Tyrod Taylor

[brittania1]

Anyone else think that he might have what it takes to be a starter in the NFL. Watching him especially these past two years has convinced me. I'm hoping the redskins might be able to get him somewhere in 3-4 rd and let him sit behind mcnabb for a year or so. When do you guys think he'll go in the draft and do you think the redskins should go after him.

[Dolla Bill]

He'll go in late in the draft, or undrafted. He's not bad, but I don't think he has a great deep ball. He's great at escaping and scrambling to throw, but in the NFL lineman will be able to run him down. Its just a different game. He's a good college QB, but I don't think he has what it takes for the NFL.

[cal_junior]

Anyone else think that he might have what it takes to be a starter in the NFL. Watching him especially these past two years has convinced me. I'm hoping the redskins might be able to get him somewhere in 3-4 rd and let him sit behind mcnabb for a year or so. When do you guys think he'll go in the draft and do you think the redskins should go after him.

He's kind of short, no? I got the impression he was an ARE-type who might be a WR in the NFL.

[dj_stouty]

He's kind of short, no? I got the impression he was an ARE-type who might be a WR in the NFL.

He is 6'1" when wearing 3 inch spiked cleats. lol

I agree with Dolla that he will probably go late or not at all. His mobility is great; but I question his ability to nail down all of the NFL-esque passes.

[Ibleedburgundy]

He could maybe be the next Randle El if he's lucky.

[BurgundyNGold]

He'll go in late in the draft, or undrafted. He's not bad, but I don't think he has a great deep ball. He's great at escaping and scrambling to throw, but in the NFL lineman will be able to run him down. Its just a different game. He's a good college QB, but I don't think he has what it takes for the NFL.
Agreed. A better question might be about Terrelle Pryor.

[akhhorus]

Agreed. A better question might be about Terrelle Pryor.

He's just Tyrod on stilts.

[BurgundyNGold]

He's just Tyrod on stilts.
I know lol. But it's a more realistic discussion. You know that someone will reach for Pryor.

BTW, I love the name Tyrod. I almost made a joke about Swaybar Smith or Alternator Anderson lmao.

[akhhorus]

I know lol. But it's a more realistic discussion. You know that someone will reach for him.

I would be surprised if he leaves. It makes more sense to wait until 2012. Especially since he'll have to compete with Cam Newton for those who want Vince Young but want someone less polished as a QB.

[cal_junior]

He's just Tyrod on stilts.

If Terrelle Pryor has good enough hands someone should stick 25-30 pounds on him and make him a TE. He's a freakish athlete.

That said, I have better touch on short passes than he does. He'll never be an NFL quarterback. At least not a competent one.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

i think he'd be a better kick returner or db than he ever would be nfl qb.

[Skaggsrules]

He's a premier athlete, but a terrible QB...running around like he does now won't work in the NFL, pass on him as a QB

[give_portis_the_rock]

I'm a Hokie so I would love to see him excel in the NFL. But I doubt it.

If Tebow gets some reps as quarterback this season for the Broncos, and is successful, maybe that will change some NFL teams' minds. But for now, it is assumed that college quarterbacks who can run won't succeed in the NFL.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm a Hokie so I would love to see him excel in the NFL. But I doubt it.

If Tebow gets some reps as quarterback this season for the Broncos, and is successful, maybe that will change some NFL teams' minds. But for now, it is assumed that college quarterbacks who can run won't succeed in the NFL.
I think that might be oversimplifying the case on Tebow. He's a heck of an athlete, but his problems at QB run deep. From having mechanical problems (both arm and footwork) to not running anything that resembled an pro style offense at Florida (the spread option just doesn't translate).

[Lavar703]

He's a premier athlete, but a terrible QB...running around like he does now won't work in the NFL, pass on him as a QB

He's not a terrible QB, he just makes poor decisions. He can make any throw but you're right he spends far too much time dancing around in the backfield. I think if he were developed by a good coach like Shanahan he could be a valuable back-up but I don't see him ever being an impact QB at the next level.

[give_portis_the_rock]

I think that might be oversimplifying the case on Tebow. He's a heck of an athlete, but his problems at QB run deep. From having mechanical problems (both arm and footwork) to not running anything that resembled an pro style offense at Florida (the spread option just doesn't translate).

I don't know all that much about football, so you're probably right about Tebow.

But I know for sure that personnel people in the NFL are hesitant to overcome their prejudices and dogmas.

For example: everybody said that Troy Smith is too short to play quarterback in the NFL. But he's playing very well right now.

[BurgundyNGold]

I don't know all that much about football, so you're probably right about Tebow.

But I know for sure that personnel people in the NFL are hesitant to overcome their prejudices and dogmas.

For example: everybody said that Troy Smith is too short to play quarterback in the NFL. But he's playing very well right now.
That's true, but Troy Smith was a pretty good QB in college -- not just some amazing athlete playing QB. His big knock was his size. And, FWIW, the NFL braintrusts get plenty of guys wrong who are supposed to be "can't miss" prospects. ;)

[Lavar703]

Alright I have really changed my stance here. Tyrod Taylor has developed so much this year, he's a completely different QB. He can throw on the run and senses pressure, just an amazing improvement from one year to the next. He has touch on his passes and can scramble away from rushers. I think he may start to creep up the draft board to possibly the 3rd round or so.

[Dolla Bill]

Alright I have really changed my stance here. Tyrod Taylor has developed so much this year, he's a completely different QB. He can throw on the run and senses pressure, just an amazing improvement from one year to the next. He has touch on his passes and can scramble away from rushers. I think he may start to creep up the draft board to possibly the 3rd round or so.

I can see that someone reaching for him in the 3rd-5th round. The knock on him was how inconsistent his passes could be, but lately he's been on the money.

[Lavar703]

I can see that someone reaching for him in the 3rd-5th round. The knock on him was how inconsistent his passes could be, but lately he's been on the money.

The crazy thing is I don't know if you can consider it a reach anymore. Last year he made me want to pull all my hair out but his accuracy has really improved and we all know his scrambling ability. I don't think he could start right away at the next level but after a couple years of development its possible.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

he'd be good to run the wildcat,and would be a great wr,but not qb because of his size.

[Lavar703]

he'd be good to run the wildcat,and would be a great wr,but not qb because of his size.

He's about the same size as Drew Brees. Intangibles are much more important than a QB's build.

[VegasSkinsFan]

He's about the same size as Drew Brees. Intangibles are much more important than a QB's build.

I was impressed with both Taylor and Cam Newton yesterday. Except for watching the Redskins play, i much prefer college ball...the kids play hungry.

[BurgundyNGold]

The crazy thing is I don't know if you can consider it a reach anymore. Last year he made me want to pull all my hair out but his accuracy has really improved and we all know his scrambling ability. I don't think he could start right away at the next level but after a couple years of development its possible.
You know what would be hilariously symmetrical (and therefore mifght actually happen) is if the Redskins, after getting beaten up by Vick so bad, decide to draft his VT alum Tyrod Taylor. Then, McNabb would have to groom him as a possible replacment just like he brought Vick along last year.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

He's about the same size as Drew Brees. Intangibles are much more important than a QB's build

that is true,but unless we get some good OLinemen,we could put king kong back there and he'd still get sacked!

[RedHokieSkin]

I'm a Hokie too so there's some bias, but I have never expected anything from our QBs in the NFL except for Michael Vick.

Taylor is a much better passing quarterback than Vick was at this stage. He has shown this year that he can make all the throws from the pocket and while on the run. He keeps his eyes downfield but can still hurt you with the run. The other thing no one has mentioned is that he's been a great leader on the team.

I actually think he has some real potential in the NFL. I could see him as a 5th - 6th round pick with a lot of upside. He is seeing the field really well, is confident, a great leader, and can hurt you with his legs. I don't get the size thing people keep mentioning...I thought saying someone couldn't make it because of size had been proven wrong years ago...

What I don't think is that he could play many other positions. Yeah, he can run, but that's not his game and I don't think he'd be successful at WR outside of maybe a possession guy. He might be similar to Randle El just without the punt return ability...

[Ibleedburgundy]

He's about the same size as Drew Brees. Intangibles are much more important than a QB's build.

Brees is the exception, not the rule. Also, Brees was exceptionally accurate at Perdue. Taylor looked good against FSU but FSU's defense has been awful the past 2 years.

[Skaggsrules]

Being a Hokie Hater, my opinion is biased as well

Ok, my statement about him being a terrible QB might be too harsh, but he is not a good QB. He has made a ton of strides, I will admit that, but he also plays against terrible teams. He can't throw a deep ball, he has one good throw in him, other than that, it's way overthrown or way underthrown (usually ends up as pass interference because of the terrible corners in the ACC not turning around for an easy pick). Also, he lost to JMU, he had a fumble where no one touched him, and he threw a terrible pick. Good QB's don't lose to JMU (Joe Flacco lost to JMU his junior year, but his senior year put him on the map). The Stanford game will show whether he'll be a draftable QB, or an athlete.

He'd be a huge project, even Vick needed 10 years to be a good passer. Taylor might be further ahead than Vick, but Vick played 2 years at VT, so if Taylor wasn't, he'd be done as a QB for NFL purposes.

If he is brought on undrafted, I'll see what he can do, but I wouldn't use a pick on him

[Lavar703]

Being a Hokie Hater, my opinion is biased as well

Ok, my statement about him being a terrible QB might be too harsh, but he is not a good QB. He has made a ton of strides, I will admit that, but he also plays against terrible teams. He can't throw a deep ball, he has one good throw in him, other than that, it's way overthrown or way underthrown (usually ends up as pass interference because of the terrible corners in the ACC not turning around for an easy pick). Also, he lost to JMU, he had a fumble where no one touched him, and he threw a terrible pick. Good QB's don't lose to JMU (Joe Flacco lost to JMU his junior year, but his senior year put him on the map). The Stanford game will show whether he'll be a draftable QB, or an athlete.

He'd be a huge project, even Vick needed 10 years to be a good passer. Taylor might be further ahead than Vick, but Vick played 2 years at VT, so if Taylor wasn't, he'd be done as a QB for NFL purposes.

If he is brought on undrafted, I'll see what he can do, but I wouldn't use a pick on him

You've obviously missed his play this year because he is a completely different QB.

[redskin_rich]

He's about the same size as Drew Brees. Intangibles are much more important than a QB's build.
Agreed. Mobility is just as important as size, the prototype pure pocket passer is headed to extinction because its so hard to keep them healthy. I know the best right now fit the prototype -- Brady, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger-- but those kind of players aren't available in the draft on a yearly basis. Smaller, mobile QB's with the needed acumen to play at the pro level are more readily available and you don't have to build a stonewall O-Line to keep them upright.

I'm not sure where Tyrod projects in the draft right now but I would definitely take a look at him with a 3rd-4th rd pick, maybe even a 2nd if we could slide down and get another pick.

[Skaggsrules]

You've obviously missed his play this year because he is a completely different QB.

I've seen a lot of his play, and a lot of it revolves around him running around for 7-8 seconds until the corners can't cover receivers that long. He made not as many poor decisions, but he's not that much different as a passer. In the NFL, he wouldn't have time to run around, and I'm not sold on his ability to throw with the pressure in his face. The ACC is a weak conference, and he still was only a 60% completion passer this year, which could go below with a poor game against Stanford. He has improved, I admit that, but he's still not a draftable QB prospect. He needs a great Orange Bowl game, and get an invite to the Senior Bowl, and perform well there. Until then, I stand by what I said

[ph33rtheD]

Troy smith clone with maybe a tad more atheleticism.. pass

[Lavar703]

Troy smith clone with maybe a tad more atheleticism.. pass

I really don't see the comparison other than they are both black QB's. Troy Smith is nowhere near the athlete Tyrod Taylor is, really there is no comparison between these two. Tyrod has a big arm and Troy Smith is more of a west-coast short pass QB.

[cal_junior]

Tyrod has a big arm and Troy Smith is more of a west-coast short pass QB.

Troy Smith has a huge arm.

[Skaggsrules]

Troy smith was a better passer at that point in his career then Tyrod is at this point, and performed against better competition. Tyrod's arm is on par with Troy smith...Tyrod right now shouldn't be more than what Troy smith was rated, and I believe he was a 6th rounder.

[ph33rtheD]

Troy smith was a better passer at that point in his career then Tyrod is at this point, and performed against better competition. Tyrod's arm is on par with Troy smith...Tyrod right now shouldn't be more than what Troy smith was rated, and I believe he was a 6th rounder.

+1 they both have arms. Troy smith had better talent around him and was the QB of the # 1 team at the time so he may have looked better. Coming out of college id say troy smith was a a bit more polished as a passer while Tyrod is the better athlete.. other than that they grade out similiarly IMO

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I would be surprised if he leaves. It makes more sense to wait until 2012. Especially since he'll have to compete with Cam Newton for those who want Vince Young but want someone less polished as a QB.

He has to leave he is a senior.

The SKINS should be able to get him in the 6th. Taylor is more accurate than Troy Smith. The kid is a good passer and can move. He will succeed as long as they don't move him from QB, he will take a few years to get stronger and fit into a pro passing system. Good prospect to help the SKINS build.

[tuckahoeskin]

Tyrod Taylor can run like nobody's business, but he has poor accuracy. If he were to improve that, he could do something. Without it, he's a late round pick, if at all.

[Lavar703]

Tyrod Taylor can run like nobody's business, but he has poor accuracy. If he were to improve that, he could do something. Without it, he's a late round pick, if at all.

It really doesn't help that he's getting killed all game. Stinespring has to be the worse offensive coordinator in all of college football. I have never seem a guy do so little with so much talent.

[Skaggsrules]

He has to leave he is a senior.

The SKINS should be able to get him in the 6th. Taylor is more accurate than Troy Smith. The kid is a good passer and can move. He will succeed as long as they don't move him from QB, he will take a few years to get stronger and fit into a pro passing system. Good prospect to help the SKINS build.

Taylor is no where near the passer Troy Smith was, especially when it comes to accuracy. If you're not accurate in college, you won't be in the NFL. I've been very critical, and I wanted to see him vs. a quality defense in Stanford tonight, and he failed. I will say this with all honesty...Armanti Edwards was a better QB prospect coming out of App St than Tyrod Taylor is right now, and he had no shot at being a QB. Any pick used with the intention of making Tyrod a QB is a wasted pick....He's still a great athlete, but he got a glimpse of how a NFL defense would handle him, and he couldn't handle it.

[tuckahoeskin]

It really doesn't help that he's getting killed all game. Stinespring has to be the worse offensive coordinator in all of college football. I have never seem a guy do so little with so much talent.

He wasn't getting killed in the first half, and those were the open passes that he missed that hurt so much.

[BurgundyNGold]

I wouldn't mind taking a late round flier on Taylor. I spelled out my thoughts here:

http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=1366653&postcount=296

He is amazing athlete but he's 2-3 years out from being an option at QB for whoever drafts him. He is not NFL ready but he could provide instant Wildcat.

As an aside, I think that playing in the same division as Vick would be beneficial for him. He'd have to face Vick twice a year. After having been compared to Vick his whole college career, he'd have a chance to face down the legend twice a year -- something he could never do in college. He'd have a chance to show that he is better than Vick. That could be a powerful, career-building motivational issue. So, I wouldn't mind taking a gamble on that situation provided the pick came in round 5 or later.