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Ibleedburgundy
07-13-2010, 04:06 PM
PARIS -- The French parliament's lower house enacted a sweeping but constitutionally vulnerable law Tuesday barring women from wearing full-face Islamic veils anywhere in public.

The National Assembly's 335-1 decision was scheduled for a vote in the Senate in September. If ratified, the law will make France the second Western European nation after Belgium to ban outright what has become the most prominent symbol of the growing Muslim presence across a continent steeped in traditions of secularism and Christianity.

Similar laws have been discussed, but not passed, in Spain, Italy, Switzerland and the Netherlands. In addition, a number of European cities have enacted municipal bans, prohibiting the veils in public buildings and imposing other restrictions.

Apparently by coincidence, France's nationwide ban advanced on the eve of Bastille Day, which marks the 1789 French Revolution that gave birth to the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen and helped enshrine France as a beacon for the respect of human rights.

The legislation imposed a $185 fine or citizenship lessons -- or both -- on women caught outside their homes wearing the full-face coverings known as a burqa in Afghanistan and a niqab in North Africa. It set a fine of $38,000 and a one-year prison term for anyone convicted of forcing women and girls to wear such veils, reflecting a widely shared conviction here that Muslim women are forced to cover their faces by their fathers or husbands.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/13/AR2010071301103.html?hpid=artslot

This strikes me as ill-advised. I agree that a man should not be able to force a woman to wear something over her face, but what if they actually want to because of their Religion?

RedskinsDave
07-13-2010, 04:10 PM
Nice to see someone is trying to help those folks out of the stone ages.

akhhorus
07-13-2010, 04:19 PM
Nice to see someone is trying to help those folks out of the stone ages.

I don't think this is the way to accomplish that. The idea of making it a municipal ban(can't wear it inside public buildings, driver's licenses, etc) is less confrontational imo, and will serve to break the use of this down the road. Banning it all together probably will serve to provoke a reaction.

Ibleedburgundy
07-13-2010, 04:20 PM
Nice to see someone is trying to help those folks out of the stone ages.

Sure, on the one hand, women's rights are lacking within certain cultures. But to answer that by infringing on Religious rights is probably not the best solution.

I would have thought the vote would be more venly divided though. 335-1, kind of makes you wonder why this didn't happen sooner.

RedskinsDave
07-13-2010, 04:34 PM
I don't think this is the way to accomplish that. The idea of making it a municipal ban(can't wear it inside public buildings, driver's licenses, etc) is less confrontational imo, and will serve to break the use of this down the road. Banning it all together probably will serve to provoke a reaction.

What kind of reaction?

Security always trumps religion to me. If nuns were completely covered and this could be a security issue, I would be for telling them they couldn't anymore.

akhhorus
07-13-2010, 04:38 PM
What kind of reaction?

It could serve to radicalize the French muslim population.

Security always trumps religion to me. If nuns were completely covered and this could be a security issue, I would be for telling them they couldn't anymore.

Except that Nuns are members of a religious order who choose the lifestyle(and aren't required to wear the robes everywhere they go).

RedskinsDave
07-13-2010, 04:45 PM
It could serve to radicalize the French muslim population.

That would prove a lot of people's points.

akhhorus
07-13-2010, 04:52 PM
That would prove a lot of people's points.

Much like poking a wasp's nest with a stick proves that wasps sting lol.

fent
07-13-2010, 07:48 PM
Much like poking a wasp's nest with a stick proves that wasps sting lol.

Birdie's still not recovered, so she doesn't appreciate you poking fun at her yet!

Keino
07-13-2010, 08:29 PM
Birdie's still not recovered, so she doesn't appreciate you poking fun at her yet!

Was his post a subtle jab? If so, well played.

shally
07-13-2010, 10:36 PM
It could serve to radicalize the French muslim population.



Except that Nuns are members of a religious order who choose the lifestyle(and aren't required to wear the robes everywhere they go).

their faces are visible however..