Coles/Gardner/McCants

[BigCountry]

WR's (http://www.redskins.com/story.asp?ContentID=12110)

We had better options then Jacobs at that point as it was and it turns out that life without Taylor wouldn't be very differant now, and maybe even in the future. How much impact can a 4th reciever have? and if so, is that worth a 2nd round pick?

[hail2skins]

Yeah BC, this issue was discussed on the radio yesterday and it makes the pick to Jacobs look bad. They even mentioned that they thought PJ was the faster of the receivers and he's a good ST player. It's good to know we have depth at that position.

[Redbeard]

First - that's a total homer article (AND I AM A TOTAL HOMER). But an Art/Clark/Sanders comparison?? That would be a waste of time to even go into.

On the Jacobs pick. I thought the value of talent fell through on the DL (Kelsay, White, Redding, Long). We were somewhat stocked at DE but I was surprised we passed on Long in the third (and wouldn't he have been nice to have when Wilk' & Noble went out). In any case, I thought "best available athletes" were on the DE, but we were content there. Clearly Spurrier was being passified here.

Usually the "best available athlete" label is a total BS trip anyway. Every year all NFL FOs pick exactly who they want/are infatuated with. And call it the "best available athlete pick" & hide behind that. Jacobs is a good example of our management doing the same.

Wasn't a big fan of the Jacobs pick, but wasn't a big fan of who we already have either, so I took it with mixed feelings - hope he surprises.

Sidenote on Dockery: I'd have stuck with Alex Sulfstead (or Rod Jones or Tre Johnson if you prefer) & drafted R.Long.

What thinks you, guru?

[Spence]

I'd have taken a defensive lineman with that pick, but Jacobs looked like good value at the time. I'm not ready to dump the guy. In a year or two, when Rod Gardner is looking for more money than the Redskins can give him [and that will be the case as long as we're carrying around Laveranues Coles' salary], Taylor Jacobs may come very much in handy.

[camasterton]

DT Rien Long has one special teams tackle and no other stats (sack, int, blocked kick, forced fumble or recovery of a fumble...) for Tennessee. DE Cory Redding has two tackles and no other stats for Detroit. Dwayne White has no stats for Tampa Bay. Chris Kelsay has eight tackles and no other stats for Buffalo. None are starters and only Kelsay has played in more than a few games.

[Spence]

Originally posted by camasterton
DT Rien Long has one special teams tackle and no other stats (sack, int, blocked kick, forced fumble or recovery of a fumble...) for Tennessee. DE Cory Redding has two tackles and no other stats for Detroit. Dwayne White has no stats for Tampa Bay. Chris Kelsay has eight tackles and no other stats for Buffalo. None are starters and only Kelsay has played in more than a few games. Useful stats. Most defensive linemen don't give you much until their second year. It appears to be a tough adjustment to the NFL.

[camasterton]

Your right. Counting on a rookie defensive lineman picked in any round is a crap shoot let alone the 3rd round. Look at Courtney Brown. (Thank you Cleveland Browns!)

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by camasterton
Your right. Counting on a rookie defensive lineman picked in any round is a crap shoot let alone the 3rd round. Look at Courtney Brown. (Thank you Cleveland Browns!)

Were you praying for LaVar as I was the day of the draft? I still don't understand the Brown hype.

[PennSkinsFan]

Geesh, whats up with allof you and Taylor Jacobs. Ready to cave on Jacobs already. Guy has been hurt, McCants his hot, he is a rookie, please people. Everyone was fired up abotu the pick when we made it, but now all of the sudden it was an awful pick? Not me. I will wait and see how Jacobs develops this season and next before writing him off.

[hail2skins]

My comment about it (the pick) looking bad was from a radio show I heard not my feelings. I'm not down on him at all. I didn't like the pick but he's here now and I'd like to see what he can do.

[camasterton]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Were you praying for LaVar as I was the day of the draft? I still don't understand the Brown hype.
Oh goodness yes! I was so happy, cause I did not believe the Cleveland spin. I really thought we would have to eat Brown and not get Arrington/Samuels-Arrington/Urlacker or Samuels/Urlacker.

[ShaggySkins]

Originally posted by camasterton
Oh goodness yes! I was so happy, cause I did not believe the Cleveland spin. I really thought we would have to eat Brown and not get Arrington/Samuels-Arrington/Urlacker or Samuels/Urlacker.

I'll be truthful I was hoping for Lavar and Warrick. Kinda glad we didn't end up with Warrick looking back on it. But Warrick was a killer in college.

[camasterton]

I twitched with the thought of Desmond Howard. I think Snyder did too.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Wow, quick to pull the trigger here. Jacobs is a rookie WR. Those have nasty track records. Then you throw in the injury, and the fact that we have so much depth he wasn't gonna see a ton of playing time anyway, and this is something you could expect.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Wow, quick to pull the trigger here. Jacobs is a rookie WR.

Exactly. He is a rookie in a position that requires the most "time" before success is seen. Not everyone is a Randy Moss in their 1st season. In fact...most WRs dont' even grab 1,000 yards or "breakout" until their 3rd season.

DMC isn't going to drop in the depth chart anytime soon, as long as he continues to pull in TouchDowns.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

DMC isn't going to drop in the depth chart anytime soon, as long as he continues to pull in TouchDowns.

And he shouldn't, either. He's definitely stepping up this year.

[camasterton]

Last year's draft had 8, maybe, maybe 10 guys with sure thing starter written on them. Then there were 40+ other guys who could've been drafted 11th to 50th or lower. We did'nt overpay for Jacobs at #44. (avg. rating was near 18th in the 1st Rd., I think). So far only Ken Hamlin (safety) at #42 is wowing anybody. Maybe Anq. Boldin at #54 too.

[swigfall]

hey, hey, hey now, don't go dissin' my cousin courtney. He has five sacks and three forced fumbles so far. IMO he is outplaying Chris Samuels and Lavar Arrington right now.

[LuvSkins17]

I say give the kid a chance to do his thang...... He has the skills and he was a steal in the draft.

Now.................................... Cliff Russell,.................

that's a horse of a different color:( :( :( :banghead: :banghead: :confused:

[BigCountry]

I'm not saying Jacobs doesn't have a shot. My point was that with McCants playing the way he is, was it a good idea to pass up on an area of need to draft a guy that we may not end up needing.

[Spence]

Originally posted by BigCountry
I'm not saying Jacobs doesn't have a shot. My point was that with McCants playing the way he is, was it a good idea to pass up on an area of need to draft a guy that we may not end up needing. It's a legitimate point. As noted, I would have gone defensive line, but you all know me--I'd draft defensive line with half my picks. However, as Cam pointed out, you usually don't get much of a contribution from rookie D-linemen. We probably wouldn't be much, if any, better off.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by BigCountry
I'm not saying Jacobs doesn't have a shot. My point was that with McCants playing the way he is, was it a good idea to pass up on an area of need to draft a guy that we may not end up needing.

The problem is...we didn't know DMC was going to be this much of a contributor prior to the draft. He had some decent games last year, but not enough to make anyone think a young stud WR out of U of F couldn't leap him on the depth chart. I still contest that taking Jacobs was the right choice. No one could predict his injury that kept him out of the early regular season.

The good news is that our WR core is very deep in talent. We have been lucky that none of our WRs have gone down with injuries. However, if they do, we have some capable talent to call upon.

[PennSkinsFan]

I do as well DJ. jacobs will prove to be a great pick. If McCnats continues to improve like he has, Jacobs will get a ashot and will work out, and the future WR corp will be Coles, McCnats, and Jacobs. Gardner will be too expensive and Arrington contract will be due by then. Meaning...save where you can.

[Redbeard]

Originally posted by Spence
Useful stats. Most defensive linemen don't give you much until their second year. It appears to be a tough adjustment to the NFL.

Yeah, I'll buy into that. That is why I'd have broken them in this year. Nice & gradual like D.White/Buccs; D.Long/Titans, Kelsay/Bills, Redding/Detroit's S.Rogers.

I wouldn't give up on Jacobs 6 games into the season?? We haven't even seen him what he has yet.