plays, or possibly use a Westbrook/another RB if Westbrook is brought in.


WR: Set with Moss, Kelly, Thomas. Don't really need another person here in this threee man rotation. Add in marko Mitchell for Depth and I am fine with this position.
Agreed.

TE: Set with Cooley and Davis, a 3rd string blocking TE needs to be identified in Training Camp
Sean Ryan for blocking.

OT: Biggest need. We really need two starters here. Heyer is crap I don't care what Anyone says. Using our 1st and 4th on OTs is essential
Draft picks will be used for this, 1st rounder will be for LT, and RT will come from 3rd [if CP is traded] or 4th round [our natural pick]; Heyer as depth.

OG: Dockery and Williams are serviceable and can be one year starters until next year. Not excited by this pairing but not the worst thing in the world either.
I'm thinking you need to throw Hicks into the realm of possibilities here.

C: Rabach was horrible the last two years, but that in my opinion is partially due to the slabs lined up next to him. Kenadll and a declinign thomas provided no consistency inside the line. Perhaps a year to see what he can do is not the worst thing.
I'm seeing this being a position of competition in TC between him, Edwin Williams, and the first free agent signing Shanny made.


Defense:

DL: Assuming Haynesworth is set at one of the DE spots, then Daniels can do the other DE spot. Maybe Carter can be traded for a pick to get A NT or younger DE then Daniels. Lorenzo Alexander could be a surprise NT.

I'm seeing a Carter, Kemoeatu, Haynesworth line. Depth coming from Daniels, Golston,Monty, and Alexander.


LB: Fletcher and Blades on the inside and Mcintosh on the outside with Orakpo as a rush LBer is again not great, but not too bad either.
I am NOT seeing Blades on the inside. He's depth and a Specials Teamer.


CB: The Redskins seem set on Rogers and Hall starting. I am not sold on barnes or Tryon at nickles so this is somewhat of a need as well.
They're depth.


SS: Assuming we move Landry back to SS I am happy with him doughty/Horton backing Landry up.
My only fear is going with Berry in the 4th spot. Lord help us.


FS: Biggest need on Defense by far. Kareem Moore is a backup only. We need a starter and need to look to FA to get a best fit until we draft next year.

I actually like how well Horton played, he needs to be on the field. In fact, I am wondering (I read somewhere-link unavailable) that he was working with the LB corp, that would be interesting having him as an ILB.

[CNYSkinFan]

To those who are decrying this philosophy it is not like we are over spending on a ton of free agents. This is the only move we made. LOok at it this way, the choice was move up to get Bradford and lose even more picks on a rookie Qb or take the sure thing in mCNabb, who will out perform any rookie for the next 3-5 years. And we still have #4 to take the next Chris Samuels.

I will eat my words if we fail to sign McNabb for more then this year, other then that we are a better football team today both in potential and actual talent then we were before yesterday.

[FanFromArizona]

Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
A Strong Safey
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Nose Tackle - A true one
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
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So, are we trading away our first rounder for the entire 7th round? :tongue:

[IndianBaller27]

Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
A Strong Safey
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Nose Tackle - A true one
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
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+1

The absolute focus needs to be offensive linemen right now. Sign as many as possible.

I also agree with the kool-aid statement though. McNabb can and probably will win a couple games for us that Campbell couldn't, but this move doesn't make us a contender by any means.

[shally]

Offensive Tackles
Free Safety
Reserve Linebacker

definitely manageable now

[Nomad]

Quarterback.

[fent]

To those who are decrying this philosophy it is not like we are over spending on a ton of free agents. This is the only move we made. LOok at it this way, the choice was move up to get Bradford and lose even more picks on a rookie Qb or take the sure thing in mCNabb, who will out perform any rookie for the next 3-5 years. And we still have #4 to take the next Chris Samuels.

I will eat my words if we fail to sign McNabb for more then this year, other then that we are a better football team today both in potential and actual talent then we were before yesterday.

Ding ding ding ding ding!!! There's no way we don't sign McNabb to an extension that keeps him here for another 4-5 years and in the meantime, we'll draft a QB to sit behind him and learn. We can all but guarantee we're coming out of this draft with Okung, Bulaga, or Williams at LT and if we play our cards right, we'll have another pick in the top 3 rounds to select another OL. If we can resign Levi to pair with the new top 10 tackle then our line is solid enough to compete. Throw in next year's draft where we'll have 6 picks at least and a deep free agency pool given the number of players with RFA status this year and the potential lack of a franchis tag and we'll be able to plug in some pieces. We've seen the success of guys like Warner, Favre, Elway, etc. late into their careers. Trading for a 33 year old QB isn't the "final piece" in this puzzle. It's putting one of the key pieces for the next 5 years into position.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

IMO, the Skins biggest needs are:
1) OT - both LT & RT
2) FS - need a true free safety to allow Landry to play SS (or trade him).
3) NT - Kemoeatu is coming off an injury and I'm not sure AH wants to play NT.
4) ILB - need someone to play along side Fletcher and take over when he retires.

[CarMike]

We need draft picks.

See ya Davis/Cooley

See ya Andre Carter

See ya Jason Campbell

See ya Laron Landrey

In my dreams but it would be nice to see.

[CNYSkinFan]

We need draft picks.

See ya Davis/Cooley

See ya Andre Carter

See ya Jason Campbell

See ya Laron Landrey

In my dreams but it would be nice to see.
well I will agree on Carter and Campbell. I think the new Offense can use two pass catching TEs and I don't think there is THAT much demand for Cooley or Davis. Coley is great but a great TE is like a great PBJ, something you can make yourself and not pay for at a restaurant.

LL May be traded if the right price comes but not before we get a FS in place

[Patrick]

Simple answer to the question.
2 solid starting tackles and a young developing tackle with plenty of potential.
1 young dominating starting center (already have backups)
1 dominating inside LB with 3 young developing LB with plenty of potential.
1 sure handed speedster who can return punts and kickoffs.
1 safety who can play either position - as a starter.
An easy schedule
No major injuries
.......... NOW we are talking about an 8-8 Team ....:)

[NamVet4]

I will concur with the majority: Offensive Tackles! (Note plural!)
A defined slate for the QB position... somebody has got to be let go and/or traded!
And the admission by the FO that the Redskins are rebuilding for at least 2 years!

[Hr fan]

Offensive Tackles
Free Safety
Reserve Linebacker

definitely manageable now

+1. We aren't going to have allstars at every position, but the weak positions can not be so numerous that scheme can not compensate for them.

On OT, I still think Gaither is available and Balto needs a high choice for an impact D player to replace an aging cornerstone (#4 for FS, #8 for MLB like McClain). This would net 2 OT potentially in the first 22 selections. As for a FS, isn't Whitner available and Buf needs a QB, or is Whitner a SS? We still have 4, 5 and 7 for LB, or who might be released post draft or made available during the draft for such a choice (Akh loves the Oak LB and his tender is a 4th - maybe Al would settle for a high 5th?).

I also am mindful that practically the first player acquisition move was for OC Lichtensteiner, and clearly Shanny knows what he brings to the party.

The FO clearly isn't done. And since DM's in-season home is in Filthy only 3 teams are closeby - NYG, NYJ, or us. Where would he go? So an extension which covers 3-5 years and is front-loaded would seem to be in both parties interest. Admittedly Ariz could appeal, but they look on the downward path and didn't show interest when DM was available over the last month (a mistake IMHO but it is Bill Bidwell after all).

[MONK_in_HOF]

We need draft picks.

See ya Davis/Cooley

See ya Andre Carter

See ya Jason Campbell

See ya Laron Landrey

In my dreams but it would be nice to see.

Yup. A cure for the Skins allergy to rounds 2-4 of the draft would be nice too. I am fully expecting to see some trades prior to the draft, although I am not real optimistic on what they will yield. Don't want to see Cooley go though.

I am no fan of trading away high 2nd round picks but I don't hate the trade as I do think it makes the team better short term and it just about kills my Clausen fear. Still I am so sick of seeing picks in rounds 2-4 traded away yearly. But really I don't think there are many glaring needs on the roster outside of OL.

IMO the positional needs in order are:
1)OL (obviously, more than a few too)


2)LB (an ILB to play alongside/ eventually replace Fletcher)
3A)KR/PR
3B)FS

[Dolla Bill]

Hypothetical here. Would you trade the #4 pick to the Ravens for Gaither, their #1, and possibly their #2 or #3?

[Biggie]

Hypothetical here. Would you trade the #4 pick to the Ravens for Gaither, their #1, and possibly their #2 or #3?
They have the 25th pick, for the record.

[KMDeMuth]

With the philosophy of:
-Core is there on O and D to win
-Sign serviceable veterans cheap/short term
-Sign low risk, high reward players
-Team wasn't as bad as the record, was mostly coaching and injuries

They cut 10 players who weren't here to win and didn't resign many others. Most of these guys were kept around by Vinny and Dan, gone right away. Replacements have been cheaper proven guys so far. The others they are taking a chance on for cheap with incentives to see what they have. So I'd say the philosophy has changed quite a bit.

Our 'big off-season splash' is basically going to cost us a 2nd round pick which was likely to be used on a rookie QB. Leaving JC starting for 1 year, you know he wouldn't have signed an extension here after how he has been treated. Then what next year? (of course this requires McNabb to be here for at least 2-3 years, needing an extension) But, all the focus isn't being put on a rookie QB when Shanahan wants to win now. His ego wont let him just rebuild and lose right? So we have McNabb and all Shannys eggs aren't in 1 basket to rush along a rookie this or next year. Might still Sign a QB, but expect more of an Aaron Rodgers situation if they do.

So what do we have left for trade commodities:
-Jason Campbell - have Mcnabb
-Carlos Rogers - Buchanon and sign another serviceable vet.
-Andre Carter - Doesnt fit 3-4
-Laron Landy or Chris Horton
Possibly even:
Fred Davis or Chris Cooley (which would irritate most of us)
Clinton Portis (signed 2 others, its possible with Shanahan)
Rocky McIntosh (RFA tender, not happy with it, new system)

I am sure there are others who are aging, don't fit the mold for the 3-4 or are disgruntled/wont be here long term.

Didn't Allen say they would be making more moves after the draft? Wait and see who gets what in the draft and then try to trade those players mentioned above. They try to get serviceable veterans and picks for next year and/or trade for possible back-ups from other teams that could start here now. Such as OL help from a team like the Ravens who always have OL to spare. I don't see the FO drafting immediate starters late in the draft for O-line or anywhere else, its a crap shoot. Get enough to have a chance to win now and draft/trade to get younger over the next few years.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the above mentioned players used in combo trades (seeing as they wont sign long term here or don't fit) combined with others on the roster people aren't even talking about. An example:
-Moss and Rogers or Landry for Brandon Marshall (younger and knows system)
This is just an example, who knows if Shanahan want to deal with Marshall again.

Regardless of any of that, i am not seeing any huge long term signings or bloated contracts for past their prime players. The FO thinks it can be competitive now and not mortgage the future. They obviously don't have a high opinion on whats available in the draft and what they want to do with need positions. They hopefully trade players who wont be around for serviceable vets for a year or 2 and some draft picks for the future. If they don't see a long term solution of need at #4, hope they trade down and fill more holes now. If they decide they "need" to get Bradford to groom, they can package the #4 with some of the players mentioned above for him. They have options now.

Edit: The Redskins lost what, 7 games by 7 points or less? Averaged 9 points a game difference across all losses (mostly due to losing by 33, 17, 14 in 3 games.) Coaching alone might have won some of those games. Mcnabb over JC could have made a difference, even with the HORRIBLE O-line. As long as they aren't done with the O-line, things really might be 'that' different in 1 year. (yea, still not sold on this myself, but seems to be the FO's mindset, hope they are right)

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

START AND STAY FOCUSED ON GETTING SOME DEPTH AT OL !!
everything else is secondary to that!

[Dolla Bill]

They have the 25th pick, for the record.

I couldn't remember off the top of my head what pick they had. Then it would be our #4 for Gaither, #25 (with the possibility of adding their 2nd or 3rd rounder). I don't know if the 2nd or 3rd rounder would work, but another late pick could conceivably make it work.

[fent]

I couldn't remember off the top of my head what pick they had. Then it would be our #4 for Gaither, #25 (with the possibility of adding their 2nd or 3rd rounder). I don't know if the 2nd or 3rd rounder would work, but another late pick could conceivably make it work.

If you factor in their 1st and 2nd, you're left with a balance of 750 points to get to the 1800 points our pick is valued at. This would mean Gaither fits between the 23 and 24th picks. I think that's actually just about perfect value. It's a lot to give up, but a LT, and then 2 picks to also spend on the line would be pretty nice.

[Skins-fo-life]

I think it would be nice to get Gaither from Baltimore. The short term fix I would be open to if they cannot land Gaither would be draft Okung if he is still there and sign Flozell Adams to play RT. I know Adams gets penalties but IMO he better than what is on our roster right now, so it would still be an upgrade. It would fill a need and they could draft another tackle next year. I'm sure Adams would love to stick it to the pukes twice a year. This is just all my opinion though.

[Hr fan]

Like the Gaither trade, and if 3 was in 2011 could probably do it (takes the sting out of the DM future pick we owe Phila).

[Goskins11]

Ok I understand alot of people say we have alot of needs but what are they really now that McNabb is here,

Offense:

QB: Set with Mcnabb, Grossman as backup and some UFA as 3rd string qb (Campbell will be traded)
RB: Set with Portis, Johnson, Parker. I would like a young burner but most likely we will be getting that dude next year.
FB: Need one, can get one late in the draft (or Johnson could be a surprise fit here like Stephen Davis did for Allen)
WR: Set with Moss, Kelly, Thomas. Don't really need another person here in this threee man rotation. Add in marko Mitchell for Depth and I am fine with this position.
TE: Set with Cooley and Davis, a 3rd string blocking TE needs to be identified in Training Camp
OT: Biggest need. We really need two starters here. Heyer is crap I don't care what Anyone says. Using our 1st and 4th on OTs is essential
OG: Dockery and Williams are serviceable and can be one year starters until next year. Not excited by this pairing but not the worst thing in the world either.
C: Rabach was horrible the last two years, but that in my opinion is partially due to the slabs lined up next to him. Kenadll and a declinign thomas provided no consistency inside the line. Perhaps a year to see what he can do is not the worst thing.

Defense:

DL: Assuming Haynesworth is set at one of the DE spots, then Daniels can do the other DE spot. Maybe Carter can be traded for a pick to get A NT or younger DE then Daniels. Lorenzo Alexander could be a surprise NT.

LB: Fletcher and Blades on the inside and Mcintosh on the outside with Orakpo as a rush LBer is again not great, but not too bad either.

CB: The Redskins seem set on Rogers and Hall starting. I am not sold on barnes or Tryon at nickles so this is somewhat of a need as well.

SS: Assuming we move Landry back to SS I am happy with him doughty/Horton backing Landry up.

FS: Biggest need on Defense by far. Kareem Moore is a backup only. We need a starter and need to look to FA to get a best fit until we draft next year.

So to sume it up our critical needs are:

OT: Can be solved with our first two picks in the draft.
FB: UfA or late round position
DL: Nose tackle can either be found late or perhaps by tradign Carter
CB: A nickle corner needs to be identified, not sure we can address this in the draft.FS: This is where i am stumped, perhaps can be addressed if we trade campbell for another pick or player...or perhaps can be addressed with a trade down.

While we still have needs for backups on the OL, I don't think we are desperate now knowing that QB is set.

I think that they picked up buchannan to help as a nickle. seems cheaper and hopefully, more reliable than smoot.
I like your idea of Lj as a full back. not sure what's gonna happen yet.
Even if the ol is kinda stable this year(well as stable as aging vets and hopefully 2 youngesters is gonna be), but they still need to get younder here.
also, with mcnabb, i think he will be good in dc for 3-4 years tops. it's essential(maybe not this year but hopefully next year) to get that younger qb so he can learn the WC offense from donovan. ha still not used to the idea of mcnabb but he is certainly and unpgrade over jc.

[nicefellow31]

According to Chris Mortensen, chances of getting Okung has gotten better due to the Lions signing Rob Sims.

http://twitter.com/mortreport/status/11650380419

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

According to Chris Mortensen, chances of getting Okung has gotten better due to the Lions signing Rob Sims.

http://twitter.com/mortreport/status/11650380419

i think the key to the whole draft is bradford agreeing and signing with the rams before the draft,he has said he would not do that,but who knows?if they can't agree with him,pretty good chance they'll take suh.if they don't take bradford,he'll still be there at 4 unless somebody wants him bad enough to move up.

[smoak]

Draft picks.

Agreed. We are only "elite" at one position and the rest all range from questions to down right RISKS. I really don't understand the strategy of building the team?? I know it takes time, but it also takes draft picks.

[fent]

i think the key to the whole draft is bradford agreeing and signing with the rams before the draft,he has said he would not do that,but who knows?if they can't agree with him,pretty good chance they'll take suh.if they don't take bradford,he'll still be there at 4 unless somebody wants him bad enough to move up.

Bradford has denied that he or his camp ever said anything like that and that he'll play for whoever drafts him.

[Gravy]

...Tackle, Left & Right...who would be better though at 4, Okung or Bulga (how do you spell it)

[The Skinsinator]

Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
A Strong Safey
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Nose Tackle - A true one
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them
Offensive Linemen - a bunch of them+1

Our oline depth will still suck even if they get new a couple new tackles. We have little depth at alot of key units due to our continual avoidance of the draft. That's why trading away picks can be very frustrating at times.

[skinsfan36]

nice assessment cny. i hope we draft a LT.
i heard a rumor on a pay site from a guy who has a source that we were trying to trade players for a LT.that would leave us with alot of options at 4. id still take another tackle though as our best tackle right now is artis hicks.we should sign hamlin and trade landry for a 2nd rd pick,trade carter hes kind of a spare part at this point

[shally]

According to Chris Mortensen, chances of getting Okung has gotten better due to the Lions signing Rob Sims.

http://twitter.com/mortreport/status/11650380419

maybe..it would be nice to have the choice of all the O linemen when we are picking

[silverspring]

To those who are decrying this philosophy it is not like we are over spending on a ton of free agents. This is the only move we made. LOok at it this way, the choice was move up to get Bradford and lose even more picks on a rookie Qb or take the sure thing in mCNabb, who will out perform any rookie for the next 3-5 years. And we still have #4 to take the next Chris Samuels.

I will eat my words if we fail to sign McNabb for more then this year, other then that we are a better football team today both in potential and actual talent then we were before yesterday.

Well if you actually believe mcnabb is still going to be making positive contributions past 3 years then yes, this move makes sense. But it seems to me the philosophy is the same as always, win now, at the expense of the future.

In terms of our needs, today we need 2 offensive tackles, a guard, a center, a linebacker and a nose tackle. If you start looking past the immediate future we need a lot more, for instance our entire running back roster will turn over.

[oldskinfan]

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+1 except I think we need a true FS to replace Landry.

[shally]

+1 except I think we need a true FS to replace Landry.

totally agree.. i dont think we have the starting FS on the roster as of now, either

[dogfight6]

Hypothetical here. Would you trade the #4 pick to the Ravens for Gaither, their #1, and possibly their #2 or #3?

In a second however Ozzie Newsome is not a fool, thats why the Ratbirds win and the Skins.........well have one pick in the draft worth anything.

[CapitalDefense]

Hey CNYskinsfan nice avatar of McNabb I only saw him once in college, remember this?

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/08/sports/unc-deflates-syracuse-in-dome.html?pagewanted=1

Nice breakdown by the way. :)

[IowaSkinsFan]

Ok I understand alot of people say we have alot of needs but what are they really now that McNabb is here?

Unless McNabb can play more than 1 position, our needs haven't changed one bit.

[NCskinsfanatic]

If you factor in their 1st and 2nd, you're left with a balance of 750 points to get to the 1800 points our pick is valued at. This would mean Gaither fits between the 23 and 24th picks. I think that's actually just about perfect value. It's a lot to give up, but a LT, and then 2 picks to also spend on the line would be pretty nice.

I'd like to see us swap firsts with the Ravens while acquiring Gaither and another pick. Even if it were a conditional pick in next years draft, with the additions of Gaither and McNabb at number 25 we could go OT Brown, DT Cody, OG Iupati or RB Best.