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akhhorus
12-06-2010, 11:29 AM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss

esmith1790
12-06-2010, 11:45 AM
Good Job as always. I saw a comment in a thread that you were going to post your latest draft. I like the pick for the cowboys. He is the best DL avaiable and is what the cowboys need.

skins4life24
12-06-2010, 11:47 AM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss

Great Job as always, I like the Pettis pick I think he has been very well coached in college and will be able to make an immediate impact (the anti-Devin Thomas so to speak)

If Hasslett gets fired do you think we stick with a coach that knows the 3-4 or does Shanny lose his interest in the scheme? If we get Nick Fairly a 4-3 front of Orak - Fairly - Haynesworth - Carter/Lorenzo would be very formidable against the run or the pass!

Where are we at with the 3rd/4th rounders, don't we still have one depending on final record? I thought I remembered that we give philly our 3rd if we win 9 games or more and we give them a 4th if we win less than 9?
Or am I hallucinating again?

CNYSkinFan
12-06-2010, 11:58 AM
I love how you have us picking another 4-3 guy to convert into the 3-4. We gotta be the only team who consistently drafts players to put them in systems they are uncomfortable with (Orakpo at LB, JC as west coast qb, etc etc).

And I can see it happening too, though I wonder if picking at 15 is too low for us right now

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 12:02 PM
Great Job as always, I like the Pettis pick I think he has been very well coached in college and will be able to make an immediate impact (the anti-Devin Thomas so to speak)

If Hasslett gets fired do you think we stick with a coach that knows the 3-4 or does Shanny lose his interest in the scheme? If we get Nick Fairly a 4-3 front of Orak - Fairly - Haynesworth - Carter/Lorenzo would be very formidable against the run or the pass!

Where are we at with the 3rd/4th rounders, don't we still have one depending on final record? I thought I remembered that we give philly our 3rd if we win 9 games or more and we give them a 4th if we win less than 9?
Or am I hallucinating again?

In order:
1-Thanks!
2-I think we bring in a guy who coaches the same basic 3-4 Eagle system, which is why I think Wade Phillips is on the table.
3-Right now, we would give our 3rd to the Saints, and get a 5th+6th in return and the 4th would go to the Eagles.

I love how you have us picking another 4-3 guy to convert into the 3-4. We gotta be the only team who consistently drafts players to put them in systems they are uncomfortable with (Orakpo at LB, JC as west coast qb, etc etc).

And I can see it happening too, though I wonder if picking at 15 is too low for us right now

Fairley can literally play any DLine position in any scheme. Moving him to 5-tech DE would be a great move imo. Think Richard Seymour, only faster and nastier.

NCskinsfanatic
12-06-2010, 12:02 PM
Great Job as always, I like the Pettis pick I think he has been very well coached in college and will be able to make an immediate impact (the anti-Devin Thomas so to speak)

If Hasslett gets fired do you think we stick with a coach that knows the 3-4 or does Shanny lose his interest in the scheme? If we get Nick Fairly a 4-3 front of Orak - Fairly - Haynesworth - Carter/Lorenzo would be very formidable against the run or the pass!

Where are we at with the 3rd/4th rounders, don't we still have one depending on final record? I thought I remembered that we give philly our 3rd if we win 9 games or more and we give them a 4th if we win less than 9? Or am I hallucinating again?

That is correct but then we are forced to give NO our 3rd for Brown, hence the 5th and 6th rounders from Nola.

esmith1790
12-06-2010, 12:03 PM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss

Could you please comment on the thought process of the re-building the OL.

Most teams have 9-10 players 5 starters and 1 swing tackle 1 swing guard and back up center active on game day. that leaves 2 project players.

LT, Williams
LG, DD or CL
C, CR
RG, AH, WM
RT, JB

Cook and Capers are the projects this year. So with you drafting John Moffitt, Alex Linnenkohl, and Jason Pinkston, what does your depth chart look like in 2011?

Without the skins currently getting any game time for Cook or Capers in 2010, do you feel confident going in 2011 with that much experience?

NCskinsfanatic
12-06-2010, 12:08 PM
Good stuff as usual there akh, I too think 15 is too low. I see us finishing 6-10, maybe 7-9 at best , there are no sure wins left on the schedule...especially how this team is playing. Haslett has to go, it may be the missed tackles more than the scheme as Fletcher contends but he has also been flat out beaten like a drum all year long and has dismantled a decent defense and turned it into the leagues worst. I dont usually like ex-cowboys but Wade knows Garrett, which is a plus, and he is a proven winner as a DC...unlike Hasnot. I'd also like to add, as much as it pains me to say it, that I think we'll finish in the cellar...behind the cowpukes if we dont start playing with some passion and intensity.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 12:09 PM
Could you please comment on the thought process of the re-building the OL.

Most teams have 9-10 players 5 starters and 1 swing tackle 1 swing guard and back up center active on game day. that leaves 2 project players.

LT, Williams
LG, DD or CL
C, CR
RG, AH, WM
RT, JB

Cook and Capers are the projects this year. So with you drafting John Moffitt, Alex Linnenkohl, and Jason Pinkston, what does your depth chart look like in 2011?

Without the skins currently getting any game time for Cook or Capers in 2010, do you feel confident going in 2011 with that much experience?

Considering the play of Trent Williams and Will Montgomery without much experience, I don't know how important that is. If they keep Brown at RT(which I think its very likely), I think that the Oline for 2011 for the skins looks like this:

LT: Williams
LG: ??? or Litchensteinger
OC: Cook or Montgomery
RG: Montgomery or ???
RT: Brown

LT backup: Capers
OC backup: Cook or Montgomery
OG backup: Litchensteiger,????
Swing OLman: Artis Hicks

With my draft ideas here:
LT: Williams
LG: Moffitt
OC: Cook or Linnenkohl
RG: Litchensteiger or Montgomery
RT: Brown

OT backups: Capers, Pinkston and Hicks
OG: backups: Hicks, Montgomery, Litchensteiger+Vet

skins4life24
12-06-2010, 12:30 PM
In order:
1-Thanks!
2-I think we bring in a guy who coaches the same basic 3-4 Eagle system, which is why I think Wade Phillips is on the table.
3-Right now, we would give our 3rd to the Saints, and get a 5th+6th in return and the 4th would go to the Eagles.

I would love to see us fire Haslett and promote Spanos to see if he can run this D to his liking similar to the Steelers. I feel like Wade will be to proud to take a D-Coordinator job (a mistake by him).

With your pick of Fairly do you assume Hayensworth is here next year or not?

cal_junior
12-06-2010, 12:32 PM
We gotta be the only team who consistently drafts players to put them in systems they are uncomfortable with (Orakpo at LB, JC as west coast qb, etc etc).

Were we running a West Coast offense when we drafted JC? I thought he was a Gibbs guy

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 12:32 PM
I would love to see us fire Haslett and promote Spanos to see if he can run this D to his liking similar to the Steelers. I feel like Wade will be to proud to take a D-Coordinator job (a mistake by him).

With your pick of Fairly do you assume Hayensworth is here next year or not?

Spanos apparently has no interest in being a coordinator ever.

I hope we would keep Haynesworth even if we drafted Fairley.

skins4life24
12-06-2010, 12:43 PM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss

Any possibilities on a developmental QB (T.J. Yates, Ben Chappell, Scott Tolzien) in the works or will that be pushed to a latter draft?

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 12:48 PM
Any possibilities on a developmental QB (T.J. Yates, Ben Chappell, Scott Tolzien) in the works or will that be pushed to a latter draft?

If it happens, it'll be someone late in the draft or undrafted.

new guy
12-06-2010, 12:52 PM
Akh I see that you dont have Cam Newton going in the first round do you honestly believe after the year he's having that no one will take a chance on him in the first?

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 12:58 PM
Akh I see that you dont have Cam Newton going in the first round do you honestly believe after the year he's having that no one will take a chance on him in the first?

Unless during his pro days that he shows that he can be a good pro style offense QB(which I seriously doubt), I think that the Vince Young experience in the NFL is going to drop him into the 3rd round right now. I also think that this applies to Tyrod Taylor also.

cal_junior
12-06-2010, 01:00 PM
Akh I see that you dont have Cam Newton going in the first round do you honestly believe after the year he's having that no one will take a chance on him in the first?

FWIW, Peter King said the other day Newton should be a top-10 pick unless teams dig up more dirt on him.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 01:01 PM
FWIW, Peter King said the other day Newton should be a top-10 pick unless teams dig up more dirt on him.

Its very possible that some dumb team decides to do that, but I'm not buying it yet. Gimmick system running Qbs with a big arm, we've seen this movie before lol.

cal_junior
12-06-2010, 01:05 PM
Its very possible that some dumb team decides to do that, but I'm not buying it yet. Gimmick system running Qbs with a big arm, we've seen this movie before lol.

If Tim Tebow can be drafted in the first round anything is possible.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 01:06 PM
If Tim Tebow can be drafted in the first round anything is possible.

Tebow did it for 3.5 seasons, including 2 titles and 20+ games in a row won(roughly). He also earned points with the NFL with his competitive fire. I haven't seen Newton deal with adversity with the same sort of drive/fire.

Also, the GM who drafted him(McDaniels) might be clinically retarded lol.

cal_junior
12-06-2010, 01:45 PM
Tebow did it for 3.5 seasons, including 2 titles and 20+ games in a row won(roughly). He also earned points with the NFL with his competitive fire. I haven't seen Newton deal with adversity with the same sort of drive/fire.

Adversity? It seemed like for four years Florida was up by 20 points, lol.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 01:52 PM
Adversity? It seemed like for four years Florida was up by 20 points, lol.

This is what I'm talking about (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sGv2Zw-WQw&feature=related)

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Tebow, and I didn't think much of him as a prospect, but its hard to think of a player who demonstrated more leadership and fire than Tebow did at Florida. The only evidence I have of Cam Newton's mental makeup is him dancing around with that "My IQ is smaller than my waist+shoe size combined" look on his face and that he supposed had no clue that his father was shopping him around(and telling him everything to do for his career according to ESPN). Tebow's intangibles got him into the 1st round(when he probably shouldn't have anyways). Newton might get a flyer shot in the 1st by some team desperate to sell tickets, but after Vince Young's career, I seriously doubt he goes before the 3rd round.

joethefan
12-06-2010, 02:21 PM
So Akh what's your take on McNabb and why should he be the QB next year? Not sure we're gonna get a better effort out of him next year esp if we pay him 10 mil. Can you comment on possible FA's that we may go after?

ME personally, I'm tired of us not going after a young QB. Via the draft or what and other teams wind up with a bradford, freeeman or ryan and here we are with a washed up has been. I would like to see shanny have the balls to go after a QB in the 2nd. At least it shows the fans they are planning for the future...or is Beck the future?

Jason Campbell was a second rounder at best. I just wish we'd stop with the win now syndrome and let the fans know what are they trying to do. Giving away depth in a 2nd and a possible 3rd is no difference from what Vinnie and Gibbs did with draft picks. I said from the beginning when Shanny came, i'm gonna judge him on how he handles the next 2-3 drafts. And so far I'm not liking what we got in returnfor those picks. But I do understand that he inherited a messso I won't attck him now like I see many people do. i'll wait another 2-3 and if it hasn't changed, then I'll be screaming.

cal_junior
12-06-2010, 02:28 PM
ts hard to think of a player who demonstrated more leadership and fire than Tebow did at Florida.

Agreed. But it was the most annoying leadership in the history of leadership, lol.

*ducks to avoid God's wrath*

Lavar703
12-06-2010, 02:30 PM
There is absolutely no way Fairley falls out of the top 5 at this point. He's currently the best DL in college football.

NCskinsfanatic
12-06-2010, 02:55 PM
There is absolutely no way Fairley falls out of the top 5 at this point. He's currently the best DL in college football.

Well if we dont win another game...which is possible, he might not have to fall out of the top 5 for us to still draft him lol.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 03:55 PM
So Akh what's your take on McNabb and why should he be the QB next year? Not sure we're gonna get a better effort out of him next year esp if we pay him 10 mil. Can you comment on possible FA's that we may go after?

I don't think McNabb is the problem. Look at yesterday, how many passes were flat out dropped? Yes, he's missing some receivers and struggling with the blitz(but thats also on the oline more imo), but I counted 10 out of McNabb's 16 incompletions that were flat out dropped. Also, I don't see any free agent or trade candidate QB out there next offseason who would be any better. I'd rather overpay McNabb than suffer through a Brady Quinn era lol.


There is absolutely no way Fairley falls out of the top 5 at this point. He's currently the best DL in college football.

I don't think he'll go top 5. Darius will be the first DLman off the board(and I think he's better than Fairley actually) barring some collapse in his stock and there's too many blue chippers at other positions, so he's going to drop.

Lavar703
12-06-2010, 04:45 PM
I don't think McNabb is the problem. Look at yesterday, how many passes were flat out dropped? Yes, he's missing some receivers and struggling with the blitz(but thats also on the oline more imo), but I counted 10 out of McNabb's 16 incompletions that were flat out dropped. Also, I don't see any free agent or trade candidate QB out there next offseason who would be any better. I'd rather overpay McNabb than suffer through a Brady Quinn era lol.




I don't think he'll go top 5. Darius will be the first DLman off the board(and I think he's better than Fairley actually) barring some collapse in his stock and there's too many blue chippers at other positions, so he's going to drop.

I don't know AKH, Fairley has been an unblockable monster this year. He clearly outplayed Marcel Dareus in the Iron Bowl and dominated Bama's front all game long. I dont think there is another player whose stock has risen like Fairley's.

Lavar703
12-06-2010, 04:48 PM
Don't get me wrong AKH I would be incredibly happy if we could walk away with Fairley-Pettis in the first two rounds but I doubt we will go after him because he is more of a 4-3 DT and I don't see him fitting in here. It's more likely we go Julio Jones in the first and Jerell Powe in the 2nd even though I see nothing special in Powe.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 04:49 PM
I don't know AKH, Fairley has been an unblockable monster this year. He clearly outplayed Marcel Dareus in the Iron Bowl and dominated Bama's front all game long. I dont think there is another player whose stock has risen like Fairley's.

Andrew Luck on line 2 for you lol. Fairley could go that high, but he would have to have an amazing combine, and I still think Dareus goes before him(especially since he's been a great player for 2 seasons basically).


Don't get me wrong AKH I would be incredibly happy if we could walk away with Fairley-Pettis in the first two rounds but I doubt we will go after him because he is more of a 4-3 DT and I don't see him fitting in here. It's more likely we go Julio Jones in the first and Jerell Powe in the 2nd even though I see nothing special in Powe.

At 6-5 300 and quickness, he's a good fit for the 5-tech DE spot. He's a high talent Ty Warren(another 4-3 DT who made the transition to 3-4 DE).

Lavar703
12-06-2010, 04:54 PM
Andrew Luck on line 2 for you lol. Fairley could go that high, but he would have to have an amazing combine, and I still think Dareus goes before him(especially since he's been a great player for 2 seasons basically).




At 6-5 300 and quickness, he's a good fit for the 5-tech DE spot.

I think everyone(excluding you of course) in the country expected it to be a heated battle between Locker and Luck for the first pick in the draft this year, however that turned out to be a laugher as Luck is far and away the best QB in the country and Locker has proven he is major work in progress.

I'm with you AKH, I want Fairley here I just don't see him falling to us but then again I don't see us winning another game so he may not have to fall far. I just have absolutely no clue what we're going to do at NT unless we sign someone like Franklin from the 49ers but he will command big money and is on the wrong side of 30.

Arkangiest
12-06-2010, 05:09 PM
I hope and pray that the Redskins draft a monster D-lineman. Dareus or Fairley would be so huge in improving the defense.

Assuming the Skins draft in the 6-15 range, what blue chipper is most likely to be taken? The holes on this team are obvious, if we had a chance at a certain player which direction should Bruce Allen go? Is cornerback as big of a need that I perceive it to be? Which guy would make the most sense in these different scenarios?


pick 6-9 Prince Amukamara, Nick Fairley, or AJ Green

pick 9-12 Julio Jones, Robert Quinn, Brandon Harris

pick 12-15 Mark Ingram, Janoris Jenkins, Ryan Kerrigan

cal_junior
12-06-2010, 05:40 PM
pick 6-9 Prince Amukamara,

Yes, please. Daddy likey

SkinsKY
12-06-2010, 06:04 PM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss

After watching Pettis when I was in Boise a few weeks ago, I've become a bg fan of his. Wouldn't mind seeing him here.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 07:23 PM
I think everyone(excluding you of course) in the country expected it to be a heated battle between Locker and Luck for the first pick in the draft this year, however that turned out to be a laugher as Luck is far and away the best QB in the country and Locker has proven he is major work in progress.

Locker is a 4th rounder right now. Maybe.

I'm with you AKH, I want Fairley here I just don't see him falling to us but then again I don't see us winning another game so he may not have to fall far. I just have absolutely no clue what we're going to do at NT unless we sign someone like Franklin from the 49ers but he will command big money and is on the wrong side of 30.

I would sign a couple vets like Pat Williams and Anthony Adams and just rotate them.

I hope and pray that the Redskins draft a monster D-lineman. Dareus or Fairley would be so huge in improving the defense.

Assuming the Skins draft in the 6-15 range, what blue chipper is most likely to be taken? The holes on this team are obvious, if we had a chance at a certain player which direction should Bruce Allen go? Is cornerback as big of a need that I perceive it to be? Which guy would make the most sense in these different scenarios?


pick 6-9 Prince Amukamara, Nick Fairley, or AJ Green


I doubt Green lasts that long. I like Amukamara, but I don't think that taking a CB high is too productive.

pick 9-12 Julio Jones, Robert Quinn, Brandon Harris

Wouldn't mind Jones, Quinn I would pass on(medical issues) and pass on Harris.

pick 12-15 Mark Ingram, Janoris Jenkins, Ryan Kerrigan

Ingram probably won't be here. Jenkins, pass. Kerrigan looks like iron pyrite.

Lavar703
12-06-2010, 08:01 PM
There is absolutely no way Locker falls past the 3rd and even that is stretching it. I know you dislike him and that's fine but I have seen worse go much higher. I doubt he goes in the first round but there is no way a team like Buffalo or Cinci. passes on him in the 2nd.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 08:03 PM
There is absolutely no way Locker falls past the 3rd and even that is stretching it. I know you dislike him and that's fine but I have seen worse go much higher. I doubt he goes in the first round but there is no way a team like Buffalo or Cinci. passes on him in the 2nd.

I remember people saying "no way that Jimmy Clausen" falls past the 49ers or the mid 1st round last year lol. I honestly don't see what anyone sees in him and if guys like Newton and Pryor jump into the draft, he'll sink barring a great combine.

Lavar703
12-06-2010, 08:13 PM
I remember people saying "no way that Jimmy Clausen" falls past the 49ers or the mid 1st round last year lol. I honestly don't see what anyone sees in him and if guys like Newton and Pryor jump into the draft, he'll sink barring a great combine.

I'll just end it here AKH, you know my feelings on Locker and I know how you feel. This is one thing you and I will never agree on LOL

BurgundyNGold
12-06-2010, 08:16 PM
I'll just end it here AKH, you know my feelings on Locker and I know how you feel. This is one thing you and I will never agree on LOL
The good thing is that Locker will get drafted. And before long, we'll be able to settle the debate. I suggest a bourbon bet. I further suggest the I be present to ensure proper payment to the winner lol.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 08:19 PM
The good thing is that Locker will get drafted. And before long, we'll be able to settle the debate. I suggest a bourbon bet. I further suggest the I be present to ensure proper payment to the winner lol.

Listen, if you just want bourbon, go out and buy it, you don't need to try and take a cut lol


I'll just end it here AKH, you know my feelings on Locker and I know how you feel. This is one thing you and I will never agree on LOL

Up to you lol. Just a warning, but I'm going to be whipping Locker's ass for the next few months or so lmao.

BurgundyNGold
12-06-2010, 08:21 PM
Listen, if you just want bourbon, go out and buy it, you don't need to try and take a cut lol
I'm offering a legitimate service. The bourbon could be laced with iocaine powder lol.

http://www.gilesbowkett.com/images/vizzini_the_iocaine_powder_defense.jpg

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 08:37 PM
I'm offering a legitimate service. The bourbon could be laced with iocaine powder lol.

http://www.gilesbowkett.com/images/vizzini_the_iocaine_powder_defense.jpg

That explains so much of your behavior whenever you're around bourbon of mine lol.

cal_junior
12-06-2010, 08:39 PM
I remember people saying "no way that Jimmy Clausen" falls past the 49ers or the mid 1st round last year lol. I honestly don't see what anyone sees in him and if guys like Newton and Pryor jump into the draft, he'll sink barring a great combine.

I've never seen Jake Locker play an entire game, but there is no way he's a worse QB prospect than Terrelle Pryor. TP literally can't throw a 5-yard crossing pass.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 08:43 PM
I've never seen Jake Locker play an entire game, but there is no way he's a worse QB prospect than Terrelle Pryor. TP literally can't throw a 5-yard crossing pass.

If Shanny called me(as he often does lol) on draft day and asked which QB he should take, Pryor or Locker, I'd tell him to take Pryor. I honestly don't see why anyone thinks much of Locker at all. McSh*tforbrains and High Chief Gary Wichard payoffs have been pimping him for a couple years, but when the professionals in the NFL assessed him for last year's draft, they told him that he was a 3rd rounder at best. And he's only murdered his draft stock this season.

cal_junior
12-06-2010, 08:45 PM
If Shanny called me(as he often does lol) on draft day and asked which QB he should take, Pryor or Locker, I'd tell him to take Pryor. I honestly don't see why anyone thinks much of Locker at all. McSh*tforbrains and High Chief Gary Wichard payoffs have been pimping him for a couple years, but when the professionals in the NFL assessed him for last year's draft, they told him that he was a 3rd rounder at best. And he's only murdered his draft stock this season.

Having watched way more of Pryor than I've wanted to the past three years I can say with 100 percent confidence he will make a heck of an NFL tight end, lol.

akhhorus
12-06-2010, 08:46 PM
Having watched way more of Pryor than I've wanted to the past three years I can say with 100 percent confidence he will make a heck of an NFL tight end, lol.

Thats something that he has over Locker. Locker might make a good UFL TE lmao.

skinsfan36
12-06-2010, 08:56 PM
nice draft. we get a beast 3-4 de,a playmaking wr,and an interior line.shanny could really have a great draft since he could go bpa available because we need an upgrade everywhere except TE,SS,returner

cal_junior
12-06-2010, 09:05 PM
he could go bpa available because we need an upgrade everywhere except TE,SS,returner

You forgot center. We're loaded at that position.

Lavar703
12-06-2010, 09:49 PM
Listen, if you just want bourbon, go out and buy it, you don't need to try and take a cut lol




Up to you lol. Just a warning, but I'm going to be whipping Locker's ass for the next few months or so lmao.

I'm good with that. I don't think he is the end all be all prospect but I think he has major upside but he must be developed by the right coach. We all get things wrong sometimes and I could be dead wrong on Locker but I will have no problems admitting it when or if he fails miserably at the next level.

Lavar703
12-06-2010, 09:51 PM
nice draft. we get a beast 3-4 de,a playmaking wr,and an interior line.shanny could really have a great draft since he could go bpa available because we need an upgrade everywhere except TE,SS,returner

Not trying to nitpick here but there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Fairley is going to be a beast 3-4 DE or that his game will translate to that scheme at all.

akhhorus
12-07-2010, 06:41 AM
I'm good with that. I don't think he is the end all be all prospect but I think he has major upside but he must be developed by the right coach. We all get things wrong sometimes and I could be dead wrong on Locker but I will have no problems admitting it when or if he fails miserably at the next level.

And I'll be happy to admit I was wrong. I've already said that I was wrong about Earl Thomas.

Not trying to nitpick here but there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Fairley is going to be a beast 3-4 DE or that his game will translate to that scheme at all.

Fairley has the body, the speed, the penetration ability and the skill to hold a point. He has 5 tech written all over him.

Gravy
12-07-2010, 07:05 AM
Akh, who are a couple "can't miss" o-line prospects?

akhhorus
12-07-2010, 09:04 AM
Akh, who are a couple "can't miss" o-line prospects?

Joseph Barksdale and Derek Sherrod.

shally
12-07-2010, 10:40 AM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss

we will be picking much higher than 15... more likely 7 or 8.. that brings one of the QB's into play.. my guess is that Shanahan has a lot of buyers remorse on McNabb especially watching Cutler leading Chicago into the playoffs. we have NO ONE on the bench to develop into a starter.

the lure of Julio Jones is also going to be there, but i think he will console himself with Vincent Jackson

agree the rest of the draft will be used to select players for the 3/4 defense and O line

cal_junior
12-07-2010, 10:43 AM
we will be picking much higher than 15... more likely 7 or 8..

Don't forget Landry and T. Williams could be back this week and the Bucs just IR'd two key players. I'm sticking with my 8-8 prediction.

shally
12-07-2010, 12:33 PM
Don't forget Landry and T. Williams could be back this week and the Bucs just IR'd two key players. I'm sticking with my 8-8 prediction.

how many key players were the giants missing last week ?

doesnt matter. we cant score. we cant run the ball when needed. we cant stop the run (the Bucs may run for 200 yards also) and we make qb's look better than they are because we cant make them one dimensional. plus we put on a hideous display of poor tackling this past week

the Bucs will beat us solidly

Arkangiest
12-07-2010, 12:45 PM
Any idea what teams would be willing to trade for Albert Hayesworth after his suspension? What team would want a sack of crap like him?

cal_junior
12-07-2010, 12:51 PM
the Bucs will beat us solidly

We need to find a message board way of gambling, lol. Something with sigs or something.

If Landry and Trent Williams play the Skins are winning a close one.

akhhorus
12-07-2010, 12:53 PM
Any idea what teams would be willing to trade for Albert Hayesworth after his suspension? What team would want a sack of crap like him?

The 5 most likely deals for Haynesworth:
1-Titans for a 3rd.
2-Saints for Meachem+conditional pick or a conditional pick and the Brown trade compensation is negated.
3-Vikes for Berrian+conditional pick
4-Texans for a 3rd
5-Chicago for Tommie Harris or a pick.

There will be a market for him, no matter his issues.

cal_junior
12-07-2010, 12:58 PM
The 5 most likely deals for Haynesworth:
1-Titans for a 3rd.
2-Saints for Meachem+conditional pick or a conditional pick and the Brown trade compensation is negated.
3-Vikes for Berrian+conditional pick
4-Texans for a 3rd
5-Chicago for Tommie Harris or a pick.

There will be a market for him, no matter his issues.

I think I like No. 2. He's young(ish) and it would free us up to go after other positions in the first two rounds

akhhorus
12-07-2010, 01:00 PM
I think I like No. 2. He's young(ish) and it would free us up to go after other positions in the first two rounds

I'd pass on meachem and take Usama Young or Darren Sharper+negating the rest of the brown deal. That way we pick up a 3rd and get a guy who can start at Safety.

cal_junior
12-07-2010, 01:05 PM
I'd pass on meachem and take Usama Young or Darren Sharper+negating the rest of the brown deal. That way we pick up a 3rd and get a guy who can start at Safety.

How good is Young? I don't know anything about him.

akhhorus
12-07-2010, 01:09 PM
How good is Young? I don't know anything about him.

He's an interesting young Free safety/slot CB type.

SkinKing
12-07-2010, 01:17 PM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss


I would love to have Nick Fairley. 2 reasons he won't be a Redskin. Huge head case "possible AH clone" and I just don't see him dropping to 15 if we draft there. But I would take him in a heartbeat if we were in a 4-3

skins4life24
12-07-2010, 01:23 PM
We need to find a message board way of gambling, lol. Something with sigs or something.

If Landry and Trent Williams play the Skins are winning a close one.

over/under Blount has his career rushing day which is 120yds, I say he is over it!

cal_junior
12-07-2010, 01:26 PM
over/under Blount has his career rushing day which is 120yds, I say he is over it!

If Landry plays I'll take that bet.

NCskinsfanatic
12-07-2010, 03:28 PM
The 5 most likely deals for Haynesworth:
1-Titans for a 3rd.
2-Saints for Meachem+conditional pick or a conditional pick and the Brown trade compensation is negated.
3-Vikes for Berrian+conditional pick
4-Texans for a 3rd
5-Chicago for Tommie Harris or a pick.

There will be a market for him, no matter his issues.

I agree and as long as we can get atleast a 4th and/or a starter in an area of need in return for him then I'm fine with sending him home early. The guy is still a heck of a talent, especially in a 4-3, and any team that gets him will get a motivated "I'm go show Shanny" Haynesworth for pennies on the dollar imo. Now what they end up with after the first year is anyone's guess... but the remainder of his contract is reasonable and he'll probably play hard intially where ever he goes.

skinsfan36
12-07-2010, 09:53 PM
The 5 most likely deals for Haynesworth:
1-Titans for a 3rd.
2-Saints for Meachem+conditional pick or a conditional pick and the Brown trade compensation is negated.
3-Vikes for Berrian+conditional pick
4-Texans for a 3rd
5-Chicago for Tommie Harris or a pick.

There will be a market for him, no matter his issues.

id take any of those except 4. berrian is a moss clone who drops to many passes

shally
12-08-2010, 12:12 AM
id take any of those except 4. berrian is a moss clone who drops to many passes

tommie harris is injury prone and difficult to work with-- pass

Skaggsrules
12-08-2010, 07:09 PM
I'd go with trading him to the Saints and getting a WR from them and the pick we'd send to them for the Brown trade.

skinfanjon
12-09-2010, 05:20 PM
I really, really want Julio Jones. This team needs a gamebreaker on offense in the absolute worst way and that dude is a freakin monster. Ingram would also make me happy because that is my last name and I'd finally have a jersey worth buying again lol.

Skaggsrules
12-10-2010, 02:46 PM
What about Jeff Maehl as a late round WR prospect...runs good routes, solid hands, could be a good possession/red zone target

akhhorus
12-10-2010, 02:49 PM
What about Jeff Maehl as a late round WR prospect...runs good routes, solid hands, could be a good possession/red zone target

I'd like to see how he would hold up after an NFL level chuck at the line, but he's interesting.

shally
12-10-2010, 05:16 PM
I'd like to see how he would hold up after an NFL level chuck at the line, but he's interesting.

upside: nelson stokely, jordy nelson, lance moore

downside: james thrash or a thousand other receivers who are too slow, too small, to play in the NFL but are reliable college receivers...

firehawk157
12-10-2010, 05:24 PM
the lure of Julio Jones is also going to be there, but i think he will console himself with Vincent Jackson

I heard Julio Jones has a bit of a case of bad hands and to me, that's a no-go. Braylon Edwards has every measurable to be an NFL WR but he has bad hands and now he's the Ravens #3 receiver. The only receiver I can remember who is good enough to survive a case of bad hands is TO.

akhhorus
12-10-2010, 05:33 PM
I heard Julio Jones has a bit of a case of bad hands and to me, that's a no-go. Braylon Edwards has every measurable to be an NFL WR but he has bad hands and now he's the Ravens #3 receiver. The only receiver I can remember who is good enough to survive a case of bad hands is TO.

Whomever told you that hasn't watched him. And Braylon Edwards is the #2 on the Jets.

BurgundyNGold
12-10-2010, 06:48 PM
I really, really want Julio Jones. This team needs a gamebreaker on offense in the absolute worst way and that dude is a freakin monster. Ingram would also make me happy because that is my last name and I'd finally have a jersey worth buying again lol.
Julio Jones strikes me as a whole lot of Keyshawn Johnson. On the field, at least.

Skaggsrules
12-12-2010, 09:50 PM
Another prospect I'd like to take a look at is Brad Jefferson, ILB from Georgia Tech. GT switched to the 3-4 this season, and he played really well, pretty good measureables, could be a good mid-round player to look at.

esmith1790
12-12-2010, 10:08 PM
Hi, can you please compare Marcel Dareus DL Alabama against Nick Fairley DL Auburn. It seems all the radio stations here in dallas that discuss the draft bring up Nick as the cowboys target in round #1. Marcel gets little discussion.

Who is the better prospect for the 3/4 and who is better for the cowboys DL?

thanks in advance.

akhhorus
12-13-2010, 12:28 PM
Another prospect I'd like to take a look at is Brad Jefferson, ILB from Georgia Tech. GT switched to the 3-4 this season, and he played really well, pretty good measureables, could be a good mid-round player to look at.

Yeah, he's on my watch lsit.

Hi, can you please compare Marcel Dareus DL Alabama against Nick Fairley DL Auburn. It seems all the radio stations here in dallas that discuss the draft bring up Nick as the cowboys target in round #1. Marcel gets little discussion.

Who is the better prospect for the 3/4 and who is better for the cowboys DL?

thanks in advance.

To answer your final question first, it all depends on who's running the Boys' defense. Right now, I'd say that Dareus is the better fit and is a better player for the 3-4(since he's played in a variant under Saban). As for comparing the 2, Dareus is a natural 5 tech who can rush the passer from the 3-4 DE spot and reminds me a lot of Richard Seymour. Fairley is a 4-3 DT with a 3-4 DE's body and while he has more talent/drive than Dareus does, he also isn't as proven as Dareus and doesn't have the physical endurance than Dareus has.

skins4life24
12-13-2010, 01:03 PM
Dream scenario here Greg Jones is overlooked until the second round and ends up a Redskins. Better fit as a ILB or an OLB in our system? He is a proven blitzer I think he could be a great hybrid for any 3-4 system.

ph33rtheD
12-13-2010, 04:56 PM
You forget about Will Blackmon outta OSU Akh? Dude is a Hakeem Nicks clone just physical explosive and attacks the ball at the highest point.
I have ranked a notch below AJ Green and Julio Jones and depending on scheme could be the third receiver taken.

Also since we are staring a top 8 pick in the face i believe that if Patrick Peterson is on the board we have to take him. He is a rare breed and has potential to be a shut-down corner or free saftey. At 6'2 220 running a 4.4 he's like a physical while consistent Antonio Cromartie. Sure it's "sexy" but our back seven hasn't exactly been stellar.

My dream draft however would be

(assuming we sign a WR)

1. Patrick Peterson DB LSU
2. Von miller DE/OLB Texas A&M

akhhorus
12-13-2010, 05:12 PM
You forget about Will Blackmon outta OSU Akh? Dude is a Hakeem Nicks clone just physical explosive and attacks the ball at the highest point.
I have ranked a notch below AJ Green and Julio Jones and depending on scheme could be the third receiver taken.

Also since we are staring a top 8 pick in the face i believe that if Patrick Peterson is on the board we have to take him. He is a rare breed and has potential to be a shut-down corner or free saftey. At 6'2 220 running a 4.4 he's like a physical while consistent Antonio Cromartie. Sure it's "sexy" but our back seven hasn't exactly been stellar.

My dream draft however would be

(assuming we sign a WR)

1. Patrick Peterson DB LSU
2. Von miller DE/OLB Texas A&M

Justin Blackmon. I don't think he's coming out(he might, but I would bet he waits).

Skaggsrules
12-13-2010, 08:46 PM
What round were you looking at Brad Jefferson, I think that we would have to go get him in the 4th by trading up, especially if he works out well in the off-season

akhhorus
12-13-2010, 08:48 PM
What round were you looking at Brad Jefferson, I think that we would have to go get him in the 4th by trading up, especially if he works out well in the off-season

Really depends on his combine, I could see anywhere from mid 3rd to early 5th.

Lavar703
12-13-2010, 09:06 PM
Do you think there's a scenario where Shanahan falls in love with Cam Newton? He fits the Shanny QB mold so much and it really worries me that he may end up being our first pick. Just say no Shanny, just say no.

akhhorus
12-13-2010, 09:12 PM
Do you think there's a scenario where Shanahan falls in love with Cam Newton? He fits the Shanny QB mold so much and it really worries me that he may end up being our first pick. Just say no Shanny, just say no.

Nope. He likes gunslingers, not runners. If he's going to "fall in love" with a Qb, it'll probably be Mallet or Nick Foles(more the latter).

skinsfan36
12-13-2010, 11:01 PM
What round were you looking at Brad Jefferson, I think that we would have to go get him in the 4th by trading up, especially if he works out well in the off-season

as a tech fan id be very happy to have him slide in beside fletcher or beside riley

esmith1790
12-14-2010, 04:31 PM
Now that the skins are going with the 3-4 defense. They will be needing to supply their defense with quality players, will you/have you based off your mocks/rankings consider the 3-4 defense picking ahead of the skins?

As a cowboys fan i dont want the skins to jump ahead of them in the picking order.

It seems the cowboys and skins have the basic same needs outside of WR.

OL,DL, CB, S

In your mind are the skins that bad that any talent will work Offense or Defense?

The talk here on dallas radio is DL (IE Nick Frailey-Round 1 and OL in round 2).

akhhorus
12-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Now that the skins are going with the 3-4 defense. They will be needing to supply their defense with quality players, will you/have you based off your mocks/rankings consider the 3-4 defense picking ahead of the skins?


Of course.

As a cowboys fan i dont want the skins to jump ahead of them in the picking order.

It seems the cowboys and skins have the basic same needs outside of WR.

OL,DL, CB, S

In your mind are the skins that bad that any talent will work Offense or Defense?

No, I think that they'll focus on maximization of talent(a great DLman to make the entire defense better or a WR to make the offense run better).

The talk here on dallas radio is DL (IE Nick Frailey-Round 1 and OL in round 2).

It depends on where they're drafting, but Jeruh loves him some Best Player Available. He'll covet Pat Peterson I bet.

skins4life24
12-14-2010, 09:30 PM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss

Saw this as your signature, so I thought I would put together a free agency wish list, how would this list change the possible above picks, as well as do you have your own wish list currently?

RB Michael Bush Oakland Raiders
WR James Jones Green Bay Packers
WR Steve E. Smith New York Giants
OG Login Mankins New England Patriots
C Ryan Kalil Carolina Panthers
DL Alan Branch Arizona Cardinals
FS Eric Weddle San Diego Chargers

skinsfan36
12-14-2010, 09:53 PM
Saw this as your signature, so I thought I would put together a free agency wish list, how would this list change the possible above picks, as well as do you have your own wish list currently?

RB Michael Bush Oakland Raiders
WR James Jones Green Bay Packers
WR Steve E. Smith New York Giants
OG Login Mankins New England Patriots
C Ryan Kalil Carolina Panthers
DL Alan Branch Arizona Cardinals
FS Eric Weddle San Diego Chargers

thats a very nice list but weddle is not teh greatest in coverage

akhhorus
12-15-2010, 06:49 AM
Saw this as your signature, so I thought I would put together a free agency wish list, how would this list change the possible above picks, as well as do you have your own wish list currently?


I'd do this:
Lamar Woodley 5 years, 55 million
Alan Branch 3 year, 11 million
Steve E. Smith 4 years, 28 million
Davin Joseph 4 years, 36 million
Josh Wilson 3 years, 17 million.

That would reduce the Skins' needs in the draft to:
OC, ILB, FS and NT.

redcayman
12-15-2010, 07:33 AM
I'd do this:
Lamar Woodley 5 years, 55 million
Alan Branch 3 year, 11 million
Steve E. Smith 4 years, 28 million
Davin Joseph 4 years, 36 million
Josh Wilson 3 years, 17 million.

That would reduce the Skins' needs in the draft to:
OC, ILB, FS and NT.

Do you think picking up Steve Smith would prevent us from taking a Green or Julio Jones?

akhhorus
12-15-2010, 08:54 AM
Do you think picking up Steve Smith would prevent us from taking a Green or Julio Jones?

As much as I like Green/Jones, I'd rather sign a vet like Smith or Jackson and use the first elsewhere.

BIGREDSKINSFAN1963
12-15-2010, 03:46 PM
Fan house has a pretty good list of draftees the skins should target,but the qbs they got listed are tyrod taylor and chris pounder who i really don't like much.if andrew luck is still there when we draft,it would be stupid to pass him by.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/543798-washington-redskins-10-draft-picks-to-target-in-2011#page/1

Lavar703
12-15-2010, 07:01 PM
Fan house has a pretty good list of draftees the skins should target,but the qbs they got listed are tyrod taylor and chris pounder who i really don't like much.if andrew luck is still there when we draft,it would be stupid to pass him by.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/543798-washington-redskins-10-draft-picks-to-target-in-2011#page/1

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell Andrew Luck will be there when we pick

silverspring
12-17-2010, 03:16 PM
There isn't a snowball's chance in hell Andrew Luck will be there when we pick

Maybe we can pick up McNabb's option and then trade him, haynesworth and our first rounder to carolina for theirs :)

firehawk157
12-18-2010, 09:34 AM
Maybe we can pick up McNabb's option and then trade him, haynesworth and our first rounder to carolina for theirs :)

Anything could happen. Who would have thought Mario Williams was going to get picked over Reggie Bush and Vince Young?

akhhorus
12-18-2010, 10:27 AM
Anything could happen. Who would have thought Mario Williams was going to get picked over Reggie Bush and Vince Young?

I can buy the Carolina #1 overall for McNabb and our presumably top 7 pick. Carolina doesn't have their 2nd, so they could use that first on one of their other 50 needs.

cal_junior
12-18-2010, 10:50 AM
I can buy the Carolina #1 overall for McNabb and our presumably top 7 pick. Carolina doesn't have their 2nd, so they could use that first on one of their other 50 needs.

I think I would definitely do that If I'm the Skins. I don't think the Panthers would be interested.

akhhorus
12-18-2010, 12:25 PM
I think I would definitely do that If I'm the Skins. I don't think the Panthers would be interested.

I'd take that deal if I'm Carolina. You get McNabb locked in for 2-3 years, you get the chance to get a top 7-10 player and you save a ton on not paying Luck #1 money. In fact, if I'm Jerry Richardson, I offer Steve Smith as part of it if the Skins throw in a vet like Andre Carter as part of it.

cal_junior
12-18-2010, 12:55 PM
I'd take that deal if I'm Carolina. You get McNabb locked in for 2-3 years, you get the chance to get a top 7-10 player and you save a ton on not paying Luck #1 money. In fact, if I'm Jerry Richardson, I offer Steve Smith as part of it if the Skins throw in a vet like Andre Carter as part of it.

I hope you're right. That deal would be an absolute steal for the Skins, who are ready to part ways with McNabb as it is.

silverspring
12-18-2010, 04:35 PM
I'd take that deal if I'm Carolina. You get McNabb locked in for 2-3 years, you get the chance to get a top 7-10 player and you save a ton on not paying Luck #1 money. In fact, if I'm Jerry Richardson, I offer Steve Smith as part of it if the Skins throw in a vet like Andre Carter as part of it.

Mcnabb is not worth more than a 5th on the open market, I don't think a 5th is enough points to move you up from #7 to #1.

That is why when I pitched the trade I suggested McNabb and Haynesworth. I think realistically we won't get more than a 6th for McNabb and a 3rd/4th for haynesworth. I think that is a lot closer to getting us from 7 to 1. In the real world we are getting fleeced, but I would take it for the future that luck potential promises. Nevertheless I would be surprised if carolina bites.

Irish Redskin
12-19-2010, 06:44 AM
Akh, you were very high on Bradford coming out of college. How does Luck compare to him?

akhhorus
12-19-2010, 08:37 AM
Akh, you were very high on Bradford coming out of college. How does Luck compare to him?

I like Bradford more, but Luck is a blue chip QB prospect.

Lavar703
12-19-2010, 08:56 AM
Mcnabb is not worth more than a 5th on the open market, I don't think a 5th is enough points to move you up from #7 to #1.

That is why when I pitched the trade I suggested McNabb and Haynesworth. I think realistically we won't get more than a 6th for McNabb and a 3rd/4th for haynesworth. I think that is a lot closer to getting us from 7 to 1. In the real world we are getting fleeced, but I would take it for the future that luck potential promises. Nevertheless I would be surprised if carolina bites.

I think we are all going to be surprised by what we end up receiving for McNabb. His reputation around the league may cause us to get a much better deal than we anticipated.

BurgundyNGold
12-19-2010, 09:24 AM
I think we are all going to be surprised by what we end up receiving for McNabb. His reputation around the league may cause us to get a much better deal than we anticipated.
Sadly, our reputation as an tweaker organization (oooh! something shiny! something shiny!) with all of the self control and patience of a crack head and will lead to terrible offers until we have no choice but to either cut McNabb (and Haynesworth) or take a mid-low round pick for him.

akhhorus
12-19-2010, 10:22 AM
Sadly, our reputation as an tweaker organization (oooh! something shiny! something shiny!) with all of the self control and patience of a crack head and will lead to terrible offers until we have no choice but to either cut McNabb (and Haynesworth) or take a mid-low round pick for him.

I agree, but there's too few quality FA Qbs and too many potential buyers looking for Vet Qbs in this offseason. I can think of 4 teams who will be calling the skins about McNabb just off the top of my head(miami, Arizona, Carolina and Minny), so the Skins have a good chance to luck into a good deal here.

Irish Redskin
12-19-2010, 10:42 AM
I agree, but there's too few quality FA Qbs and too many potential buyers looking for Vet Qbs in this offseason. I can think of 4 teams who will be calling the skins about McNabb just off the top of my head(miami, Arizona, Carolina and Minny), so the Skins have a good chance to luck into a good deal here.

From speaking to Cardinal fans, they don't think McNabb would be a good fit for their O.

Warner excelled at making his progressions, and McNabb allegedly does not.

silverspring
12-19-2010, 06:50 PM
I think we are all going to be surprised by what we end up receiving for McNabb. His reputation around the league may cause us to get a much better deal than we anticipated.

If we had been smart and set up a normal contract extension before the deal was finalized then I would agree. But his extension puts us under the gun, we have to make a decision before his option comes to fruition in march.

Dolla Bill
12-19-2010, 08:06 PM
If we had been smart and set up a normal contract extension before the deal was finalized then I would agree. But his extension puts us under the gun, we have to make a decision before his option comes to fruition in march.

Actually we don't. The roster bonus is due in September I believe right before the season starts. We don't have to do anything.

BurgundyNGold
12-19-2010, 08:07 PM
If we had been smart and set up a normal contract extension before the deal was finalized then I would agree. But his extension puts us under the gun, we have to make a decision before his option comes to fruition in march.
It's amusing that 6 weeks ago, people were clammoring that we were stupid for not locking McNabb up. Now we're stupid because we did lol.

Damned if you do, damned if you're a Redskin fan. ;)

cal_junior
12-19-2010, 08:10 PM
Actually we don't. The roster bonus is due in September I believe right before the season starts. We don't have to do anything.

McNabb's $10 million option bonus is due at some point between the first day of the league year (whenever that is) and the day after the first game.

akhhorus
12-19-2010, 08:12 PM
McNabb's $10 million option bonus is due at some point between the first day of the league year (whenever that is) and the day after the first game.

So, due by the first game.

cal_junior
12-19-2010, 08:13 PM
So, due by the first game.

Yes, by the first game.

silverspring
12-20-2010, 11:20 AM
Actually we don't. The roster bonus is due in September I believe right before the season starts. We don't have to do anything.

Didn't realize that, the reports are a bit mixed on this. Well that gives us some more time, but I can't imagine us holding him on the roster until pre-season

silverspring
12-20-2010, 11:22 AM
It's amusing that 6 weeks ago, people were clammoring that we were stupid for not locking McNabb up. Now we're stupid because we did lol.

Damned if you do, damned if you're a Redskin fan. ;)

Well it is stupid that we didn't have the patience to make mcnabb sign a proper extension before the trade was completed. This extension isn't much different than a franchise tag, we(or the lucky winner of the mcnabb sweepstakes) will pay him around 15 million next season.

SKINSATIONAL
12-31-2010, 09:34 AM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss

Just a couple of questions.....I noticed no running backs in your draft predictions. Do you think we are happy with they guys we brought in this year? Secondly, with Andre Carter playing out of position after a ten sack year....do you think we will trade him for a pick? It would be great if Shannascam could work some magic to get some picks for Buttersworth and Carter.

akhhorus
12-31-2010, 09:36 AM
Just a couple of questions.....I noticed no running backs in your draft predictions. Do you think we are happy with they guys we brought in this year? Secondly, with Andre Carter playing out of position after a ten sack year....do you think we will trade him for a pick? It would be great if Shannascam could work some magic to get some picks for Buttersworth and Carter.

1: I think that its possible that they target a FA RB if they decide to dump portis. If they decide to get another young guy to go Torain/Williams, I would bet that its a UDFA.

2: I think that they'll try to deal Carter.

SKINSATIONAL
12-31-2010, 01:19 PM
1: I think that its possible that they target a FA RB if they decide to dump portis. If they decide to get another young guy to go Torain/Williams, I would bet that its a UDFA.

2: I think that they'll try to deal Carter.


How about Derrick Dockery. He's still got something in the tank, especially after being rested up and physically sound due to the lack of playing time. With teams like the Packs out there and many others in need of a solid guard who isn't cut out for the zone blocking scheme...is there any situation where we could trade him for a late pick or maybe swap with another team? I'm just trying to think about how we can recoup some pics this draft that's all.

SKINSATIONAL
12-31-2010, 01:26 PM
My dream draft however would be

(assuming we sign a WR)

1. Patrick Peterson DB LSU
2. Von miller DE/OLB Texas A&M[/QUOTE]


It's a sad sad day as a Redskin fan when we can all but summarize our entire draft with two picks....And all too familiar a scenario as well. I really hope we cant get out ish together soon man. I was in high school the last time we went to the Superbowl. I'm freakin' 34 now man!

SKINSATIONAL
12-31-2010, 01:35 PM
You forget about Will Blackmon outta OSU Akh? Dude is a Hakeem Nicks clone just physical explosive and attacks the ball at the highest point.
I have ranked a notch below AJ Green and Julio Jones and depending on scheme could be the third receiver taken.

Also since we are staring a top 8 pick in the face i believe that if Patrick Peterson is on the board we have to take him. He is a rare breed and has potential to be a shut-down corner or free saftey. At 6'2 220 running a 4.4 he's like a physical while consistent Antonio Cromartie. Sure it's "sexy" but our back seven hasn't exactly been stellar.

My dream draft however would be

(assuming we sign a WR)

1. Patrick Peterson DB LSU
2. Von miller DE/OLB Texas A&M

Oops...this was supposed to be in quotations....then followed by my earlier message. Sorry

akhhorus
12-31-2010, 02:13 PM
How about Derrick Dockery. He's still got something in the tank, especially after being rested up and physically sound due to the lack of playing time. With teams like the Packs out there and many others in need of a solid guard who isn't cut out for the zone blocking scheme...is there any situation where we could trade him for a late pick or maybe swap with another team? I'm just trying to think about how we can recoup some pics this draft that's all.

I think that most teams will be waiting for us to cut him.

HanburgerBum
12-31-2010, 02:16 PM
Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/34-season-mock/)

Guff on!

The rest of the Skins' picks:
2nd round: Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5th round(from Nola): John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
5th round: Alex Linnenkohl OC Oregon State
6th round(from Nola): Kenny Rowe 34 OLB Oregon
6th round: Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh
7th round: Chris Rucker FS/CB Michigan State
7th round(from Indy): Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss


I see that you don't have the Skins selecting a QB. A friend of mine is a Missouri Tiger/Redskins fan. He is extremely excited about Blaine Gabbert and wants Wash to pick him in the coming draft (assuming he declares).

Supposedly, Gabbert won't come out unless he is projected to go high (e.g. first round). What is your take on Gabbert, and where do you think he would be projected to go if he came out?

akhhorus
12-31-2010, 02:19 PM
I see that you don't have the Skins selecting a QB. A friend of mine is a Missouri Tiger/Redskins fan. He is extremely excited about Blaine Gabbert and wants Wash to pick him in the coming draft (assuming he declares).

Supposedly, Gabbert won't come out unless he is projected to go high (e.g. first round). What is your take on Gabbert, and where do you think he would be projected to go if he came out?

He needs Andrew Luck to stay at Stanford and to have a good combine, but I would put him in the Kellen Moore-Ricky Stanzi level that could go anywhere from 20-50.

SKINSATIONAL
12-31-2010, 03:06 PM
He needs Andrew Luck to stay at Stanford and to have a good combine, but I would put him in the Kellen Moore-Ricky Stanzi level that could go anywhere from 20-50.

Man I really dig Ricky Stanzi's style. If you look at what he does, it's almost reminiscent of our offense....Bootlegs and throws on the move. Stanzi also has the balls to throw it into tight coverage which is why he kind of came across as a gunslinger as Akh mentioned earlier on. I'll be keeping my eyes on him.

SkinsfaninNJ
01-01-2011, 10:09 PM
He needs Andrew Luck to stay at Stanford and to have a good combine, but I would put him in the Kellen Moore-Ricky Stanzi level that could go anywhere from 20-50.

I had a chance to watch a replay of the Insight Bowl last night. Gabbert is exactly what Shanahan looks for in a QB. I think he will get that high draft grade. We'll see if that gets him out of school. I could see Shanahan targeting him.