Redskins Trade For Adam Carriker

[zeps067]

im watching espn right now and schefter just said the redskins just traded for adam carriker.. they didnt say who the skins traded back to rams..

[smoot]

word is it was a 5th rounder

[whiskeytown]

i think a 5th-rounder.


are we moving to some All-DL league? cuz we got 53 of 'em.

[redcayman]

Rumor is a 5th round pick.

[CarMike]

word is it was a 5th rounder

7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 draft picks for the Redskins.

[Arkangiest]

lol goodbye draft picks!

[whiskeytown]

as much as i'd like to see AH stay/play in washington...... i'm starting to hope they have a deal in the works for mulitple early-round picks.

[BurgundyNGold]

7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 draft picks for the Redskins.
LMAO. Are you saying that with your avatar?

Good pickup for a 5th, though. It's going to be a boring draft party lol.

[smoot]

LMAO. Are you saying that with your avatar?

Good pickup for a 5th, though. It's going to be a boring draft party lol.
You just need to fit three days worth of drinking into the one hour we'll actually have

[whiskeytown]

at this rate... they might trade the #4 overall to NO for JBrown and Bushrod and i can just go to bed early thursday night.

[BurgundyNGold]

You just need to fit three days worth of drinking into the one hour we'll actually have
:lol1:

Actually, now, the drinking doesn't have to be interrupted with those pesky draft picks lol.

[nicefellow31]

Somewhere Bruce Allen's daddy is saying "that's my boy!"

[Gravy]

Wow we now have 67 DLs...soon to be 66 as I now believe AH is as good as gone...unless I am just crazy

[whiskeytown]

is Ron McDole available?

[skin4ever]

Rumor mill is churning that this deal is an attempt to get the Rams to draft Suh instead of Bradford, so we have our shot at him. So if true(just going along with all the bullcrap) we will have dedicated our 4th overall, 2nd and now a 5th to the QB position. If we are going to do that, why not just trade McNabb and Haynesworth to the Rams for the Number 1 overall and take bradford. Then it would have only cost us a 2nd rd pick. Nice thinking huh...

In reality though, I think this signing is a move that we have AH on the move, and the deal hasnt been reported yet. Otherwise, we could have waited and kept teams guessing about DL.

[CarMike]

LMAO. Are you saying that with your avatar?

:D

Too funny!

[hockeygoalie29]

If it is for a 5th round pick that is a steal. The guy is a perfect fit for a 3-4 defense and never really had a position in the 4-3. I would have been happy with trading Carter for him straight up so that they both land in a scheme they fit in but a 5th is even better.

[kingbrutis]

We'd get lucky to get a 3rd for AH. I say keep him and torture him thru the year.

Too much depth is never a bad thing.

[nicefellow31]

If Carriker can play NT, then AH will be happy and problem averted.

[shally]

Somewhere Bruce Allen's daddy is saying "that's my boy!"

at this rate... they might trade the #4 overall to NO for JBrown and Bushrod and i can just go to bed early thursday night.

You just need to fit three days worth of drinking into the one hour we'll actually have

Wow we now have 67 DLs...soon to be 66 as I now believe AH is as good as gone...unless I am just crazy

Rumor mill is churning that this deal is an attempt to get the Rams to draft Suh instead of Bradford, so we have our shot at him. So if true(just going along with all the bullcrap) we will have dedicated our 4th overall, 2nd and now a 5th to the QB position. If we are going to do that, why not just trade McNabb and Haynesworth to the Rams for the Number 1 overall and take bradford. Then it would have only cost us a 2nd rd pick. Nice thinking huh...

In reality though, I think this signing is a move that we have AH on the move, and the deal hasnt been reported yet. Otherwise, we could have waited and kept teams guessing about DL.


great comments by everybody !

1. i think Haynesworth is on his way out of here. Carricker is perfect for a 3/4 DE

2. the Giants proved you cannot have too many quality D linemen..BUT with a 3/4 you dont need as many of them

3. i am surprised we didnt ship Carter to the Rams

4. Mcnabb is going NO WHERE !

[shally]

If Carriker can play NT, then AH will be happy and problem averted.

Carricker is NOT a NT.. he is not much over 300 pounds and is perfect for DE in a 3/4

he is okay as a DT in a 4/3, but is not nearly bulky enough, or low enough to play NT

[IH Brave]

great comments by everybody !

1. i think Haynesworth is on his way out of here. Carricker is perfect for a 3/4 DE

2. the Giants proved you cannot have too many quality D linemen..BUT with a 3/4 you dont need as many of them

3. i am surprised we didnt ship Carter to the Rams

4. Mcnabb is going NO WHERE !


I hope not. I just bought his jersey.

[whiskeytown]

http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/offseason-champs-2.jpg

[hockeygoalie29]

WOW! This trade just got even better.

To acquire Adam Carricker, Washington swapped spots with St. Louis in the 5th round for the pick the Rams had from the Eagles

Per Adam Schefter (http://twitter.com/adam_schefter)

[Moe]

I'm interested to see what Carriker can do, assuming they put him at 3-4 DE where he's a more natural fit than at NT where the Rams stuck him. He's young and for a 5th, this is a decent gamble.

As it relates to the potential that the Rams might now take Suh, which leaves Bradford potentially sitting there at 4.....I need to digest that one a little. It wouldn't make much sense on the surface, nor in the short term, but if Shanny thinks he's the one and they are looking at this year as a transitional year (despite all talk of winning now) then I could stomach it. If they're taking Bradford because he's the best player there in light of their other needs, I can't say that'd make much sense. Or maybe they're hoping he's there and the cast of teams looking for a QB just moved the Skins further up their speed dial.

Gotta love this time of year.

[Gravy]

Can they covert some of these DL guys to OTs?...:blink:I keed.
So we have 3 picks now...was it for a 5th, was that confrimed?

[redcayman]

Schefter just tweeted we swapped the 5th the rams got from the Eagles. Why is he so cheap?

[shally]

:D

Too funny!

i have seen that look out of each of my teenage daughters at one time or another.. it can be used to devastating effect..lol

[shally]

Schefter just tweeted we swapped the 5th the rams got from the Eagles. Why is he so cheap?

very poor fit for their scheme ? just didnt work out for them

as far as i know, he is a very high character, high motor guy

[nicefellow31]

Can they covert some of these DL guys to OTs?...:blink:I keed.
So we have 3 picks now...was it for a 5th, was that confrimed?

Hey. Lil Shanny said our OL is good.

[shally]

Can they covert some of these DL guys to OTs?...:blink:I keed.
So we have 3 picks now...was it for a 5th, was that confrimed?

Joe Jacoby redux ??

[Redskinmayhem]

WOW! This trade just got even better.



Per Adam Schefter (http://twitter.com/adam_schefter)

Wow...finally, we make a "GOOD" deal.

[akhhorus]

Bye Bye Albert

[nicefellow31]

So the Rams basically gave away Carriker to us just for swapping places? Hmmm. BTW, why aren't our local reporters on this story? Jason Reid, the so called Mayor has nothing except for what he saw on TV like the rest of us.

[The Iceman]

They swapped 5th rounders... the 5th rounder that the rams got from philly, so we move back about 20 spots in the 5th round and get a guy who was a first round pick less than 3 years ago....

I LOVE THIS DEAL.... in the 5th, moving back 20 spots isn't doing much. I'm loving the possibilities of more trades like this. Keep em comin bruce.

[hockeygoalie29]

Wow...finally, we make a "GOOD" deal.

That's an absolute steal. We just picked up the #13 overall pick from the 2007 draft for dropping down 20 spots in the 5th round. Either St. Louis believes he will not recover from his shoulder injury or they just got fleeced by Allen. Either way, it's a no lose situation for the Redskins.

[Gravy]

I wonder if there is already a "wink,wink" deal in place for Fat Albert?

[Redskin4Life]

WOW! Swap of 5ths for a guy we need?!?! And we still have 4 picks....

I've got a funny feeling that AH will be gone and the Rams will be getting Osi...

[shally]

per PFT.. coming off serious shoulder injury in 2009

didnt realize that

[shally]

WOW! Swap of 5ths for a guy we need?!?! And we still have 4 picks....

I've got a funny feeling that AH will be gone and the Rams will be getting Osi...

Carter would be a good fall back plan for them

[akhhorus]

Grand Theft Shanahan. If Carriker is healthy, he's an effective player and we got him for a 20ish drop in the 5th round.

[Fathead]

This essentially means we got Carriker for free.

[whiskeytown]

i haven't been this much of a Bruce fan since my first Springsteen concert at the Cap Centre in 1984.

[flave1969]

Can they covert some of these DL guys to OTs?...:blink:I keed.
So we have 3 picks now...was it for a 5th, was that confrimed?

We swapped 5ths dropping 28 spots in the round.

What injury caused him to miss last year?

[hockeygoalie29]

Bye Bye Albert

As much as I love this deal, I'd be pretty leery about penciling in Carriker as a full time replacement for Haynesworth given his injury history. With all the D-line acquisitions in the last few days though it certainly looks like Haynesworth's days are numbered.

[Moe]

per PFT.. coming off serious shoulder injury in 2009

didnt realize that

apparently it happened last pre-season so he's had time to heal after surgery.

[smave]

i haven't been this much of a Bruce fan since my first Springsteen concert at the Cap Centre in 1984.

lolol

[BurgundyNGold]

i have seen that look out of each of my teenage daughters at one time or another.. it can be used to devastating effect..lol
So can a backhand lol.

[oldskinfan]

Could mean Jarmon or Carter being shopped?

[The Iceman]

This could mean that we keep multiple D'lineman and have a fairly nasty rotation w/ fresh bodies all game this year.

[fent]

apparently it happened last pre-season so he's had time to heal after surgery.

Correct. Believe it was the third preseason game. Here's the specific injury. Shally, your prognosis?

Carriker said he has a 75 percent tear in the subscapularis muscle in the shoulder. The supscapularis is the deepest muscle of the rotator cuff.

http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2009/09/carrikers-surgery-set-for-wednesday/

[nicefellow31]

Could mean Jarmon or Carter being shopped?

I forgot all about Jarmon. I wonder how is rehab is coming along?

[hockeygoalie29]

According to Schefter, he's still on his rookie deal and is only owed $1.07 million and $1.42 million the next two years.

[akhhorus]

As much as I love this deal, I'd be pretty leery about penciling in Carriker as a full time replacement for Haynesworth given his injury history. With all the D-line acquisitions in the last few days though it certainly looks like Haynesworth's days are numbered.

I don't think that they are relying fully on Carriker, but with Carriker, Green, Kemo, etc they're going replace him with platooning guys in and out all game long.

[skins4life24]

Wow some good news today. I really hope we can recoup a high pick for Fat Albert and get the O-line rebuilt,

I read that Brown is holding out on New Orleans. I say we swap him with Albert and call it a day

[cal_junior]

I think the Skins could be crazy-active on Thursday. Looks like AH will be gone, and I imagine they're going to try like crazy to move down and add 1-2 picks from someone who wants a DT/QB at No. 4.

Could be a fun night . .

[shally]

Correct. Believe it was the third preseason game. Here's the specific injury. Shally, your prognosis?



http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2009/09/carrikers-surgery-set-for-wednesday/

the subscap is the muscle that is frequently shredded when a person has a shoulder dislocation. it can be reconstructed most of the time, but if the recovery is not full then you have a player with an unstable shoulder. it will be interesting if you see him wearing a shoulder harness or brace when he reports for camp.. if he is NOT then the recovery is probably complete

overall, i think this probably has a good prognosis

[greatest2]

34 DE in my mind. Solid if unspectacular.

[shally]

I don't think that they are relying fully on Carriker, but with Carriker, Green, Kemo, etc they're going replace him with platooning guys in and out all game long.

taking a page out of the Giants playbook: situational players for down/distance.. a great way to keep guys fresh and put people in a position to make plays every down

[DaveKShape]

i really have to get used to all these changes that are going on. the skins will look completely different next season. they've truly blown it to bits!

[fent]

i really have to get used to all these changes that are going on. the skins will look completely different next season. they've truly blown it to bits!

And that's not a good thing...it's a GREAT thing.

[shally]

I think the Skins could be crazy-active on Thursday. Looks like AH will be gone, and I imagine they're going to try like crazy to move down and add 1-2 picks from someone who wants a DT/QB at No. 4.

Could be a fun night . .


key will be whether Suh or McCoy is still there at #4.. if Okung is taken by the Lions that opens everything up for a trade

Clausen wont go that high

Berry wont attract that much interest at 4

[shally]

34 DE in my mind. Solid if unspectacular.

that is the essence of the position.. you dont see them but they make it possible for other guys to make plays

[Farmer Ted]

BTW, why aren't our local reporters on this story? Jason Reid, the so called Mayor has nothing except for what he saw on TV like the rest of us.

Because Adam Schefter is Shanny's finger puppet.

[hockeygoalie29]

I don't think that they are relying fully on Carriker, but with Carriker, Green, Kemo, etc they're going replace him with platooning guys in and out all game long.

Agreed, you definitely need good rotational depth on a 3-4 D-line since you constantly have 3 guys battling 5 O-lineman. Without it your line would wear down quickly.

It is kind of funny that we are loading up on lineman and ignoring the linebacker spot. Usually when you switch to the 3-4 you stock up on linebackers and pair down your D-lineman but we seem to be doing the opposite.

[oldskinfan]

AH and #4 to Rams for #1?

AH to Bills for #9, #9 and #4 to Rams for #1?

put your seat belts on!

[fent]

that is the essence of the position.. you dont see them but they make it possible for other guys to make plays

Yup. Aaron Smith is one of the best and he only averages about 45 tackles and less than 5 sacks a season.

[fent]

Agreed, you definitely need good rotational depth on a 3-4 D-line since you constantly have 3 guys battling 5 O-lineman. Without it your line would wear down quickly.

It is kind of funny that we are loading up on lineman and ignoring the linebacker spot. Usually when you switch to the 3-4 you stock up on linebackers and pair down your D-lineman but we seem to be doing the opposite.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a mid-rounder go to some small school 3-4 OLB type player that we've never heard of. Shanny's got an eye for mid-round talent.

[shally]

Yup. Aaron Smith is one of the best and he only averages about 45 tackles and less than 5 sacks a season.

or a guy like Leonard Marshall of the Giants.. without him LT might not have made the HOF

you have to be completely unselfish and take one for the team on every play

[shally]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a mid-rounder go to some small school 3-4 OLB type player that we've never heard of. Shanny's got an eye for mid-round talent.

the guy out of Utah (samoan or from the pacific islands somewhere) has been touted.. he is a convert project from DE

[skins4life24]

AH and #4 to Rams for #1?

AH to Bills for #9, #9 and #4 to Rams for #1?

put your seat belts on!

ESPN Insider just posted a guess at a possible trade that would be;
Was. #4 + AH to the Rams for #1 + Alex Barron

[akhhorus]

http://twitter.com/RedskinsInsider/statuses/12535231503

We also dealt up in the 7th as part of the deal.

[shally]

ESPN Insider just posted a guess at a possible trade that would be;
Was. #4 + AH to the Rams for #1 + Alex Barron

Barron has been somewhat an underachiever.. i thought he was more of a RT player ?? but it would be to go after Bradford, for sure..

[skins4life24]

the guy out of Utah (samoan or from the pacific islands somewhere) has been touted.. he is a convert project from DE

If we are going to draft a guy to convert to 3-4 outside LB who essentially would be good at rushing the QB but lack in coverage why don't we just stand pat with Andre Carter, if all they are going to be doing is rushing primarily?

[shally]

http://twitter.com/RedskinsInsider/statuses/12535231503

We also dealt up in the 7th as part of the deal.

nice being on the "long" end of the stick..lol.. unlike with Cerrato, looks like we are always looking for that little edge

[shally]

If we are going to draft a guy to convert to 3-4 outside LB who essentially would be good at rushing the QB but lack in coverage why don't we just stand pat with Andre Carter, if all they are going to be doing is rushing primarily?
because Carter has PROVED he cant drop back ..
Misi might be able to (that is the guy i was thinking of)

[fent]

If we are going to draft a guy to convert to 3-4 outside LB who essentially would be good at rushing the QB but lack in coverage why don't we just stand pat with Andre Carter, if all they are going to be doing is rushing primarily?

Younger, cheaper, help Andre play a position he wants, and still have Andre available to move for more picks/players.

[hockeygoalie29]

i really have to get used to all these changes that are going on. the skins will look completely different next season. they've truly blown it to bits!

I was talking to a co-worker yesterday about how even though I felt like we were keeping our core in tact in reality we completely overhauled our depth and have or will add several new starters. Going down the list, it looks like we may have as many as 13 new starters compared to 2009:

Quarterback (Campbell to McNabb)
Running Back (possibly Portis to Johnson/Parker)
Left Tackle (Samuels to ?)
Right Tackle (Heyer to ?)
Right Guard (Thomas to Williams)
Wide Receiver (Randel El to Thomas)
3-4 Defensive End (Carriker)
Nose tackle (Kemo)
OLB (Orakpo now in a natural position)
OLB/ILB (Blades or ? in the spot Rocky doesn't fill if he remains on the team)
Free Safety (Landry to ?)
Strong Safety (Horton/Doughty to Landry)
Nickel Corner (Smoot to Buchanon)

[greatest2]

AH and #4 to Rams for #1?

AH to Bills for #9, #9 and #4 to Rams for #1?

put your seat belts on!


ah wont fetch number 9 overall.

"they" are saying AH will probably get a 2nd and maybe a 4th this year, or 2 and conditional 3rd next year.

[shally]

ah wont fetch number 9 overall.

"they" are saying AH will probably get a 2nd and maybe a 4th this year, or 2 and conditional 3rd next year.

maybe.. at his salary that is a big "carrot".. someone is going to get AH for about 5 million per year !!

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

turns out all we had to do was switch picks in the 5th round for carricker.so we basically got him by dropping 23 places in this season's 5th round!sounds like that the rams just could'nt wait to get rid of carricker!

[Redskin4Life]

Agreed, you definitely need good rotational depth on a 3-4 D-line since you constantly have 3 guys battling 5 O-lineman. Without it your line would wear down quickly.

It is kind of funny that we are loading up on lineman and ignoring the linebacker spot. Usually when you switch to the 3-4 you stock up on linebackers and pair down your D-lineman but we seem to be doing the opposite.
Is it just me or do you see "potentially" 11 3-4 LBs on our roster today?

Carter, Andre (6'4, 253)
Jackson, Rob (6'4, 269)
Alexander, Lorenzo (6'1, 275)
Blades, HB (5'10, 242)
Bowen, Alvin (6'1, 223)
Fletcher, London (5'10, 245)
Gatewood, Curtis (6'3, 240)
Henson, Robert (6'0, 242)
McIntosh, Rocky (6'2, 238)
Orakpo, Brian (6'4, 260)
Wilson, Chris (6'4, 247)

I know all of these guys won't be on the team due to roster spots or being traded or cut... but it seems like we've got a lot of guys that can play the 3-4 LB position.

And I see Jarmon as a DE in the 34.

[HoKiES34]

wooo hail!! even though we have 4 picks draft night should be pretty exciting due to all the trade talks haynesworth,Rocky, and Campbell

[shally]

turns out all we had to do was switch picks in the 5th round for carricker.so we basically got him by dropping 23 places in this season's 5th round!sounds like that the rams just could'nt wait to get rid of carricker!

means they were going to cut him.. so they got something instead of nothing

[BurgundyNGold]

I think the Skins could be crazy-active on Thursday. Looks like AH will be gone, and I imagine they're going to try like crazy to move down and add 1-2 picks from someone who wants a DT/QB at No. 4.

Could be a fun night . .
Oh, it will be, but I'm expecting much of that movement to happen on Friday and some on Saturday.

[hockeygoalie29]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a mid-rounder go to some small school 3-4 OLB type player that we've never heard of. Shanny's got an eye for mid-round talent.

I'd think it would be a must. We've got a bunch of bodies at linebacker now, but most of them are either switching positions (Carter/Wilson/Alexander) or are better off as depth (Blades).

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

means they were going to cut him.. so they got something instead of nothing

and he was a number 1 pick back a few years was'nt he?

[shally]

Is it just me or do you see "potentially" 11 3-4 LBs on our roster today?

Carter, Andre (6'4, 253)
Jackson, Rob (6'4, 269)
Alexander, Lorenzo (6'1, 275)
Blades, HB (5'10, 242)
Bowen, Alvin (6'1, 223)
Fletcher, London (5'10, 245)
Gatewood, Curtis (6'3, 240)
Henson, Robert (6'0, 242)
McIntosh, Rocky (6'2, 238)
Orakpo, Brian (6'4, 260)
Wilson, Chris (6'4, 247)

I know all of these guys won't be on the team due to roster spots or being traded or cut... but it seems like we've got a lot of guys that can play the 3-4 LB position.

And I see Jarmon as a DE in the 34.

agree about Jarmon, but he would have to put on 20-30 pounds to play that position (3/4 DE).. on the other hand, he would have to lose 10-15 pounds to play 3/4 LB

either way it is a transition for him...

[fent]

and he was a number 1 pick back a few years was'nt he?

13th overall

[shally]

and he was a number 1 pick back a few years was'nt he?

13th over all !! how is that for a bust ??!!!

[shally]

13th overall

too quick for these old arthritic fingers, Fent...lol

[skins4life24]

because Carter has PROVED he cant drop back ..
Misi might be able to (that is the guy i was thinking of)

Younger, cheaper, help Andre play a position he wants, and still have Andre available to move for more picks/players.

Good points, I think the 3-4 Carter ran in San Fran didn't fit him what so ever, however i think ours is going to resemble the steelers formation much more. How often do we see Lamar Woodley drop into coverage? not very. I actually think Carter will be more suited to this style than he was in the last one he played in.

All things considered I think Chris Wilson could do just as well at that spot so I am all for trading Carter if the offer comes up.

[Gravy]

Is it just me or do you see "potentially" 11 3-4 LBs on our roster today?

Carter, Andre (6'4, 253)
Jackson, Rob (6'4, 269)
Alexander, Lorenzo (6'1, 275)
Blades, HB (5'10, 242)
Bowen, Alvin (6'1, 223)
Fletcher, London (5'10, 245)
Gatewood, Curtis (6'3, 240)
Henson, Robert (6'0, 242)
McIntosh, Rocky (6'2, 238)
Orakpo, Brian (6'4, 260)
Wilson, Chris (6'4, 247)

I know all of these guys won't be on the team due to roster spots or being traded or cut... but it seems like we've got a lot of guys that can play the 3-4 LB position.

And I see Jarmon as a DE in the 34.

I thought I knew all the guys on the roster but where did this guy come from???

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

13th over all !! how is that for a bust ??!!!

so haslett must have drafted him!we have been talking about possible trades concerning AH,JC,AND RM,but does'nt this move put carter on the trading block now?

this is what cnn/si posted about it!
ST. LOUIS (AP) -- The St. Louis Rams have traded defensive tackle Adam Carriker, a first-round pick in 2007 who's been held back by injuries, to the Washington Redskins for a late-round pick in the draft.

Rams general manager Billy Devaney said Tuesday the team had enough depth at the position to make the deal, believed to involve a swap of fifth-round picks. He said the draft class was loaded with defensive tackles, and the Rams are expected to re-sign backup Gary Gibson.

Carriker was the 13th overall pick in 2007 out of Nebraska. He missed last season with a shoulder injury. He will be reunited with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, a former Rams coach.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/04/20/carriker.ap/index.html#ixzz0lftgyuat
Get a free NFL Team Jacket and Tee with SI Subscription

[shally]

Good points, I think the 3-4 Carter ran in San Fran didn't fit him what so ever, however i think ours is going to resemble the steelers formation much more. How often do we see Lamar Woodley drop into coverage? not very. I actually think Carter will be more suited to this style than he was in the last one he played in.

All things considered I think Chris Wilson could do just as well at that spot so I am all for trading Carter if the offer comes up.


agree about Wilson.. he can drop into Zone coverage.. neither Carter nor Wilson can chase RB's or TE's very well

[shally]

I thought I knew all the guys on the roster but where did this guy come from???

PS player who was added at the end of last year

smallish, i think

[shally]

so haslett must have drafted him!we have been talking about possible trades concerning AH,JC,AND RM,but does'nt this move put carter on the trading block now?

this is what cnn/si posted about it!

Carter HAS to be on the block, unless they forsee using him a purely a designated pass rusher from the OLB position

then again, Charles Haley had a near HOF career doing exactly that..

[fent]

so haslett must have drafted him!we have been talking about possible trades concerning AH,JC,AND RM,but does'nt this move put carter on the trading block now?

this is what cnn/si posted about it!

Haslett was indeed the DC when Carriker was drafted. They were running a 4-3 at the time, though.

edit: nevermind. Just saw that you updated it with a post to say Haslett was there.

[shally]

Haslett was indeed the DC when Carriker was drafted. They were running a 4-3 at the time, though.

the Haslett must not have had much input into the draft. Carricker just wasnt a good fit for the 4/3--ever..

[BurgundyNGold]

Is it just me or do you see "potentially" 11 3-4 LBs on our roster today?

Carter, Andre (6'4, 253)
Jackson, Rob (6'4, 269)
Alexander, Lorenzo (6'1, 275)
Blades, HB (5'10, 242)
Bowen, Alvin (6'1, 223)
Fletcher, London (5'10, 245)
Gatewood, Curtis (6'3, 240)
Henson, Robert (6'0, 242)
McIntosh, Rocky (6'2, 238)
Orakpo, Brian (6'4, 260)
Wilson, Chris (6'4, 247)

I know all of these guys won't be on the team due to roster spots or being traded or cut... but it seems like we've got a lot of guys that can play the 3-4 LB position.

And I see Jarmon as a DE in the 34.
Jackson and Lo aren't LBs in any scheme. Putting them back at LB is as bad an idea as it was to play Orakpo at Sam last year.

[hockeygoalie29]

Is it just me or do you see "potentially" 11 3-4 LBs on our roster today?

Carter, Andre (6'4, 253)
Jackson, Rob (6'4, 269)
Alexander, Lorenzo (6'1, 275)
Blades, HB (5'10, 242)
Bowen, Alvin (6'1, 223)
Fletcher, London (5'10, 245)
Gatewood, Curtis (6'3, 240)
Henson, Robert (6'0, 242)
McIntosh, Rocky (6'2, 238)
Orakpo, Brian (6'4, 260)
Wilson, Chris (6'4, 247)

I know all of these guys won't be on the team due to roster spots or being traded or cut... but it seems like we've got a lot of guys that can play the 3-4 LB position.

And I see Jarmon as a DE in the 34.


I think out of those guys we've got 2 very good starters, a possible starter who's about to be traded, a starter who hates the 3-4, a really good project, a depth guy or two and several who aren't a good fit for a 3-4.

Current Starters
Fletcher, London - Obviously a starting ILB
Orakpo, Brian - Should be a stud OLB
McIntosh, Rocky-Rumored to be traded
Carter, Andre - Doesn't play well as an OLB

Depth
Blades, HB - Good depth, but that's about it

Projects
Wilson, Chris - Really interested to see him make the transition to OLB
Jackson, Rob - Wild card, could be a decent OLB backup if he has the agility required
Alexander, Lorenzo - Playing at OLB currently but in reality he's stuck without a position in a 3-4

Camp Fodder
Bowen, Alvin
Gatewood, Curtis
Henson, Robert

[shally]

Jackson and Lo aren't LBs in any scheme. Putting them back at LB is as bad an idea as it was to play Orakpo at Sam last year.

Jackson might be

Lo is a waste at OLB.. surprised they dont want him to slim a little bit and play ILB

then again, i do recall Levon Kirkland playing OLB at about 300 pounds !!
even at 280 early on, he was a load..lol

[lorimike]

Is it just me or do you see "potentially" 11 3-4 LBs on our roster today?

Carter, Andre (6'4, 253)
Jackson, Rob (6'4, 269)
Alexander, Lorenzo (6'1, 275)
Blades, HB (5'10, 242)
Bowen, Alvin (6'1, 223)
Fletcher, London (5'10, 245)
Gatewood, Curtis (6'3, 240)
Henson, Robert (6'0, 242)
McIntosh, Rocky (6'2, 238)
Orakpo, Brian (6'4, 260)
Wilson, Chris (6'4, 247)

I know all of these guys won't be on the team due to roster spots or being traded or cut... but it seems like we've got a lot of guys that can play the 3-4 LB position.

And I see Jarmon as a DE in the 34.

How in the world is the 275 lbs Lorenzo Alexander a linebacker? Is he really now 275 or is he still the 300 lbs they had him listed at a few years ago. This man has gone from a 300 lb OG/DT to a linebacker? mmm? Sounds like a square peg in an round hole.

[jaylen]

we'll see with Carriker he's an injury prone bust. I loved the guy in college maybe he can ressurect himself most likely he'll just be a guy in the mix.

we need to trade some of our dead weight asap.

[shally]

I think out of those guys we've got 2 very good starters, a possible starter who's about to be traded, a starter who hates the 3-4, a really good project, a depth guy or two and several who aren't a good fit for a 3-4.

Current Starters
Fletcher, London - Obviously a starting ILB
Orakpo, Brian - should be a stud OLB
McIntosh, Rocky- rumored to be traded
Carter, Andre - Doesn't play well as a OLB

Depth
Blades, HB - Good depth, but that's about it

Projects
Wilson, Chris - really interested to see him make the transition to OLB
Alexander, Lorenzo - Playing at OLB currently but in reality he's stuck without a position in a 3-4
Jackson, Rob - Wild card, could be a decent OLB backup if he has the agility required

Camp Fodder
Bowen, Alvin
Gatewood, Curtis
Henson, Robert

Gatewood played stand up DE at Vandy in college.. i think he has a chance.. in the 4/3 he had none...

[BurgundyNGold]

I think out of those guys we've got 2 very good starters, a possible starter who's about to be traded, a really good project, a depth guy or two, and several who aren't a good fit for a 3-4. The rest I don't see making it out of camp.

Current Starters
Fletcher, London - Obviously a starting ILB
Orakpo, Brian - should be a stud OLB
McIntosh, Rocky- rumored to be traded
Carter, Andre - Doesn't play well as a OLB

Depth
Blades, HB - Good depth, but that's about it

Projects
Wilson, Chris - really interested to see him make the transition to OLB
Alexander, Lorenzo - Playing at OLB currently but in reality he's stuck without a position in a 3-4
Jackson, Rob - Wild card, could be a decent OLB backup if he has the agility required

Camp Fodder
Bowen, Alvin
Gatewood, Curtis
Henson, Robert
This is a much more complete assessment than what I just posted, and I largely agree. The only things I would say differently is that I would move Chris Wilson up with Blades in the "backups" group... maybe even into Carter's or Rocky's slot. And, of course, I don't think much of Jackson and Lo at LB. I just don't see the agility in either of them -- especially at their current weight.

[shally]

we'll see with Carriker he's an injury prone bust. I loved the guy in college maybe he can ressurect himself most likely he'll just be a guy in the mix.

we need to trade some of our dead weight asap.

he only had one injury.. not fair to label him injury prone yet

[Dolla Bill]

Nice job FO. Kudos for the steal.


IMO Lorenzo Alexander is being wasted on defense. He could be a great OG in the zone blocking scheme. He's athletic/quick enough to possibly pull it off.

[shally]

How in the world is the 275 lbs Lorenzo Alexander a linebacker? Is he really now 275 or is he still the 300 lbs they had him listed at a few years ago. This man has gone from a 300 lb OG/DT to a linebacker? mmm? Sounds like a square peg in an round hole.

think Adelius Thomas or Levon Kirkland, on a good day.. think waiver wire on a bad day..lol

at the worst, Lo is a ferocious ST's player..

[shally]

Nice job FO. Kudos for the steal.


IMO Lorenzo Alexander is being wasted on defense. He could be a great OG in the zone blocking scheme. He's athletic/quick enough to possibly pull it off.

they used him as a goal line TE last year !! the guy is smart and hardworking. they will find a place for him

[skins4life24]

Jackson might be

Lo is a waste at OLB.. surprised they dont want him to slim a little bit and play ILB

then again, i do recall Levon Kirkland playing OLB at about 300 pounds !!
even at 280 early on, he was a load..lol

I see it the opposite way I am surprised they don't want him to put on 10 -15 lbs and be a DE in the 3-4 (younger Phillip Daniels) <- obviously not that tempting sounding but I would think that is what his potential could max at.

[lorimike]

"The Rams also traded the 163rd overall pick to the Redskins, but they picked up the 135rd selection in the deal, according to a source." From NFL.com . So we swapped spots in the 5th round?? So essentially we got Adam Carricker by moving down in the 5th round. If this is true this is a pretty clever deal

[hockeygoalie29]

This is a much more complete assessment than what I just posted, and I largely agree. The only things I would say differently is that I would move Chris Wilson up with Blades in the "backups" group... maybe even into Carter's or Rocky's slot. And, of course, I don't think much of Jackson and Lo at LB. I just don't see the agility in either of them -- especially at their current weight.

I agree on Wilson, I just left him in the project section since we've never seen him at OLB but I think he will be a great fit there. I did read that the coaches thought Alexander had great hip movement from watching his special teams tape and thought he'd be able to make the transition to LB based on his agility and athleticism. I think it is an effort to give him a chance to find a position in this defense but I don't think it will work out for him.

[akhhorus]

"The Rams also traded the 163rd overall pick to the Redskins, but they picked up the 135rd selection in the deal, according to a source." From NFL.com . So we swapped spots in the 5th round?? So essentially we got Adam Carricker by moving down in the 5th round. If this is true this is a pretty clever deal

And we swapped 7th round picks, moving up in the 7th.

[lorimike]

And we swapped 7th round picks, moving up in the 7th.


Yep, I gotta say that this is a pretty good deal for us. We paid very little for a player who still has a big upside........ " The terms of the deal include an exchange of picks in the fifth and seventh rounds in this weekend’s draft. The Redskins gave up their fifth (135th overall) for the Rams’ (163rd) and their seventh (211th) for St. Louis’ (208th)." From Redskins.com

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Rams fans are screaming that they just gave him away.

[BurgundyNGold]

they used him as a goal line TE last year !! the guy is smart and hardworking. they will find a place for him
No doubt. It's just that I am well beyond suspect that the spot will be at LB.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

This is crazy. So we pick up a player without giving up a draft pick and actually move up a few spots in a later round. Wow. Excuse me while I attempt to adjust to people who know how to manuever without getting fleeced in every deal.

[BurgundyNGold]

Nice job FO. Kudos for the steal.


IMO Lorenzo Alexander is being wasted on defense. He could be a great OG in the zone blocking scheme. He's athletic/quick enough to possibly pull it off.
Now that's an idea. Shades of Tre Johnson. :)

[VegasSkinsFan]

I was hoping we were going to get him when he came out. I think this was a great move ( barring health ). Get an OT or 2, maybe a lb and i am really happy with this offseason...kicked off by kicking cerrato to the curb. GO SKINS !!!!!

[akhhorus]

Rams fans are screaming that they just gave him away.

Maybe that's because they gave up a top 13 pick player for a pu pu tray of crap lol

Now that's an idea. Shades of Tre Johnson. :)

He is Tre Johnson lol

This is crazy. So we pick up a player without giving up a draft pick and actually move up a few spots in a later round. Wow. Excuse me while I attempt to adjust to people who know how to manuever without getting fleeced in every deal.

Satan just texted me, he sees flurries.

[BurgundyNGold]

I agree on Wilson, I just left him in the project section since we've never seen him at OLB but I think he will be a great fit there. I did read that the coaches thought Alexander had great hip movement from watching his special teams tape and thought he'd be able to make the transition to LB based on his agility and athleticism. I think it is an effort to give him a chance to find a position in this defense but I don't think it will work out for him.
He played OLB last year. Honestly, I didn't see too much of a difference between him an Orakpo except that Orakpo got the green light to rush the passer a whole lot more. Wilson was probably better in run support, but they both left a lot to be desired in pass coverage lol.

[akhhorus]

He played OLB last year. Honestly, I didn't see too much of a difference between him an Orakpo except that Orakpo got the green light to rush the passer a whole lot more. Wilson was probably better in run support, but they both left a lot to be desired in pass coverage lol.

Agree, but if the skins can get a good coverage ILB, then they could pull off Wilson/Orakpo at OLB if you just send them at the backfield every down.

[BurgundyNGold]

Agree, but if the skins can get a good coverage ILB, then they could pull off Wilson/Orakpo at OLB if you just send them at the backfield every down.
That's what I'm thinking. Not sure if Rocky is that guy, but he's better suted for that role than any other LB we've got on the roster right now.

[akhhorus]

That's what I'm thinking. Not sure if Rocky is that guy, but he's better suted for that role than any other LB we've got on the roster right now.

Chris Horton.....lol

You'd also need a coverage free safety so that Landry could play in the box also. Something like:
Carriker-Kemo-Daniels/Jarmon
Orakpo-Fletcher-Horton/Rocky/??-Wilson
Landry
Hall-Rogers
Free Safety

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Agree, but if the skins can get a good coverage ILB, then they could pull off Wilson/Orakpo at OLB if you just send them at the backfield every down.

I still say AJ Edds from Iowa would fit the bill. Him or his teammate Angerer.

[BurgundyNGold]

Chris Horton.....lol
Maybe. I'd be worried that he's too light in the pants, though.

You'd also need a coverage free safety so that Landry could play in the box also.
Welcome to 2008 lol.

[tyrone_rush_fan]

This deal is almost too good to be true. On the flip side, karma would mean we can expect a similar trade for Jason Campbell.

[fent]

Chris Horton.....lol

You'd also need a coverage free safety so that Landry could play in the box also. Something like:
Carriker-Kemo-Daniels/Jarmon
Orakpo-Fletcher-Horton/Rocky/??-Wilson
Landry
Hall-Rogers
Free Safety

I still don't see this as neccessarily meaning AH is gone. The front 7 could be nasty with the following plus Landry playing up in the box.

Carriker-Kemo-Fat Albert
Orakpo-Fletcher-Horton/Rocky/??-Wilson

[akhhorus]

Maybe. I'd be worried that he's too light in the pants, though.

He'd need to put on about 10-15 lbs, but he could pull it off around 230ish(like Nick Barnett, Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, Demorrio Williams, Brandon Siler, Stephen Cooper, etc) The Broncos have a good young ILB playing at 218(woodyard).

Welcome to 2008 lol.

Only without Blache thinking that rushing the passer leads to witchcraft.

[BurgundyNGold]

For the record, according to the NFL draft chart, the Redskins gave up about 8 draft points moving back from 135 to 163, but then picked up a little over a point in moving up from 211 to 208. So, the net is about 7 draft points to acquire Adam Carriker. That's a very good deal, even if it Carriker gets here and literally has no arms attached to his body.

[akhhorus]

For the record, according to the NFL draft chart, the Redskins gave up about 8 draft points moving back from 135 to 163, but then picked up a little over a point in moving up from 211 to 208. So, the net is about 7 draft points to acquire Adam Carriker. That's a very good deal, even if it Carriker gets here and literally has no arms attached to his body.

So, Carriker for about a late 7th, only we don't lose any draft picks.

[fent]

For the record, according to the NFL draft chart, the Redskins gave up about 8 draft points moving back from 135 to 163, but then picked up a little over a point in moving up from 211 to 208. So, the net is about 7 draft points to acquire Adam Carriker. That's a very good deal, even if it Carriker gets here and literally has no arms attached to his body.

7 draft points for this guy? (http://sultanofsnow.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/monty-python-black-knight-with-one-arm-off-794357.jpg)

[lorimike]

Just one of the quotes from the Rams board. It is nice to be on the winning side of one of these deals................." Why even make this deal? I would have preferred that we bring him to camp and see if he's got anything to offer. If he stayed healthy and made a contribution his trade value would only go up.

That's a much better way to go than what turns out to be another dadgum, friggin' fire sale.

Man it's tough being a Rams fan sometimes."

[smoak]

This is the best trade the Skins have pulled off in a long time.

[BurgundyNGold]

He'd need to put on about 10-15 lbs, but he could pull it off around 230ish(like Nick Barnett, Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, Demorrio Williams, Brandon Siler, Stephen Cooper, etc) The Broncos have a good young ILB playing at 218(woodyard).
That would make for some interesting preseason scenarios. I'd like to see them put Horton there to see how it goes.

Only without Blache thinking that rushing the passer leads to witchcraft.
LMAO. Blache as Rev. Shaw Moore in Football...loose.

http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes-88/Footloose15.jpg

"If our Lord wasn't testing us, how would you account for the proliferation, these days, of this obscene blitzing and rushing the passer, with its gospel of easy points and turnovers?"

[BurgundyNGold]

So, Carriker for about a late 7th, only we don't lose any draft picks.
Yep.

7 draft points for this guy? (http://sultanofsnow.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/monty-python-black-knight-with-one-arm-off-794357.jpg)
Hey, joke all you want, but that dude had a motor lol.

[akhhorus]

That would make for some interesting preseason scenarios. I'd like to see them put Horton there to see how it goes.


It would be like a college defense with 2 Strong safeties, but it could work if you had some beef on the DLine.


LMAO. Blache as Rev. Shaw Moore in Football...loose.

http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes-88/Footloose15.jpg

"If our Lord wasn't testing us, how would you account for the proliferation, these days, of this obscene blitzing and rushing the passer, with its gospel of easy points and turnovers?"

lmao!

[VegasSkinsFan]

Agree, but if the skins can get a good coverage ILB, then they could pull off Wilson/Orakpo at OLB if you just send them at the backfield every down.

Robert Hensen might have a chance..was a MLB in college. GO SKINS !!!!

[skins4life24]

He'd need to put on about 10-15 lbs, but he could pull it off around 230ish(like Nick Barnett, Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, Demorrio Williams, Brandon Siler, Stephen Cooper, etc) The Broncos have a good young ILB playing at 218(woodyard).


Any reason why you think Horton would be a better fit to bulk up and play ILB instead of Landry?

[akhhorus]

Any reason why you think Horton would be a better fit to bulk up and play ILB instead of Landry?

Horton is built thicker than Landry is, especially in the shoulder/chest.

[shally]

This is crazy. So we pick up a player without giving up a draft pick and actually move up a few spots in a later round. Wow. Excuse me while I attempt to adjust to people who know how to manuever without getting fleeced in every deal.

No Vinny.... that says it all

[CapitalDefense]

very poor fit for their scheme ? just didnt work out for them

as far as i know, he is a very high character, high motor guy

Exactly, we swapped a former first round pick for a bag of peanuts, only moving down 20+ spots in the fifth round. I like this trade!!!

[brettsky991]

Here's the St. Louis slant -

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/5BA69104DA16A09D8625770B0076DE24?OpenDocument

[shally]

Exactly, we swapped a former first round pick for a bag of peanuts, only moving down 20+ spots in the fifth round. I like this trade!!!

and moved up 3 in the 7th !! that might not make any difference, but i like the effort to gain even the slightest edge..

[CapitalDefense]

This is the best trade the Skins have pulled off in a long time.
A long time!!!

Those of you debating the safety move to ILB forgetaboutit, not gonna happen. Go watch Hasletts interview on Redskins.com from yesterday.

[shally]

Here's the St. Louis slant -

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/5BA69104DA16A09D8625770B0076DE24?OpenDocument

they were going to cut him and got something, rather than nothing except salaly relief

on the other hand, we got a player who might turn out to be very solid.. "might" being the operative word

[CapitalDefense]

For a while during a crazy hour or so Tuesday afternoon, we were waiting for one final clarification: Carriker to Washington for a bag of potato chips.

Peanuts vs Chips.... :)

[brettsky991]

they were going to cut him and got something, rather than nothing except salaly relief

on the other hand, we got a player who might turn out to be very solid.. "might" being the operative word

Granted. Low risk, potential upside. At least the FO is thinking!

PS - No T.O. :devil2:

[HanburgerBum]

Has anyone heard whether this trade is contingent upon Carriker passing his physical? I am guessing that since he came so cheap, the Redskins may have to take him "as is". Even if that were the case, this is still a good "gamble" by Wash.

From the recent trades that have been made by the various teams, I am getting bad vibes about how much the Skins can get for Haynesworth and Campbell. It seems that most teams are guarding their higher draft picks as if they are the owner's children.

[HanburgerBum]

key will be whether Suh or McCoy is still there at #4.. if Okung is taken by the Lions that opens everything up for a trade

Clausen wont go that high

Berry wont attract that much interest at 4


I am having trouble understanding why Berry won't attract much interest at #4. I think a case can be made that he is the best player in this draft--a combination of immense physical skills and superb football intellect as well as high character.

Sports Illustrated in the current issue calls him the No. 1 "sure thing" in this draft.

[BurgundyNGold]

Has anyone heard whether this trade is contingent upon Carriker passing his physical? I am guessing that since he came so cheap, the Redskins may have to take him "as is". Even if that were the case, this is still a good "gamble" by Wash.

From the recent trades that have been made by the various teams, I am getting bad vibes about how much the Skins can get for Haynesworth and Campbell. It seems that most teams are guarding their higher draft picks as if they are the owner's children.
I think all trades are dependent upon the player(s) passing their physical exams with the new team. Not that it should be much consolation if he's still injured. Even if he's only 75-80% back from his injury last year, we're still going to take him.

[BurgundyNGold]

I am having trouble understanding why Berry won't attract much interest at #4. I think a case can be made that he is the best player in this draft--a combination of immense physical skills and superb football intellect as well as high character.

Sports Illustrated in the current issue calls him the No. 1 "sure thing" in this draft.
Not to mention that NFL.com has Berry rated as [one of] the best available player[s].

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010

[edit] The sorting on that site isn't working with Google Chrome. It had Berry listed at the top.

[hogs86]

Does anyone think now that the Rams dumped Adam Carriker that now they will pick Ndamukong Suh. There is a good chance Sam Bradford will be a redskins now.

[akhhorus]

Does anyone think now that the Rams dumped Adam Carriker that now they will pick Ndamukong Suh.

Not at all.

[OCSKINSFAN]

Does anyone think now that the Rams dumped Adam Carriker that now they will pick Ndamukong Suh. There is a good chance Sam Bradford will be a redskins now.

I sure don't. They need a QB and some buzz to sell tickets.

[Lavar703]

Does anyone think now that the Rams dumped Adam Carriker that now they will pick Ndamukong Suh. There is a good chance Sam Bradford will be a redskins now.

Nope. The Rams are going to ruin Bradford unfortunately.

[HanburgerBum]

Does anyone think now that the Rams dumped Adam Carriker that now they will pick Ndamukong Suh. There is a good chance Sam Bradford will be a redskins now.


I hope you are a thousand percent wrong. What sense would it make to trade for McNabb and then use a top 5 pick on Bradford? How long do you think Bradford would be willing to sit and wait? And, what kind of a message would you be sending to McNabb--we think you are good for only about 2 years? Furthermore, just how much $$ and cap room can a team spend for one position?

[coffdogg]

We'd get lucky to get a 3rd for AH. I say keep him and torture him thru the year.

Too much depth is never a bad thing.I would jump off a damn building if we only got a 3rd. At the price of him we should get at the least a 2 this year and a pick next year, like a 3 or another 2

[shally]

Does anyone think now that the Rams dumped Adam Carriker that now they will pick Ndamukong Suh. There is a good chance Sam Bradford will be a redskins now.

could happen. if they were sure about either, they likely would have negotiated a contract

[shally]

I would jump off a damn building if we only got a 3rd. At the price of him we should get at the least a 2 this year and a pick next year, like a 3 or another 2

when you see what a former top 13 pick has netted out just 3 years later (carricker, i mean) you get a sense of what some vets are worth.

no telling what AH would bring

[coffdogg]

WOW! This trade just got even better.



Per Adam Schefter (http://twitter.com/adam_schefter)CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP. If people don't like this trade then something is wrong with them, #13 pick in 07. big time reward vs low risk

[HanburgerBum]

Not to mention that NFL.com has Berry rated as [one of] the best available player[s].

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010

[edit] The sorting on that site isn't working with Google Chrome. It had Berry listed at the top.


As Keino said, if the Skins hadn't squandered picks in rounds 2-3, they would be in position to pick a potential HOF in Berry. When is the front office going to learn that squandering relatively high picks have serious consequences?

[shally]

I am having trouble understanding why Berry won't attract much interest at #4. I think a case can be made that he is the best player in this draft--a combination of immense physical skills and superb football intellect as well as high character.

Sports Illustrated in the current issue calls him the No. 1 "sure thing" in this draft.

maybe because even a guy like Ed Reed wasnt top 10.. sorry, Sean Taylor was a freak of nature in terms of size speed and it took 2-3 years before he was truly an impact player

Landry was top 6.. look at him ?

a guy like Okung or Suh or Bradford is still less risky

[coffdogg]

Grand Theft Shanahan. If Carriker is healthy, he's an effective player and we got him for a 20ish drop in the 5th round.and we moved up 3 spots in the 7th

[shally]

As Keino said, if the Skins hadn't squandered picks in rounds 2-3, they would be in position to pick a potential HOF in Berry. When is the front office going to learn that squandering relatively high picks have serious consequences?

i dont think that Berry is any more a sure HOF pick than Landry was...

[shally]

and we moved up 3 spots in the 7th

has Shanahan finger prints all over the trade..lol

[Gravy]

has Shanahan finger prints all over the trade..lol

...We should draft Suh or McCoy with the 4th pick now...:moon1:

[esmith1790]

CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP. If people don't like this trade then something is wrong with them, #13 pick in 07. big time reward vs low risk

just to throw it out there before someone else does, how about the #9 pick in the 05 draft. (CR-LOL)

I do think the skins got the better end of the deal, But even though he was rated high in 07 doesnt mean that he will turn out to be somebody.

[shally]

...We should draft Suh or McCoy with the 4th pick now...:moon1:

only if Haynesworth is moved.. otherwise the logjam will be huge onthe D line

and we STILL have a critical need on the OL

[LATrueRedskin]

I sure don't. They need a QB and some buzz to sell tickets.

That's if Bradford agrees to sign with them. They've had no talks before the draft, and after hearing Bradford speak, he doesn't seem too thrilled to be drafted by the Rams. They might pass on him and draft someone more "signable".

[shally]

just to throw it out there before someone else does, how about the #9 pick in the 05 draft. (CR-LOL)

I do think the skins got the better end of the deal, But even though he was rated high in 07 doesnt mean that he will turn out to be somebody.

his position doesnt usually turn out to be someone noticed all the time.. even a guy like Ty Warren hardly is noticed a lot.. or Adam Smith

or Spears, for that matter

[Gravy]

only if Haynesworth is moved.. otherwise the logjam will be huge onthe D line

and we STILL have a critical need on the OL

...I just joking...we have half the state of Rhode Island now playing on the DL

[shally]

That's if Bradford agrees to sign with them. They've had no talks before the draft, and after hearing Bradford speak, he doesn't seem too thrilled to be drafted by the Rams. They might pass on him and draft someone more "signable".


they dont even know IF he is signable, if they havent talked number yet..Devaney (the Rams GM) is not exactly impressing me

[shally]

...I just joking...we have half the state of Rhode Island now playing on the DL

no problem with that, as long as we get quality for the Tackle position

[akhhorus]

That's if Bradford agrees to sign with them. They've had no talks before the draft, and after hearing Bradford speak, he doesn't seem too thrilled to be drafted by the Rams. They might pass on him and draft someone more "signable".

I think if that was a major issue, it would be really clear that Suh would be the pick(and they would have him signed). The lions are openly saying that Suh will be their pick, so I guess they think Bradford is going 1.

[LATrueRedskin]

I think if that was a major issue, it would be really clear that Suh would be the pick(and they would have him signed). The lions are openly saying that Suh will be their pick, so I guess they think Bradford is going 1.

I don't think the Rams have to make their pick clear. Yes, if they were smart, they will have a deal in place with their #1 pick, but even then they don't have to make it public who they are drafting. They better be prepared for a long, harsh spring if they draft Bradford. I'm not convinced they are willing to do that.

[coffdogg]

13th over all !! how is that for a bust ??!!!

Don't think you can call him a bust. he had a good rookie year and was injured all of last year. Remember Spaghomo wasn't there when he was drafted

[akhhorus]

I don't think the Rams have to make their pick clear. Yes, if they were smart, they will have a deal in place with their #1 pick, but even then they don't have to make it public who they are drafting. They better be prepared for a long, harsh spring if they draft Bradford. I'm not convinced they are willing to do that.

Fair enough, but if Bradford's unwillingness to sign a contract pre-draft was enough of an issue to be a potential deal breaker for them, it would be clear. The Lions were briefly considering Okung on monday and the whole NFL world knew it along with the Rams unable to keep their trade feelers for the #1 pick quiet(even though they're not much more than feelers). If they were considering Suh because Bradford was unwilling to sign a deal, it probably would have been the lead on Sportscenter tonight.

[BurgundyNGold]

Fair enough, but if Bradford's unwillingness to sign a contract pre-draft was enough of an issue to be a potential deal breaker for them, it would be clear. The Lions were briefly considering Okung on monday and the whole NFL world knew it along with the Rams unable to keep their trade feelers for the #1 pick quiet(even though they're not much more than feelers). If they were considering Suh because Bradford was unwilling to sign a deal, it probably would have been the lead on Sportscenter tonight.
I don't see how the Rams don't go Bradford at this point. He's the guy.

BTW, completely OT, but this first team to pick shouldn't get time on the clock. They have been on the clock for 3 or 4 months already. When the clock strikes 7:30p, they should have to have the pick in the commissioner's hand.

[coffdogg]

and moved up 3 in the 7th !! that might not make any difference, but i like the effort to gain even the slightest edge..

it makes me believe them when they say"we have a plan in place" About darn time

[coffdogg]

Does anyone think now that the Rams dumped Adam Carriker that now they will pick Ndamukong Suh. There is a good chance Sam Bradford will be a redskins now.i dont believe so. just a move to get a guy out that didnt fit

[skinsfan36]

this is a very good trade. we get a 5 teq 3-4 DE for essentially a 7th. nice work shanny/allen

[coffdogg]

just to throw it out there before someone else does, how about the #9 pick in the 05 draft. (CR-LOL)

I do think the skins got the better end of the deal, But even though he was rated high in 07 doesnt mean that he will turn out to be somebody.Not saying that he will. I am saying we moved down 28 spots or so to get a high motor guy that was out 1 whole year and should be fully recovered and healthy. Not a bad roll of the dice

[coffdogg]

I don't see how the Rams don't go Bradford at this point. He's the guy.

BTW, completely OT, but this first team to pick shouldn't get time on the clock. They have been on the clock for 3 or 4 months already. When the clock strikes 7:30p, they should have to have the pick in the commissioner's hand.I have been saying that for years. It is a waste of time. Or how about when the guy is signed and the Commish comes out and says his welcome and then goes backstage and comes back a few minutes later to tell us what everyone knew days prior:devil2:

[LATrueRedskin]

Fair enough, but if Bradford's unwillingness to sign a contract pre-draft was enough of an issue to be a potential deal breaker for them, it would be clear. The Lions were briefly considering Okung on monday and the whole NFL world knew it along with the Rams unable to keep their trade feelers for the #1 pick quiet(even though they're not much more than feelers). If they were considering Suh because Bradford was unwilling to sign a deal, it probably would have been the lead on Sportscenter tonight.

I still don't see why it has to be clear. The Rams don't have to tell anything to anybody, and apparently they haven't. The hint the Lions dropped about taking Suh is very vague to say the least. The odds are that the Rams will probably take Bradford, but I don't think it's a slam dunk. I think it's far from a slam dunk.

I don't see how the Rams don't go Bradford at this point. He's the guy.

Signability, possibility of a trade, or a ton of needs before QB. They could still trade for Campbell, heck maybe even Ben Roethilsberger. I'm sure the fans want a sexy pick in Bradford over an industrial pick in Suh, but they'll be pissed if Bradford doesn't sign and is a holdout in training camp. That would be a franchise-crushing blow. Maybe they got rid of Carriker in order to clear way for Suh? Maybe not. Who knows. That's my point. I haven't heard anything from the Rams that would indicate that Bradford is their guy for sure.

[akhhorus]

I still don't see why it has to be clear. The Rams don't have to tell anything to anybody, and apparently they haven't.

The Rams don't, but Suh(and his agents) are elements they can't control. Who do you think leaked in 2005 that the skins traded with Denver because they wanted Campbell? It was Campbell and his agent(who was buddies with Pastabelly). As for this year, the Rams' intentions have been leaking like old plumbing in Afghanistan all throughout the draft process, I don't think that they could keep a nugget as large as Suh in the mix legitimately quiet for longer than 5 minutes lol.

The hint the Lions dropped about taking Suh is very vague to say the least. The odds are that the Rams will probably take Bradford, but I don't think it's a slam dunk. I think it's far from a slam dunk.

I guess we'll see. If I was betting a body part, I would bet that Bradford is going 1 to someone lol.

[shally]

Don't think you can call him a bust. he had a good rookie year and was injured all of last year. Remember Spaghomo wasn't there when he was drafted

that is true.. but he sure is a poor fit for the scheme that Spagshomo is running or they wouldnt have dumped him so cheaply

[shally]

The Rams don't, but Suh(and his agents) are elements they can't control. Who do you think leaked in 2005 that the skins traded with Denver because they wanted Campbell? It was Campbell and his agent(who was buddies with Pastabelly). As for this year, the Rams' intentions have been leaking like old plumbing in Afghanistan all throughout the draft process, I don't think that they could keep a nugget as large as Suh in the mix legitimately quiet for longer than 5 minutes lol.



I guess we'll see. If I was betting a body part, I would bet that Bradford is going 1 to someone lol.

agree.. especially since the Rams, at this point, dont have a viable option at QB

[redskin_rich]

just to throw it out there before someone else does, how about the #9 pick in the 05 draft. (CR-LOL)

I do think the skins got the better end of the deal, But even though he was rated high in 07 doesnt mean that he will turn out to be somebody.

I hate to have to defend Carlos here but he has been a starter since being drafted. If he could catch, he might have a made a couple pro bowls. He has spent most of his career in a poorly designed coverage scheme with little pass rush.

[shally]

I hate to have to defend Carlos here but he has been a starter since being drafted. If he could catch, he might have a made a couple pro bowls. He has spent most of his career in a poorly designed coverage scheme with little pass rush.

+1

perhaps with some pressure in front of him he will look far better ? if they can manage to keep him..

[akhhorus]

I hate to have to defend Carlos here but he has been a starter since being drafted. If he could catch, he might have a made a couple pro bowls. He has spent most of his career in a poorly designed coverage scheme with little pass rush.

ProFootballWeekly(I can find the link if need be) said that Rogers' problem, at least according to the scuttlebutt in the league, is that he's lazy and only plays when he wants to. That would explain his continuing issues with his hands and his inability to improve them.

EDIT: http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/04/03/insider-seahawks-made-good-gamble-on-whitehurst

"(Redskins CBs) Fred Smoot, DeAngelo Hall and Carlos Rogers were awful last year. Rogers is talented, but he plays when he wants to.

[shally]

ProFootballWeekly(I can find the link if need be) said that Rogers' problem, at least according to the scuttlebutt in the league, is that he's lazy and only plays when he wants to. That would explain his continuing issues with his hands and his inability to improve them.

and yet he is a decent tackler... i think his hands are due to some kind of vision problem ?? i have NEVER seen anyone worse at making the easy interception

[BurgundyNGold]

I hate to have to defend Carlos here but he has been a starter since being drafted. If he could catch, he might have a made a couple pro bowls. He has spent most of his career in a poorly designed coverage scheme with little pass rush.
He was the 3rd corner off the board in a draft that saw 3 go in the top 10. Pac Man isn't in the league, Rolle isn't a CB anymore and Rogers has hands and brain of stone. What a crappy draft for CBs that was lol.

Carlos was a reach at 9. If you know what you know about Carlos, do you even spend a 1st rounder on him? Tough question, but I'd have to say no.

[redskin_rich]

+1

perhaps with some pressure in front of him he will look far better ? if they can manage to keep him..

Don't know, his dropsies are beyond frustrating and I don't know if that will ever change. I was just making the point that he wasn't a bust, by any measure.

[BurgundyNGold]

and yet he is a decent tackler... i think his hands are due to some kind of vision problem ?? i have NEVER seen anyone worse at making the easy interception
Again with the "vision problem" thing lol. Why can't it just be a "he sucks" thing? ;)

[shally]

Don't know, his dropsies are beyond frustrating and I don't know if that will ever change. I was just making the point that he wasn't a bust, by any measure.

if they can keep him i think he will be better this year because :

more pressure in front of him

one more year removed from ACL repair

personally, i would have his vision and psychomotor skills tested out the wazzoo.. i think something is not quite right with him

[redskin_rich]

He was the 3rd corner off the board in a draft that saw 3 go in the top 10. Pac Man isn't in the league, Rolle isn't a CB anymore and Rogers has hands and brain of stone. What a crappy draft for CBs that was lol.

Carlos was a reach at 9. If you know what you know about Carlos, do you even spend a 1st rounder on him? Tough question, but I'd have to say no.

If... If... What did Ken Beatrice used to say? "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, oh, what a party we would have!" lol

[akhhorus]

If... If... What did Ken Beatrice used to say? "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, oh, what a party we would have!" lol

I have a craving for Arby's suddenly.....

[BurgundyNGold]

If... If... What did Ken Beatrice used to say? "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, oh, what a party we would have!" lol
Well, that's true. But he also said that we should eat Bernie Streeter's curly fries at Arby's -- even though he never ate curly fries, didn't like curly fries but was told they're very good.

[redskin_rich]

Well, that's true. But he also said that we should eat Bernie Streeter's curly fries at Arby's -- even though he never ate curly fries, didn't like curly fries but was told they're very good.

He had a heart condition and curly fries were a no-no, according to his Dr. But he could have one Jamocha milkshake per month and it was always delicious.

[BurgundyNGold]

He had a heart condition and curly fries were a no-no, according to his Dr. But he could have one Jamocha milkshake per month and it was always delicious.
LMAO. I'm kicking myself for not working that in lol.

[LATrueRedskin]

The Rams don't, but Suh(and his agents) are elements they can't control. Who do you think leaked in 2005 that the skins traded with Denver because they wanted Campbell? It was Campbell and his agent(who was buddies with Pastabelly). As for this year, the Rams' intentions have been leaking like old plumbing in Afghanistan all throughout the draft process, I don't think that they could keep a nugget as large as Suh in the mix legitimately quiet for longer than 5 minutes lol.



I guess we'll see. If I was betting a body part, I would bet that Bradford is going 1 to someone lol.


Yes, the good thing is we'll find out in 2 days. Either way it'll be exciting to watch.

[shally]

Yes, the good thing is we'll find out in 2 days. Either way it'll be exciting to watch.

really.. this whole pre draft month has taken too much time to unwind

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I checked out the Rams board to get some reaction. As you probably guessed, it was mostly negative in what they got back.

I had to share this comment below. Perhaps it is my sick sense of humor, but it is still making me smile ten minutes later.

Can we change the title of the thread to "Rams wake up in bathtub full of ice without kidney or Adam Carriker?"

http://realramsfans.com/viewtopic.php?t=55937&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[redskin_rich]

Can we change the title of the thread to "Rams wake up in bathtub full of ice without kidney or Adam Carriker?"



Is that a Lost reference? Regardless, I love it. It's nice to be on the bargain end for a change. I can't help but think that the old front office would have given up next year's 2nd round pick, this year's 5th and the next born son of a Skins season ticket holder..

[Arkangiest]

I checked out the Rams board to get some reaction. As you probably guessed, it was mostly negative in what they got back.

I had to share this comment below. Perhaps it is my sick sense of humor, but it is still making me smile ten minutes later.

Can we change the title of the thread to "Rams wake up in bathtub full of ice without kidney or Adam Carriker?"

http://realramsfans.com/viewtopic.php?t=55937&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0



Hahahaha! I have literally been reading their board for the past hour just LOLing over and over at some of their reactions.

[Hr fan]

The trade for Adam Carriker is complete and puzzling. We drop 20+ slots in the 5th round and rise 3 spots in the 7th. This is giving away a player who was drafted 13th, showed something in 2007-2008, and spent all of 2009 on IR. It is said that the Rams misused Carriker as a 4-3 DT, when he is a natural 3-4 DE. Is this move really as good as it looks? Why did the Rams give him away? Who on the current roster is most threatened for PT by his arrtival?

[fent]

Did you not see the million-page Carriker thread 4 threads down?

[Hr fan]

Did you not see the million-page Carriker thread 4 threads down?

Nope. Missed it. Will delete after you ahve had time to accept my apologies.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

got this this morning from bleacher.

Now that they have their end of the deal worked out the Rams could start chipping away at the demands of the Redskins to land Haynesworth. It's extremely possible that talks of this matter died down and ended for good with the Carriker deal, but a trade for Haynesworth could allow the Rams to pass on a stud defensive tackle with the top overall pick in this year's draft, and draft Sam Bradford instead.

There still remains the slight possibility that the Rams could trade their top pick and another mid-to-late-round pick for Washington's first-round pick and Albert Haynesworth. If this deal were to work out, it's likely the Rams would also have to include some money to help pay back what the Redskins have already spent on Haynesworth.

If the two teams want to get really tricky, they could swap first-round picks, along with Haynesworth and Clinton Portis for Steven Jackson, another member of the Rams who has been rumored to be open to a trade.

Other teams that could express interest: Tampa Bay, Kansas City
swapping portis for jackson would be smart,in my view.this is his last year in dc,at least we could get something for him.

[shally]

got this this morning from bleacher.


swapping portis for jackson would be smart,in my view.this is his last year in dc,at least we could get something for him.


i dont see the Jackson trade to the Skins happening at all

[nicefellow31]

If... If... What did Ken Beatrice used to say? "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, oh, what a party we would have!" lol

I have a craving for Arby's suddenly.....

He had a heart condition and curly fries were a no-no, according to his Dr. But he could have one Jamocha milkshake per month and it was always delicious.

Well, that's true. But he also said that we should eat Bernie Streeter's curly fries at Arby's -- even though he never ate curly fries, didn't like curly fries but was told they're very good.

Bwahahahaha. Thanks guys. Oh the days of the great Ken Beatrice on WMAL. I remember him always talking about some guy running a "four five forty." 432-WMAL!

[smoak]

Merged.

[BurgundyNGold]

The more I think about this, the more I think that, worst case, we swapped 5th traded for Brandon Noble redux. That's not a bad deal, if he can stay healthy.

[Hr fan]

The time allowed for the first choice is a reflection of law suit corthouse steps type deals. There is plenty of talk, and if the Rams weren't listening they would have signed Bradford before now.

[whiskeytown]

yea, i dont mind giving the #1 team that 15 minutes. sure they've been on the clock for months, but teams considering trading up might have been waiting to see how the first part of the spring offseason played out etc.... once that 15 minutes starts, teams can submit their final offers to the rams.

[akhhorus]

got this this morning from bleacher.


swapping portis for jackson would be smart,in my view.this is his last year in dc,at least we could get something for him.

Does the Bleacher report just hire writers who've suffered recent head injuries? Why would either team make either deal?

[Skins7ny]

LMAO. I'm kicking myself for not working that in lol.
"The media guide lists him at 6'2", but I am telling you he is 6'0" standing on his tippy-toes."
"Are you a regular Sportscall listener?"
"Were you with me last Thursday? I had him on last Thursday"
"Bye now!"

just to throw it out there before someone else does, how about the #9 pick in the 05 draft. (CR-LOL)

I do think the skins got the better end of the deal, But even though he was rated high in 07 doesnt mean that he will turn out to be somebody. Reminds me of the Erasumus James traded from a couple of years ago. Getting a DE drafted in the 10s who had a good rookie year but has underacheived because of injury, coming off a year of inactivity due to to injury and rehab. The difference here (besides their very different styles of play) is that Carriker appears to be much more dedicated to football than James was. But it is all going to come down to health-if Carriker can stay healthy, this is a good trade. If he cannot, whatever we paid was wasted. Given Carriker's pedigree and his perfect fit in our 3-4 scheme as a LDE, it is a risk worth taking. However, I hope our team doctors checked him out medically before we made the trade.

[shally]

The more I think about this, the more I think that, worst case, we swapped 5th traded for Brandon Noble redux. That's not a bad deal, if he can stay healthy.

good analogy.. i think Noble would have been a solid player for us had he not wrecked a knee and then gotten a staph infection.. one of the few ex-cowboys that i liked

[shally]

Does the Bleacher report just hire writers who've suffered recent head injuries? Why would either team make either deal?

agree.. that one is simply brain-dead

[Skins7ny]

Does the Bleacher report just hire writers who've suffered recent head injuries? Why would either team make either deal? I don't think the Rams are trading Steven Jackson-he is their entire offense right now. And a young QB's best friend is his star running back.

But if Devaney traded Jackson even-up for Portis, he would never sniff a prime front office job again. That would be beyond stupid. For lots of reasons.

[Skins7ny]

good analogy.. i think Noble would have been a solid player for us had he not wrecked a knee and then gotten a staph infection.. one of the few ex-cowboys that i liked +1. He was a good player, it was a shame he got injured. One of the only ex-Cowboys who was likeable. Last I heard, he was coaching LBers at a college somewhere.

[fent]

I don't think the Rams are trading Steven Jackson-he is their entire offense right now. And a young QB's best friend is his star running back.

But if Devaney traded Jackson even-up for Portis, he would never sniff a prime front office job again. That would be beyond stupid. For lots of reasons.

Agreed 100%. I don't see any way the Rams give up Jackson. They should send him to a potential championship team before his legs fall off so he can actually accomplish something, but they won't.

[Oregonian]

Portis for Stephen Jackson?

Can't see that happening, but that would be a huge upgrade.

Jackson has been carrying that team on his back for at least 2 years and he is one of the best players in the game, IMO.

Of course, he's probably about due to fall off the running back cliff of sudden washed-upness, given all the carries and other touches he's had, especially with his violent running style.

[akhhorus]

I don't think the Rams are trading Steven Jackson-he is their entire offense right now. And a young QB's best friend is his star running back.

Exactly. The Pats wanted Jackson pretty badly last offseason and the Rams wouldn't even listen to deals.

But if Devaney traded Jackson even-up for Portis, he would never sniff a prime front office job again. That would be beyond stupid. For lots of reasons.

Okay, but that wasn't the rumor. Haynesworth+Portis+#4 for Jackson+#1. Absurd on the face of it. If the Skins were determined to dump Portis, they wouldn't deal for another big name Rb to team with LJ and Parker, they would use him to fill another need(or pick up draft picks) and go with LJ+Parker+Rookie RB.

This all being said, I could buy Haynesworth going to St Louis after the first round concludes. Maybe for their 2nd(and something else) if we threw in Andre Carter.

[BurgundyNGold]

yea, i dont mind giving the #1 team that 15 minutes. sure they've been on the clock for months, but teams considering trading up might have been waiting to see how the first part of the spring offseason played out etc.... once that 15 minutes starts, teams can submit their final offers to the rams.
They couldn't do that the day before? Or at any time before, say, 7:00p Thursday evening?

[shally]

Exactly. The Pats wanted Jackson pretty badly last offseason and the Rams wouldn't even listen to deals.



Okay, but that wasn't the rumor. Haynesworth+Portis+#4 for Jackson+#1. Absurd on the face of it. If the Skins were determined to dump Portis, they wouldn't deal for another big name Rb to team with LJ and Parker, they would use him to fill another need(or pick up draft picks) and go with LJ+Parker+Rookie RB.

This all being said, I could buy Haynesworth going to St Louis after the first round concludes. Maybe for their 2nd(and something else) if we threw in Andre Carter.

Spagnuolo is just arrogant enough to think he can control Haynesworth

[akhhorus]

Spagnuolo is just arrogant enough to think he can control Haynesworth

Works for me if we can get that pick at the top of the 2nd.



Reminds me of the Erasumus James traded from a couple of years ago. Getting a DE drafted in the 10s who had a good rookie year but has underacheived because of injury, coming off a year of inactivity due to to injury and rehab. The difference here (besides their very different styles of play) is that Carriker appears to be much more dedicated to football than James was. But it is all going to come down to health-if Carriker can stay healthy, this is a good trade. If he cannot, whatever we paid was wasted. Given Carriker's pedigree and his perfect fit in our 3-4 scheme as a LDE, it is a risk worth taking. However, I hope our team doctors checked him out medically before we made the trade.


We really didn't give up anything for him. We swapped down in the 5th round and up in the 7th. Carriker can fall into a chipper-shredder tomorrow and the skins aren't out anything frankly.

[shally]

Works for me if we can get that pick at the top of the 2nd.





We really didn't give up anything for him. We swapped down in the 5th round and up in the 7th. Carriker can fall into a chipper-shredder tomorrow and the skins aren't out anything frankly.


exactly.. that is the type of trade we should be making.. bigtime potential upside, with almost no risk

[Fathead]

exactly.. that is the type of trade we should be making.. bigtime potential upside, with almost no risk



Trades like this require a sucker, though, and there aren't too many of those in the NFL.

[shally]

Trades like this require a sucker, though, and there aren't too many of those in the NFL.

well, we found one..

seriously, because of the desire of so many teams to purge salary this year, i think any team that wants to take a risk and ADD salary is going to have a lot of potential trading partners

[Fathead]

Not for free like this trade.


I'm just trying to wrap my head around the fact that we don't have the biggest sucker of all running our FO anymore.

[whiskeytown]

They couldn't do that the day before? Or at any time before, say, 7:00p Thursday evening?


they've been on the clock (and we've awaited the draft) for months... is that last 15 minutes really bothering you that much?

give them the same fair chance the other teams have: ok, time's up, we haven't traded the pick yet, what's your final offer?

[BurgundyNGold]

Trades like this require a sucker, though, and there aren't too many of those in the NFL.
Apparently, there's one less sucker in the league this year. ;)

they've been on the clock (and we've awaited the draft) for months... is that last 15 minutes really bothering you that much?
All things stupid bother me and giving a team who has effectively been on the clock since the first week of January another 15 minutes is a stupid waste of everybody's time.

give them the same fair chance the other teams have: ok, time's up, we haven't traded the pick yet, what's your final offer?
Again, they have that chance. They (or the league) can tell the other 31 teams that they have until 5:00p or 6:00p or 7:00p to submit their final offer. The Rams could then mull it for the balance of the time before the start of the draft, 7:30p, which is when their pick is due. If they make a trade, I have no problem giving the new team 15 minutes.

[whiskeytown]

All things stupid bother me and giving a team who has effectively been on the clock since the first week of January another 15 minutes is a stupid waste of everybody's time.


and yet you're still spending the time to type out a debate over a complete non-issue.

Again, they have that chance. They (or the league) can tell the other 31 teams that they have until 5:00p or 6:00p or 7:00p to submit their final offer. The Rams could then mull it for the balance of the time before the start of the draft, 7:30p, which is when their pick is due. If they make a trade, I have no problem giving the new team 15 minutes.

how bout you just turn on your TV at 7:44.

[Keino]

+1. He was a good player, it was a shame he got injured. One of the only ex-Cowboys who was likeable. Last I heard, he was coaching LBers at a college somewhere.

Well he was a life-long Skins fan before he ever played a down in Dallas.

[BurgundyNGold]

and yet you're still spending the time to type out a debate over a complete non-issue.
A lot of people think it's stupid, so it's hardly a "non-issue".

how bout you just turn on your TV at 7:44.
Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it. Ask Vinny about that.

[whiskeytown]

A lot of people think it's stupid, so it's hardly a "non-issue".


Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it. Ask Vinny about that.


really doesn't strike me as a problem. it's 15 minutes. gives the talking heads a chance to recap the Rams needs, talk about the potential top picks... and if their phone isn't ringing, maybe they make the pick after 7 minutes. what is the big deal?

[akhhorus]

really doesn't strike me as a problem. it's 15 minutes. gives the talking heads a chance to recap the Rams needs, talk about the potential top picks... and if their phone isn't ringing, maybe they make the pick after 7 minutes. what is the big deal?

There's no way teams have 15 minutes each this year in the first round. That would conclude the first round around 3 am.

[whiskeytown]

There's no way teams have 15 minutes each this year in the first round. That would conclude the first round around 3 am.

oh yea, didn't they change it to 10 minutes?

i hope BnG can pass the time without flipping out and smashing his tv.

[Patrick]

First round was changed to 10 minutes this year.

[BurgundyNGold]

really doesn't strike me as a problem. it's 15 minutes. gives the talking heads a chance to recap the Rams needs, talk about the potential top picks... and if their phone isn't ringing, maybe they make the pick after 7 minutes. what is the big deal?
It's not a big deal, it's just stupid. Whether it's 1 minute, 10 or 15, it's still a pointless waste of time for millions of people.

[BurgundyNGold]

First round was changed to 10 minutes this year.
So, 3-1/2 months + 10 minutes. I still think it's unnecessary. Same with the first pick on Friday and Saturday, for that matter. Come prepared or don't come at all lol.

[BurgundyNGold]

oh yea, didn't they change it to 10 minutes?

i hope BnG can pass the time without flipping out and smashing his tv.
Yeah, that's an accurate characterization. :rolleyes:

[akhhorus]

oh yea, didn't they change it to 10 minutes?

i hope BnG can pass the time without flipping out and smashing his tv.

Quick advice: wait until you know people better before you make jokes like that.

[Patrick]

So, 3-1/2 months + 10 minutes. I still think it's unnecessary. Same with the first pick on Friday and Saturday, for that matter. Come prepared or don't come at all lol.
Oh - I don't disagree with you - I was just responding to Akh.
IMO - each team should be given 1 minute to make their choice. These teams have been scouting players for more than 9 months and in some cases years. The entire draft could be completed in 5 hours.

[Goskins11]

Wow we now have 67 DLs...soon to be 66 as I now believe AH is as good as gone...unless I am just crazy

i think Ah is gone too. Can't believe Snyder paid all that money for one season. What a fool!

[shally]

Oh - I don't disagree with you - I was just responding to Akh.
IMO - each team should be given 1 minute to make their choice. These teams have been scouting players for more than 9 months and in some cases years. The entire draft could be completed in 5 hours.

the actual reason for the time is to try and complete trades.. that and to fill air times for the networks so they can sell it to sponsors..

[BurgundyNGold]

Oh - I don't disagree with you - I was just responding to Akh.
IMO - each team should be given 1 minute to make their choice. These teams have been scouting players for more than 9 months and in some cases years. The entire draft could be completed in 5 hours.
Man, that would be utter chaos lol. May the best FO win. ;)