3 Bootlegs

[PennSkinsFan]

What is up with George Edwards and the defensive scheme, getting burned on three bootlegs. Was he sent to school today bu Gruden or what?

['SkinsSouth]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
What is up with George Edwards and the defensive scheme, getting burned on three bootlegs. Was he sent to school today bu Gruden or what?

I'm still pissed about the bootleg plays.... Incredible!

[Spence]

That was part of it, Mark, but there was more. I know everyone hates it when I point out when Lavar makes a mistake, but he was out of position a lot today. I think Gruden saw that play the Giants ran to FB Jim Finn in overtime--the play where Lavar was out of position. He was doing the same thing today. He loves this defense because "it let's me play the way I want to play." Maybe Marvin Lewis knows a thing or two about Lavar. He's not smart enough to know where he should be.

[BigCountry]

He's no Derrick Brooks or Zach Thomas in terms of being able to read plays, niether is Trotter. There's a reason why Armstead is usually in position alot more often.

[ShaggySkins]

I'm still trying to figure out who the hell Yoder is!!!!!!

[Green-Is-Good]

:lol3:

Me too Shaggy

[JoeDaSchmoe]

It was pointed out at least once that the bootlegging TE was Bailey's responsibility, not LaVar's.

[Emmanouel8]

Originally posted by ShaggySkins
I'm still trying to figure out who the hell Yoder is!!!!!!

I think was a Jedi master or something...

The answer to the bootleg question according to Spurrier is in the 980 am thread.

[Redbeard]

Originally posted by Spence
That was part of it, Mark, but there was more. I know everyone hates it when I point out when Lavar makes a mistake, but he was out of position a lot today. I think Gruden saw that play the Giants ran to FB Jim Finn in overtime--the play where Lavar was out of position. He was doing the same thing today. He loves this defense because "it let's me play the way I want to play." Maybe Marvin Lewis knows a thing or two about Lavar. He's not smart enough to know where he should be.

I love La Var to death & still think your probably right. LaVar might not have liked it, but maybe Marvin Lewis provided the reigns La Var needed. Whether LaVar is "happier" or not, he sure looked better under Marvin.

I guess some fans are sensitive, but I think LaVar is still improving. If he could get the smarts together that Armsteads has, he would move on to a whole new level.

[Spence]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
It was pointed out at least once that the bootlegging TE was Bailey's responsibility, not LaVar's. I've seen the contrary pointed out. I don't see how it could be Champ's responsibility. The wideouts are still running patterns when Johnson rolls out towards the sideline. Is Champ expected to cover the wideout and the tight end, as well? That's absurd. Not even Champ can cover two guys at once. Those plays Tampa ran were essentially the same as the Finn pattern the Giants ran in overtime against us and I recall Lavar taking responsibility for that one. I also heard him take responsibility for the Tampa mistakes on The John Thompson Show.

[SkinsCT]

I think the defensive scheme is to blame for the loss on Sunday. I know that Spurrier got way too cautious in the second half and deviated from his somewhat successful play-calling from the first half; however, Edwards did not do an effective job at applying any pressure on Brad Johnson, and this resulted in time to roll out and find the open man, much like he did on those three occasions.

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by Spence
That was part of it, Mark, but there was more. I know everyone hates it when I point out when Lavar makes a mistake, but he was out of position a lot today. I think Gruden saw that play the Giants ran to FB Jim Finn in overtime--the play where Lavar was out of position. He was doing the same thing today. He loves this defense because "it let's me play the way I want to play." Maybe Marvin Lewis knows a thing or two about Lavar. He's not smart enough to know where he should be.

Yeah, I'm begining to think George should revoke the freedom the linebackers have at freelancing until they prove they can handle their roles.

[lakewinola]

Originally posted by Spence
I've seen the contrary pointed out. I don't see how it could be Champ's responsibility. The wideouts are still running patterns when Johnson rolls out towards the sideline. Is Champ expected to cover the wideout and the tight end, as well? That's absurd. Not even Champ can cover two guys at once. Those plays Tampa ran were essentially the same as the Finn pattern the Giants ran in overtime against us and I recall Lavar taking responsibility for that one. I also heard him take responsibility for the Tampa mistakes on The John Thompson Show.


There wasn't any wideouts on champs side of the field. He dropped back into the corner of the end zone, and there wasn't a reciever within 10 yards of him. He should have picked up the tight end. On that one play he was in one of the most useless positions I've seen.

[Spence]

I must look at the tape again, lakewinola. I can't understand why Lavar would take responsibility for those plays if he was not responsible for them.

[Spence]

Originally posted by hail2skins
Yeah, I'm begining to think George should revoke the freedom the linebackers have at freelancing until they prove they can handle their roles. That's my thinking, too, H2S. As soon as a player says he loves the freedom a new system gives him, I start to wonder. Most players are not capable of free-lancing very much during a football game. That's why they have coaches.

[PennSkinsFan]

But revoking freedome has downfalls to, such as, the Armstead sfatey woudl have never happened. That was a classic case of Armstead being allowed to have the freedome to think, execute quickly, and take a risk. It's a give/give. I am coming down on the side of revoking freedom to wander as well, but, like i said, it has its drawbacks, especially with the caliber of Lbs we have here.

[Keino]

I think you can revoke the freedom and still let them have it. "If you freelance out of the scheme then you BETTER make the play". That was always Petibon's approach.....

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by Keino
I think you can revoke the freedom and still let them have it. "If you freelance out of the scheme then you BETTER make the play". That was always Petibon's approach.....

Yep, that's Edwards approach as well. Maybe a modified approach of only one having that ability on a given play. I wonder what ol Petibon is up to. I'm really surprised no one has hire him.

[rskinsfan10]

Well, from what I heard, on one of those plays where LaVar and Armstead both blitzed there was miscommunication as to who was supposed to blitz, so I for one am not ready to condemn LaVar for that one just yet. I love the guy maybe more then anyone else here, but if he isn't handling his assingments correctly then he needs to tighten that up, no question about it.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

A miscommunication would explain a bit. I'm hoping it was that infamous third and long play. You never, ever, ever blitz all of your linebackers. That's why backs run those little dink patterns.