Official 2010 College Football Season Thread [Archive]

Keino

09-02-2010, 02:47 PM

The only way it could get changed is if the BCS committee(which, again, is made up of the conferences) could make more money with a playoff. Or if the networks stopping bidding up the price of the BCS games. ESPN paid an extra 100 million for the games over 4 seasons.

This is more than likely true. My position is not predicated on what is possible, but rather what should happen.

I wasn't trying to turn this thread into our annual debate. I thought it would be funny to post the Mora clip and then keep it movin'. I won't detract any further from your thread with this stuff. We both know our minds aint a changin' on this point.

akhhorus

09-02-2010, 03:01 PM

This is more than likely true. My position is not predicated on what is possible, but rather what should happen.

I wasn't trying to turn this thread into our annual debate. I thought it would be funny to post the Mora clip and then keep it movin'. I won't detract any further from your thread with this stuff. We both know our minds aint a changin' on this point.

Not my thread. We can table this until Thanksgiving when its "Akh Pilgrim vs the world" on this topic.

Fathead

09-02-2010, 03:30 PM

Even if a playoff system is instituted next year, look up who the 2009 National Champion was. It'll say "Alabama."

http://www.ncaa.com/champ/index.html

akhhorus

09-02-2010, 03:39 PM

http://www.ncaa.com/champ/index.html

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football-fbs.html

2009 Alabama

CNYSkinFan

09-02-2010, 03:56 PM

Akh you sound like Ron Paul trying to argue Income tax is unconstitutional when you argue against a playoff. If your argument is the top team would win it anyway then what would be the harm in actually having an 8 or 16 game playoff.

Yes people will be left off and yes there will always be bitching, but it will be significantly less. No bubble team at #9 or #17 can make a legitimate case.

A playoff would be simple. All conferences must have a division title game. After the title games you take all teams with undefeated records into the playoffs. Then seed the rest on their bcs projections. Start in December and have 3-4 weeks of wonderful playoff football with a championship on the NFL wildcard playoff weekend.

akhhorus

09-02-2010, 04:19 PM

Akh you sound like Ron Paul trying to argue Income tax is unconstitutional when you argue against a playoff.

Except that I'm arguing for the accepted status quo. Y'all are more like Paul tilting at windmills frankly.

If your argument is the top team would win it anyway then what would be the harm in actually having an 8 or 16 game playoff.

I must have missed when that was my argument.

Yes people will be left off and yes there will always be bitching, but it will be significantly less. No bubble team at #9 or #17 can make a legitimate case.

Actually no, there would be more bitching. In the current system, there's 1 or 2 teams who bitch that they should have gotten in at most(and they're usually teams who play in a weak conference full of creampuffs that score badly on strength of schedule/quality wins, which kills their BCS rating). In an 8 team playoff, far more teams have a gripe about being excluded, for example: a 2 loss SEC team that didn't make the SEC title game because an undefeated SEC team in their division won the division being excluded for Montana Tech who won a conference full of nobodies. You can't make any case that the 2 loss SEC team should be out for some weak conference winner.

A playoff would be simple. All conferences must have a division title game. After the title games you take all teams with undefeated records into the playoffs. Then seed the rest on their bcs projections. Start in December and have 3-4 weeks of wonderful playoff football with a championship on the NFL wildcard playoff weekend.

There's 11 conferences in the FBS. 5 of them have no business being in the discussion for the national title because they don't have any(or much) talent. The Boise States and TCUs of the college world have no excuse for not joining a major conference after this spring full of conference shakeups when the major conferences were looking for teams to fill out their memberships(they won't because they'll go from 12 win teams to 4 win teams if they do that). There's only 4 conferences who are worth a damn: SEC, Pac10/12, Big 12/10 and Big10/12. A 4 team "And 1" system between their champions is fine with me(I've been discussing for as long as I've stated my position on this), but some 8 or 16 playoff will never happen unless something major changes in college football. No program or conference wants to have 4 more weeks of games just to win a title(which is why they banded together and created the BCS). And it will not change the bitching about being excluded. The same supposed smoke filled room that chooses the BCS title game teams will just choose who makes the playoffs.

Fathead

09-02-2010, 04:21 PM

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football-fbs.html

Selecting organization

Not a championship.

akhhorus

09-02-2010, 04:23 PM

Not a championship.

The AP and Coaches poll voted them National Champions. One of those doesn't have to pick the BCS winner as that(which is why Southern Cal shares a title with LSU).

Fathead

09-02-2010, 04:33 PM

The AP and Coaches poll voted them National Champions. One of those doesn't have to pick the BCS winner as that(which is why Southern Cal shares a title with LSU).

Voting means not a champ. This isn't American Idol. There is a reason why the championship page for the NCAA doesn't list FBS.

Keino

09-02-2010, 04:43 PM

Actually no, there would be more bitching. In the current system, there's 1 or 2 teams who bitch that they should have gotten in at most(and they're usually teams who play in a weak conference full of creampuffs that score badly on strength of schedule/quality wins, which kills their BCS rating). In an 8 team playoff, far more teams have a gripe about being excluded, for example: a 2 loss SEC team that didn't make the SEC title game because an undefeated SEC team in their division won the division being excluded for Montana Tech who won a conference full of nobodies. You can't make any case that the 2 loss SEC team should be out for some weak conference winner.

Under a 16 team proposal, such a team would in all probability receive an at-large bid to the playoffs and would therefore not be excluded at all.

There's 11 conferences in the FBS. 5 of them have no business being in the discussion for the national title because they don't have any(or much) talent. The Boise States and TCUs of the college world have no excuse for not joining a major conference after this spring full of conference shakeups when the major conferences were looking for teams to fill out their memberships(they won't because they'll go from 12 win teams to 4 win teams if they do that). There's only 4 conferences who are worth a damn: SEC, Pac10/12, Big 12/10 and Big10/12. A 4 team "And 1" system between their champions is fine with me(I've been discussing for as long as I've stated my position on this), but some 8 or 16 playoff will never happen unless something major changes in college football. No program or conference wants to have 4 more weeks of games just to win a title(which is why they banded together and created the BCS). And it will not change the bitching about being excluded. The same supposed smoke filled room that chooses the BCS title game teams will just choose who makes the playoffs.

Joining a conference isn't like joining the local YMCA. You have to be invited, and the financial compensation has to exceed what you are currently getting or it would be financially irresponsible.

All the issues you have raised are easily worked around. You create an RPI or similar index and you still incorporate the polling system (including the Computer polls). The 8 at large teams under my proposal would be teams that deserve it and would not otherwise get a shot (The 2 loss SEC West team in your example...um for example) thereby increasing the pool of playoff teams. All we have currently is your opinion as to why these teams don't deserve a shot despite winning their division 1a conferences. If they truly don't then that would be readily apparent in the 1st two weeks of the playoffs.

In a 16-team playoff a team would have to beat 3 legitimate programs in 3 successive weeks to make the title game which effectively kills the "they don't play anyone" argument.

BigCountry

09-02-2010, 07:29 PM

AKH what's your take on SC this year? Jeffery looks like a Brandon Marshall clone and Lattimore is looking good so far. On defense there may not be a handful of secondaries that are better (Gilmore, Holloman and Culliver may all end up being first round picks) but they're not ranked. I think they'd at least be in the running in any other BCS conference.

akhhorus

09-03-2010, 07:07 AM

Voting means not a champ. This isn't American Idol. There is a reason why the championship page for the NCAA doesn't list FBS.

The NCAA page doesn't list any titles between 1951-the start of the BCS, I guess those are invalid also? And the titles they do list are from the AP and UPI polls, so voting does matter.

Under a 16 team proposal, such a team would in all probability receive an at-large bid to the playoffs and would therefore not be excluded at all.

If they were the 3rd team in the SEC, probably not.

Joining a conference isn't like joining the local YMCA. You have to be invited, and the financial compensation has to exceed what you are currently getting or it would be financially irresponsible.

You cannot tell me that the Pac-10 would pass on Boise State if they wanted in. Or if Texas et al left the Big 12, that they wouldn't take Boise/TCU/etc to replace them(or wouldn't take them now to replace Nebraska/Colorado).

All the issues you have raised are easily worked around. You create an RPI or similar index and you still incorporate the polling system (including the Computer polls).

Kind of like the way the BCS is set up? lmao

The 8 at large teams under my proposal would be teams that deserve it and would not otherwise get a shot (The 2 loss SEC West team in your example...um for example) thereby increasing the pool of playoff teams. All we have currently is your opinion as to why these teams don't deserve a shot despite winning their division 1a conferences. If they truly don't then that would be readily apparent in the 1st two weeks of the playoffs.

An 8 conference winner system excludes 3 FBS conference winners also. None of those minor conference winners deserve a shot at any playoff system(much less the BCS status quo) until they put together a real schedule. And its not just my opinion, these teams are rightfully penalized in the current system for playing their ridiculously soft schedules. If any conference winner gets into the playoffs, then major teams are going to start their own conferences full of creampuffs just so that they have an automatic clear path to the playoffs.

AKH what's your take on SC this year? Jeffery looks like a Brandon Marshall clone and Lattimore is looking good so far. On defense there may not be a handful of secondaries that are better (Gilmore, Holloman and Culliver may all end up being first round picks) but they're not ranked. I think they'd at least be in the running in any other BCS conference.

Ask me after next week. If they beat Georgia, then they're an SEC East contender. They have the talent, but the question is if they can protect Garcia and stop the run. They're supposedly close to getting the #1 prospect in the country to commit.

NCskinsfanatic

09-03-2010, 11:42 AM

The Gamecocks looked awfully tough in their opener, should be interesting to see if my WolfPack has made any strides under O'Brien this offseason; first game is tomorrow.

Patrick

09-03-2010, 06:00 PM

The Gamecocks looked awfully tough in their opener, should be interesting to see if my WolfPack has made any strides under O'Brien this offseason; first game is tomorrow. Agree, but still haven't got a read on their QB. Akh - what's the skinny on him?

Patrick

09-03-2010, 06:01 PM

Agree, but still haven't got a read on their QB. Akh - what's the skinny on him? He looked pretty good but what about his arm strength?

akhhorus

09-03-2010, 06:03 PM

Agree, but still haven't got a read on their QB. Akh - what's the skinny on him?

He looked pretty good but what about his arm strength?

Well, Patrick and Patrick, Garcia was a top recruit a few years back, but then he turned into a headcase and was suspended multiple times. He's got the tools, but his problem was that he would freeze when rushed and alternate between "effective" and "turnover machine." Spurrier rode his ass on spring ball and was effusive about this freshman they brought in(Connor Shaw, who played last night also). Apparently it worked and Garcia has fixed a lot of his problems(so far).

Patrick

09-03-2010, 06:07 PM

Well, Patrick and Patrick, Garcia was a top recruit a few years back, but then he turned into a headcase and was suspended multiple times. He's got the tools, but his problem was that he would freeze when rushed and alternate between "effective" and "turnover machine." Spurrier rode his ass on spring ball and was effusive about this freshman they brought in(Connor Shaw, who played last night also). Apparently it worked and Garcia has fixed a lot of his problems(so far). lol ...... hit the wrong button........ next week should be a big test for him.

akhhorus

09-03-2010, 06:11 PM

lol ...... hit the wrong button........ next week should be a big test for him.

Yep. Whats killed the Cocks against UGA has been turnovers, if they can limit things to less than 2 turnovers, they should beat them.

Something else to chew on about SC: they suspended the starting CB, LT and LB last night right before the game.

Keino

09-03-2010, 06:31 PM

akhhorus

09-03-2010, 06:36 PM

Stephen Garcia, Robert Marve from Purdue and Aaron Murray from Georgia are all Tampa HS products. Garcia went to Jefferson and put up some ungodly numbers, which were only eclipsed that same season by Robert Marve at Plant HS. Murray succeeded Marve as the starter at Plant.

Plant runs a spread offense.

I am interested in watching all 3 of these guys.

I also have my eye on Jelani Jenkins who is likely going to start at Mike for Florida this year. He is a Mighty Good Counsel Falcon. Akeem Hebron was the best HS LB I ever saw but he was kicked off of Georgia's team last year for being a knucklehead.

Garcia is a knucklehead also, but Spurrier finally figured out that he's not a deep ball thrower, but is a 15-25 yard guy.

Btw, do you go see HS ball if there's a great prospect or team out there? When I lived down south, I would roll out for the HS games just to personally watch the top prospects in Charleston.

Keino

09-03-2010, 06:45 PM

Garcia is a knucklehead also, but Spurrier finally figured out that he's not a deep ball thrower, but is a 15-25 yard guy.

Btw, do you go see HS ball if there's a great prospect or team out there? When I lived down south, I would roll out for the HS games just to personally watch the top prospects in Charleston.

There are some fantastic HS prospects in this town, annually. I try to catch a game when I can, but for example, in 05 when Garcia's Jefferson played at Marve's Plant, tickets were sold out 2 days before the game.

I want to check out James Wilder, Jr. this year, a RB/LB prospect from Plant. Hopefully I will make it to the Plant-Armwood game, which, until Plant got blown out by Manatee-Bradenton last week, was featuring 2 nationally ranked schools.

High school football gets more ink than the Bucs here.

WarEagle

09-04-2010, 10:08 AM

The Alabama-San Jose game this evening is on PPV here for the sum of $135. Whew! I imagine fans are splitting the cost with their buds today. Sounds like a good plan.

Patrick

09-05-2010, 09:47 AM

So is this really a new era for ND. They looked good but I'll wait till next week to get excited about the Irish.

CarMike

09-05-2010, 09:37 PM

http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/999282.html

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. --- North Carolina’s associate head football coach John Blake resigned effective immediately on Sunday afternoon, according to school officials.

In a prepared press release, Blake said that it had become apparent over the past several weeks that his “presence has become a distraction” to his family and to the university. According to sources close to the situation, Blake has been a subject of the NCAA's agent investigation.

“I thank the Lord for the opportunity I have had to work with Butch Davis while at the University of North Carolina,” Blake said. “I have grown to love and respect the school, my fellow coaches, and the young men who have worked so diligently to improve both as students and as football players. That love and respect has led me to the conclusion that the best decision for all involved is for me to step aside at this time. I wish the players, the coaches, and the University all the best.”

Blake’s relationship with Davis goes back to the late-1970s when the current UNC head coach served as his high school biology teacher. They previously worked together as members of Jimmy Johnson's staff with the Dallas Cowboys. Blake joined the Dallas staff as defensive line coach after Davis was promoted to defensive coordinator in 1993.

Blake was in his fourth year as the defensive line coach and recruiting coordinator at North Carolina.
I hate to see this happen. The job he did last night with 2nd and 3rd stringers against LSU was something else. But, in the end like he said, he brought too much distraction to the university and football team. I'm sure he'll land on his feet where ever he goes forward.

But of luck to ya coach Blake.

akhhorus

09-05-2010, 09:51 PM

http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/999282.html

I hate to see this happen. The job he did last night with 2nd and 3rd stringers against LSU was something else. But, in the end like he said, he brought too much distraction to the university and football team. I'm sure he'll land on his feet where ever he goes forward.

But of luck to ya coach Blake.

Thats not good man. This might be leading to the dreaded "lack of institutional control" decision by the NCAA if coaches were hooking up players with agents.

SkinsKY

09-05-2010, 10:12 PM

Joker Philips started off his UK tenure with a win over the Filthy Cards. It's a solid win considering we started three OL who had no career starts, and a walk on DT.

We've got a much younger team this season, but we don't have Ark, Bama, and LSU this year, so it's probably the best conference draw we could ask for. I'm hoping to see 7 wins this season. Maybe 8 if our offense doesn't keep trying to shut up shop at half-time.

CarMike

09-06-2010, 08:06 AM

Thats not good man. This might be leading to the dreaded "lack of institutional control" decision by the NCAA if coaches were hooking up players with agents.

I really don't give a F any longer. I want this crap over and done with one way or another.

redbamaskins

09-06-2010, 12:09 PM

WarEagle

09-06-2010, 12:53 PM

after watching this weekends games, Alabama will go 14
and 0.
the sec looks down this year and is no threat to alabama
so an easy ride to atlanta, then another bsc championship game.it
does matter who bama plays, boise, ohio st, texas or whatsamattau.
back to back , and another title.

-Ingram might not be able to play vs. Penn St this weekend. Saban seemed concerned at his presser today but he could have been acting.
-Auburn's new QB Cam Newton played so well that he was being called the Black Tim Tebow on the radio today. Bama fans need to get nervous.
-Should be a delightful game tonight (Boise-VaTech) at some football field in Maryland...

NFCEAST

09-06-2010, 01:26 PM

HOPING TO SEE A GOOD GAME TONIGHT. TECH AND THE BRONCOS.

redbamaskins

09-06-2010, 05:27 PM

Patrick

09-06-2010, 06:58 PM

Hard to believe that Maryland beating Navy is an upset.

Lavar703

09-06-2010, 07:06 PM

I dont think I have ever seen FedEx field rock like that before, lets go Hokies

BigCountry

09-06-2010, 08:25 PM

Common sense fairy didn't visit Blacksburg this week apparently.

InsomniaKiller

09-06-2010, 10:04 PM

This game is bananas! The Hokies looked completely lost and outmatched the entire first quarter, and then just took over after that.

Currently up by 1 and driving. Tyrod Taylor has been spectacular. I was never that big a fan of the guy, but this game is converting me.

Absolutely great game. This has definitely put me in the mood for the football season.

CNYSkinFan

09-06-2010, 10:39 PM

Death ot the BCS!!! Viv la Revolucion!

shally

09-07-2010, 12:02 AM

Death ot the BCS!!! Viv la Revolucion!

right on !!!!

WarEagle

09-07-2010, 12:08 AM

War eagle, bama fans aren't going to get nervous becuase
Auburn defense is suspect,plus bama fans are to cocky to get nervous.
Cam did look good though(against ark st) let's see him Thursday night, then we will see if he is the black tim tebow.

13 working on 14

-I think the Miss State game on Thurs is an ESPN game. That's a real game, I agree.

-Nice to see FedEx host a game where there's no canned loud music. Just the school bands and natural crowd noise. Hope Boise St is out of the picture by Dec.

Patrick

09-07-2010, 07:02 AM

Awesome game - sorry about the outcome Hokie fans but you did yourselves proud with the way you represent !

Keino

09-07-2010, 06:33 PM

-I think the Miss State game on Thurs is an ESPN game. That's a real game, I agree.

-Nice to see FedEx host a game where there's no canned loud music. Just the school bands and natural crowd noise. Hope Boise St is out of the picture by Dec.

I heard the canned music they play at Fed-Ex last night.

dj_stouty

09-08-2010, 08:55 AM

Awesome game - sorry about the outcome Hokie fans but you did yourselves proud with the way you represent !

It was an awesome game; and at times both teams looked top quality. I can't say the same for their choice of uniforms; especially the Hokies. Yuck.

Hokie supporters continue to impress me with their passion for their team. As much as I hate to admit it, the "Enter the Sandman" entrance is pretty damn cool. I wish UVA fans had 1/10th of their energy. lol

And what a great showing for the Broncos supporters. There was a good amount of Blue at FedEx...and not just in the 4-5 sections between the 20 yard lines.

Sooooo...now we have Boise State and TCU both in the top 4 after beating ranked ACC and Pac10 teams. I hope they both go undefeated to make things interesting.

Patrick

09-08-2010, 02:14 PM

It was an awesome game; and at times both teams looked top quality. I can't say the same for their choice of uniforms; especially the Hokies. Yuck.

Hokie supporters continue to impress me with their passion for their team. As much as I hate to admit it, the "Enter the Sandman" entrance is pretty damn cool. I wish UVA fans had 1/10th of their energy. lol

And what a great showing for the Broncos supporters. There was a good amount of Blue at FedEx...and not just in the 4-5 sections between the 20 yard lines.

Sooooo...now we have Boise State and TCU both in the top 4 after beating ranked ACC and Pac10 teams. I hope they both go undefeated to make things interesting.
Please don't get Akh started :D .......Boise State vs Alabama .....YEAH BABY!

akhhorus

09-08-2010, 03:20 PM

Please don't get Akh started :D .......Boise State vs Alabama .....YEAH BABY!

I think we all can agree that nobody wants to have to sit through an 56-0 destruction of Boise State at the hands of Alabama lol

CarMike

09-08-2010, 03:26 PM

I think we all can agree that nobody wants to have to sit through an 56-0 destruction of Boise State at the hands of Alabama lol

If it means that we're done with bowl system, I'd be willing to watch it.

akhhorus

09-08-2010, 03:41 PM

If it means that we're done with bowl system, I'd be willing to watch it.

The Bowl system isn't going anywhere, not as long as the networks are bidding up the rights to broadcast them.

WarEagle

09-08-2010, 04:23 PM

I think we all can agree that nobody wants to have to sit through an 56-0 destruction of Boise State at the hands of Alabama lol

The Boise State Paradox has been the talk of the state on sports radio here. Overshadowing the Penn St visit to Tuscaloosa this Saturday, which is a damn shame. :(

Keino

09-08-2010, 06:40 PM

Go Penn State!

WarEagle

09-08-2010, 07:54 PM

Go Penn State!

Now that would be a nice gift for Paw-Paw Joe P. Mark Ingram is out, so Joe is already happy.

Patrick

09-09-2010, 06:46 AM

Now that would be a nice gift for Paw-Paw Joe P. Mark Ingram is out, so Joe is already happy. I would rather see Penn State upset Bama with Ingram playing ( if that were to happen)

nicefellow31

09-09-2010, 08:15 AM

The Boise State Paradox has been the talk of the state on sports radio here. Overshadowing the Penn St visit to Tuscaloosa this Saturday, which is a damn shame. :(

Do you listen to the Paul Finebaum show which I think originates out of Birmingham? I heard it on XM radio and some of the people who call in are down right scary and live up to the Southern stereotype.

WarEagle

09-09-2010, 10:06 AM

Do you listen to the Paul Finebaum show which I think originates out of Birmingham? I heard it on XM radio and some of the people who call in are down right scary and live up to the Southern stereotype.

I listen to Paul every afternoon. I know. There are some real pieces of work who call in.

WarEagle

09-09-2010, 11:10 PM

Aub beat Miss State. Whew! Glad they're outta there.

Patrick

09-10-2010, 11:49 AM

Aub beat Miss State. Whew! Glad they're outta there. :funpost:

cal_junior

09-11-2010, 01:51 PM

Miami quarterback Jacory Harris got off the bus yesterday before the walkthrough wearing a very Jim Tressel-like sweater vest/red tie combo.

Buckle-up, this could be fun:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2jg8hnk.jpg

WarEagle

09-11-2010, 03:13 PM

Va Tech upset by whom? Marks the end of the Boise St Paradox, I hope.

IHATEDALLAS'82'87'91

09-11-2010, 03:56 PM

Pouring down rain and 60 degree temperatures here in Blacksburg just to see my Hokies lose to a division I AA team. So unbelievable.

Skaggsrules

09-11-2010, 04:09 PM

J M U Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkkeeees ssss

Dolla Bill

09-11-2010, 06:40 PM

VT might end up 0-3, as they have ECU next week.

Btw, I have to post this joke before Akh swoops in and steals it:

How many batteries does it take to beat Virginia Tech?

I-AA

akhhorus

09-11-2010, 06:49 PM

VT might end up 0-3, as they have ECU next week.

Btw, I have to post this joke before Akh swoops in and steals it:

How many batteries does it take to beat Virginia Tech?

I-AA

Don't steal my joke that I stole from you.

BigCountry

09-11-2010, 07:47 PM

I don't see a running back in the country outside of Tuscalusa better then Marcus Lattimore. I think SC is the only team that comes within 10 points of Alabama.

Farmer Ted

09-12-2010, 05:13 AM

UVA's QB sucks donkey. They should've beaten USC.

WarEagle

09-13-2010, 04:52 PM

ESPN's Gameday will be at Auburn for the Clemson game on Sat night. The show was at Tuscaloosa this past weekend, so Finebaum thinks this is a cost savings move for ESPN. Strange game to feature.

Patrick

09-14-2010, 06:59 AM

This should be an interesting game for Maryland - I guess it could be considered a real measuring stick. WVA at their house - A VERY tough task.

nicefellow31

09-14-2010, 07:13 AM

This should be an interesting game for Maryland - I guess it could be considered a real measuring stick. WVA at their house - A VERY tough task.

Should be. I can't remember a succesful season at Maryland that doesn't include a win over WVA. Glad to see them back on the schedule for years to come.

Keino

09-14-2010, 10:39 AM

Boise State was the biggest loser this weekend and they didn't play a game. Good Job Va Tech.

Maybe The Citadel has an open spot on their schedule.

BTW. Nobody is beating Alabama this year.

Patrick

09-14-2010, 12:21 PM

Boise State was the biggest loser this weekend and they didn't play a game. Good Job Va Tech.

Maybe The Citadel has an open spot on their schedule.

BTW. Nobody is beating Alabama this year. I wouldn't go that far but then again I wouldn't bet against them either...

NFCEAST

09-14-2010, 02:59 PM

Boise State was the biggest loser this weekend and they didn't play a game. Good Job Va Tech.

Maybe The Citadel has an open spot on their schedule.

BTW. Nobody is beating Alabama this year.

I think the Razor Backs have a chance, if they can protect there Q.B. , keep it close. Florida is a maybe as well. Other than that, i don't see anyone beating Bama either.

Keino

09-15-2010, 03:55 PM

I think the Razor Backs have a chance, if they can protect there Q.B. , keep it close. Florida is a maybe as well. Other than that, i don't see anyone beating Bama either.

Florida has no chance if they continue to play the way they have. I'd give South Carolina a bigger chance than Florida at this point and if you knew me, You would know how much it pains me to make that admission in this thread.

akhhorus

09-15-2010, 04:01 PM

Florida has no chance if they continue to play the way they have. I'd give South Carolina a bigger chance than Florida at this point and if you knew me, You would know how much it pains me to make that admission in this thread.

Neither Florida or SC has much of a chance against Alabama. Florida doesn't have the offense, SC doesn't have the Dline to compete. Alabama will roll over them(again) on October 9th. Id be happy if they scored 14 points and kept it under a 20 point loss. The only goal I care about for SC is winning the SEC east. Its ripe for the taking this year.

No one's beating Alabama this year.

Keino

09-15-2010, 06:50 PM

Neither Florida or SC has much of a chance against Alabama. Florida doesn't have the offense, SC doesn't have the Dline to compete. Alabama will roll over them(again) on October 9th. Id be happy if they scored 14 points and kept it under a 20 point loss. The only goal I care about for SC is winning the SEC east. Its ripe for the taking this year.

No one's beating Alabama this year.

I still like their chances more than Florida's, but I agree....No one's beating Alabama this year.

WarEagle

09-15-2010, 08:37 PM

I still like their chances more than Florida's, but I agree....No one's beating Alabama this year.

Duke will, I hope, on Saturday afternoon on ABC television.

Keino

09-16-2010, 09:54 AM

Duke will, I hope, on Saturday afternoon on ABC television.

Good Luck with that.

NFCEAST

09-16-2010, 05:20 PM

Duke will, I hope, on Saturday afternoon on ABC television.

What about the Razor Backs ? Any chance at all ? I work with a lot of Tide fans, and that seems to be the one game that worries them.

Patrick

09-17-2010, 07:45 AM

NC State looked really good against Cincinnati Thursday night and Wilson has a heck of a gun.

WarEagle

09-17-2010, 01:04 PM

What about the Razor Backs ? Any chance at all ? I work with a lot of Tide fans, and that seems to be the one game that worries them.

I'll have to see how the 'Backs do in Athens tomorrow.

I read today that a bunch of Bammer fans are making the trip to Duke. They have a pretty small stadium (39,000). I can already smell that stank fouling the air.

Keino

09-17-2010, 01:22 PM

I'll have to see how the 'Backs do in Athens tomorrow.

I read today that a bunch of Bammer fans are making the trip to Duke. They have a pretty small stadium (39,000). I can already smell that stank fouling the air.

Yea I agree. Dukies Stink.

WarEagle

09-17-2010, 01:57 PM

Yea I agree. Dukies Stink.

LOL.

WarEagle

09-18-2010, 02:34 PM

Coach Cut in the house! My boy...

Patrick

09-18-2010, 06:44 PM

Terps lay a big turtle egg against WVA today.
Ralph please move up your retirement date ....2012 is way too long to wait.

Arkangiest

09-18-2010, 11:10 PM

Absolutley incredible game between MSU and Notre Dame! Man I am buzzing, what a way to finish the game. The little giants!!!!

Between The Skins beating the Cowboys and the Spartans tonight, this past week has been one of the best football weeks I can remember.

Patrick

09-19-2010, 07:28 AM

Week 3 and top 25 teams that really impressed me yesterday...
Alabama - running on all cylinders yesterday.
Boise St. - to prove they belong in the hunt have to blow teams away - and that's what they did
TCU - playing really good right now
Oregon - If Bama is looking over their shoulders, it better be at this team.
Nebraska - These guys believe they should be #1 and are playing with a chip on their shoulder.
Stanford- Interesting team but I think it's short lived with playing at ND and Oregon the next two weeks.
I suspect that the next two weeks we'll see many of the top 25 "undefeated" get knocked off but it's going to fun to watch.

WarEagle

09-19-2010, 11:53 PM

Farmer Ted

09-25-2010, 08:15 PM

I hope Ryan Mallet doesn't end up on the Skins. That guy blows.

NCskinsfanatic

09-26-2010, 10:16 AM

Patrick

09-26-2010, 10:39 AM

I hope Ryan Mallet doesn't end up on the Skins. That guy blows. Based on that game yesterday I would have to agree but one game doesn't make a guy's career. Still think he has some upside.

akhhorus

09-26-2010, 11:51 AM

I hope Ryan Mallet doesn't end up on the Skins. That guy blows.

He needs to stay in school. Most of his yards are coming from hitting wide open WRs. He ain't going to see that much in the NFL.

WarEagle

09-26-2010, 01:22 PM

My war eagle Cam Newton had another stunning performance in last night's win over South Carolina. He's a running man; hope he doesn't get hurt.

nicefellow31

09-26-2010, 02:29 PM

I'm loving my WolfPack right now, we've taken care of GT and Cincinnati pretty easily and GT's ground game was a real concern prior to yesterday. I dont pretend to think we're an elite program but it does appear that O'Brien is on the right track. Wilson has played himself into Heisman consideration. Game against VA Tech will be interesting.

He needs to stay in school. Most of his yards are coming from hitting wide open WRs. He ain't going to see that much in the NFL. I was going to say he is pretty good but you make a good point. Need to play better in critical situations.

My war eagle Cam Newton had another stunning performance in last night's win over South Carolina. He's a running man; hope he doesn't get hurt. That was a great game last night and Auburn has been in consecutive hard hitting games. S. Carolina is a good team, but Garcia comes up short again.

akhhorus

09-26-2010, 02:50 PM

My war eagle Cam Newton had another stunning performance in last night's win over South Carolina. He's a running man; hope he doesn't get hurt.

Eh. That game was more about SC mistakes than Newton. Garcia had 2 straight fumbles(one deep in SC territory, one when we were driving for a score) and the SC defense booted a fumble out of bounds on an auburn TD drive. Reverse any one of those and its much different game, Newton or not.

WarEagle

09-26-2010, 06:28 PM

Eh. That game was more about SC mistakes than Newton. Garcia had 2 straight fumbles(one deep in SC territory, one when we were driving for a score) and the SC defense booted a fumble out of bounds on an auburn TD drive. Reverse any one of those and its much different game, Newton or not.

I thought Garcia was playing like a stud until he hurt his neck and got his bell rung on that first fumble. He probably should've been pulled right there and sent for x-rays. But for some mistakes, SC played very well. They were on the road, and that never helps.

Patrick

09-27-2010, 06:41 AM

Well I don't know about you guys but I thought a couple of teams really stood out:
Oregon - they are a force
Stanford - pull off a win this week and they'll be a top 5 for sure.
Wisconsin - just a solid team.
Yeah I know - there were few other teams that did a good job but these were the ones I was impressed with .
Got to love the big matchups this weekend though -
Oregon vs Stanford (IMO - Oregon by 21 points :imshock: )
Florida vs Alabama (another tough one)
Oklahoma vs Texas (lost some luster cause of the Longhorn loss)

ryflan47

09-29-2010, 12:25 PM

Roll Tide!! (just this week)

Keino

09-29-2010, 03:19 PM

My war eagle Cam Newton had another stunning performance in last night's win over South Carolina. He's a running man; hope he doesn't get hurt.

Can you explain the "War Eagle" significance to Auburn. I simply don't get it. They are the Tigers and so the whole "War Eagle" thing throws me off.

CNYSkinFan

09-29-2010, 03:24 PM

Can you explain the "War Eagle" significance to Auburn. I simply don't get it. They are the Tigers and so the whole "War Eagle" thing throws me off.
apparently during one of their games an eagle circled the stadium and the crowd chanted wareagle and Auburn came back to win or something stupid like that

That and an Eagle and A Tiger had sex to create Pat Dye

akhhorus

09-29-2010, 03:28 PM

apparently during one of their games an eagle circled the stadium and the crowd chanted wareagle and Auburn came back to win or something stupid like that

That and an Eagle and A Tiger had sex to create Pat Dye

They hushed up the time Bo Jackson was caught in bed with a golden eagle.

At least SC is named after a Revolutionary war hero.

WarEagle

09-29-2010, 03:48 PM

Can you explain the "War Eagle" significance to Auburn. I simply don't get it. They are the Tigers and so the whole "War Eagle" thing throws me off.

War Eagle is really the fight song and "war cry" for the team. The fans seem to prefer it to Tigers, maybe because LSU and a zillion other teams are also the Tigers. The school says to never call the players War Eagles, but fans do it anyway. SEC says you can only have ONE official mascot.

The origin of WE is old and murky. There's a legend about it that I don't believe.

The Southeast Raptor Rehab Center has been at Aub's vet school for years, so someone got the bright idea to fly a real eagle before a game in the 90's, I think, and the WE tradition gained a new following. Alumni actually give money to the raptor center now.

Keino

09-29-2010, 04:04 PM

They hushed up the time Bo Jackson was caught in bed with a golden eagle.

At least SC is named after a Revolutionary war hero.

Wait, I thought a gamecock was a fighting rooster.

dj_stouty

09-29-2010, 04:10 PM

Wait, I thought a gamecock was a fighting rooster.

He is referring to General Thomas Sumter, who had the nickname Gamecock.

I had to google it. lol

akhhorus

09-29-2010, 04:11 PM

Wait, I thought a gamecock was a fighting rooster.

It is, but USC's nickname was in honor of Thomas Sumter, one of the Guerilla leaders during the Revolution(the most famous being Francis Marion, although the British were more scared of Sumter), who tied down Cornwallis in SC long enough to give Washington a chance to force him into a trap. Marion fought them around Charleston, Andrew Pickens fought them in the upstate and Sumter operated in the middle of the state around Columbia and Florence.

Sumter was known as the "Carolina Gamecock." He got the nickname from Cornwallis himself because he was very short(even for that time) and his guerilla band was regarded as the fiercest fighters. He was described as "fighting like a gamecock."

Keino

09-29-2010, 04:13 PM

He is referring to General Thomas Sumter, who had the nickname Gamecock.

I had to google it. lol

Ahhh. A war hero who got stranded in SC and subsequently imprisoned for his failure to pay his bills. LOL.*

*According to Wiki.

dj_stouty

09-29-2010, 04:15 PM

It is, but USC's nickname was in honor of Thomas Sumter, one of the Guerilla leaders during the Revolution(the most famous being Francis Marion, although the British were more scared of Sumter), who tied down Cornwallis in SC long enough to give Washington a chance to force him into a trap. Marion fought them around Charleston, Andrew Pickens fought them in the upstate and Sumter operated in the middle of the state around Columbia and Florence.

Sumter was known as the "Carolina Gamecock." He got the nickname from Cornwallis himself because he was very short(even for that time) and his guerilla band was regarded as the fiercest fighters. He was described as "fighting like a gamecock."

Although he was born in Virginia. ;)

akhhorus

09-29-2010, 04:16 PM

Although he was born in Virginia. ;)

Thank God he came to his senses and moved to a more sensible* state..

*sensible could be construed as "drunk," "armed," "crazy," and/or "violent."

Keino

09-29-2010, 04:17 PM

Although he was born in Virginia. ;)

Yea, but they locked him up. I would have moved out of that state too!

dj_stouty

09-29-2010, 04:20 PM

The dude was 98 when he died. Not sure I'd want to be in my late 90s in the early 1800s. lol

Keino

09-29-2010, 04:23 PM

Well I got a history lesson today. Gotta Love HR!

dj_stouty

09-30-2010, 07:43 AM

Well I got a history lesson today. Gotta Love HR!

Next week's history lesson will be dedicated to the Commodores of Vanderbilt; a nicknamed shared by Cornelius Vanderbilt whose charitable endowment led to the creation of the school in the early 1800s.

nicefellow31

09-30-2010, 09:58 PM

akhhorus

09-30-2010, 10:04 PM

I guess Sumter SC is named after the General as well.

And Sumter county.

Imagine if the nickname was in honor of Francis Marion. University of South Carolina Swamp Foxes.

Ugh, Marion is still beloved in Charleston(good bar at the FM hotel), but he was a brutal bastard. Sumter was tough, but didn't cross the lines that Marion did.

Keino

09-30-2010, 10:33 PM

Ironically, the first shot of the War of Southern Secession was fired at Fort Sumter.

WarEagle

09-30-2010, 10:58 PM

Tex A&M falls to a frenzied OK St team and stadium as time expired, 38-35. I think A&M perfected the art of male cheerleading. I root for them because the mascot of the Corps of Cadets is a collie.

akhhorus

10-01-2010, 07:00 AM

Ironically, the first shot of the War of Southern Secession was fired at Fort Sumter.

War of Northern Aggression. And the fort was named after him also.

Keino

10-01-2010, 08:49 AM

War of Southern Secession. And the fort was named after him also.

FFY

akhhorus

10-01-2010, 09:43 AM

FFY

Its "War of Southern Salvation" or "War of Northern Aggression."

Patrick

10-01-2010, 10:04 AM

STOP This isn't the fricken History Channel! (although I'll do appreciate any reference to a good bar in SC) :D
Tex A&M falls to a frenzied OK St team and stadium as time expired, 38-35. I think A&M perfected the art of male cheerleading. I root for them because the mascot of the Corps of Cadets is a collie. That was a great game and OK St got be taken seriously.

WarEagle

10-01-2010, 01:16 PM

A&M always seems to play tough even though they're hampered by being a quasi military school or something.

I wonder which Fla team will show up in Tuscaloosa tomorrow. I look for Gators to panic early and repeat the butterfingers performance. That Mark Ingram (with dad in prison) appears unstoppable.

Patrick

10-01-2010, 01:55 PM

Keino

10-01-2010, 02:06 PM

FFY

War of Southern Treason?

WarEagle

10-01-2010, 03:47 PM

To join the two themes running here, I'll mention that Union troops burned down the U of Ala campus completely, pretty much.

QB Greg McElroy is a bluechipper for the draft as well. Best QB there in years or a generation or two. He's applied for an Oxford scholarship, so he may not even want to enter the draft.

NFCEAST

10-01-2010, 05:49 PM

Do the Gators have a shot at Bama at all this weekend ? I don't think the Tide wanna get off to another slow start in this one.

WarEagle

10-01-2010, 06:45 PM

Do the Gators have a shot at Bama at all this weekend ? I don't think the Tide wanna get off to another slow start in this one.

I doubt it. Finebaum said today that Tide was distracted vs. Ark. Looking ahead to Fla game. But, Fla does have the revenge factor going for them.

Farmer Ted

10-01-2010, 10:34 PM

Tex A&M falls to a frenzied OK St team and stadium as time expired, 38-35. I think A&M perfected the art of male cheerleading. I root for them because the mascot of the Corps of Cadets is a collie.

I'm not sure why, but I've just never liked A&M. They're like the Redskins of college football. They have insane fans (no one on the outside knows why they bother), buttloads of money, over-paid coaches who suck, and they never win more than 5 or 6 games. Damn, at least I grew up when the Redskins kicked ass. I don't think A&M has ever kicked ass.

I'm going to the CU-Georgia game tomorrow. If CU can keep it close in the first half, I think the Georgia boys will be sucking wind big-time in the second half. CU's gotta avoid the big mistakes, for sure.

WarEagle

10-02-2010, 06:09 PM

Tenn with 13 men on the field. I've never seen that one before. Rough year for young Coach Dooley.

Farmer Ted

10-02-2010, 10:53 PM

Well, I didn't hear any "SEC! SEC!" chants tonight, lol. The game went just about how I figured it would. Bulldogs are going home with their tails between their legs. CU could be damn good, if their coach had a clue. The running game is dominant when he uses it, but during the second quarter, he started getting cute, running a lot of slow-developing misdirection plays that were complete blanks and throwing the ball. It's a shame Hawkins blew two straight red-shirt years for Tyler Hanson. The kid's got real talent. With better coaching, he would be one helluva QB. He killed Georgia tonight. Those buttheads had no idea what was hitting them. My favorite moment came in the third period, when CU started on their 19 yard line. On first down, Hanson completed an 8 yard pass to Scotty McKnight. He was absolutely blown up right in front of the Georgia bench. Hell, Mark Richt was out on the field high-fiving guys (um, dude, it's still 2nd and 2, but I guess this is why you're working on your CV now). On the next play, while the Georgia muttonheads were still celebrating, CU ran option left and pitched the ball to Speedy Stewart, and he ran it 70 yards to the Georgia 1 yard line. The game was basically over then. Georgia has more talent, but dumb talent doesn't take you far.

I gotta give it to the Georgia fans, though. There were a ton of them there, and they're frickin' insane. Pretty dumb, though, lol. One guy was yelling at CU fans and saying crap about how none of them were going to show up for the game next week. Well, it is in Missouri, moron, so I doubt any CU fans will be at Folsom Field.

WarEagle

10-02-2010, 11:03 PM

Colorado beat a 1-3 (now 1-4) team by two points. The fans rushed the field! lol!!!!!

Farmer Ted

10-02-2010, 11:08 PM

Hey man, the SEC is supposed to rule all. CU would be strong with a decent coach. Dan Hawkins is to CU as Jim Zorn was to the Redskins. Georgia was a bit soft.

WarEagle

10-02-2010, 11:15 PM

Hey man, the SEC is supposed to rule all. CU would be strong with a decent coach. Dan Hawkins is to CU as Jim Zorn was to the Redskins. Georgia was a bit soft.

ESPN showed the fan hysteria at the end and mentioned the SEC humiliation angle. Hope the CU mascot didn't stampede away!

akhhorus

10-02-2010, 11:17 PM

Hey man, the SEC is supposed to rule all. CU would be strong with a decent coach. Dan Hawkins is to CU as Jim Zorn was to the Redskins. Georgia was a bit soft.

UGA is in a serious tailspin and Richt probably will be replaced(he should have been fired after last season, but his success bought him one more year with a different defensive staff). I wouldn't be bragging about struggling to beat the worst team in the SEC who's been creamed by Miss State and South Carolina. That being said, good win for CU.

Taylor21TheUndertaker

10-03-2010, 09:37 AM

Oregon is an absolute buzzsaw.... year after year

Keino

10-03-2010, 10:36 AM

Oregon is an absolute buzzsaw.... year after year

Do they even play defense in the Pac-10? Stanford was blowing out Oregon when I turned off the TV. I can't believe that Oregon won by 3 TDs putting up 52 points.

Farmer Ted

10-03-2010, 10:56 AM

UGA is in a serious tailspin and Richt probably will be replaced(he should have been fired after last season, but his success bought him one more year with a different defensive staff). I wouldn't be bragging about struggling to beat the worst team in the SEC who's been creamed by Miss State and South Carolina. That being said, good win for CU.

They're a different team with AJ Green on the field.

akhhorus

10-03-2010, 11:13 AM

They're a different team with AJ Green on the field.

They are? lol. He's a talented player, but that team checked out on Richt after last week(or rather, during last week's game). As great as Green is, they have too much talent to be struggling with or without him, so I think that their problems are too deep for Green to fix(especially when they could move the ball without Green). Georgia will be lucky to finish with 4 wins this year.

Fathead

10-03-2010, 01:37 PM

War of Southern Treason?

War of Southerners Getting Their Asses Kicked

WarEagle

10-03-2010, 04:32 PM

wouldn't surprise me if Richt got fired before the end of season.

Taylor21TheUndertaker

10-03-2010, 08:50 PM

Do they even play defense in the Pac-10? Stanford was blowing out Oregon when I turned off the TV. I can't believe that Oregon won by 3 TDs putting up 52 points.

tennesee was up on em 13-3 in the 2nd qtr at tennessee.

oregon 48

tennessee 13

WarEagle

10-03-2010, 11:07 PM

tennesee was up on em 13-3 in the 2nd qtr at tennessee.

oregon 48

tennessee 13

13 men on the field? lol

Oregon now #4. My Aubs #8.

Patrick

10-04-2010, 07:14 AM

Another great week of games ...........
LSU / Tenn - what a wide finish.
Don't see anyone beating Bama - Gamecocks take cover!
Very disappointed in the NCSt game.
And the Terps let Duke make a game of it but still came out on top.
Big game this week ..... Mich / Mich St .....

Dolla Bill

10-04-2010, 04:04 PM

Nobody is beating Alabama this year. Nobody.

WarEagle

10-04-2010, 05:18 PM

Lame Ohio St win over Illinois. 24-13.

Taylor21TheUndertaker

10-04-2010, 09:18 PM

Nobody is beating Alabama this year. Nobody.

South Carolina has the best shot, this week at SC. That's the only chance unless south carolina can make SEC title game. I'd give Auburn a shot if it was in Auburn.

Taylor21TheUndertaker

10-04-2010, 09:19 PM

13 men on the field? lol

Oregon now #4. My Aubs #8.

I believe oregon jumped boise st for #3 in both polls

WarEagle

10-05-2010, 01:31 AM

I believe oregon jumped boise st for #3 in both polls

You are correct sir! I must've misheard the chattering skulls on Sporting News Radio which I listen to during the games on Sat.

Other stuff: Today on Finebaum, Coach Pat Dye called this Tide team possibly the best ever. Dye was an assistant under Bear himself at Bama, and I think he may be overstating things a bit. But it was still impressive praise. Coach Gene Stallings ripped into Finebaum on another subject altogether, so you guys with Sirius satellite radio may want to tune in on Tues to hear it replayed. Comes on at 3PM eastern.

WarEagle

10-09-2010, 04:57 PM

Gamecocks making a statement!

BigCountry

10-09-2010, 06:50 PM

Alshon Jeffery is no longer in the discussion for best wide receiver in the country, he now opens the discussion.

Dolla Bill

10-09-2010, 07:16 PM

Nobody is beating Alabama this year. Nobody.

Wtf did I know.

lol

Keino

10-09-2010, 07:50 PM

Florida has no chance if they continue to play the way they have. I'd give South Carolina a bigger chance than Florida at this point and if you knew me, You would know how much it pains me to make that admission in this thread.

Great Game by the Cocks today. Well, I only saw the first half, but it was nice to land and hear they held on to win.

WarEagle

10-09-2010, 08:11 PM

Cam Newton is breathtaking tonight.

BigCountry

10-09-2010, 08:55 PM

Cam Newton is breathtaking tonight.

Looks like your defense is running out of breath

WarEagle

10-09-2010, 10:11 PM

Looks like your defense is running out of breath

Once again Aub came back to win. Agreed that D didn't get much rest in much of the 2nd half. That RB for KY is like jelly. Short guy but like a waterbug.

LSU remains undefeated in another bizarre ending! All them sad Fla fans.

nicefellow31

10-11-2010, 02:43 PM

SC beats Bama in the biggest win in school history and General akhhorus of the CSA is not around to crow (pun intended) about it.

Farmer Ted

10-11-2010, 04:36 PM

They don't have internet in the drunk tank.

akhhorus

10-11-2010, 05:46 PM

Florida has no chance if they continue to play the way they have. I'd give South Carolina a bigger chance than Florida at this point and if you knew me, You would know how much it pains me to make that admission in this thread.

Prophetic.

Alshon Jeffery is no longer in the discussion for best wide receiver in the country, he now opens the discussion.

He might be the best offensive player in the country.

SC beats Bama in the biggest win in school history and General akhhorus of the CSA is not around to crow (pun intended) about it.

I was on...vacation...just some court mandated...vacation.

ryflan47

10-11-2010, 07:21 PM

Finally ranked higher than UF and UM.. it's about time we played well..

WarEagle

10-16-2010, 07:38 PM

Dear Cam Newton-

You complete me.

WarEagle

NCskinsfanatic

10-16-2010, 08:17 PM

Losing to EZU is not acceptable... Good Grief :(.

SkinsKY

10-16-2010, 08:35 PM

Finally. Got one over on Spurrier, and ended 10 straight losses to the Cocks. And after coming so close against, Ole Miss and War Eagle, it's good to finally pull one out.

WarEagle

10-16-2010, 10:17 PM

Finally. Got one over on Spurrier, and ended 10 straight losses to the Cocks. And after coming so close against, Ole Miss and War Eagle, it's good to finally pull one out.

Gamecocks emotional letdown from that big Bama upset. Stunned that Ohio St lost to Wisc tonight.

SkinsKY

10-17-2010, 07:24 AM

Gamecocks emotional letdown from that big Bama upset. Stunned that Ohio St lost to Wisc tonight.

Maybe, but they jumped out 28-10 on us by half. I think they were ready. Lattimore was out the 2nd half, which changed the whole complexion of the game, although our starting RB didn't suit up yesterday. I think that, plus some halftime adjustments, and our QB went lights out to finish the comeback.

akhhorus

10-17-2010, 08:16 AM

Maybe, but they jumped out 28-10 on us by half. I think they were ready. Lattimore was out the 2nd half, which changed the whole complexion of the game, although our starting RB didn't suit up yesterday. I think that, plus some halftime adjustments, and our QB went lights out to finish the comeback.

Lattimore was the difference. He had 200 yards in the first half and the offense stalled without him. Even then, they still had a chance at the end, and if they decided to throw the stop in the endzone to Gurley or Jeffery, they probably win(or at least kick the FG to tie).

I would get upset by it, but Florida lost also(and looked terrible doing it). We're still in the SEC east driver's seat.

SkinsKY

10-17-2010, 01:51 PM

Lattimore was the difference. He had 200 yards in the first half and the offense stalled without him. Even then, they still had a chance at the end, and if they decided to throw the stop in the endzone to Gurley or Jeffery, they probably win(or at least kick the FG to tie).

I would get upset by it, but Florida lost also(and looked terrible doing it). We're still in the SEC east driver's seat.

The end game plan by Spurrier seemed off to me too. Our gameplan for Lattimore was awful too. We blitzed and put a DE in man coverage on him, and you guys killed us on it.

I'm just glad we finally got a conference win.

akhhorus

10-17-2010, 02:05 PM

The end game plan by Spurrier seemed off to me too.

His only mistake was running that route at the end with Saunders(who's 5-9) and not Jeffery. Jeffery would have caught it.

Our gameplan for Lattimore was awful too. We blitzed and put a DE in man coverage on him, and you guys killed us on it.

There's a good plan for defending Marcus Lattimore?

SkinsKY

10-17-2010, 04:40 PM

His only mistake was running that route at the end with Saunders(who's 5-9) and not Jeffery. Jeffery would have caught it. Right, I was surprised who was targeted too. I guess the bigger things is that I would have not used that last time out, and spiked it, so I could work any part of the field for the TD and still call a TO for the Field Goal if I didn't score. After the TO, it had to be a shot to the end zone. It just cut out some options.

There's a good plan for defending Marcus Lattimore?
I don't know if there's a good one or not, but there are some that make at least some sense, and some that looked like he took advice from the town drunk.

akhhorus

10-17-2010, 04:54 PM

Right, I was surprised who was targeted too. I guess the bigger things is that I would have not used that last time out, and spiked it, so I could work any part of the field for the TD and still call a TO for the Field Goal if I didn't score. After the TO, it had to be a shot to the end zone. It just cut out some options.

*shrug* We had 1st down inside the 25, so I don't know if I can quibble with the clock management. Garcia should have just thrown it out of the back of the end zone.

I don't know if there's a good one or not, but there are some that make at least some sense, and some that looked like he took advice from the town drunk.

The mistake they made was just covering him with an End when he ran that wheel route(which he's unstoppable doing). The only thing thats stopping Lattimore now is Lattimore. If he's in the game(and healthy), he's a devastating player.

WarEagle

10-23-2010, 06:46 PM

You just can't keep them Auburn Tigers down. I hate playing that LSU- they're so slippery.

fent

10-23-2010, 07:53 PM

Baylor just became bowl eligible for the first time in who knows how long. Now they hit a terror of a schedule, though. UT, OSU, TAMU, and OU to close out their Big 12 schedule.

CNYSkinFan

10-23-2010, 08:07 PM

Baylor just became bowl eligible for the first time in who knows how long. Now they hit a terror of a schedule, though. UT, OSU, TAMU, and OU to close out their Big 12 schedule.
SU is close too. Just an amazing turnaround for Marrone who is making su football fun to watch, If we recruit a blue chip qb to lead us in two years watch out

Farmer Ted

10-23-2010, 11:08 PM

Don't look now, but Baylor's in 1st place in the Big-12 South. LMAO! Robert Griffin is no joke, though. He's like a rich man's Vince Young.

redbamaskins

10-24-2010, 09:50 PM

Congrats auburn, number one in the bcs
And another sec team on top
The iron bowl is going to be a classic.
I say the winner of that game is your national champion.

That cam newton is unbelievable

WarEagle

10-24-2010, 10:17 PM

Congrats auburn, number one in the bcs
And another sec team on top
The iron bowl is going to be a classic.
I say the winner of that game is your national champion.

That cam newton is unbelievable

Cam is something else. But yeah, if Ala/Aub win some more games, the Iron Bowl will basically be the SEC Champ Game this year. Friday after T'giving. High tv ratings for T-town.

Patrick

10-25-2010, 08:07 AM

akhhorus

10-25-2010, 09:56 AM

Auburn going to have a really tough task of beating Bama - pull that off they deserve to be in the championship.
Oregon have the tougher schedule to finish out ..... I think they fall at USC this week.
Boise St. just don't trip up against Nevada or Hawaii and a good chance they'll be playing Auburn .....

The computer polls don't think much of Boise State. They have them 11th currently. Boise State needs to be the last undefeated team along with Virginia Tech as a 2 loss ACC champ to have a chance at the title game. If there's 2 undefeated major conference teams at the end, no way does Boise State make it. If someone like Alabama runs the table, beating Auburn and either SC or Florida in the SEC title game, they'll almost certainly make it over Boise State or TCu also.

CNYSkinFan

10-25-2010, 10:19 AM

The computer polls don't think much of Boise State. They have them 11th currently. Boise State needs to be the last undefeated team along with Virginia Tech as a 2 loss ACC champ to have a chance at the title game. If there's 2 undefeated major conference teams at the end, no way does Boise State make it. If someone like Alabama runs the table, beating Auburn and either SC or Florida in the SEC title game, they'll almost certainly make it over Boise State or TCu also.
AND the BS (yes I left the c out on purpoxse) continues.

If both the human polls have BCS as the #1 or #2 and the BCS puts in a 1 loss team in over them then that may be the final straw towards a 4-8 game playoff. So I am actually hoping your scenario plays out.

Patrick

10-25-2010, 11:20 AM

The computer polls don't think much of Boise State. They have them 11th currently. Boise State needs to be the last undefeated team along with Virginia Tech as a 2 loss ACC champ to have a chance at the title game. If there's 2 undefeated major conference teams at the end, no way does Boise State make it. If someone like Alabama runs the table, beating Auburn and either SC or Florida in the SEC title game, they'll almost certainly make it over Boise State or TCu also. ? are you talking about the CPU rank ..... if so the WP has it showing Boise at #6

akhhorus

10-25-2010, 12:29 PM

? are you talking about the CPU rank ..... if so the WP has it showing Boise at #6

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs

They range from 4 to 11 in the CPU polls, the Sagarin one will kill their chances

redbamaskins

10-25-2010, 10:10 PM

WarEagle

10-26-2010, 12:53 AM

UndefeatedBoise state ,tcu or Utah,
Still is not is as impressive than a one loss
Alabama team.
Look at Alabama's schedule can you honestly say
That anyone of those teams could go undefeated or one loss
In the sec?
I don't think so
I know I am looking through rose colored glasses
But if Alabama run the table and beats a number one ranked
Auburn team, then beat
Sc or florida they deserve to be in the championship game

There's also a line of reasoning' that a one-loss team, all things being equal, deserves the right to defend their national championship. In the case you outline, I find it hard to argue with that.

Keino

10-26-2010, 07:38 PM

UndefeatedBoise state ,tcu or Utah,
Still is not is as impressive than a one loss
Alabama team.
Look at Alabama's schedule can you honestly say
That anyone of those teams could go undefeated or one loss
In the sec?
I don't think so
I know I am looking through rose colored glasses
But if Alabama run the table and beats a number one ranked
Auburn team, then beat
Sc or florida they deserve to be in the championship game

What if Michigan State goes undefeated?

How do you justify Putting Bama over either them or Oregon?

akhhorus

10-26-2010, 07:46 PM

What if Michigan State goes undefeated?

How do you justify Putting Bama over either them or Oregon?

If there's 2 undefeated teams from big conferences+the cupcake kickers in Boise/TCU, Alabama has a very small chance to leapfrog all but one of the undefeateds. They would have to blast LSU on saturday, beat Auburn and destroy South Carolina or Florida in the SEC title game all by a substantial margin. That *should* get their computer rating into the top 3 generally and they would be 2 or 3 in the AP/Coaches polls.

redbamaskins

10-26-2010, 11:51 PM

I don't see Bama jumping mizzou if they go undefeated because they beat ou and neb.
But I don't know about Msu there schedule is absolutely weaker than boisie state.
Bama has a big hurdle left anyway, how do they stop cam newton?
If you can answer that question give nick saban a call, he could use the input

Keino

10-27-2010, 11:57 AM

If there's 2 undefeated teams from big conferences+the cupcake kickers in Boise/TCU, Alabama has a very small chance to leapfrog all but one of the undefeateds. They would have to blast LSU on saturday, beat Auburn and destroy South Carolina or Florida in the SEC title game all by a substantial margin. That *should* get their computer rating into the top 3 generally and they would be 2 or 3 in the AP/Coaches polls.

If that happened it would be some BS.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 12:22 PM

If that happened it would be some BS.

Not at all. Alabama, if they did all that, would almost certainly outrank Boise or TCU is every poll, human and computer. If Boise State wants to close the gap, they can stop demanding a million dollars just to play good non-conference opponents (http://www.omaha.com/article/20100908/SPORTS/709089803/0) and play a real schedule. You can't tell me that the Pac-10 wouldn't have given Utah's PAC-10 spot to Boise State if Boise wanted it.

Keino

10-27-2010, 01:42 PM

Not at all. Alabama, if they did all that, would almost certainly outrank Boise or TCU is every poll, human and computer. If Boise State wants to close the gap, they can stop demanding a million dollars just to play good non-conference opponents (http://www.omaha.com/article/20100908/SPORTS/709089803/0) and play a real schedule. You can't tell me that the Pac-10 wouldn't have given Utah's PAC-10 spot to Boise State if Boise wanted it.

I am saying it is BS if they leapfrog MSU and Oregon in the event both teams finish undefeated. You cannot say that playing in the Big 10 or Pac 10 that they have crappy schedules, when these are major BCS conferences.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 01:57 PM

I am saying it is BS if they leapfrog MSU and Oregon in the event both teams finish undefeated. You cannot say that playing in the Big 10 or Pac 10 that they have crappy schedules, when these are major BCS conferences.

Alabama would need help from a drop in the quality wins for Michigan State/Oregon, but you could make a good case for a 1 loss Alabama team. Assuming they beat SC in Atlanta, they would have avenged their loss, beaten Arkansas and LSU on the road and beaten Florida and Auburn. They would also need Michigan State and Oregon to struggle to win in the final 3 games though.

CNYSkinFan

10-27-2010, 01:59 PM

this season is oshaping up to be the perfect reason for a playoff with 6-8 teams with legiitimate claims to a shot at the National title. there simply is no reason an 8 team playoff could not be done. Hell a 16 team playoff could be done in a reasonable amount of time.

An 8 team playoff with champions from the SEC, Big east, Pac 10, Big 12, Big 10, ACC and 2 at-Large seelectyions based on the two highest ranked remaining teams in the final BCS standing would be perfect. Mid December the first round is played, new years weekend the second, and then Mid January the championship. In the off weeks the other bowl games can be played. CVollege football would own the time before NFL playoffs started and have a true national champion.

This would have the added benefit of every conference championship to essentially be a play in game to the national championship series

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 02:09 PM

An 8 team playoff with champions from the SEC, Big east, Pac 10, Big 12, Big 10, ACC and 2 at-Large seelectyions based on the two highest ranked remaining teams in the final BCS standing would be perfect. Mid December the first round is played, new years weekend the second, and then Mid January the championship. In the off weeks the other bowl games can be played. CVollege football would own the time before NFL playoffs started and have a true national champion.

So,(assuming status quo)
Auburn(SEC Champ)
FSU(ACC champ)
Missouri(Big 12 champ)
Pittsburgh(Big East)
Oregon(Pac10)
Michigan State(Big10)

Now pick 2 out of:
Alabama
LSU
South Carolina
Boise State
TCU
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Stanford
Arizona
Virginia Tech

Nothing changes: teams will still whine about being left out of the playoff set up.

CNYSkinFan

10-27-2010, 02:11 PM

CNYSkinFan

10-27-2010, 02:14 PM

So,(assuming status quo)
Auburn(SEC Champ)
FSU(ACC champ)
Missouri(Big 12 champ)
Pittsburgh(Big East)
Oregon(Pac10)
Michigan State(Big10)

Now pick 2 out of:
Alabama
LSU
South Carolina
Boise State
TCU
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Stanford
Arizona
Virginia Tech

Nothing changes: teams will still whine about being left out of the playoff set up.
but they will have their chance to play their way in by winning their conference championship. Logic dictates that in Dec if you are not ready to win your conf chamiobnship you are not ready to make a run at the National title. If you did not even make your conference championship then you have no buisness whining.

the only ones who would be screwed are minor cconference champions with a loss and not enough ranking in the major polls. That would probably be a major exception so we could just wait and see, or if college football starts to level out you go with a 16 teamplayoff with every conference getting a champ in and 5 at-larges

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 02:20 PM

Using my above playoff scenario and the current standings the seeds would be:

SEC Auburn
Big East Pittsburgh (ok obvious flaw here lol)
Pac 10 Oregon
Big 12 Missouri
Big 10 Michigan State
ACC Florida St.
At Large Boise St, TCU

This year Big east and acc are in down cycles but they are BCS conferences. Regular season still matters because of at-Large bids, one loss like Alabama had could keep them otu of the title game, but they could also get into it by playing their way back, meaning the season is not over and there is something to play for.

Btw, I'm not stipulating to or supporting any of your ideas here, but you would have to rank the conferences much in the way that euro soccer ranks the countries and divvies out European league soccer spots based on how good the individual countries' leagues are. Have a BCS-style system to rank the conferences, top 4 conference champs get in. Then a BCS-style system to decide the final 4 spots. but even then, there will still be the whining/hand wringing about why Toadblow A&M who didn't play anyone and finished undefeated got excluded. Nothing changes.

but they will have their chance to play their way in by winning their conference championship. Logic dictates that in Dec if you are not ready to win your conf chamiobnship you are not ready to make a run at the National title. If you did not even make your conference championship then you have no buisness whining.

So a 1 or 2 loss team from a power conference doesn't get in, but a 1 or 0 loss team from a creampuff factory does? Talk about undermining the game. If not even making a conference title game takes away your shot at the title, then playing in a crappy conference should also.

the only ones who would be screwed are minor cconference champions with a loss and not enough ranking in the major polls. That would probably be a major exception so we could just wait and see, or if college football starts to level out you go with a 16 teamplayoff with every conference getting a champ in and 5 at-larges

You'll never get a 16 team playoff. Never. The schools won't even consider a 4 team one, much less 8.

Keino

10-27-2010, 02:39 PM

Alabama would need help from a drop in the quality wins for Michigan State/Oregon, but you could make a good case for a 1 loss Alabama team. Assuming they beat SC in Atlanta, they would have avenged their loss, beaten Arkansas and LSU on the road and beaten Florida and Auburn. They would also need Michigan State and Oregon to struggle to win in the final 3 games though.

You cannot make a good case for a 1 loss Alabama team leapfrogging undefeated Michigan State and/or Oregon squads.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 02:43 PM

You cannot make a good case for a 1 loss Alabama team leapfrogging undefeated Michigan State and/or Oregon squads.

Sure I can. Michigan State will have only beaten 1 high quality opponent: Wisconsin. They're only going play(probably) 3 teams ranked when they played them(Wisconsin, Iowa and the sinking fast Michigan). Oregon only will have beaten 1 quality team: Stanford. If Alabama blows the doors off of LSU, Auburn and the SEC East champ(who'll probably be top 12), they have a pretty good case to make that they should be 1 or 2(especially considering that Auburn will probably be 1 or 2 when Alabama plays them in a few weeks) based on quality wins and strength of schedule.

Keino

10-27-2010, 02:50 PM

Sure I can. Michigan State will have only beaten 1 high quality opponent: Wisconsin. They're only going play(probably) 3 teams ranked when they played them(Wisconsin, Iowa and the sinking fast Michigan). Oregon only will have beaten 1 quality team: Stanford. If Alabama blows the doors off of LSU, Auburn and the SEC East champ(who'll probably be top 12), they have a pretty good case to make that they should be 1 or 2(especially considering that Auburn will probably be 1 or 2 when Alabama plays them in a few weeks) based on quality wins and strength of schedule.

They will have beaten every team they played. Alabama cannot say that. So the only basis for putting them ahead of undefeated teams is the fact that Bama entered the season #1. Michigan State beats Iowa in Iowa and finishes undefeated there is no legit reason to allow any team with a loss to jump ahead of them. Same goes for Oregon.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 02:53 PM

They will have beaten every team they played. Alabama cannot say that. So the only basis for putting them ahead of undefeated teams is the fact that Bama entered the season #1. Michigan State beats Iowa in Iowa and finishes undefeated there is no legit reason to allow any team with a loss to jump ahead of them. Same goes for Oregon.

And you can have that opinion if you want lol. The BCS setup rewards harder schedules and late big wins. Running the table against Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn and either SC or Florida probably gets Alabama in over Oregon and/or Michigan State(probably not Missouri if they win out since they have a title game against Oklahoma or Oklahoma State) if they look good enough winning.

Keino

10-27-2010, 02:54 PM

Nothing changes: teams will still whine about being left out of the playoff set up.

You always say this and everytime you do it is wrong. Whining about a deserving team being shut out of the Championship game is a much different discussion than whining about a the 9th or 17th best teams being left out of the playoffs.

Keino

10-27-2010, 02:57 PM

And you can have that opinion if you want lol. The BCS setup rewards harder schedules and late big wins. Running the table against Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn and either SC or Florida probably gets Alabama in over Oregon and/or Michigan State(probably not Missouri if they win out since they have a title game against Oklahoma or Oklahoma State) if they look good enough winning.

So then your contention then is that every team should join the SEC. Because that is essentially what you are saying. They have to play in their conference. You are essentially punishing 2 undefeated teams based on a subjective perception that the SEC is superior to both of these conferences and therefore have a harder schedule. While that may be true, Every team cannot play in the SEC. Winning a BCS conference while going undefeated should put you in the championship game ahead of any 1 loss teams. Period.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 03:08 PM

You always say this and everytime you do it is wrong. Whining about a deserving team being shut out of the Championship game is a much different discussion than whining about a the 9th or 17th best teams being left out of the playoffs.

As we've been through many times: a playoff system is based on steamrolling perceived inequity. You can't have a playoff system thats as "inequitable" as the system it's meant to replace. The BCS isn't as hypocritical as to claim that their system solves the issue of teams being "left out."

So then your contention then is that every team should join the SEC. Because that is essentially what you are saying.

No, thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the system rewards big late season wins against tough opponents. I'd rather see Oregon vs Michigan State vs Auburn vs Missouri if any two of them are undefeated at the end of the season, but Bama has a solid case to make if they run the table against probably the toughest final stretch of any team in all of the NCAA. Bama is 7th in the BCS right now. If they beat LSU, Ole Miss and Auburn by decent margins, they jumps them up into the top 4(assuming status quo, I would bet the BCS top 4 would look like: Oregon, Michigan State, Bama, Missouri). Missouri, if they win out, has a leg up on the others since they'll have to win a tough big12 title game. The SEC champ, unless they have 2 losses, will also.

They have to play in their conference. You are essentially punishing 2 undefeated teams based on a subjective perception that the SEC is superior to both of these conferences and therefore have a harder schedule. While that may be true, Every team cannot play in the SEC. Winning a BCS conference while going undefeated should put you in the championship game ahead of any 1 loss teams. Period.

Generally I agree, but Bama is 7th in the BCS currently and play the #1 team in a few weeks. Its a very fine threading of the needle that Bama would have to do, but considering their schedule, they have a chance at it based on how the system is set up.

Farmer Ted

10-27-2010, 03:28 PM

I just can't see any way that Missouri wins out. I'd love to see it happen, because I like watching them play, but they have a very tough out in Lincoln this week. I don't think they beat the Sooners a second time on a neutral field, either.

If Utah goes undefeated, I think the deserve a trip to the championship game over BSU any day. They've got 5 tough games ahead, though (@Air Force, TCU, @Notre Dame-where the hell did that come from?, @San Diego st. and BYU).

Keino

10-27-2010, 03:48 PM

As we've been through many times: a playoff system is based on steamrolling perceived inequity. You can't have a playoff system thats as "inequitable" as the system it's meant to replace. The BCS isn't as hypocritical as to claim that their system solves the issue of teams being "left out."

My reasons for wanting a playoff system are as follows:

1. Every legitimate champion in US sports is determined by a post-season playoff.
2. A champion in a playoff system will have earned the championship by playing 2-3 high quality teams with a legitimate claim to be in the discussion.

A playoff system has nothing to do with resolving inequities, but rather having the champion earn the title on the field. I don't think people who like the NCAA Basketball tournament would argue that it is wholly equitable. In fact we are subject to whining of 7-8 teams annually who felt they got hosed. They would, however, tell you that the team that wins it all is the unquestioned champ, because they had to win 7 straight games against quality opponents to get the goods.

CNYSkinFan

10-27-2010, 03:53 PM

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 03:53 PM

My reasons for wanting a playoff system are as follows:

1. Every legitimate champion in US sports is determined by a post-season playoff.
2. A champion in a playoff system will have earned the championship by playing 2-3 high quality teams with a legitimate claim to be in the discussion.

A playoff system has nothing to do with resolving inequities, but rather having the champion earn the title on the field. I don't think people who like the NCAA Basketball tournament would argue that it is wholly equitable. In fact we are subject to whining of 7-8 teams annually who felt they got hosed. They would, however, tell you that the team that wins it all is the unquestioned champ, because they had to win 7 straight games against quality opponents to get the goods.

Thats because they have 65 teams in the field, and have just about any team that didn't break down sobbing on the court in the middle of any game in the tournement lol. You can't possible run a system that large in college football.

well stated.

And Akh you claim a playoff system is inequitable because somebody deserving may get left out, but now the BCS system guarantees someone deserving gets left out almost every year.

There are 6 BCS conferences, their champions should have a right to play for the National chamionship, add in two at larges and you can cover the good teams in the minor conferences OR barring any some runner ups in the major ones.

And a playoff system would exclude quality(perceived and not) teams also. Nothing changes. If Boise State was excluded in some 8 team playoff system this year, ESPN would still be going through their kabuki theater over "the system" and "unfairness in said system." If it were up to me, they would go back to the traditional bowl matchups, then run a BCS style system to determine the top 2 teams after the major bowls to see who plays for the title btw.

CNYSkinFan

10-27-2010, 03:54 PM

well stated.

And Akh you claim a playoff system is inequitable because somebody deserving may get left out, but now the BCS system guarantees someone deserving gets left out almost every year.

There are 6 BCS conferences, their champions should have a right to play for the National chamionship, add in two at larges and you can cover the good teams in the minor conferences OR barring any some runner ups in the major ones.
You know what will kill the BCS, if somehow Syracuse can run the table and Pitt lose a couple of games so they can get in, then EVERYONE will know what a fraud it is

CNYSkinFan

10-27-2010, 03:55 PM

Thats because they have 65 teams in the field, and have just about any team that didn't break down sobbing on the court in the middle of any game in the tournement lol. You can't possible run a system that large in college football.
You can run 8 though and I don't think many people will be bitching about being left off, espescially with the conf tournament games acting as play in games.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 03:59 PM

You can run 8 though and I don't think many people will be bitching about being left off, espescially with the conf tournament games acting as play in games.

Again. Assuming status quo:
Auburn(SEC Champ)
FSU(ACC champ)
Missouri(Big 12 champ)
Pittsburgh(Big East)
Oregon(Pac10)
Michigan State(Big10)

Now pick 2 out of:
Alabama
LSU
South Carolina
Boise State
TCU
Utah
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Stanford
Arizona
Virginia Tech

You can make a case for any of those 13 teams. Only 11 of them will be bitching about being left out lol

Nothing changes.

CNYSkinFan

10-27-2010, 04:04 PM

Boise and tcu are the highest in the BCS ranking...and by endo of the season that list will shorten considerably.

Who cares about whiners at #9. Most of that group of 11 will have a shot at a play in game with their conference. that will eliminate many of them. Anyone with 2 losses is pretty much axed right there. By the time the end of the season comes around the list wont be that big

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 04:14 PM

Boise and tcu are the highest in the BCS ranking...and by endo of the season that list will shorten considerably.

Who cares about whiners at #9.

This is precisely why I can't take any of the playoff fetishists seriously. The difference between the #3 and the #9 right now is the difference between Boise State and Oklahoma. Neither one has a case to play for the title so far based on their 2010 seasons(oklahoma since they haven't looked that great in victories against good schools and have one loss, and Boise State because they're playing a joke of a schedule). Yet, just to shoehorn some playoff system into a sport that the member schools, conferences and TV networks attached to it want nothing to do with(the BCS, which is run by the conferences, have rejected playoff proposals every time they've been proposed), y'all are fine with screwing over someone.

Most of that group of 11 will have a shot at a play in game with their conference. that will eliminate many of them. Anyone with 2 losses is pretty much axed right there. By the time the end of the season comes around the list wont be that big

The only teams with 2 losses on my list are South Carolina and Va Tech. So, 11 teams for 2 spots.

Keino

10-27-2010, 04:35 PM

Thats because they have 65 teams in the field, and have just about any team that didn't break down sobbing on the court in the middle of any game in the tournement lol. You can't possible run a system that large in college football.

I agree, but the point I was making is a conceptual point.

An 8 or 16 team playoff would have a similar thing going on. People would bitch about the 9th or 17th teams until the first round is played and then, like in basketball, they would forget about those teams who got left off. They can go play in a bowl game (the effective NIT)

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 04:41 PM

I agree, but the point I was making is a conceptual point.

An 8 or 16 team playoff would have a similar thing going on. People would bitch about the 9th or 17th teams until the first round is played and then, like in basketball, they would forget about those teams who got left off. They can go play in a bowl game (the effective NIT)

And in, how many years, of the BCS, how many years are still discussed with "well, only if the #3 team had gotten in, something else could have happened?" Only one I can think of(2004-Auburn). No one has been playing the hypothetical game for Cincy in the title game last year(especially since they got torn limb from limb in the Sugar Bowl by the #5 team), Texas in 08, Va Tech in 07, Michigan in 06 or Penn State in 05.

Keino

10-27-2010, 05:23 PM

And in, how many years, of the BCS, how many years are still discussed with "well, only if the #3 team had gotten in, something else could have happened?" Only one I can think of(2004-Auburn). No one has been playing the hypothetical game for Cincy in the title game last year(especially since they got torn limb from limb in the Sugar Bowl by the #5 team), Texas in 08, Va Tech in 07, Michigan in 06 or Penn State in 05.

Well 2004 is the most glaring injustice in my mind. I think we can talk about the use of the BCS rankings to determine the Big 12 winner either from last year or 2008 (don't remember, I am sure you will be able to tell me which year that was) that affected the champion and who participated and there is the very real possibility we discussed a page ago that proposes to have a 1 loss team leap-frog undefeated teams from BCS conferences. The other injustices that stick out for me occurred before the BCS and the BCS was intended to fix those issues.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 05:50 PM

Well 2004 is the most glaring injustice in my mind.

For all the sturm und drang over the BCS, thats the only one where critics have complained about the end result and the #3 team "getting screwed."

I think we can talk about the use of the BCS rankings to determine the Big 12 winner either from last year or 2008 (don't remember, I am sure you will be able to tell me which year that was) that affected the champion and who participated and there is the very real possibility we discussed a page ago that proposes to have a 1 loss team leap-frog undefeated teams from BCS conferences. The other injustices that stick out for me occurred before the BCS and the BCS was intended to fix those issues.

I think that was 08, I think that was the year Texas Tech was involved, and I don't know if the BCS rating was used at the end of the day to determine the Big12 South Champion. I don't see how its relevant to a discussion about the effectiveness of the BCS. Thats an issue to discuss if we were discussing Big-12 rules/regulations. Its up to the conference to decide how their division champs are figured out(and if memory serves, the BCS rating was way down the list).

Keino

10-27-2010, 06:22 PM

I think that was 08, I think that was the year Texas Tech was involved, and I don't know if the BCS rating was used at the end of the day to determine the Big12 South Champion. I don't see how its relevant to a discussion about the effectiveness of the BCS. Thats an issue to discuss if we were discussing Big-12 rules/regulations. Its up to the conference to decide how their division champs are figured out(and if memory serves, the BCS rating was way down the list).

I am pretty sure that it was the BCS rating that determined the winner of the south and it is relevant from the standpoint that there was some odd movement in the poll that affected either Texas or Texas Tech that year, which then impacted who played for the Title.

Anyway, I think I've stated why I want a playoff system. It's not about correcting inequity for me, it is about seeing the champion determined on the field of play and in my view that is not what the BCS or the Bowl System prior to the BCS does/did.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 06:26 PM

I am pretty sure that it was the BCS rating that determined the winner of the south and it is relevant from the standpoint that there was some odd movement in the poll that affected either Texas or Texas Tech that year, which then impacted who played for the Title.

Well, then start the "big-12 problems" thread then lol.

Anyway, I think I've stated why I want a playoff system. It's not about correcting inequity for me, it is about seeing the champion determined on the field of play and in my view that is not what the BCS or the Bowl System prior to the BCS does/did.

Knock yourself out. The odds of a playoff ever happening about the same as me joining the Prohibition movement lol.

Keino

10-27-2010, 06:31 PM

Knock yourself out. The odds of a playoff ever happening about the same as me joining the Prohibition movement lol.

When I am appointed King of the world, it will be one of the first changes I make.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 06:40 PM

When I am appointed King of the world, it will be one of the first changes I make.

I'll start caching the weaponry to run the guerilla movement against your tyrannical reign of terror lol.

Keino

10-27-2010, 06:49 PM

I'll start caching the weaponry to run the guerilla movement against your tyrannical reign of terror lol.

That's when all Bourbon shipments to Akhhorusistan will cease.

akhhorus

10-27-2010, 06:52 PM

That's when all Bourbon shipments to Akhhorusistan will cease.

Umm..the revolution against the Keinocracy is going to start in Kentucky, so we'll distill our own....in barrels made from the heads of the gestapo you send to try and stop me!

WarEagle

10-30-2010, 06:55 PM

Didn't know Cam could catch the ball too.

dj_stouty

10-31-2010, 09:50 AM

Hoooooooooooooosssssssss!

Finally nice to see them beat a half-decent team. Coach London has a long way to go, but I like what I see in this rebuild.

WarEagle

10-31-2010, 04:41 PM

Miami QB was concussed. Might not see action against UMD on Sat. Backup is a true freshman.

Patrick

11-01-2010, 09:38 AM

Well two more go down (Missouri , Mich St) so it down to 5 undefeated at the top of the BCS. AND #6 - #11 are just waiting to pounce. Going to be a very interesting finish.
Also a big congrats to the Terps ....... hope they can keep it going against the Canes .......

WarEagle

11-04-2010, 05:19 PM

Some story breaking on payola demands from the Cam Newton camp when Miss State was trying to recruit him.

CarMike

11-04-2010, 07:39 PM

Some story breaking on payola demands from the Cam Newton camp when Miss State was trying to recruit him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5765214

WarEagle

11-04-2010, 08:27 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5765214

Aub coach said tonight that Cam is eligible to play at Auburn, "end of story." Otherwise, he couldn't comment. So much drama in the SEC.

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Nifty little game on between Va Tech and Ga Tech.

akhhorus

11-05-2010, 02:07 PM

This cracked me up:

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/157153/makemoneywithauburn.gif

WarEagle

11-05-2010, 04:36 PM

That's pretty brilliant. lol

War Damn Strong Denial!

flave1969

11-06-2010, 06:40 PM

Just watched a great game between UNC-FSU. FSU missed a field goal with 7 seconds from 37 yards. Final was 37-35 to UNC. Considering all the players lost through the scandal they are a competitive bunch.

WarEagle

11-06-2010, 07:36 PM

With his whopping 97 yards today against LSU, Mark Ingram is on pace to stay healthy for the draft. Good job, Mark! Guess it was too much to ask to step it up a little when Richardson got injured early on?

NCskinsfanatic

11-07-2010, 11:23 AM

Watching my WolfPack this season has been as frustrating as watching the Redskins...The Ol and turnovers continue to cost us games we should win... sigh.

shally

11-07-2010, 01:41 PM

hoping that both Boise State and TCU end the season undefeated.. let the BSU choke on that one.. in particular, TCU looks to have the defense to hang with the big boys..Boise State has tremendous offense, but against a tough defense not sure how well they would do..

and not that many people care, but my Penn Quakers are taking no prisoners in the Ivy League this year...

BigCountry

11-07-2010, 02:03 PM

What happens if Bama wins the Iron Bowl and Oregon State wins the Civil War?

akhhorus

11-07-2010, 02:07 PM

What happens if Bama wins the Iron Bowl and Oregon State wins the Civil War?

TCU goes to the title game, and probably the SEC winner(assuming its a 1 loss LSU or Auburn).

CNYSkinFan

11-07-2010, 02:37 PM

TCU goes to the title game, and probably the SEC winner(assuming its a 1 loss LSU or Auburn).
i am now rooting for Alabama to win out for the dreaded tcu boise title game

akhhorus

11-07-2010, 02:47 PM

i am now rooting for Alabama to win out for the dreaded tcu boise title game

I don't think Alabama can make the SEC title game anymore. If Auburn beats UGA next week, they clinch the West. Even if they lose to Alabama and UGA, LSU goes to the title game with 1 loss(against Auburn) assuming they win their remaining SEC games.

WarEagle

11-07-2010, 03:24 PM

Aub hasn't beaten UGA in 5 yrs. They freeze up against them.

shally

11-07-2010, 10:42 PM

Aub hasn't beaten UGA in 5 yrs. They freeze up against them.

Richt has underwhelmed as a coach.. this could be the year...

WarEagle

11-09-2010, 12:20 AM

Oh great, FoxSports reporting Cam cheated on exams at Fla.
A regular Peyton Place down here in the SEC. Good times, good times. I'm sure a wrathful and psychotic Urban Meyers has nothing to do with this ongoing smear campaign. :(

Patrick

11-09-2010, 06:47 AM

Interesting 3 weeks ahead but I'm betting that there will not be a SEC team in the BCS championship game this year ........... hmmmmmm, I wonder how many of them are now thinking "Playoffs" .....

WarEagle

11-09-2010, 03:08 PM

Interesting 3 weeks ahead but I'm betting that there will not be a SEC team in the BCS championship game this year ........... hmmmmmm, I wonder how many of them are now thinking "Playoffs" .....

I can see that happening. The SEC Championship game in ATL is such a big deal here - sort of a regional national championship. To me, it has much more meaning than the actual NC. Maybe I'm alone there.

I back off earlier comments on Meyers. Speculation now is that a rogue UF professor or staffer leaked Cam's report card or whatever. ugh.

akhhorus

11-09-2010, 03:56 PM

Interesting 3 weeks ahead but I'm betting that there will not be a SEC team in the BCS championship game this year ........... hmmmmmm, I wonder how many of them are now thinking "Playoffs" .....

Not this one. If the BCS title game is TCU/Oregon, I won't join the zombies lol. I support the Traditionalist proposal: go back to the old bowl matchups, then do a BCS system to determine the top 2 teams to play for the title. My opposition to the playoffs has nothing to do with keeping the SEC "in power." It has to do with that a playoff system doesn't do anything to fix the supposed issues with the BCS.

Keino

11-09-2010, 04:21 PM

Why would anyone be opposed to settling the champion on the field of play? That's what a playoff system would do.

akhhorus

11-09-2010, 04:25 PM

Why would anyone be opposed to settling the champion on the field of play? That's what a playoff system would do.

Thats what you believe a playoff system does. The entry into the playoffs would be as inequitable as you want to believe the BCS is, so nothing changes. Teams have to play their way into the BCS title game as they would have to play their way into a playoff structure. Entry into both would be decided by the very same forces/standards(or extremely similar forces/standards). The only thing a playoff does is to potentially add games to teams' schedules.

Keino

11-09-2010, 04:45 PM

Thats what you believe a playoff system does. The entry into the playoffs would be as inequitable as you want to believe the BCS is, so nothing changes. Teams have to play their way into the BCS title game as they would have to play their way into a playoff structure. Entry into both would be decided by the very same forces/standards(or extremely similar forces/standards). The only thing a playoff does is to potentially add games to teams' schedules.

Quality games, not cherry-picked games. Anyone in a playoff would be worthy of competing for the title and the ultimate champion would have to win 3 or 4 games in a row in a Win or Go Home format. That's a little more than just adding games to the schedule (ignoring for a second that there is a whole month where no games of consequence are being played which present the perfect time to have the playoffs).

As I wrote above, I don't really care about correcting inequities. I am a parent, and I realize that Life ain't fair. What I want to see is a champion legitimately determined in a manner not unlike every single organized sport in this country.

akhhorus

11-09-2010, 04:58 PM

Quality games, not cherry-picked games. Anyone in a playoff would be worthy of competing for the title and the ultimate champion would have to win 3 or 4 games in a row in a Win or Go Home format. That's a little more than just adding games to the schedule (ignoring for a second that there is a whole month where no games of consequence are being played which present the perfect time to have the playoffs).

And the adding of games is one of the reasons why no head coach, AD or conference is seriously interested in a playoff system. They already play 12-13+a title game+a bowl game.

As I wrote above, I don't really care about correcting inequities. I am a parent, and I realize that Life ain't fair. What I want to see is a champion legitimately determined in a manner not unlike every single organized sport in this country.

Except in the pros, teams get screwed on a regular basis from entering the playoff structure due to the division set ups in the NFL, baseball, NBA and Hockey. Having these hard structures is fine if you have a very limited number of teams, when you have 100+ teams in technically the same league, you cannot possibly set up a playoff system. This has been studied, investigated, poked, prodded and proposed for years by the conferences and they have absolutely no interest in it. When the MWC proposed the 8 team playoff after the Utah undefeated season, it got, reportedly, 1 vote in support(from the MWC). If the colleges thought that they were leaving millions on the table(or losing millions) due to having the BCS or a traditional bowl setup, they would consider changing. They have absolutely no interest in it. None. You might not recognize any BCS champion(or any college football champion prior to the BCS) as "legitimate" but there's extremely little complaining(save 2004) about how the BCS turned out.

As for how every sport determines their champion: every playoff is different. Does Baseball have to have 4 wildcard teams since potential champions have been excluded because they were a game or two off the pace of the final wildcard? You're opening a neverending discussion about what defines legitimacy.