Its All Good, or the Realists thread

[Skin-E-Dip]

Losing to the Rams - yea it sucks but this season is going to go a lot better if you take the Skins for what they are.

The Eagles traded McNabb for a reason (same reason the Raiders have learned why we were eager to dump off Campbell) - he is one of the most talentedly inconsistent QB's to play the game. Even so, he takes our offense up from division III to maybe a bottom level division I NFL team. This all with no homerun WR's and a running back known more for his blocking then his running right now.

Luckily, it seems that the whole NFC is weak this year except for the Eagles and a win against that squad would put us right back in the hunt for things.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

mcnabb,williams & gano are the only upgrades we added this season,and is'nt that obvious? landry is playing a lot better,so i'll give credit where it's due!

[Death_Venom]

Losing to the Rams - yea it sucks but this season is going to go a lot better if you take the Skins for what they are.

The Eagles traded McNabb for a reason (same reason the Raiders have learned why we were eager to dump off Campbell) - he is one of the most talentedly inconsistent QB's to play the game. Even so, he takes our offense up from division III to maybe a bottom level division I NFL team. This all with no homerun WR's and a running back known more for his blocking then his running right now.

Luckily, it seems that the whole NFC is weak this year except for the Eagles and a win against that squad would put us right back in the hunt for things.

After watching this game I don't really view McNabb as inconsistent. We have no real threat at WR after Moss (possibly Thomas-if the coaching staff ever lets touch the turf). Same issues McNabb had at Philly-no real WR threats (DeSean Jackson being the exception). This game to me became a shoving match and without our starting LT we were losing much of the battle at the line of scrimmage.

[Lavar703]

LOL. I can understand this after the Houston game but not after this game.

[inevitable]

Over a decade of poor management can't be fixed overnight. I think this team still plays with heart despite the fact that almost every team they will play this year is more talented then our team. Shanahan and Allen deserve time.

[Death_Venom]

Over a decade of poor management can't be fixed overnight. I think this team still plays with heart despite the fact that almost every team they will play this year is more talented then our team. Shanahan and Allen deserve time.

Nicely put-and I agree. No one can expect overnite success.

[JRudy]

Anyone who thought this team was anything more then average was kidding themselves. I tricked myself after the first two games into thinking that things were a lot better, but obviously its going to take time to change things. It sucks to lose these games, but Shanny needs more then 3 games to change the mentality at Redskin park. Its typical for the "old" skins teams to have a let down game in situations like this, I kept telling myself all week they wouldn't let me down. After today's humbling experiance, I think we all need to sit back and Patiently wait for the rebuilding process to take place. Its not just the players, it the attitude too.

[Dolla Bill]

One step closer to Mark Ingram, lol. That's my realist thinking there.

[shally]

McNabb can only be as good as his offensive line and receivers let him be....

[Dolla Bill]

McNabb can only be as good as his offensive line and receivers let him be....

Didn't we say that about some other QB that left town in the offseason, lol.

[shally]

Didn't we say that about some other QB that left town in the offseason, lol.

HUGE difference..McNabb has a feel for the pocket and doesnt leave the ball on the ground over and over.. his interception was the first really poor throw i have seen him make

[Lavar703]

One step closer to Mark Ingram, lol. That's my realist thinking there.

Won't matter if Rabach is blocking for him

[jaylen]

again this isn't a qb issue. we have few weapons and without Williams on the field very little ability to protect the qb.

I don't know where we go from here. We're at a talent deficit. unlesss we get Vincent jackson in trade the up and down play is gonna continue.

[akhhorus]

McNabb can only be as good as his offensive line and receivers let him be....

Must...resist....comment....make it up....to Satan....later....lol

[FunBunch5]

This loss was bad, but I think this team is good enough to beat some good teams this year also. Most of us on the board knew this would be one of those up and down season. Dallas was an up, today is one of the downs. I think we beat Philly next week and we will be up again. Shanny has to teach this team how to win, until then the Skins will be inconsistent.

[jaylen]

This loss was bad, but I think this team is good enough to beat some good teams this year also. Most of us on the board knew this would be one of those up and down season. Dallas was an up, today is one of the downs. I think we beat Philly next week and we will be up again. Shanny has to teach this team how to win, until then the Skins will be inconsistent.

really it seems like we backed in to the Cowboys win and haven't really put a team down decisively.

I'd expect us to give a good effort against Philly but the Philly team speed is gonna be a nightmare for us to deal with.

we used to be always able to rely on a power running game to counter their speed now we don't have that.

[FunBunch5]

really it seems like we backed in to the Cowboys win and haven't really put a team down decisively.

I'd expect us to give a good effort against Philly but the Philly team speed is gonna be a nightmare for us to deal with.

we used to be always able to rely on a power running game to counter their speed now we don't have that.

I have a feeling Donovan is going to have one of those monster games and he will the Skins to a W.

[wr70beh]

We'll probably beat the Colts but lose to the Lions. That's the type of team this is. We win when we're not expected to, and lose when it looks like we're suppose to win. That's just life as a Redskin fan.

[joethefan]

We need to learn how to find ways to win. We got away from the run after rushing for 115 in the first half...something is not right with that picture...i dont know whats going on. But it needs to be fixed quick. We also left too many tds on the field at least 3 I can count..if you trade those FG's with TDs we score 28 points who knows if that's enough to win but it would have at least changed some things.....


2 people have to go....Rabach and Heyer. IMO.

[CarMike]

LOL. I can understand this after the Houston game but not after this game.

+1

We're talking about the friggen Rams here. The same team that has only won 1 game in the past two seasons. Of course, that was until yesterday. Remind you of anything that happened last season? [Lions]

There is no excuse, none, to get beat as soundly as we did yesterday to rookie QB, a franchise that is worse than our own.

No one can change my mind about the loss yesterday. This team is heartless.

[CarMike]

Over a decade of poor management can't be fixed overnight. I think this team still plays with heart despite the fact that almost every team they will play this year is more talented then our team. Shanahan and Allen deserve time.
Of course Shanahan and Allen deserve time. lol

The problem lies with the players. We need to completely start over with our roster. [Exception of 4 or 5 players]

I'm still so pissed off from yesterday that I can't sleep.

[Patrick]

+1

We're talking about the friggen Rams here. The same team that has only won 1 game in the past two seasons. Of course, that was until yesterday. Remind you of anything that happened last season? [Lions]

There is no excuse, none, to get beat as soundly as we did yesterday to rookie QB, a franchise that is worse than our own.

No one can change my mind about the loss yesterday. This team is heartless.
Agree with you 100% my friend. I could throw a few other adjectives but won't waste the time.
The sad thing is ...... this team proved that they are going to need a lot of time to develop and it's not going to be fixed in 1-2 seasons (IMO). This year - there is not a team on the schedule that can not beat the Skins, unfortunately there are teams that the Skins can not and won't beat - they are not that good at this point.

[Goskins11]

We need to learn how to find ways to win. We got away from the run after rushing for 115 in the first half...something is not right with that picture...i dont know whats going on. But it needs to be fixed quick. We also left too many tds on the field at least 3 I can count..if you trade those FG's with TDs we score 28 points who knows if that's enough to win but it would have at least changed some things.....


2 people have to go....Rabach and Heyer. IMO.

i agree 100% Heyer should've been slid over to the right side or not on the roster. Rabach has nothing left and has been slowing declining since his tenure with the ravens ended. They are both huge liabilities right now, and it just goes to show how good LT Williams really is. we need him to stay healthy bad.

[Goskins11]

Of course Shanahan and Allen deserve time. lol

The problem lies with the players. We need to completely start over with our roster. [Exception of 4 or 5 players]

I'm still so pissed off from yesterday that I can't sleep.

i didn't sleep either. lol currently running off of caffiene and adrenaline from my anger.

[CarMike]

i didn't sleep either. lol currently running off of caffiene and adrenaline from my anger.

You would have thunk that after the past 2-4 years we would have learned our lesson, huh Goskins11?

As some one else mentioned, I guess beating dallass and then playing a very good Houston Texas team close we all bought into the fact that just maybe we had turned the corner.

[give_portis_the_rock]

I don't see why everyone is being so negative.

Yeah the Skins played bad, and lost to a bad team, but it's just Week 3.

Week 1 we got an ugly win against a division rival.

Week 2 we played well and would have beaten Houston if not for some bad breaks.

Week 3 we played poorly and lost, but the Rams this year have been much better than in the past two years. St. Louis could just as well have been 2-0 going into yesterday's game.

So yeah, things look bad now. But if we beat Philly next week, we're at the top of the division. The season is young. There are so many ups and downs in the season that we can't be all doom and gloom right now. We have a proven coach and a proven quarterback. Let's wait and see what happens. Besides, I think all of us were in agreement at the beginning of the season that we probably weren't making the playoffs this year.

[silverspring]

Shanahan earned a lot less time from me the second he invested in mcnabb as a short term qb solution , guys like larry johnson, willie parker and joey galloway. We have the perfect personnel to be a dominant 4-3 but instead we run a 3-4. Theses changes might work out in the long term, but it further makes me question why shanahan went with the win now approach instead of fully rebuilding.

[CarMike]

I don't see why everyone is being so negative.
Serious question gptr, how old are you? I'm not being a smart arse. I'm just wondering if you were alive when the Redskins won and won big. My point being, the fans that were around back when we were winning games and hosting the playoffs, we know what it's like. We want that feeling again. The reason everyone is upset is 'cause we lost to a team that we should slaughtered. Do you realize that Bradford is the 6th straight rookier QB to beat the Redskins? That is bad enough on its own. Losing to the Lions last year and now losing the Rams is too much for many of us to take. Sorry, I'm not going to be the rah rah type when it's not deserved.

So yeah, things look bad now. But if we beat Philly next week, we're at the top of the division.
There is no way in hell we're beating the Eagles next week. Don't kid yourself.

In Philly. A running QB. A pretty good defense. McNabbs first game back in Philly. I have a feeling DM will try to do too much and have his worse game in a Redskins jersey.

Hope I'm wrong. But I've this play out way too many times to expect us to win a game like this. Not this bunch of Redskins.

[Patrick]

Serious question gptr, how old are you? I'm not being a smart arse. I'm just wondering if you were alive when the Redskins won and won big. My point being, the fans that were around back when we were winning games and hosting the playoffs, we know what it's like. We want that feeling again. The reason everyone is upset is 'cause we lost to a team that we should slaughtered. Do you realize that Bradford is the 6th straight rookier QB to beat the Redskins? That is bad enough on its own. Losing to the Lions last year and now losing the Rams is too much for many of us to take. Sorry, I'm not going to be the rah rah type when it's not deserved.


There is no way in hell we're beating the Eagles next week. Don't kid yourself.

In Philly. A running QB. A pretty good defense. McNabbs first game back in Philly. I have a feeling DM will try to do too much and have his worse game in a Redskins jersey.
Hope I'm wrong. But I've this play out way too many times to expect us to win a game like this. Not this bunch of Redskins.
This game could be a disaster game for the Skins ..... running QB like Vick is going to cause major problems. The DBs will be so focused on stopping him that thier WRs are going to have a field day. But regardless, it's Philly and so the score should be 7-14.

[Santheb]

Didn't we have a thread like this last year after we lost to the Rams? I'm pretty sure we did. Deja freakin vu.

[dj_stouty]

The 100% largest change on this team that has had the biggest on-field impact has been McNabb opening up the deep passing game. Successful or not, he is taking shots downfield early and often and that is allowing the offense some larger options than we have had in the past. McNabb is top 6 in the league in average yards per reception. He is stretching the field better than any QB in recent memory. Unfortunately, we haven't given him the best compliment of receivers to do any super big damage...but McNabb (as always) is getting it done with subpar receivers...AND he is doing a fantastic job of not taking too many sacks despite our shaky O-line. If Jason was still in DC, there is no doubt we would be sitting at 0-3, with an enormous amout of turnovers and double digit sacks so far.

Was anyone else suprised when the announcer said the Redskins gave up their first turnover of the season in game 3? When was the last time that happened!?!?!

That is why I'm not doom and gloom right now. We have a franchise QB stretching the field, protecting the ball and making the most out of his sub-talented squad. Philly will be our biggest test. They lead the league in sacks and passing completion %. (53.8%) Huge game for Donovan for many reasons...but I think he can overcome it.

Dont' get me wrong, I still have a pit in my stomach over this loss. I'm just not allowing myself to write off the season after 1-2. Too many good things I've actually seen on offense that aren't allowing me to do that just yet.

[hockeygoalie29]

mcnabb,williams & gano are the only upgrades we added this season,and is'nt that obvious? landry is playing a lot better,so i'll give credit where it's due!

Don't forget Jamal Brown, he's a huge upgrade over Heyer. And Hicks is definitely an upgrade over the hodge podge of right guards we started last season and I'd also say Thomas is an upgrade over Rock as a kick returner. And don't forget Buchanon, he's an upgrade by default over Smoot/Tryon at CB and Randel El as a punt returner. Of course, my pet rock would have been an upgrade there so that's not saying much.

Didn't we have a thread like this last year after we lost to the Rams? I'm pretty sure we did. Deja freakin vu.

Ha, it's actually the 3rd year in a row for this thread. In 2008 we lost to the Rams in a game we dominated yet gave away. That was the Pete Kendall batted ball reception turned into a fumble and 6 points the other way right before halftime game. Last year's thread was after the 9-7 win over the Rams which everyone took as hitting rock bottom. If we only knew then that the next week we'd end Detroit's 19 game losing streak...ha.

If Jason was still in DC, there is no doubt we would be sitting at 0-3, with an enormous amout of turnovers and double digit sacks so far.

Yup, and we'd be reading threads on how Campbell got a raw deal here in DC and Shanny never gave him a chance before benching him for "his boy" Grossman. Because, after all, Shanny is Jasonn's 19th coordinator and it's obvious that nobody could win with this O-line and no WR getting open down field. It also must be the play calling cause I haven't seen one pass longer than 7 yards down field. :lol1:


Was anyone else suprised when the announcer said the Redskins gave up their first turnover of the season in game 3? When was the last time that happened!?!?!

Reminds me of 2008 when Campbell didn't throw his first pick until week 9 against the Steelers when the Skins were 6-2 and Campbell was being talked about as a candidate for league MVP. We all know what happened next though.

[esmith1790]

The 100% largest change on this team that has had the biggest on-field impact has been McNabb opening up the deep passing game. Successful or not, he is taking shots downfield early and often and that is allowing the offense some larger options than we have had in the past. McNabb is top 6 in the league in average yards per reception. He is stretching the field better than any QB in recent memory. Unfortunately, we haven't given him the best compliment of receivers to do any super big damage...but McNabb (as always) is getting it done with subpar receivers...AND he is doing a fantastic job of not taking too many sacks despite our shaky O-line. If Jason was still in DC, there is no doubt we would be sitting at 0-3, with an enormous amout of turnovers and double digit sacks so far.

Was anyone else suprised when the announcer said the Redskins gave up their first turnover of the season in game 3? When was the last time that happened!?!?!

That is why I'm not doom and gloom right now. We have a franchise QB stretching the field, protecting the ball and making the most out of his sub-talented squad. Philly will be our biggest test. They lead the league in sacks and passing completion %. (53.8%) Huge game for Donovan for many reasons...but I think he can overcome it.

Dont' get me wrong, I still have a pit in my stomach over this loss. I'm just not allowing myself to write off the season after 1-2. Too many good things I've actually seen on offense that aren't allowing me to do that just yet.

For those good things to continue in the future the offense needs to be able to move the chains. The skins are only 6 of 33 on the season on 3rd down for 18%. last in the NFL.

3 in 1st game, 2 in the 2nd game and 1 in 3rd. Not gona be able to win many games that way.

[Death_Venom]

The 100% largest change on this team that has had the biggest on-field impact has been McNabb opening up the deep passing game. Successful or not, he is taking shots downfield early and often and that is allowing the offense some larger options than we have had in the past. McNabb is top 6 in the league in average yards per reception. He is stretching the field better than any QB in recent memory. Unfortunately, we haven't given him the best compliment of receivers to do any super big damage...but McNabb (as always) is getting it done with subpar receivers...AND he is doing a fantastic job of not taking too many sacks despite our shaky O-line. If Jason was still in DC, there is no doubt we would be sitting at 0-3, with an enormous amout of turnovers and double digit sacks so far.

Was anyone else suprised when the announcer said the Redskins gave up their first turnover of the season in game 3? When was the last time that happened!?!?!

That is why I'm not doom and gloom right now. We have a franchise QB stretching the field, protecting the ball and making the most out of his sub-talented squad. Philly will be our biggest test. They lead the league in sacks and passing completion %. (53.8%) Huge game for Donovan for many reasons...but I think he can overcome it.

Dont' get me wrong, I still have a pit in my stomach over this loss. I'm just not allowing myself to write off the season after 1-2. Too many good things I've actually seen on offense that aren't allowing me to do that just yet.

You and I are on the same page. The season is too early to write off completely. It is hard to deny that McNabb is making plays (or trying to) with a weak WR corps. If McNabb had not taken shots downfield then this offense would truly be limited.

[skinsfan36]

as far as upgrades there are actually more then most are listing.
mcnabb,grossman,williams(over cartwright),brown,williams,hicks(over slew of rgs).
its just heyer does not belong in the nfl and if he does he should be the backup RT. rabach,carter are huge liabilities. cook and capers should be brought up asap. i rather watch kids struggle and grow(mcnabb is mobile,im sure they will atleast show flashes) then watch rabach sucks and heyer kill drives and whiff

[BigCountry]

I refuse to show patience when no attempt has been made to set something up with the potential to reward my patience. I refuse to show patience when all they did is stock the team with aging vets that add to our own vets who haven't achieved anything. We have Orakpo, Williams and maybe Landry as players to build on in the future. If at some point this season I see the likes of Kevin Barnes, Devin Thomas, Perry Riley, etc... on the field, I might raise an eyebrow. Until then we're running around in a circle and I can't get excited about arriving at the same top of the circle I arrive at almost every November. Put down the kool-aid.

EDIT:
Reading DJ's post I think the only way I'm wrong is if they can add another weapon or two in the off-season for him and maybe replace Rabach. I think that's the only way we win with more or less the group we have now, at least on offense. What do you do with the defense though?

[colkurtz]

We just came off a 4-12 season, and had a decade of Snyderratto draft and FA picks. This ship can't be turned around overnight.

For all the McKnabb doubters, he's still playing very good football with a substandard group of WR. BTW, now that Jason Campbell lasted just 2 games as the starter for the Raiders, where are all the ppl on this site who said we were making a huge mistake or that we'd regret that decision to get rid of him?????

We're not going to win more than .500 with the worst defense in the NFL. Not that I liked either Gregg Williams or Blache, if we at least had a top 10 or top 5 defense we'd be a contender with this offense.

For the offense we need a new, fast and hungry RB and at least one tall WR who can get open and catch it in the red zone. We're a year away in talent from being a contender.............Still think we can go .500 this season.

[Farmer Ted]

I keep repeating the old saying to myself this week: "You're never as good as you look when you win and you're never as bad as you look when you lose." I don't know who came up with it (probably Bill Parcells), but I really hope they weren't full of crap, lol.

[Hr fan]

I refuse to show patience when no attempt has been made to set something up with the potential to reward my patience. I refuse to show patience when all they did is stock the team with aging vets that add to our own vets who haven't achieved anything. We have Orakpo, Williams and maybe Landry as players to build on in the future. If at some point this season I see the likes of Kevin Barnes, Devin Thomas, Perry Riley, etc... on the field, I might raise an eyebrow. Until then we're running around in a circle and I can't get excited about arriving at the same top of the circle I arrive at almost every November. Put down the kool-aid.

EDIT:
Reading DJ's post I think the only way I'm wrong is if they can add another weapon or two in the off-season for him and maybe replace Rabach. I think that's the only way we win with more or less the group we have now, at least on offense. What do you do with the defense though?

Draft choices - good. Started 2010 with 6, finished with 6 lower but also gaining a probowl QB and a DE. 2011 we have 7 lower plus a probowl ROT. 2012 we have 8 choices.

IMO, since AH, PD, VH, and Kemo (also b/u NT?) on the DL and our D leader LF and AC at LB, will all be 30++ on D with Rogers and maybe RM probably gone. That is 6-8 of 11 starters on the 32nd ranked D, so at least some of the 3-5 remaining are at least questionable and the b/ups are very subpar (RD, Horton, Buchannon). On O at WR (Moss, Galloway are 30+ and the 3 b/ups are subpar, maybe the worst in the NFL as a group), QB (who is 30+), RB (CP will be 30+ and his b/ups have yet to show much), FB (35+), OL (Rabach, Hicks, Brown, and Dockery, all 30 or 30+ and currently starters) with b/us like Heyer and Montgomery, and Brown may leave for OLT money, ...

Gang, that is at least 23-25 players to replace due to age, needing a trainable replacement (like DMc), or we want to win games in which he plays ala Heyer, exclusive of significant injuries. We have 21 choices 6 premium (rounds 1-3). We need at least one draft like the one that started the PGH dynasty, where the first 5 choices all made the HOF lol. I'll settle for 5-6 hits - there is little room for error.

[GloryHog]

As I've aged, I've trained myself not to let a Redskins loss ruin my mood for more than a day or so. LOL Although, this WAS a particularly ugly and disheartening loss. Plenty of blame to be spread in a number of directions. Not just the players, but the coaches as well have to use this as a learning experience. I still think they will be respectable by the end of the year.

As mentioned by other esteemed members, this ship won't be turned around in one off season. Unless they fail to win eight games this year I won't be really disappointed, and it wouldn't surprise me if the two halves of the season go something like 3-5 and 5-3. I think that over the next three or four games there will be a lot of fine tuning taking place. Units will start to mesh in the new systems, personnel will continue to be adjusted, and when older players fail to get the job done, more and more of the younger guys will get their shot and hopefully start to produce. (I was pretty happy with what Torian did in the few carries he got and Moore was a definite improvement over Doughty, even on his first game back from a serious injury. Getting T. Williams back will be a huge boost).

Anyway...That's my story and I'm sticking to it...For now anyway. ;)

[Irish Redskin]

We'll play better once we start wearing Gold Pants again :lol1: