Keeper Baseball -- part deux

[danny's stogie]

A new thread to talk about the future of the league. Discuss...

[CarMike]

if you guys get a spot open, I'd like to get in on this...

[NCskinsfanatic]

Ok Rawls is this Jons soon to be former league or yours that we are discussing? Eitherway we should really let CarMike in, so I can whip his tarhole but :).

[CarMike]

Ok Rawls is this Jons soon to be former league or yours that we are discussing? Eitherway we should really let CarMike in, so I can whip his tarhole but :).

son please. lol

[NCskinsfanatic]

lmao...hey It would all just be part of defending my crown (If we're talking Jons league ;))

[CarMike]

is that a rotisserie league or H2H? I'm not much for rotisserie type leagues.

[akhhorus]

If y'all want, I can invite CarMike to be my co-owner if that would help things out?

[CarMike]

If y'all want, I can invite CarMike to be my co-owner if that would help things out?

Nah man. Don't worry about it. I was just talking if someone had to leave the league I'd be interested. No big deal but thanks for the offer. :)

[akhhorus]

Nah man. Don't worry about it. I was just talking if someone had to leave the league I'd be interested. No big deal but thanks for the offer. :)

I am leaving the league. You can have my team if you want(and if the rest of the managers agree).

[fent]

is that a rotisserie league or H2H? I'm not much for rotisserie type leagues.

Roto...I wasn't big on them either until the last couple years. Not sure why, but I actually prefer them now.

[fent]

As for changes, we need to come up with a system to keep players or decide to make it a redraft league. It may be wise to set the rules for keepers and redraft from scratch in year one since we'll have folks on extreme ends of the spectrum on how to move forward with keepers. You have guys like Rawls and I with a ton of young guys vs. Ali, Eric and Jon that have rosters full of older, established guys. No matter how we do it, one group is going to benefit at the detriment of the other. Just my two cents.

[CarMike]

I am leaving the league. You can have my team if you want(and if the rest of the managers agree).

If that's the case, then I'll step in. But I'm horrible at the Roto leagues for some reason. lol

[fent]

If that's the case, then I'll step in. But I'm horrible at the Roto leagues for some reason. lol

Don't worry...most of us are.

[danny's stogie]

Ok Rawls is this Jons soon to be former league or yours that we are discussing? Eitherway we should really let CarMike in, so I can whip his tarhole but :).

It's jon's league. The other league is not a keeper, remember?

I'd hate to lose the crew of young guys I've collected over the last while, but I'd understand if it makes the league better to start from scratch. Maybe we could set it up so that we can keep 2 veteran hitters, 2 veteran pitchers, and 3-5 players with under 3 years of service time? That would split the difference between the veteran teams and the young teams. In the long run, I'd like to have a dedicated reserve squad that you use only for players who haven't qualified for a year of service.

[NCskinsfanatic]

It's jon's league. The other league is not a keeper, remember?

I'd hate to lose the crew of young guys I've collected over the last while, but I'd understand if it makes the league better to start from scratch. Maybe we could set it up so that we can keep 2 veteran hitters, 2 veteran pitchers, and 3-5 players with under 3 years of service time? That would split the difference between the veteran teams and the young teams. In the long run, I'd like to have a dedicated reserve squad that you use only for players who haven't qualified for a year of service.

lmao...I just refuse to remember that your leagues werent keepers don;t I ? I suppose it's because every league I'm in except that one is, oh well I'll try to commit it to memory now lol.

I 2nd your proposals, I'd hate to lose everyone on my squad and start from scratch but I would be fine with 2 vet hitters, 2 vet SP's and a minimum of 3 players with under 3 years of service. I also really like the reserve squad Idea, although I'm not gonna pretend to understand how that works.

So I vote we add CarMike and we establish keepers based on Rawls' proposal. We just need to decide on a Commish and set keeper rules and dates.

[danny's stogie]

lmao...I just refuse to remember that your leagues werent keepers don;t I ? I suppose it's because every league I'm in except that one is, oh well I'll try to commit it to memory now lol.

I 2nd your proposals, I'd hate to lose everyone on my squad and start from scratch but I would be fine with 2 vet hitters, 2 vet SP's and a minimum of 3 players with under 3 years of service. I also really like the reserve squad Idea, although I'm not gonna pretend to understand how that works.

So I vote we add CarMike and we establish keepers based on Rawls' proposal. We just need to decide on a Commish and set keeper rules and dates.

Reserve squad: we do an offline draft, through email or something, and we draft professional players (i.e. not college or international) that haven't yet completed a year of service in the bigs. We can keep all these players for as long as we want, we can drop them or trade them as usual, but when they get called up to the bigs you have to move them up to your main club or drop them.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Reserve squad: we do an offline draft, through email or something, and we draft professional players (i.e. not college or international) that haven't yet completed a year of service in the bigs. We can keep all these players for as long as we want, we can drop them or trade them as usual, but when they get called up to the bigs you have to move them up to your main club or drop them.

I'm cool with that, thanks for the explanation.

[fent]

I like that concept as well. To be clear, no one with less than a year of service could be kept unless they were on the main club? Also, if you have a guy on your reserve squad who gets called up for a week or two (but is still under the 1 year mark), does he have to stay on your main club, or can he be moved down to the reserve squad again?

[CarMike]

How old is this league? How many teams are involved?

[NCskinsfanatic]

How old is this league? How many teams are involved?

If I'm not mistaken we just completed the 3rd year, different winner every year with me taking the 2010 crown ;). We have 10 teams, if everyone returns and you were to take Jons team/spot.

[danny's stogie]

I like that concept as well. To be clear, no one with less than a year of service could be kept unless they were on the main club? Also, if you have a guy on your reserve squad who gets called up for a week or two (but is still under the 1 year mark), does he have to stay on your main club, or can he be moved down to the reserve squad again?

I think the way most leagues will do it is that you have the right to activate them immediately, but you can also keep them on the reserve squad (where they don't get any stats that help your team) until they've eclipsed the service mark. Once they've hit the threshold you have to make the decision to promote them or toss them into the free agent pool. Conversely, once you've activated them they can never go back to being reserved.

One issue with this is that we'd have to either leave ESPN for this or go to offline drafting for the reserve portion. ESPN's player pool isn't deep enough to support a reserve system and there isn't any way to keep track of who's on whose reserve squad without keeping a separate list in a thread or something.

Regardless, I think we have to establish two primary objectives for the future of the league: (1) figuring out a system that gives value to young players and makes it fun to track the progress of minor leaguers and (2) figure out a way to make things interesting season round.

The reserve system is obviously to help out with issue (1) and I have a couple of ideas for (2) as well. One is that we award draft order (auction money) based on the reverse of the finish (excluding the winner and runner-up). So if you finish 3rd you get to pick 1st, 4th place gets 2nd pick and so on with the winner getting last pick. The second idea is that if maybe we decide to "make things interesting", we can award monthly prizes in addition to championship awards. Issue (2) is clearly much more difficult, lol.

[fent]

That reserve squad sounds good to me. Offline should be easy enough to keep track of.

I think the only way you could do the 2nd part is by adding money to the league, and that may be a little difficult for me to add another one right now. I might be able to make it work, though. In my pay league, we start stats over on August 1st, and whoever has the best roto score over the stretch run wins half their entry fee back. A possible option if we put money on it.

[CarMike]

What's the deal here? Akh, are you dropping out? If not, how about a co-owner? No big deal one way or the other. :)

[NCskinsfanatic]

What's the deal here? Akh, are you dropping out? If not, how about a co-owner? No big deal one way or the other. :)

Mike I'm pretty sure akh is stepping down, I was chatting with ds the other day... we still have to figure out who's gonna be the commish and a couple of other issues that I got the sense wouldnt be resolved until fantasy football season ends lol. Once we settle in on the commish things should come together pretty quickly but ya got my vote buddy.

[akhhorus]

What's the deal here? Akh, are you dropping out? If not, how about a co-owner? No big deal one way or the other. :)

Thats up to the rest of the league, no problem inviting you as my co-owner as soon as thats sorted out.

[CarMike]

Thats up to the rest of the league, no problem inviting you as my co-owner as soon as thats sorted out.

Cool, so you're sticking with it? Good to hear if so.

Thanks Eric! ;)

[akhhorus]

Cool, so you're sticking with it? Good to hear if so.

Thanks Eric! ;)

Nope, I'm out lol. You can have my franchise if the rest of the owners are cool with it.

[CarMike]

Nope, I'm out lol. You can have my franchise if the rest of the owners are cool with it.

lol, okay. That's cool as well. Can't believe you're dropping a league. lol

[akhhorus]

lol, okay. That's cool as well. Can't believe you're dropping a league. lol

Its my dying interest in baseball. I'm planning on doing a couple more football leagues.

[CarMike]

Its my dying interest in baseball. I'm planning on doing a couple more football leagues.

I'm in one basketball league right now. But next year I'd like to start a league where you start 5 players. Just like a real basketball team. Then have 7 or 8 bench spots just as a real NBA team has.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I'm in one basketball league right now. But next year I'd like to start a league where you start 5 players. Just like a real basketball team. Then have 7 or 8 bench spots just as a real NBA team has.

That would be cool, let me know when ya get that up and running.

[CarMike]

That would be cool, let me know when ya get that up and running.

Will do. But I think we'd have a hard time finding enough managers since CNY has had a hard time finding 10 managers for his league we're in.

Is T into fantasy sports?

[NCskinsfanatic]

Will do. But I think we'd have a hard time finding enough managers since CNY has had a hard time finding 10 managers for his league we're in.

Is T into fantasy sports?

not that much, atleast not yet anyway lol....remember he has an active social life ;).

[fent]

Alright...so who's going to commish this thing? I nominate not me.

[danny's stogie]

Alright...so who's going to commish this thing? I nominate not me.

Let's wait until football season is over and then get a show of hands for who is still planning on being an active member of this league. We can decide then.

[fent]

Let's wait until football season is over and then get a show of hands for who is still planning on being an active member of this league. We can decide then.

My mistake. Based on the mail job the last couple weeks, I thought it was already over.

[fent]

At the risk of sounding like Westley and Inigo...Now or not now?

[danny's stogie]

It's not my first choice, but I wouldn't be opposed to being commissioner if it was necessary to keep the league going. First, however, I would really like to see a show of hands from all involved to see who wants to stay an active member of the league. So far we've heard from 5 out of 10 people in this thread. It's difficult to get owners to set their lineups all the way to the end so I would be curious to know who among those who stopped logging in would still be enthusiastic about continuing on in the league, otherwise it would be good to find replacements.

The changes I would consider making:
1) Go back to a draft. I much prefer auctions, but it's pretty clear that the type of software we need to successfully handle the keepers if we stick to an auction isn't available via ESPN, specifically the ability to adjust individual auction budgets.
2) Trim the lineups by getting rid of a couple of bench spots and 2 of the UTIL spots. Tighten up the IP cap further so that there's a premium on quality over quantity.
3) Replace the RP and SP spots and go to 5 P spots so that closers gain value.
4) Weekly or bi-weekly waivers so that the working stiffs have a chance to get their guys in free agency.
5) Starting next year, give the 2nd place team the 1st pick, 3rd place the 2nd and so on down. This eliminates the incentive to tank the season for draft order and hopefully would keep people playing until the end of the season.
6) Switch to the number of keepers I mentioned above and then consider options for a reserve squad of minor leaguers and players that aren't yet arbitration eligible. This would make it more fun to own and follow your prospects.
7) Give the commissioner power to initiate legislation and create a 3 owner panel with veto power. This would help us get things done quickly that help the league without needing to hope that 10 people login to vote. Same system to approve trades.

[fent]

It's not my first choice, but I wouldn't be opposed to being commissioner if it was necessary to keep the league going. First, however, I would really like to see a show of hands from all involved to see who wants to stay an active member of the league. So far we've heard from 5 out of 10 people in this thread. It's difficult to get owners to set their lineups all the way to the end so I would be curious to know who among those who stopped logging in would still be enthusiastic about continuing on in the league, otherwise it would be good to find replacements.

Me and my merry band of crappy misfits are in. I can't commit to being the commish with school going on, but I would volunteer my time to get everything set up since I'll be off school starting in a couple weeks.

The changes I would consider making:
1) Go back to a draft. I much prefer auctions, but it's pretty clear that the type of software we need to successfully handle the keepers if we stick to an auction isn't available via ESPN, specifically the ability to adjust individual auction budgets.

Is there another service that allows adjustment without requiring paying for the league? Will yahoo cover it?

2) Trim the lineups by getting rid of a couple of bench spots and 2 of the UTIL spots. Tighten up the IP cap further so that there's a premium on quality over quantity.

Yes please.

3) Replace the RP and SP spots and go to 5 P spots so that closers gain value.

Wholeheartedly agree.

4) Weekly or bi-weekly waivers so that the working stiffs have a chance to get their guys in free agency.

I don't know that I like this. Given the daily nature of the game, having to wait several days to replace an injured player could be problematic.

5) Starting next year, give the 2nd place team the 1st pick, 3rd place the 2nd and so on down. This eliminates the incentive to tank the season for draft order and hopefully would keep people playing until the end of the season.

I like this if we significantly limit the number of keepers we take from year to year, but if we stay with a large number of keepers, this essentially makes the rich get richer.

6) Switch to the number of keepers I mentioned above and then consider options for a reserve squad of minor leaguers and players that aren't yet arbitration eligible. This would make it more fun to own and follow your prospects.

Is this what you meant?

2 veteran hitters, 2 veteran pitchers, and 3-5 players with under 3 years of service time

If so, I can go with that. I'm not really big either way other than to turn this into more of a keeper league than the dynasty league it wants to be.

7) Give the commissioner power to initiate legislation and create a 3 owner panel with veto power. This would help us get things done quickly that help the league without needing to hope that 10 people login to vote. Same system to approve trades.

I can see the merit in the idea, but think everyone still needs the ability to give input. Perhaps if we put a time limit on proposals rather than requiring a majority of the total members. Say, 48 hours and as long as a certain number have voted, if the vote is in favor of the proposal, enact it and those who didn't vote don't complain.

[danny's stogie]

Me and my merry band of crappy misfits are in. I can't commit to being the commish with school going on, but I would volunteer my time to get everything set up since I'll be off school starting in a couple weeks.



Is there another service that allows adjustment without requiring paying for the league? Will yahoo cover it?

idk

I don't know that I like this. Given the daily nature of the game, having to wait several days to replace an injured player could be problematic.
I know, but I'd like to get rid of the ability to pickup guys the second news breaks about injury or something. I'd prefer to use a FAAB system because it adds strategy to your pickups.


I like this if we significantly limit the number of keepers we take from year to year, but if we stay with a large number of keepers, this essentially makes the rich get richer. I'd like to start limiting the veteran keepers so I agree.



Is this what you meant?

2 veteran hitters, 2 veteran pitchers, and 3-5 players with under 3 years of service time

If so, I can go with that. I'm not really big either way other than to turn this into more of a keeper league than the dynasty league it wants to be. Yes. At least 4 youngsters because I'll assume the 2 hitters and 2 pitchers would be vets.



I can see the merit in the idea, but think everyone still needs the ability to give input. Perhaps if we put a time limit on proposals rather than requiring a majority of the total members. Say, 48 hours and as long as a certain number have voted, if the vote is in favor of the proposal, enact it and those who didn't vote don't complain. Sure, as long as we can quickly and efficiently improve the league when necessary.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Well I'm in and I know CarMike's still interested in taking Akhs' spot. Im ok with going back to a draft because in all honesty with a retail schedule I cant always make the draft and if it's auction style you're doomed iff you miss it. I dont have a problem with any of the prtoposals with the exception of the waiver wire, Im not sure I want to wait a week to fill a spot either although i understand your rationale for proposing it. I also like fents idea in regards to a 48 hr limit for everyone to reply to proposals.

[csquared]

I'm in as well. As long as that's ok with you guys. I don't post anymore here I just lurk (story for a different day). Just let me know.

[CarMike]

Well I'm in and I know CarMike's still interested in taking Akhs' spot. Im ok with going back to a draft because in all honesty with a retail schedule I cant always make the draft and if it's auction style you're doomed iff you miss it. I dont have a problem with any of the prtoposals with the exception of the waiver wire, Im not sure I want to wait a week to fill a spot either although i understand your rationale for proposing it. I also like fents idea in regards to a 48 hr limit for everyone to reply to proposals.

Yeah, I'm interested in taking over akhs team if that's still alright with the league.

[danny's stogie]

Yeah, I'm interested in taking over akhs team if that's still alright with the league.

I don't think that's going to be a problem. He's got a few good keepers and a handful of nice prospects to choose from -- you'll be in good shape.

[danny's stogie]

I'm in as well. As long as that's ok with you guys. I don't post anymore here I just lurk (story for a different day). Just let me know.

Great. We need to hear a word from skinsaschamps, skinfanjon, alibabba, and pgiddy to make sure they're still on board. I can bug Rube offline.

[SkinsASchamps]

I'm in as well. As long as that's ok with you guys. I don't post anymore here I just lurk (story for a different day). Just let me know.

Same here.

[fent]

On the keepers, what would happen if I kept a guy like Moustakas. Does he have to go on my roster, or can he be immediately put onto my minors roster?

[danny's stogie]

On the keepers, what would happen if I kept a guy like Moustakas. Does he have to go on my roster, or can he be immediately put onto my minors roster?

Good question...

depends on how feasible it is to implement.

[skinfanjon]

I haven't had a chance to read through the recent posts, ill do so later this evening, but I'm in.

[skinfanjon]

I like all of DS's proposals with the exception of weekly waivers, but I guess I could live with it if that's what everyone wants. Also, how about 6th place gets 1st pick, 7th is 2nd, and so on...that would encourage late season interest amongst the bottom half of the league without titling the balance of power too much. The top half should have enough reason to stay active anyway.

Other than those small issues, I'm down.

[fent]

I like all of DS's proposals with the exception of weekly waivers, but I guess I could live with it if that's what everyone wants. Also, how about 6th place gets 1st pick, 7th is 2nd, and so on...that would encourage late season interest amongst the bottom half of the league without titling the balance of power too much. The top half should have enough reason to stay active anyway.

Other than those small issues, I'm down.

That may be a good way to do things. The only other ways I can think to keep folks interested would be to make it H2H roto (which I'm not a fan of) or to put money on the league (which I'm not in a position to do right now).

[skinfanjon]

That may be a good way to do things. The only other ways I can think to keep folks interested would be to make it H2H roto (which I'm not a fan of) or to put money on the league (which I'm not in a position to do right now).

if we go to H2H, I'm out. No offense to anyone, but I just have zero interest in H2H baseball leagues.

[fent]

if we go to H2H, I'm out. No offense to anyone, but I just have zero interest in H2H baseball leagues.

I don't like it either...just mentioning it as the alternative to keep folks interested.

[danny's stogie]

I like all of DS's proposals with the exception of weekly waivers, but I guess I could live with it if that's what everyone wants. Also, how about 6th place gets 1st pick, 7th is 2nd, and so on...that would encourage late season interest amongst the bottom half of the league without titling the balance of power too much. The top half should have enough reason to stay active anyway.

Other than those small issues, I'm down.

This is nice in theory, but I don't think in would work in practice. If you're sitting at 4th or 5th place at the end of the year and you don't think you have a shot at winning what's to stop you from tanking? If you're sitting at 6th place and you know that 5th place has that set of incentives then what's to stop you from tanking to ensure you don't get bumped up to 5th place?

The other option instead of weekly waivers would be to put a cap on free agent pickups at 25-35. Either that or bi-weekly waivers would induce more careful strategies.

With Rube in, as well as you sfj, we're sitting at 8 confirmed. Need to hear from Alibabba and pgiddy, then we'll hammer out and finalize these issues and get ready for keeper selections and the draft.

[AliBabba]

Thanks for the heads up sheepboy, consider me in too.

I've read through much of this and I don't strongly oppose much of it, my thoughts fwiw:

- no H2H, doesn't sound like it's on the table but much like sfj I'd be out too, just a much lesser experience imo
- reserve squad sounds interesting, I'd like to see more detail and rosters of 3 players max
- I like the proposal to have 5-10 get picks 1-6... It's not perfect but nothing is and it exceeds the alternatives
- I don't remember who said it but whoever described my roster as aging can kiss my a$$
- the spirit of stogies waiver policy is great, the daily/hourly method we currently have needs an overhaul. Sounds like there is not consensus on what it should change to but I will go along with whatever as long as every team gets fair chance at the FAs
- it scares the hell outta me but Sheepboy would make a good commish, though I think a checks and balances system has to be employed too. That's not a commentary on sb at all, but we are throwing around lots of change, regardless of who commish is it should not be one mans (or woman pgiddy) vision - but waiting for everyone to vote takes too long too. I think it should be a commish + 3 man change board system
- check out mockdraftcentral.com, they have a great mix of free/low-cost football draft options, prob got a good baseball draft tool as well. I for one would be willing to throw in a few bucks next year ($10-20/tm) to get a proper draft tool and some meager incentive for the league winner

[danny's stogie]

Thanks for the heads up sheepboy, consider me in too.

I've read through much of this and I don't strongly oppose much of it, my thoughts fwiw:

- no H2H, doesn't sound like it's on the table but much like sfj I'd be out too, just a much lesser experience imo No h2h

- reserve squad sounds interesting, I'd like to see more detail and rosters of 3 players maxI'll think about this a bit more and write up the details for everyone in the next few days.
- I like the proposal to have 5-10 get picks 1-6... It's not perfect but nothing is and it exceeds the alternatives

Here's a suggestion to split the difference: 4th place gets 1st pick and so on down. If after August 1st the commissioner catches anyone placed 1 through 3 failing to set their rosters as evidenced by things such as leaving starters on the bench or leaving injured players active (unless they notify the commissioner of vacation or losing internet access or something like that) then they are bumped out of the running for first place in draft pick order and sent to the back of the line.

- the spirit of stogies waiver policy is great, the daily/hourly method we currently have needs an overhaul. Sounds like there is not consensus on what it should change to but I will go along with whatever as long as every team gets fair chance at the FAs

I know that a lot of people here like to micro-manage and aren't a fan of this, but I think it would be worth it if everyone give this a second thought. If we did bi-weekly waivers at worst your team is stuck without a replacement for 3 days. The stats you lose in those couple of days won't make or break your season (and remember that everyone is going to have to deal with the occasional injury or benching), but not giving someone equal opportunity to access the league and make adjustments as news breaks creates real disadvantages. I don't want to see that someone wasn't able to grab their closer's replacement because ESPN is blocked at their work. It's not fair to some and it could lead to disinterest in playing.

- it scares the hell outta me but Sheepboy would make a good commish, though I think a checks and balances system has to be employed too. That's not a commentary on sb at all, but we are throwing around lots of change, regardless of who commish is it should not be one mans (or woman pgiddy) vision - but waiting for everyone to vote takes too long too. I think it should be a commish + 3 man change board system

Thanks, Ali. What matters most to me right now is having a good league where people have incentive to stay engaged. A league is only as good as the least active member.

- check out mockdraftcentral.com, they have a great mix of free/low-cost football draft options, prob got a good baseball draft tool as well. I for one would be willing to throw in a few bucks next year ($10-20/tm) to get a proper draft tool and some meager incentive for the league winner

I'll check this out later. I never mind putting down a few bucs to keep it interesting, but I think sentiment is against this for now.

[danny's stogie]

Akh has gone ahead and activated the 2011 league for us in ESPN. He's also sent Carmike an invite to join his team.

Regarding the selection of commissioner. It's not necessarily my first choice, but it seems headed towards me taking over this role. Why don't we give it 48 hours, if no else wants the job and gets nominated, then we'll have akh transfer the job to me.

First thing that I want to do, at least for a little bit while we handle this transition, is set up a 3 person panel to vote on these issues that have been raised. I think that a panel like this can be trusted to represent the best interests of the league and that this is a good way to make sure that things get done in time to set up the league as needed. After we use this method we can work out how to vote on league-wide legislation going forward.

[PGiddy18]

I'm in, but if we can send the details via e-mails, that'd be great. I'll look over the thread in a bit to try to catch up on what all of you people have been saying, but the job is keeping me very busy at the moment.

I'll check back in, but I'm game for another year of baseball.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Akh has gone ahead and activated the 2011 league for us in ESPN. He's also sent Carmike an invite to join his team.

Regarding the selection of commissioner. It's not necessarily my first choice, but it seems headed towards me taking over this role. Why don't we give it 48 hours, if no else wants the job and gets nominated, then we'll have akh transfer the job to me.

First thing that I want to do, at least for a little bit while we handle this transition, is set up a 3 person panel to vote on these issues that have been raised. I think that a panel like this can be trusted to represent the best interests of the league and that this is a good way to make sure that things get done in time to set up the league as needed. After we use this method we can work out how to vote on league-wide legislation going forward.

Well you're certainly gonna get my vote as commish Rawls, I'm not commish material but I'd be happy to help you in any way I can assuming my retail schedule permits. Looking forward to hashing out the details and defending my title, although I believe we've had a different champ each year.

I'm in, but if we can send the details via e-mails, that'd be great. I'll look over the thread in a bit to try to catch up on what all of you people have been saying, but the job is keeping me very busy at the moment.

I'll check back in, but I'm game for another year of baseball.

Welcome back Patty and thanks for the response...

[CarMike]

Just accepted the invite.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Just accepted the invite.

Sweet, welcome aboard Mikey...let's do this! Guess I have to come up with a new team name, gonna be hard to beat Melky White Discharge though lol.

[fent]

First thing that I want to do, at least for a little bit while we handle this transition, is set up a 3 person panel to vote on these issues that have been raised. I think that a panel like this can be trusted to represent the best interests of the league and that this is a good way to make sure that things get done in time to set up the league as needed. After we use this method we can work out how to vote on league-wide legislation going forward.

I'm cool with this. We need to get the thing up and running and get a draft date set, and the longer we wait on a majority vote from the league, the more likely it drags us out to the point where we're stuck with whatever draft time happens to be left rather than what's best for all of us.

[danny's stogie]

Alright then, first of all, welcome aboard Pgiddy. Secondly, I'm asking akh to hand me the reigns, speak now or forever hold your peace.

Seeking three people to fill out the panel, finalize an agenda, and vote on issues. We'll work through email, but keep everyone else abreast of what's going on. Please volunteer to help out or else I'm going on a recruiting drive through PM and email.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Like I said above I dont mind helping out Rawls, however with me working retail there are times I may not have access to the internet for a few hours at a time.

[fent]

Count me in unless there's an objection.

[CarMike]

Count me in unless there's an objection.

I object!!!!! ;)

I'd prefer stay behind the scenes on this fellers.

[danny's stogie]

Great, just need one more.

[csquared]

I have no problem helping out. My job allows me internet access 90% of the time.

[danny's stogie]

Ok, done. NCSF, fent, and C^2 will vote on issues, specifically the ones proposed herein. If we think of other things that need fixing we'll post them in this thread to receive feedback. If there are other changes you'd like to see made, please let us know.

C^2, is the yahoo address I have for you a good way to contact you?

[csquared]

Yep that one is fine

[akhhorus]

Le Roi est mort, vive le Roi!


Oh wait, I can't actually leave the league. I guess I'm Commish emeritus now.

[danny's stogie]

One more thing: please refrain from making roster moves until the rules are finalized. Once everything is in place, I'll try to make sure that people have a chance to make trades before keepers lock.

[danny's stogie]

Here's the agenda that we plan on voting on.

The Fox Memorial League Agenda.

1. Keepers vote:
a) Any 2 hitters, any 2 pitchers, and up to 5 players (either pitcher or hitter) with less than 3 years of service.
b) Existing system, keep 20.

* For a), service time is defined as "experience" on ESPN player pages. Must have less than 3 years, i.e. 2 or fewer.
** Players with low service time are eligible for reserve squad if instituted.

2. Draft/Auction:
a) Snake draft, order i) random, ii) inverse of standings
b) Auction (260 budget - 60 for keepers = 200)

* If a), is enacted, a.i) vs. a.ii) will be voted on.

3. Waivers:
a) Change to one of following systems: i) bi-weekly (twice a week, thursday and sunday) waivers, or ii) a maximum on free agent transactions.
b) keep existing system, no waivers, no cap on transactions.

* Voting for a) will lead to subsequent vote for system type.
** Voting for a.i) will lead to vote on waiver style, FAAB or standard.
*** voting for a.ii) will lead to vote on the size of transaction cap.

4. Reserve Squad:
a) Institute a reserve squad, rules attached.
b) Keep current system.

5. Roster Reduction:
a) Reduce roster size by either or both: i) remove 2 of 3 Util spots, ii) reduce benches by 2
b) Keep current system

* voting for a) will lead to a separate vote on i)
** ii) is an option only if 4) the reserve squad is enacted

6. Pitching spots:
a) Change to one of following: i) 7 "P" spots or ii) 3 "SP" 2 "RP" 2 "P"
b) keep current system

* agreeing on a) will lead to a separate vote on i) vs. ii)

7. Trade Review:
a) Change to 3-person review panel: commissioner says "yay" or "nay", confirms decision with panel members
b) Keep current system, Commissioner review

* Regarding a), panel decides on trades involving commissioner and panel members are excluded when they are a party in the trade.

8. IP Cap:
a) Reduce to 1500 IP total
b) stay at 1750 IP total

9. Participation incentive:
a) Tie draft order to inverse order of finish: i) 6 - 10 receive picks 1 - 5, ii) 4 - 10 receive 1 - 7, penalize inattentive owners 1 - 3.
b) Keep current system, no change.

* agreeing on a) will lead to a separate vote on a.i) vs. a.ii)


Reserve Squad:
Each team owner is eligible to have 5 players added to a reserve roster that is accounted for separately from their standard roster.
* Eligibility: (1) Players who are considered professional players (e.g. no college players and no foreign professionals), signed to a contract
by a major league team and (2) who have yet to complete a year of MLB service. This player does not also have to be a part of ESPN's player database.
* Players on the reserve squad are ineligible to accrue stats unless graduated to standard roster.
* To initially fill reserve rosters we will hold a snake draft through email.
* Any eligible player not drafted in the reserve draft becomes eligible for the standard draft.
* Rosters will be maintained in a thread on the league homepage or in a thread at HR.
* Owners will be allowed a maximum of seven free agent pickups to their reserve squad during the course of any season.
* To add a player simply state who you plan to add and who you plan to drop and update your roster.
* Reserve squad players can be included in trades as can draft picks in the reserve draft.
* Players on the reserve squad do not have to be added to the standard roster if the player graduates in real life to the major leagues.
* However, once said player finishes the season in which they eclipse a year of service, team owner must either promote the player to
their standard roster or drop the player.
* Once a team owner promotes said player, the player is ineligible to be returned to any owner's reserve squad.
* Players on the reserve squad can be kept across seasons without penalty (i.e. not included in standard keeper group) until they pass the service threshold.
* Each year the reserve draft will fill any unkept spots on reserve rosters.

[danny's stogie]

The results are in. Take note, because there will be several changes from last year.

Voting results:

1. Keepers vote:
a) Any 2 hitters, any 2 pitchers, and up to 5 players (either pitcher or hitter) with less than 3 years of service.

* For a), service time is defined as "experience" on ESPN player pages. Must have less than 3 years, i.e. 2 or fewer.
** Players with low service time are eligible for reserve squad if instituted.

2. Draft/Auction:
b) Auction (260 budget - 60 for keepers = 200)

3. Waivers:
a.i) bi-weekly (twice a week, thursday and sunday) waivers (FAAB $100 budget)

4. Reserve Squad:
a) Institute a reserve squad, rules attached.

5. Roster Reduction:
a) Reduce roster size by either or both: both passed i) remove 2 of 3 Util spots, ii) reduce benches by 2

6. Pitching spots:
a.ii) 3 "SP" 2 "RP" 2 "P"

7. Trade Review:
a) Change to 3-person review panel: commissioner says "yay" or "nay", confirms decision with panel members

8. IP Cap:
a) Reduce to 1500 IP total

9. Participation incentive:
a) Tie draft order to inverse order of finish: ii) 4 - 10 receive 1 - 7, penalize inattentive owners 1 - 3.

[danny's stogie]

Offseason Timeline:

Take note of new keeper rules, starting now you have a few weeks to make trades and decide on your keepers which are set to lock in a little less than 3 weeks on Sunday, March 6th at 9pm. Please take careful note of the service time criteria -- if a player has less than 3 years, i.e. 2 or fewer years of service, they're eligible to be part of your five in that category of keepers. If you need clarification, please ask.

After keepers have been set we'll take a few weeks to conduct the reserve draft through email.

After the reserve draft and rosters are set, you'll have a few weeks to prepare for the auction, tentatively scheduled for Sunday, March 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM ET.

Let me know if you have any questions.

[danny's stogie]

One last thing: I need 2 people to assist me in trade review. The format is that I say "yay" or "nay" on trades and then the two panel members can nullify my vote. Members of the panel obviously have to step aside when they're involved in the trade and they must agree if the commish is a party in the trade. A little checks and balances on the commish. I'd really like to get 2 volunteers who are different from those who helped with the vote on the league agenda...not that I don't appreciate their help, just want to get as many people involved as possible. Thanks.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Ok so I have a question regarding keepers and/or the reserve squad. Will keepers be established prior to setting up the draft for the reserve squad? I know that many of us have guys that recieved late season call ups on our rosters yet have less than one full year of service. It would stand to reason that with the smaller keeper numbers this year we might not be able to keep some potentially valuable guys on our roster. So wouldnt the keepers need to be set prior to the reserve squad draft so we would all know who was or was not available?

[fent]

The keeper select screen includes the amount paid for keepers last year...is that going to have any bearing on the budget for this year's auction?

[danny's stogie]

The keeper select screen includes the amount paid for keepers last year...is that going to have any bearing on the budget for this year's auction?

Holy crap, ESPN is tying prices to auction budgets...this is new, amazing, and opens up possibilities for next season...

But for now, no, I'm going to dump the prices because they're out of line with a standard budget. Everyone will have 200 at the auction regardless of who they keep.

[danny's stogie]

Ok so I have a question regarding keepers and/or the reserve squad. Will keepers be established prior to setting up the draft for the reserve squad?

Yes, see the offseason timeline on the previous page.

I know that many of us have guys that recieved late season call ups on our rosters yet have less than one full year of service. It would stand to reason that with the smaller keeper numbers this year we might not be able to keep some potentially valuable guys on our roster. So wouldnt the keepers need to be set prior to the reserve squad draft so we would all know who was or was not available?

This is exactly the plan, in fact, if you decide to keep players eligible for the reserve squad you can keep them then move them there. This gives you another spot at the regular auction, but removes your last round pick in the reserve draft.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Yes, see the offseason timeline on the previous page.



This is exactly the plan, in fact, if you decide to keep players eligible for the reserve squad you can keep them then move them there. This gives you another spot at the regular auction, but removes your last round pick in the reserve draft.

Got it and thanks for the clarification, I missed your last post on the previous page regarding the timeline so that answers my question.

Also in regards to the draft, Sundays probably work best with my schedule but I was wondering if there was anyway we could push it back from 7:00to 7:30 because that's about the earliest I could get home.

[danny's stogie]

Got it and thanks for the clarification, I missed your last post on the previous page regarding the timeline so that answers my question.

Also in regards to the draft, Sundays probably work best with my schedule but I was wondering if there was anyway we could push it back from 7:00to 7:30 because that's about the earliest I could get home.

It was either 7 or 9. I don't mind 9 if it's not too late for everyone.

[NCskinsfanatic]

It was either 7 or 9. I don't mind 9 if it's not too late for everyone.

I could do 9pm but I could see it being too late on a Sunday night for many I may just have to miss the first 30 mins if we stay at 7pm.

[skinfanjon]

I'm cool with the either draft time. Also, id be glad to volunteer to review trades if you haven't filled the spots yet.

[danny's stogie]

Reserve Draft order set through random processes aided by Fent and akh:

1. Sfj
2. Fent
3. Carmike
4. Pgiddy
5. DS
6. C^2
7. Rube
8. Alibabba
9. Skinsaschamps
10. NCSF

[danny's stogie]

I'm cool with the either draft time. Also, id be glad to volunteer to review trades if you haven't filled the spots yet.

Great, just need one more.

[fent]

Reserve Draft order set through random processes aided by Fent and akh:

1. Sfj
2. Fent
3. Carmike
4. Pgiddy
5. DS
6. C^2
7. Rube
8. Alibabba
9. Skinsaschamps
10. NCSF

So we snake, and if we move one of our 5 to this roster, it takes a pick off the back end, correct?

[danny's stogie]

So we snake, and if we move one of our 5 to this roster, it takes a pick off the back end, correct?

Correct on both parts.

[danny's stogie]

Alibabba has agreed to be part of the review panel.

To clarify, as part of the "youngerster" group of keepers, you can keep anyone with less than 3 years of service. Once you set this group of keepers you have the option of moving eligible players to the reserve squad. The reserve squad players are not extra keepers above the 5.

[danny's stogie]

I could do 9pm but I could see it being too late on a Sunday night for many I may just have to miss the first 30 mins if we stay at 7pm.

Draft time changed to same night, Sunday March 27th, but pushed back an hour to 8 pm.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Draft time changed to same night, Sunday March 27th, but pushed back an hour to 8 pm.

Sweet, thanks for letting me know and for being flexible...something a retail schedule generally isnt.

[csquared]

Anyone looking for a SP? Josh Johnson is avail. Looking for young talent in return.

[danny's stogie]

Anyone looking for a SP? Josh Johnson is avail. Looking for young talent in return.

I lost Wainwright so we might be a good match. If anyone is interested in giving me a pitching upgrade over Haren or Gallardo I have a bunch of young guys I'd be willing to move.

[CarMike]

I probably overlooked it in this thread, but when does the "up and coming" players draft begins? The one we're doing via email.

Thanks for any help.

[danny's stogie]

I probably overlooked it in this thread, but when does the "up and coming" players draft begins? The one we're doing via email.

Thanks for any help.

We'll start a couple of days after keepers lock.

http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=1374741&postcount=75

[CarMike]

Thank you sir.

[danny's stogie]

A minor hiccup. So after a conversation with Bateman, we realized that ESPN just updated the "experience" category on their website. Essentially every player in the database who isn't a true rookie has been bumped up a year in service. This would disqualify a lot of players that had previously been eligible for the reserve squad or for the 5 young keepers group. In fact, I think that several teams might even have trouble fielding 5 young keepers if we keep the rules as is. I'm sure most of you already set your keepers with the previous levels of "experience" in mind. Unless I hear a better solution to this issue, I think it's best that we bump up the service time requirements by a year for both the keepers and for the reserve squad.

[skinfanjon]

A minor hiccup. So after a conversation with Bateman, we realized that ESPN just updated the "experience" category on their website. Essentially every player in the database who isn't a true rookie has been bumped up a year in service. This would disqualify a lot of players that had previously been eligible for the reserve squad or for the 5 young keepers group. In fact, I think that several teams might even have trouble fielding 5 young keepers if we keep the rules as is. I'm sure most of you already set your keepers with the previous levels of "experience" in mind. Unless I hear a better solution to this issue, I think it's best that we bump up the service time requirements by a year for both the keepers and for the reserve squad.

Seems fair to me.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Yeah like we discussed this morning, I think it's the fairest way to do things with the keeper date fast approaching. So I vote yes to bumping the 5 keepers to 3 years of service and under and the reserve keepers to 1 year and under.

[fent]

Sounds fairest to me. Doesn't add or subtract anyone from the player pool that we weren't already expecting the tag to be applied to.

[CarMike]

Sounds fairest to me. Doesn't add or subtract anyone from the player pool that we weren't already expecting the tag to be applied to.

+1

[SkinsASchamps]

Since I am not very active anymore, can someone give me a overview of what I need to do? I still want to play but there is a lot to read and sound like the situation was fluid.

[fent]

Since I am not very active anymore, can someone give me a overview of what I need to do? I still want to play but there is a lot to read and sound like the situation was fluid.

basically, pick 2 veteran hitters and 2 veteran pitchers to keep, then pick 5 players with 3 or fewer years of experience according to their ESPN player page. If that player has less than 1 year of player experience, then you can stick them on your minor league roster if you want, otherwise they take a spot on your standard roster.

[SkinsASchamps]

basically, pick 2 veteran hitters and 2 veteran pitchers to keep, then pick 5 players with 3 or fewer years of experience according to their ESPN player page. If that player has less than 1 year of player experience, then you can stick them on your minor league roster if you want, otherwise they take a spot on your standard roster.

Ok. Thank you. That is what I was looking for.

[danny's stogie]

So the rules are officially modified for anyone who hasn't set their keepers:

- up to 5 keepers with 3 years of experience or less.
- players with 1 year or less are eligible for the reserve squad when you set your keepers and are eligible to be picked in the reserve draft.

[danny's stogie]

Keepers lock on Sunday night. If you have any questions about them please send them soon because I'll be on the road on Sunday.

We'll start up the reserve draft during the middle of next week. This weekend is a good time to read up on your prospects.

[csquared]

Ill be honest..... The only future player i know of is Bryce Harper lol. He would be the only guy i want. If i cant get him I'm not worrying about this reserve roster. Beings as though i have like 6th or 7th pick or what ever it is I'll just not be in the draft.

[danny's stogie]

Ill be honest..... The only future player i know of is Bryce Harper lol. He would be the only guy i want. If i cant get him I'm not worrying about this reserve roster. Beings as though i have like 6th or 7th pick or what ever it is I'll just not be in the draft.

We're going to hold the reserve draft through email. Also, you have a lot of prospects on your team so when you say you only know Bryce Harper, is that a bluff? You can place your keepers on the reserve squad if they have 1 year of experience or less if you want to go that route.

[danny's stogie]

Resources for MLB prospects:

http://www.scoutingbook.com/

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/

http://www.fantasybaseballhub.com/minor_league_prospects.html

There are also A LOT of players out there with 1 year of experience who aren't on any of these prospect reports, but made an impact in the majors last year.

This is your opportunity to build your team in the way the redskins should have been for the past decade.

[danny's stogie]

Also, I'm pushing the keeper deadline back to Monday night because I'll need an opportunity to adjust their salaries before they lock.

[skinfanjon]

Also, I'm pushing the keeper deadline back to Monday night because I'll need an opportunity to adjust their salaries before they lock.

Wait, are salaries something we need to consider when selecting our keepers? I thought it was a flat fee of $60 and we enter the draft with $200 regardless of who we keep. Or am I crazy?

[danny's stogie]

Wait, are salaries something we need to consider when selecting our keepers? I thought it was a flat fee of $60 and we enter the draft with $200 regardless of who we keep. Or am I crazy?

You do not have to consider salaries and you are absolutely correct. However, ESPN has it set up so that player salaries (what we paid at auction last year) influence draft budgets. So I have to go through and change their salaries manually, drop them all down to a dollar, before the keepers lock.

Again, for everyone, you do not have to worry about player salaries, we're all starting on a level playing field.

[skinfanjon]

You do not have to consider salaries and you are absolutely correct. However, ESPN has it set up so that player salaries (what we paid at auction last year) influence draft budgets. So I have to go through and change their salaries manually, drop them all down to a dollar, before the keepers lock.

Again, for everyone, you do not have to worry about player salaries, we're all starting on a level playing field.

Ok, cool man. I do NOT want to keep Prince Fielder at like $70 lol

[csquared]

We're going to hold the reserve draft through email. Also, you have a lot of prospects on your team so when you say you only know Bryce Harper, is that a bluff? You can place your keepers on the reserve squad if they have 1 year of experience or less if you want to go that route.

From what it looks like i have Josh Bell who would qualify. All others are pretty much going to be on big league rosters.

[danny's stogie]

From what it looks like i have Josh Bell who would qualify. All others are pretty much going to be on big league rosters.

Actually, you would be allowed to keep Bell, Austin Jackson, Ramos, Arrencebia, Arrieta, Storen, Gomez, Leake, and Enright on your reserve squad if you so choose.

[csquared]

Actually, you would be allowed to keep Bell, Austin Jackson, Ramos, Arrencebia, Arrieta, Storen, Gomez, Leake, and Enright on your reserve squad if you so choose.

My understanding was that once they hit a pro roster they had to be either moved to your active roster or lost. i guess im not understanding this reserve roster then.

[NCskinsfanatic]

My understanding was that once they hit a pro roster they had to be either moved to your active roster or lost. i guess im not understanding this reserve roster then.

If according to their Espn profiles they have one year or less of service time then you can make them a keeper and then(after keepers set) move them to one of the 5 reserve spots. Each player with 1 year or less that you move to the reserve squad takes away a reserve draft pick, starting with your last and working backwards.

[csquared]

If according to their Espn profiles they have one year or less of service time then you can make them a keeper and then(after keepers set) move them to one of the 5 reserve spots. Each player with 1 year or less that you move to the reserve squad takes away a reserve draft pick, starting with your last and working backwards.

Ok well this isnt what i thought it was being used for. My understanding was it was going to be used for players who had not made it to the majors yet(Or players who got the September call up but would be starting the year in the minors). What is the point in having the reserve spots? Why not just keep bench sizes the same?


Edit... Ok so i mis-read the rules for the reserve squad. I just went back and read it again.

[danny's stogie]

Ok well this isnt what i thought it was being used for. My understanding was it was going to be used for players who had not made it to the majors yet(Or players who got the September call up but would be starting the year in the minors). What is the point in having the reserve spots? Why not just keep bench sizes the same?


Edit... Ok so i mis-read the rules for the reserve squad. I just went back and read it again.

It is mostly for minor leaguers. Some players however end up getting a cup of coffee at the major league level and then get sent back down or don't get the playing time. Having leniency to keep them on your reserve roster after making an appearance in the bigs allows you to keep them and endure the growing pains without wasting a spot on your main team. If you have a player on your reserve squad and he is a strong contributor in the majors then keeping him on your reserve squad makes you miss out on the stats they're producing. For instance, if you keep Storen, why would you put him on the reserve squad when he can rack up saves for your fantasy team? It's definitely a balance that has to be made between the two, but I think this will wind up being a good way to put the emphasis more towards youngsters, something that keeper leagues should be about.

[fent]

I'm not suggesting we change anything for this year, but we may want to find a more accurate way to determine service time. ESPN lists Wade Davis as having 2 years experience, yet he was 4th in ROY balloting in the AL last year.

[danny's stogie]

I'm not suggesting we change anything for this year, but we may want to find a more accurate way to determine service time. ESPN lists Wade Davis as having 2 years experience, yet he was 4th in ROY balloting in the AL last year.

I'm with you on this, fent, but there's a balance between accuracy in calculation and convenience for everyone in the league. Ideally, we could quickly link from ESPN to find out which players arbitration clock has started running and then they wouldn't be eligible for the reserve squad. For now, I err on the side of convenience because it will help us implement this feature without much hitch.

[danny's stogie]

Keepers lock tonight at 11. If you haven't set them, please do so soon.

[danny's stogie]

We need to get the ball rolling on the reserve draft ASAP. I'm going to try to take the time to put together a list of eligible players today (it will by no means be exhaustive) and then we can start tomorrow night.

I'm going to give everyone a max of 24 hours to make their pick. If it's not made in time the pick is forfeited and you're sent to the back of the draft. Please don't take 24 hours unless you have to or else we won't be able to get this finished before the season starts.

[danny's stogie]

There have been a couple of questions about how you can manage your reserve squad in-season:

* Rosters will be maintained in a thread on the league homepage that you edit to indicate transactions.
* Owners will be allowed a maximum of seven free agent pickups to their reserve squad during the course of any season.
* To add a player simply state who you plan to add and who you plan to drop and update your roster.
* Reserve squad players can be included in trades as can draft picks in the reserve draft.
* Players on the reserve squad do not have to be added to the standard roster if the player graduates in real life to the major leagues.
* However, once said player finishes the season in which they eclipse a year of service, team owner must either promote the player to
their standard roster or drop the player.
* Once a team owner promotes said player, the player is ineligible to be returned to any owner's reserve squad.
* Players on the reserve squad can be kept across seasons without penalty (i.e. not included in standard keeper group) until they pass the service threshold.

Let me know if there are additional questions.

[danny's stogie]

I've put together a list of 125 players who are eligible to be drafted to your reserve squad. This list is by no means all inclusive, but could be a good guide if you don't want look around on your own.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0Am5w7py1Q8WxdHpqVHFWdkt2MHcwbHhHYzRNcGV2M3c&output=html

[NCskinsfanatic]

Thanks for the rules clarification and the list. I had compiled a couple for myself but I like yours too. I'm ready to go when everyone else is, granted I have to wait awhile to actually make a pick though lol.

[danny's stogie]

Carmike, SFJ, and C2: you have keepers eligible for the reserve squad. Let me know if you want to exercise that option. If I don't hear from you by the middle of the day tomorrow I'll assume you don't.

[CarMike]

Carmike, SFJ, and C2: you have keepers eligible for the reserve squad. Let me know if you want to exercise that option. If I don't hear from you by the middle of the day tomorrow I'll assume you don't.

Still dealing with some medical issues. I'll check later tonight or first thing tomorrow morning.

[danny's stogie]

Still dealing with some medical issues. I'll check later tonight or first thing tomorrow morning.

Sorry to hear that, I hope all is well.

To make it easier on you, Justin Smoak is the one guy in your keepers who is eligible. He's slated to start at firstbase for the M's, but you might want someone stronger to start for your fantasy team.

[skinfanjon]

Carmike, SFJ, and C2: you have keepers eligible for the reserve squad. Let me know if you want to exercise that option. If I don't hear from you by the middle of the day tomorrow I'll assume you don't.

I'd like to put Desmond Jennings on that list please.

[skinfanjon]

There have been a couple of questions about how you can manage your reserve squad in-season:



Let me know if there are additional questions.

So, if we draft some one the list you provided, we could promote them to the big league roster and then fill their spot on the minor league roster with a FA?

[danny's stogie]

So, if we draft some one the list you provided, we could promote them to the big league roster and then fill their spot on the minor league roster with a FA?

That is certainly an option.

SFJ, if you want to jump the gun and email me your pick tonight or tomorrow morning I'll include it with the first email of the reserve draft. You don't have to, but you're welcome to.

[skinfanjon]

That is certainly an option.

SFJ, if you want to jump the gun and email me your pick tonight or tomorrow morning I'll include it with the first email of the reserve draft. You don't have to, but you're welcome to.

Well, I was all set to take Bryce Harper, but now I have to think about it a little bit. I may still end up taking him, but there are some guys who can provide immediate production. Ill let you know.

[csquared]

Can i add Storen and Rasmus to my list?

[danny's stogie]

Can i add Storen and Rasmus to my list?

Rasmus isn't eligbile -- 2 years of experience. Storen has been added.

[skinfanjon]

That is certainly an option.

SFJ, if you want to jump the gun and email me your pick tonight or tomorrow morning I'll include it with the first email of the reserve draft. You don't have to, but you're welcome to.

Can't seem to find your email, go ahead and put me down for Harper.

Also, I updated my email through ESPN, but just so you have it- skinfan2136@gmail.com

[danny's stogie]

Can't seem to find your email, go ahead and put me down for Harper.

Also, I updated my email through ESPN, but just so you have it- skinfan2136@gmail.com

Thanks. I appreciate you changing your email. I sent you mine.

[CarMike]

Looks like the only player that has 1 year experience and is not a keeper is Brett Wallace.

So I'll roll the dice on him and add him DS.

Thanks.

[danny's stogie]

Looks like the only player that has 1 year experience and is not a keeper is Brett Wallace.

So I'll roll the dice on him and add him DS.

Thanks.

You didn't keep Wallace so he's off the table. You kept Smoak and he is eligible.

[CarMike]

You didn't keep Wallace so he's off the table. You kept Smoak and he is eligible.

I thought you said we could take players with one year and put them on the reserve roster?

I have to admit. This league is the most confusing league I've been a member of. lol

From here on out i'll just draft. Seems to be the easiest method.

[danny's stogie]

I thought you said we could take players with one year and put them on the reserve roster?

You can, but you didn't keep Wallace so he isn't a part of your team anymore.

I have to admit. This league is the most confusing league I've been a member of. lol

I'm hoping that after the initial bumps and bruises this turns into a great feature. Just think of it as this: the reserve squad is place to stash and watch minor leaguers and prospects without having to take up a spot on your main team thereby not hurting your chances to be competitive in that season. I know I'm not the best at explaining things sometimes so please ask questions if you're unclear about anything.

[CarMike]

I'll just start fresh and roll with what I have right now. It's all cool.

[danny's stogie]

The Reserve Draft will start in 2.5 hours. Check your emails after noon.

[CarMike]

The Reserve Draft will start in 2.5 hours. Check your emails after noon.

Emailed my pick to ya DS.

[danny's stogie]

I assumed that most people wouldn't want to get 50 emails for each pick made in the slow draft. If you want to be CCed as we get along, let me know. If you want to follow the action more casually, I'll update the thread with each pick and you can track the progress here: http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/viewmessage?leagueId=1213&seasonId=2011&topicId=0&messageId=1&typeId=0. I'll also send out an update to the league after each round is completed.

[CarMike]

Did Patty miss her pick?

[SkinsASchamps]

I sent my pick in last night Mike.

1. Sfj -- Bryce Harper, War Paint Artist, Washington Nationals
2. DS (from Fent) -- Julio Teheran, SP, Atlanta Braves
3. Carmike -- Zach Britton, SP, Baltimore Orioles
4. Pgiddy -- Jacob Turner, SP, Detroit Tigers
5. DS -- Aroldis Chapman, RP, Cincinnati Reds
6. C^2-- Jake Mcgee, RP, Tampa Bay Rays
7. Rube--Ike Davis, 1b, New York Mets
8. Alibabba--Eric Hosmer 1b Kansas City Royals
9. SAS- Danny Espinosa, SS, Nationals
10. DS--

[CarMike]

Thanks SAS. Sorry Patty, I thought we all would get a email when picks were maid.

I sent my pick in last night Mike.

1. Sfj -- Bryce Harper, War Paint Artist, Washington Nationals
2. DS (from Fent) -- Julio Teheran, SP, Atlanta Braves
3. Carmike -- Zach Britton, SP, Baltimore Orioles
4. Pgiddy -- Jacob Turner, SP, Detroit Tigers
5. DS -- Aroldis Chapman, RP, Cincinnati Reds
6. C^2-- Jake Mcgee, RP, Tampa Bay Rays
7. Rube--Ike Davis, 1b, New York Mets
8. Alibabba--Eric Hosmer 1b Kansas City Royals
9. SAS- Danny Espinosa, SS, Nationals
10. DS--

[danny's stogie]

Thanks SAS. Sorry Patty, I thought we all would get a email when picks were maid.

One post above yours:

I assumed that most people wouldn't want to get 50 emails for each pick made in the slow draft. If you want to be CCed as we get along, let me know. If you want to follow the action more casually, I'll update the thread with each pick and you can track the progress here: http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/v...eId=1&typeId=0. I'll also send out an update to the league after each round is completed.

[skinfanjon]

War paint artist? Do I detect some envy from the owner of the second overall pick?

[danny's stogie]

War paint artist? Do I detect some envy from the owner of the second overall pick?

You got my hopes up when you said you might consider more major league ready players. However, I can't say that I'm at all unhappy with who I drafted second overall.

I'm also sure that Fent would have lost it if you didn't take Harper after trading for Trout on the premise that he wouldn't have a shot at him.

[CarMike]

One post above yours:

I have no idea what CCed means. lol

[danny's stogie]

I have no idea what CCed means. lol

I had to look it up, but it's short for carbon copy. What I intended to have happen was for everyone to post their pick in the draft list in the email and then forward the email to the next drafter, while including me as a recipient. Most people just send me their pick.

[skinfanjon]

You got my hopes up when you said you might consider more major league ready players. However, I can't say that I'm at all unhappy with who I drafted second overall.

I'm also sure that Fent would have lost it if you didn't take Harper after trading for Trout on the premise that he wouldn't have a shot at him.

I actually considered Teheran and a couple others, but the choice was pretty obvious. You've made out well though, and I'm pretty sure you're gonna snatch up my next choice in a couple picks.

[danny's stogie]

I actually considered Teheran and a couple others, but the choice was pretty obvious. You've made out well though, and I'm pretty sure you're gonna snatch up my next choice in a couple picks.

There are a ton of great prospects out there. I have no clue who your next choice would be.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Teheran is the real deal, no way you could have gone wrong with that choice... even if my opinion is a bit biased. I went with Castro, he had a solid year last year and has room for growth... not to mention theres a lot of questions surrounding some of the top SS's from what I've read. Nowe I just have to hope some of the guys Im targeting are availe 10-15 picks from now.

[skinfanjon]

bravesbravesbravesbravesbravesbravesbravesbravesbr avesbravesbravesbravesbravesbravesbraves... even if my opinion is a bit biased. I went with Castro, he had a solid year last year and has room for growth... not to mention theres a lot of questions surrounding some of the top SS's from what I've read. Nowe I just have to hope some of the guys Im targeting are availe 10-15 picks from now.

FFY lol

[NCskinsfanatic]

FFY lol

Lol sfj...I make no bones about it, I'm a homer. But hey maybe Im wrong about the Braves talent in which case I'd be happy to take Hanson and Heyward off your hands ;).

[danny's stogie]

I actually considered Teheran and a couple others, but the choice was pretty obvious. You've made out well though, and I'm pretty sure you're gonna snatch up my next choice in a couple picks.

Was Machado the guy you wanted?

[skinfanjon]

Was Machado the guy you wanted?

He was going to be one of my two picks on the turn, but the guy I really want is still there.

[CarMike]

And, who is that jon? ;)

[NCskinsfanatic]

Sure wish we could get this draft moving again lol...

[skinfanjon]

And, who is that jon? ;)

Delmon Young ;)

[NCskinsfanatic]

Delmon Young ;)

If he qualified he might finally be worth it lol...

[danny's stogie]

Delmon Young ;)

Ah, if only Carmike had been here for all of our Delmon Young fun.

[CarMike]

Sure wish we could get this draft moving again lol...

I've been ready to make my pick for 12 hours now....

Give me the run down on the Delmon Young thing. lol

[danny's stogie]

I've been ready to make my pick for 12 hours now....

Give me the run down on the Delmon Young thing. lol

We're prodding Patty to make her pick, but she does have the right to take her time. Hopefully, you'll have a chance to go by 9 or 10 or so.

There was a time when skinfanjon drafted Delmon Young when he was the biggest prospect in the game. Well, Delmon didn't play so well and sfj was trying to get anyone in the league to pay big bucks in trade for him. The league all figured out that he was trying to dump him and eventually Delmon ended up in free agency and has bounced around between all the teams in the league since them.

[akhhorus]

We're prodding Patty to make her pick, but she does have the right to take her time. Hopefully, you'll have a chance to go by 9 or 10 or so.

There was a time when skinfanjon drafted Delmon Young when he was the biggest prospect in the game. Well, Delmon didn't play so well and sfj was trying to get anyone in the league to pay big bucks in trade for him. The league all figured out that he was trying to dump him and eventually Delmon ended up in free agency and has bounced around between all the teams in the league since them.

And the manager who was in the lead after the first day with a full slate of games has won the "Delmon Young award"

[CarMike]

ATTN: fent and DS

I made a mistake yet again. I took Jacob Turner but PGiddy has already drafted him with the #4 pick.

I sent both of you another email with my pick that is not already drafted.

Jarrod Parker, SP, Arizona Diamondbacks.

Sorry for the screw up.

[danny's stogie]

ATTN: fent and DS

I made a mistake yet again. I took Jacob Turner but PGiddy has already drafted him with the #4 pick.

I sent both of you another email with my pick that is not already drafted.

Jarrod Parker, SP, Arizona Diamondbacks.

Sorry for the screw up.

Got it. No trouble.

[CarMike]

Got it. No trouble.

LOL, I got excited when I looked him up and he was a "FA" on his player page. As soon as I sent it to you and fent, I was like, "crap, I forgot to see if he was draftede by someone else this year". Sure enough....:)

[danny's stogie]

Like I said, no worries Mike. Sorry you missed out on Turner, but Parker's a good fallback and he's likely to hit the big leagues quicker.

Now we finally get to see who sfj is all geeked up about assuming he's still there.

[CarMike]

So far you have taken both players that I wanted. lol

I was going to take MM in the third round if he was still there.

[danny's stogie]

So far you have taken both players that I wanted. lol

I was going to take MM in the third round if he was still there.

For the second one, it's really Bateman's fault for taking Castro.

[skinfanjon]

Like I said, no worries Mike. Sorry you missed out on Turner, but Parker's a good fallback and he's likely to hit the big leagues quicker.

Now we finally get to see who sfj is all geeked up about assuming he's still there.

Taillon :)

I wanted Parker too, but Miller is a nice consolation prize.

[fent]

Taillon :)

I wanted Parker too, but Miller is a nice consolation prize.

I almost took him. Went back and forth on him and Perez, but finally decided Taillon's lack of any professional innings (and being in ##ittsburgh) weighed against him.

[CarMike]

Taillon :)

I wanted Parker too, but Miller is a nice consolation prize.
I almost took Taillon as well. But decided with Parker.
I almost took him. Went back and forth on him and Perez, but finally decided Taillon's lack of any professional innings (and being in ##ittsburgh) weighed against him.

Same here.

[danny's stogie]

I was hoping Miller would slip through the cracks. Thinking he might have his trip to St. Louis expedited after what happened to Wainwright. I think we're finally at the point in the draft where the talent drops off a bit.

[CarMike]

I'm hoping Ali will eventually trade me Dustin Ackley.

Ackley is the only graduate from my high school to have any type of professional career in a sport. Or at least that I know of. Plus, he's a Tar Heel as well. lol

Wonder what it will take to get him?

[NCskinsfanatic]

Hey Mikey it's your turn...

[danny's stogie]

I'm hoping Ali will eventually trade me Dustin Ackley.

Ackley is the only graduate from my high school to have any type of professional career in a sport. Or at least that I know of. Plus, he's a Tar Heel as well. lol

Wonder what it will take to get him?

If you really want Ackley you might not want to tip your hand like that.

[CarMike]

meh, I still won't overspend for him. Hopefully Ali will understand....;)

[CarMike]

My pick is in. Email sent to DS and PG

Jean Segura, 2B, Los Angeles Angels

[danny's stogie]

I've started to get questions about making roster moves to your reserve squad. There will be no roster moves allowed between the end of the reserve draft and the auction. I apologize, but since the system is set for 9 keepers anyone else will get dropped when we start the auction. You can start making transactions the second the auction is over.

To make transactions, simply document your moves here: link (http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/viewmessage?leagueId=1213&seasonId=2011&typeId=0&topicId=0&messageId=2). Write down what you've done and then update your reserve roster.

Speaking of which, if you haven't already done so, please record your roster (follow my template in the second post) in the thread on the league page link (http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/viewmessage?leagueId=1213&seasonId=2011&typeId=0&topicId=0&messageId=2). You need to be the one who posts it, not me, so that you can go and edit it when you make a transaction.

[skinfanjon]

I've started to get questions about making roster moves to your reserve squad. There will be no roster moves allowed between the end of the reserve draft and the auction. I apologize, but since the system is set for 9 keepers and anyone else will get dropped when we start the auction. You can start making transactions the second the auction is over.

To make transactions, simply document your moves here: link (http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/viewmessage?leagueId=1213&seasonId=2011&typeId=0&topicId=0&messageId=2). Write down what you've done and then update your reserve roster.

Gotcha. In the event two owners attempt to pick up the same player, is there a timestamp?

[danny's stogie]

Gotcha. In the event two owners attempt to pick up the same player, is there a timestamp?

For the last five minutes or so I've been trying to figure out what to do about that.

Ok, so here's the tentative plan for transactions made within an hour after the auction: you have to email me in addition to documenting your transaction on the reserve roster page. If the email comes before the auction is over then it's disqualified and if you don't email then precedence is given to the owner who did. That should break any ties if needed. Afterward, please don't email me every time you want to update your reserve squad, just do so in the thread on the league page.

[danny's stogie]

The draft is finished, see results here: link (http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/viewmessage?leagueId=1213&seasonId=2011&typeId=0&topicId=0&messageId=1)

Thanks for getting this done without a hitch.

[danny's stogie]

A reminder that the auction is a week away.

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, I dropped everyone's non-keepers and added all of the reserve squadders to the regular rosters. Since we went through and voted on all of the rules, ESPN decided to add basically every minor leaguer of note to their database. This changes the equation somewhat; I expanded the benches by 5 from what we voted on and I'm going to allow you to keep your reserve squadders on your main roster. It'll make it easier to keep track of everyone, but please still document your reserve squad transactions in the thread on the league page.

Having the reserve squad guys on your main roster offers some temptation to play them in your active lineup. My enforcement mechanism against this is going to be as follows: if I (or anyone else) catches a reserve squadder in a lineup without having been promoted I'm dropping them off your team.

[skinfanjon]

How are we accounting for the claiming of the next wave of prospects following the 2011 mlb draft?

[danny's stogie]

How are we accounting for the claiming of the next wave of prospects following the 2011 mlb draft?

Off-limits this season. We need something to draft next year, no?

[skinfanjon]

Off-limits this season. We need something to draft next year, no?

Yeah, that's what I figured, just hadn't seen it mentioned.

[NCskinsfanatic]

For the last five minutes or so I've been trying to figure out what to do about that.

Ok, so here's the tentative plan for transactions made within an hour after the auction: you have to email me in addition to documenting your transaction on the reserve roster page. If the email comes before the auction is over then it's disqualified and if you don't email then precedence is given to the owner who did. That should break any ties if needed. Afterward, please don't email me every time you want to update your reserve squad, just do so in the thread on the league page.

But to that point, after the auction, if we see the need to activate a reserve player or two we need just notify you of the player(s) we want to activate along with the new reserve player (to take his place on the reserve roster) correct?

[danny's stogie]

Yeah, that's what I figured, just hadn't seen it mentioned.

I didn't want to add to the confusion until it was necessary.

[danny's stogie]

But to that point, after the auction, if we see the need to activate a reserve player or two we need just notify you of the player(s) we want to activate along with the new reserve player (to take his place on the reserve roster) correct?

You know what, scratch this idea.

We can handle reserve squad transactions through regular waivers now that all of the players are in the player pool.

[danny's stogie]

For the last five minutes or so I've been trying to figure out what to do about that.

Ok, so here's the tentative plan for transactions made within an hour after the auction: you have to email me in addition to documenting your transaction on the reserve roster page. If the email comes before the auction is over then it's disqualified and if you don't email then precedence is given to the owner who did. That should break any ties if needed. Afterward, please don't email me every time you want to update your reserve squad, just do so in the thread on the league page.

Scratch this message.

We can conduct reserve squad transactions through regular waivers along with all standard transactions. If you add someone and then want to relegate them to the reserve squad you can denote the transaction in the league thread after waivers have cleared. I'll send out a more thorough email on the subject as we head towards the auction.

[NCskinsfanatic]

You know what, scratch this idea.

We can handle reserve squad transactions through regular waivers now that all of the players are in the player pool.

Works for me...

[skinfanjon]

Sorry DS, got another question.

Is the roster size staying at 31, including the 5 minor leaguers on the squad? I thought that was the number before the 5 were added. I'm fine with it either way, just need to know.

[danny's stogie]

Sorry DS, got another question.

Is the roster size staying at 31, including the 5 minor leaguers on the squad? I thought that was the number before the 5 were added. I'm fine with it either way, just need to know.

I'm keeping the roster size at 31, so that's 26 regulars + your 5 reserve squadders. Sorry for the confusion, but I set this up under the assumption that ESPN wouldn't add all of those prospects to their database. Now that they have, it'll be easier for us to keep track and avoid any mistakes by keeping the reserve squadders on out teams. I still want everyone to document their reserve squad on the thread in the league homepage. I'll send out a more thorough email soon.

[SkinsASchamps]

I'm keeping the roster size at 31, so that's 26 regulars + your 5 reserve squadders. Sorry for the confusion, but I set this up under the assumption that ESPN wouldn't add all of those prospects to their database. Now that they have, it'll be easier for us to keep track and avoid any mistakes by keeping the reserve squadders on out teams. I still want everyone to document their reserve squad on the thread in the league homepage. I'll send out a more thorough email soon.

What is the point of documenting it? Sounds like this will get confusing.

[skinfanjon]

I'm keeping the roster size at 31, so that's 26 regulars + your 5 reserve squadders. Sorry for the confusion, but I set this up under the assumption that ESPN wouldn't add all of those prospects to their database. Now that they have, it'll be easier for us to keep track and avoid any mistakes by keeping the reserve squadders on out teams. I still want everyone to document their reserve squad on the thread in the league homepage. I'll send out a more thorough email soon.

Its cool, just trying to figure out how to budget my auction dollars.

[danny's stogie]

What is the point of documenting it? Sounds like this will get confusing.

I don't know any other way to delineate who is on your regular roster vs. who is on your reserve squad.

[SkinsASchamps]

I don't know any other way to delineate who is on your regular roster vs. who is on your reserve squad.

Does it really matter?

I am not trying to be sarcastic. I do not know. Maybe it does.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Does it really matter?

I am not trying to be sarcastic. I do not know. Maybe it does.

Players on the reserve squad have to have one year of service time or less, so in that regard it matters. If someone on your reserve squad is made active then they can only be replaced with someone meeting the same criteria. Updating them in the thread allows everyone to ensure each squad is adhering to the 1yr and under rule.

[danny's stogie]

Players on the reserve squad have to have one year of service time or less, so in that regard it matters. If someone on your reserve squad is made active then they can only be replaced with someone meeting the same criteria. Updating them in the thread allows everyone to ensure each squad is adhering to the 1yr and under rule.

Precisely. Remember that there are a few essential aspects to think about when deciding how to manage your reserve squad. You aren't allowed to use your reserve squad players in your starting lineups, only after you promote them to your main roster (a la minor leagues vs big leagues). Once you activate a player off the reserve squad they can't go back to it. But the benefit to not activating them is that you can keep reserve squad players across years without penalty (i.e. you don't have to include them in your normal keepers). Thus if we don't keep track of them we'll have difficulty with our keepers next season.

[CarMike]

Not a big fan of Waivers taking so long. Especially when you are trying to replace a player that's on DL.

Just saying. :)

[NCskinsfanatic]

Not a big fan of Waivers taking so long. Especially when you are trying to replace a player that's on DL.

Just saying. :)

Good thing you didnt trade a SS huh?

[csquared]

Not a big fan of Waivers taking so long. Especially when you are trying to replace a player that's on DL.

Just saying. :)

I agree about the waivers. While I understand the point, I just don't like the time it takes.

[CarMike]

I agree about the waivers. While I understand the point, I just don't like the time it takes.

Especially when it takes 3 days to clear waivers and your guy is put in the 15 DL.

Why can't we shorten waivers down to 1 day? Two tops.

[danny's stogie]

I don't mind adding Tuesday waivers as well. I usually don't like changing any rules during the season, but I see nothing wrong with tinkering with this. I'll put it to vote amongst the panel.

[danny's stogie]

I don't mind adding Tuesday waivers as well. I usually don't like changing any rules during the season, but I see nothing wrong with tinkering with this. I'll put it to vote amongst the panel.

Vote is in, we'll add Tuesday waivers.

[CarMike]

Vote is in, we'll add Tuesday waivers.

How exactly will this work?

[fent]

How exactly will this work?

same as it does now on thursday and sunday. still have to bid on guys, but now your worst case scenario is a player gets hurt after 9PM on sunday, tuesday, or thursday and you have to wait until the next waiver date. the best way to handle this is to line up 3-5 guys to drop for the same player to be sure you get the position filled. For example, if your 1b goes on the 15 day DL, bid on a player and drop player X from your roster. Then go back to the wire and bid on another player and again choose to drop player X. Repeat as many times as you think is necessary to make sure you fill that spot (in football I've lined up 10 kickers to fill a bye week).

[CarMike]

same as it does now on thursday and sunday. still have to bid on guys, but now your worst case scenario is a player gets hurt after 9PM on sunday, tuesday, or thursday and you have to wait until the next waiver date. the best way to handle this is to line up 3-5 guys to drop for the same player to be sure you get the position filled. For example, if your 1b goes on the 15 day DL, bid on a player and drop player X from your roster. Then go back to the wire and bid on another player and again choose to drop player X. Repeat as many times as you think is necessary to make sure you fill that spot (in football I've lined up 10 kickers to fill a bye week).

Thanks fent.

[CarMike]

Anyone have a Catcher they're willing to let go? I only have one Catcher and he's on the 15 DL.

Take a look at my roster and let me know.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Anyone have a Catcher they're willing to let go? I only have one Catcher and he's on the 15 DL.

Take a look at my roster and let me know.

I have a catcher but I cant let him go lol...sorry Mike just felt like posting ;).

[CarMike]

I have a catcher but I cant let him go lol...sorry Mike just felt like posting ;).

Post padder! ;)

[NCskinsfanatic]

Post padder! ;)

guilty as charged...

[skinfanjon]

I need steals if anyone wants to talk trade.

[CarMike]

DS, I'm ready to promote Britton to my active roster. How do I go about doing that? Notifying by email or is this post good enough? I'll drop a player from my roster and will start looking for a minor league replacement ASAP.

Thanks.

[danny's stogie]

DS, I'm ready to promote Britton to my active roster. How do I go about doing that? Notifying by email or is this post good enough? I'll drop a player from my roster and will start looking for a minor league replacement ASAP.

Thanks.

Hi Carmike, use the thread on the league homepage:

http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/viewmessage?leagueId=1213&topicId=0&messageId=2&typeId=0

Edit the post where you documented your rosters. Mark down the transaction when you add someone through waivers tonight to replace Britton and then edit your roster to let us know how it has changed. See any of the other posts in there as a template for how it's done.

[CarMike]

Thank you sir.

[CarMike]

I believe I did this right. DS, you may want to check to see though.

I added a Minor League catcher and dropped Chone Figgins.

[danny's stogie]

I believe I did this right. DS, you may want to check to see though.

I added a Minor League catcher and dropped Chone Figgins.

You did do it correctly, but you never actually made that transaction of Figgins for Sanchez. You probably want to wait until waivers clear to document your moves.

[CarMike]

You did do it correctly, but you never actually made that transaction of Figgins for Sanchez. You probably want to wait until waivers clear to document your moves.

I did make the move but it won't show till waivers are through. I wasn't sure if you wanted it posted immediately or after going through waivers.

[danny's stogie]

I did make the move but it won't show till waivers are through. I wasn't sure if you wanted it posted immediately or after going through waivers.

It's fine for now. For future reference it's probably best to let waivers clear first in case another team goes after the players you want.

[SkinsASchamps]

I know some of you were making trade offers this week. I was without interwebs all week. I am playing catch up but I am not ignoring you. Sorry about that.

[skinfanjon]

I have a couple questions regarding the minor league roster for next year. Some of these I think I know the answer to but I'll post them anyway for the sake of clarity.

Will we have a new minors draft next season?
Will the minors roster still be 5 deep?
How will the draft order be determined?
Can picks be traded?
If roster stays at 5, does that mean we ave to decided who to keep in advance of the draft in order to clear room for potential draftees?

That's all I can think of for now. Thanks.

[danny's stogie]

I have a couple questions regarding the minor league roster for next year. Some of these I think I know the answer to but I'll post them anyway for the sake of clarity.

Will we have a new minors draft next season?

Yes.

Will the minors roster still be 5 deep?

Yes. Just like this year, if you decided to keep a guy on the reserve squad you forfeit a pick starting from the back of the draft. You can, if you want, keep all 5 of your current reserves assuming none graduate and forgo all of your picks.


How will the draft order be determined?

Order of finish. The vote we had where we decided to tie how well you're doing to the pick you get in order to prevent tanking -- have to look up the specifics later.

Can picks be traded?

Not until next offseason.


If roster stays at 5, does that mean we ave to decided who to keep in advance of the draft in order to clear room for potential draftees?

Yup. But you can keep all five if you want and you can keep them until they're no longer eligible.

[danny's stogie]

Now accepting offers: you give a corner infielder and I give an OFer. One-for-one, equal value.

[skinfanjon]

I move we replace "wins" with "quality starts" beginning next season...or retroactive to the start of this season, whichever you prefer.

In all honesty, I think QS is a much better measure of production than W's are and I would like to put it to a vote if it pleases the commish.

[CarMike]

Hope the league doesn't mind, but I changed the name of my team to ACK ATTACK13. lol

Just a heads up. Not that it really matters since I'm so south in the standings and don't plan on moving up. lol

[skinfanjon]

It's almost time for pitchers and catchers to report so I thought I'd get this thread warmed up. How are we lookin' for the new season?

[danny's stogie]

Set your keepers.

By the end of the day thursday.

Their salaries do not count against your auction budget...just like last year, everyone gets 200 at auction.

2 hitters
2 pitchers
5 w/ 3 years or under

Anyone on your reserve squad can roll over to this season if you so choose.

[SkinsASchamps]

I think I messed up. Did my keepers make sense? And what is the reserve roster? I forget.