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BigCountry
10-14-2003, 05:19 PM
If they're really serious about using it would obviously be to get pressure on the QB so hows about moving LaVar inside, bringing in everyone's favorite name to spell, LaDaris Jackson and rush them both. Trotter and Armstead are capable of covering if they have a clue what their assingment is but if we got more pressure, it has potential of not hurting us that much. On the line I'd put Haley at nose tackle, Bruce Smith at RE and Holsey at LE. Just my 2 cent....

WRSK1NS
10-14-2003, 05:23 PM
I think there are several 3-4 defensive combos that would work. Zelner Upshaw and Wynn with Trotter Mitchell LA and Armstead. Or Bruce Hosley Upshaw and the linebackers mentioned above. I think it is worth a shot but I dont call the shots, so no tellin what we will see. I think we would get more pressure from the 3-4 than we are currently getting.

hail2skins
10-14-2003, 05:24 PM
So LJ (:D) would be considered the 4th LB but play from a down position? Sounds good to me.

Spence
10-14-2003, 06:14 PM
People are interested in the 3-4 because they think we don't have enough good linemen to play four of them at once. They're right. The sad fact is, we probably don't even have enough good linemen to play a 3-4. In fact, I can't think of a single defensive lineman on the roster that I'd particularly care to have on my team.

Emmanouel8
10-14-2003, 08:16 PM
Renaldo Wynn is one I'd keep. He's not great but he's not bad. I'd like to see Kevin Mitchell back in there, I'm not too sure about this L.Jackson at LB stuff, I'd like to see him on the field though.

PennSkinsFan
10-14-2003, 08:18 PM
I will settle for more playing time for Upshaw, Jackson, and Zellner.

Spence
10-14-2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Emmanouel8
Renaldo Wynn is one I'd keep. He's not great but he's not bad. I'd like to see Kevin Mitchell back in there, I'm not too sure about this L.Jackson at LB stuff, I'd like to see him on the field though. Renaldo Wynn is fine as a backup or if you have a monster pass-rusher on the other side. Unfortunately, we don't have that monster pass-rusher and Wynn is starting. And earning too much money, as well.

rskinsfan10
10-14-2003, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
I will settle for more playing time for Upshaw, Jackson, and Zellner.

Agreed on Upshaw and Zellner. I have to wonder what in the hell is going on with Jackson where as to why he isn't even being activated. There must be much more then they are letting on as far as this guy goes. Remember, that was a horrific injury he suffered.

ShaggySkins
10-14-2003, 09:32 PM
I think the 3-4 is very effective but do we really have the personnel to do so???
It requires a very large nose tackle capable of eating up double teams and 2 defensive ends able to hold lineman and stop the run up front.
Bruce Smith clearly doesn't meet that mold nor does any of our DTs. Wynn may fit in properly at one end position but is there really anyone else who fits on the D-Line???

JoeDaSchmoe
10-14-2003, 09:37 PM
As I said in the other thread, I'd go with Dalton at DT, Bruce and Upshaw at DE, and Arrington and Jackson at OLB. Jackson would only be in on passing downs, and of course we'd have rotations at the linemen spots with Zellner, Wynn, & Co. depending on the situation.

Ford
10-15-2003, 03:22 AM
All talk of the 3-4 this season is rediculous. Our D can't seem to grasp the current system, you want to throw a completely new formation and style of play at them 6 games into the season?

WRSK1NS
10-15-2003, 05:00 AM
Well according to the W. Post they have used it some this year already. I thought I had spotted it once or twice. 3 down lineman with LA coming off the corner. I think our personell is better suited for the 3-4.

Patrick
10-15-2003, 06:48 AM
Well from reading above, it looks like we've got some quality backups, so I guess the off season focus will be obtaining some four starters. BUT we really CAN'T go the FA route because we MUST sign Champ (this year) and Lavar (next). CAN'T draft four players that will be impact players right away (maybe 1 or 2 and that a big MAYBE).
Hmmmmm, seem like we are in one hell of a predicament.

skins74
10-15-2003, 08:57 AM
We can't over pay for Champ. He is good , but he hasn't been on fire lately. He doesn't get very many INTs. Although if we had a good pass russ he would be better. We need to get a defensive end that can get all the way to the QB. We have gotten rid of players that could get to the QB. I think there is poor management at the Redskins. I think DBS is very impulsive and it has hurt the team over the years. Brad Johnson make me want to puke.

hail2skins
10-15-2003, 09:33 AM
Welcome to hR skins74, glad you joined us. I think Champ is having a great year and he doesn't get the INT's because teams don't throw his way often. That tells you something right there.

ShaggySkins
10-15-2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by skins74
We can't over pay for Champ. He is good , but he hasn't been on fire lately. He doesn't get very many INTs.

Are u kidding???? Champ has been great for most of the year. He has only given up 1 touchdown pass that I can recall and that was to Toomer who always has his number. Champ doesn't get many INTs because QBs are scared to throw at him very often. He shuts down half the field on his own and is clearly the best CB in the league by a longshot.

Spence
10-15-2003, 10:08 AM
Champ is the best. He doesn't get a lot of interceptions because most QBs are afraid to throw at him. Darrell Green rarely got many interceptions either. Same reason. There was a year or two where Darrell got two interceptions and Barry Wilburn got nine. Did that make Wilburn 4.5 times better than Green? Hardly. It just illustrated how teams threw at Wilburn instead of Darrell.

When it comes to passing, rule #1 is: Don't throw at the future Hall of Famer.

Skinzaholic
10-15-2003, 10:57 AM
My only worry about going to this new defense is the over pursuit of our LB's (mostly Lavar). With no good DT to clog the line and help stop the run... I fear our LB's will be preoccupied with the stopping the run... leaving the middle of the field open (as they have done so far). A few play actions will pull Lavar out of the play due to his speed and pursuit... that will also pull the LB's up and open up the middle.

Bottom line... we are hurting at DT (as we all knew was the case). Im not convinced changing the scheme will solve that.

PennSkinsFan
10-15-2003, 11:23 AM
we are hurting ont he DLien period,. not just DT. Our DEs are not getting pressure either. I think giving Upshaw mor eplaying time, because he can be intense, and getting Jackson involved mayhelp the pass rush.