DFA: Post Luck Mock

[akhhorus]

Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/167/)

Guff on!


Rest of the Skins’ picks(with assumed trades of McNabb[a 2011 3rd+a 2012 conditional 3rd from Carolina] and Haynesworth to Tennessee for a 3rd and a 5th):
2nd: Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188298). Status quo ante.
3rd(from Carolina): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183673). First round talent who probably won’t be healthy until late summer 2011.
3rd(from Tennessee): Link (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player?id=27236&_slug_=benjamin-ijalana&action=upsell&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player%3fid%3d27236%26_slug_%3dbenjamin-ijalana) Fast/quick also big enough to play OT.
5th(from Tennessee): Link (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player?id=26189&_slug_=michael-blanc&action=upsell&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player%3fid%3d26189%26_slug_%3dmichael-blanc). A more natural 43 DT, but can hold a point.
5th(natural): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=235661). Small, but durable and a burner.
5th(from Saints): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183261). Tough, smart and could start quickly.
6th: Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=185054). Developmental, but has some tools
7th(natural): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=245682). Good size/speed, but raw.
7th(from Indy): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=235168). One of the greatest punters in college history.

[Gravy]

Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/167/)

Guff on!


Rest of the Skins’ picks(with assumed trades of McNabb[a 2011 3rd+a 2012 conditional 3rd from Carolina] and Haynesworth to Tennessee for a 3rd and a 5th):
2nd: Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188298). Status quo ante.
3rd(from Carolina): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183673). First round talent who probably won’t be healthy until late summer 2011.
3rd(from Tennessee): Link (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player?id=27236&_slug_=benjamin-ijalana&action=upsell&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player%3fid%3d27236%26_slug_%3dbenjamin-ijalana) Fast/quick also big enough to play OT.
5th(from Tennessee): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=240571). Can play 5 tech. Think Carriker.
5th(natural): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=235661). Small, but durable and a burner.
5th(from Saints): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183261). Tough, smart and could start quickly.
6th: Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=185054). Developmental, but has some tools
7th(natural): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=245682). Good size/speed, but raw.
7th(from Indy): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=235168). One of the greatest punters in college history.

Bless your heart. This (as always) look great. 2011 3rd along with a conditional 3rd in 2012...how likely is that?

[akhhorus]

Bless your heart. This (as always) look great. 2011 3rd along with a conditional 3rd in 2012...how likely is that?

Look at it from Carolina's POV. With Fairley and getting Beaston/Davis back, that defense could be extremely good in 2011. Do you undermine them with Jimmy the Pickle at QB or roll the dice with another rookie who isn't ready? Or do you give up a 3rd and more for a vet that you know won't embarrass himself(and maybe you can talk the Skins out of Malcolm Kelly as part of it)

[Chief Seeway]

Looks good, the 5's could be some serious contributors.

[nicefellow31]

Food for thought. If Carolina is interested in getting Luck next year, why do they acquire McNabb or Hill? Why not go with Clausen and continue to lose games.

[akhhorus]

Food for thought. If Carolina is interested in getting Luck next year, why do they acquire McNabb or Hill? Why not go with Clausen and continue to lose games.

I don't think that Rivera would spike a season just for Luck. Get the vet, try to be decent and aim for Landry Jones or Nick Foles next draft.

[cal_junior]

I don't think that Rivera would spike a season just for Luck. Get the vet, try to be decent and aim for Landry Jones or Nick Foles next draft.

+1

Too dangerous. There are no guarantees in football.

[tribeinca]

Luck isn't interested to go to Carolina(period). I think he will pull an Eli Manning manuever on draft day.

Stanzi is not the answer either. If we are going to develop a project, might as well go with Locker.

Julio Jones in the first round? There is no one to throw him the ball. If we can get Gabbert, I strongly believe what we have is good. The fact is getting a top receiver don't help if we don't have a legit QB.

If we are not taking a QB for the 1st pick, I would take a defensive lineman.

There is no way we get a 3rd and a conditional for McNabb.

[Lavar703]

Unless I'm mistaken Akh, Jared Crick didn't enter the draft.

[akhhorus]

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Stanzi is not the answer either. If we are going to develop a project, might as well go with Locker.

Stanzi has NFL level tools, Locker doesn't.

Unless I'm mistaken Akh, Jared Crick didn't enter the draft.

You are correct. I've edited.

[Lavar703]

Luck isn't interested to go to Carolina(period). I think he will pull an Eli Manning manuever on draft day.

Stanzi is not the answer either. If we are going to develop a project, might as well go with Locker.

Julio Jones in the first round? There is no one to throw him the ball. If we can get Gabbert, I strongly believe what we have is good. The fact is getting a top receiver don't help if we don't have a legit QB.

If we are not taking a QB for the 1st pick, I would take a defensive lineman.

There is no way we get a 3rd and a conditional for McNabb.

Why are you so hyped about Gabbert? I just don't understand what he does that is blowing everyone else away.

[silverspring]

Please explain the Gabbert hype, I don't get it. He is just a spread qb that has no real experience under center or even going through his progressions. His numbers are average for the offense he is running.

Someone will surely take Newton in the first round. He has done so much more against a higher level of competition with both his arms and legs compared to any of the prospects. I would guess Newton and Mallet go in round one leaving Gabbert, Stanzi, Locker and Kaepernick for round 2.

[cal_junior]

Please explain the Gabbert hype, I don't get it. He is just a spread qb that has no real experience under center or even going through his progressions. His numbers are average for the offense he is running.

Big guy, strong arm. Very accurate on the short and medium stuff.

[silverspring]

Big guy, strong arm. Very accurate on the short and medium stuff.

Lots of qbs have big strong arms. That doesn't equate to first round pick. Look at the evidence against him:

-His predecessor who is smaller and has a weaker arm consistently put up better numbers in the same offense
-He plays in a spread offense that create lots of big numbers for a qb
-He didn't operate under center and he doesn't have too much experience reading defenses
-Locks on WRs, maybe this is a symptom of the scheme, but nonetheless represents a big learning curve ahead of him

I am sorry I don't see it. He clearly has some good tools and a lot of potential, but he looks like a project to me. What can you say for him other than he has a strong arm and is mobile? He is a second-third round qb as far as I can tell. I would be happy to pick him up then, but not at #10.

[cal_junior]

Lots of qbs have big strong arms. That doesn't equate to first round pick. Look at the evidence against him:

-His predecessor who is smaller and has a weaker arm consistently put up better numbers in the same offense
-He plays in a spread offense that create lots of big numbers for a qb
-He didn't operate under center and he doesn't have too much experience reading defenses
-Locks on WRs, maybe this is a symptom of the scheme, but nonetheless represents a big learning curve ahead of him

I am sorry I don't see it. He clearly has some good tools and a lot of potential, but he looks like a project to me. What can you say for him other than he has a strong arm and is mobile? He is a second-third round qb as far as I can tell. I would be happy to pick him up then, but not at #10.

Is is that mobile? I've read a lot about his accuracy, which is more important to me than arm strength.

[Skaggsrules]

Greg Jones at #5? A lot of people don't have him in the first round, let alone a top 5 talent

[skinsfan36]

nice job would love that draft. especially getting one of the top rbs in the draft in hunter(he will be a steal watch) and a playmaking wr(finally).iljama the kid from villanova could skyrocket imo once he goes through the combine. do you see him as a guard here?

[Dolla Bill]

A pair of Virginia Tech RBs who could be interesting of note either mid or late is Darren Evans and Ryan Williams. They both declared.

[nicefellow31]

I don't think that Rivera would spike a season just for Luck. Get the vet, try to be decent and aim for Landry Jones or Nick Foles next draft.

I thought that was your theory that you put in the mock. I guess i didn't read it right.

[Lavar703]

A pair of Virginia Tech RBs who could be interesting of note either mid or late is Darren Evans and Ryan Williams. They both declared.

Darren Evans could be had late, Ryan Williams will most likely be off the board after the 2nd.

[wave6ten]

Good to see Akh drinks his own kool aid...without getting into a pissing contest let's just say the talent evaluation is way off.

[akhhorus]

Greg Jones at #5? A lot of people don't have him in the first round, let alone a top 5 talent

He'll rise quickly barring injury. He's been too successful in a good defense and his physical tools are too good.

A pair of Virginia Tech RBs who could be interesting of note either mid or late is Darren Evans and Ryan Williams. They both declared.

Williams might sneak into the 2nd.

I thought that was your theory that you put in the mock. I guess i didn't read it right.

I'll change it to make it clearer.

Darren Evans could be had late, Ryan Williams will most likely be off the board after the 2nd.

+1

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/167/)

Guff on!


Rest of the Skins’ picks(with assumed trades of McNabb[a 2011 3rd+a 2012 conditional 3rd from Carolina] and Haynesworth to Tennessee for a 3rd and a 5th):
2nd: Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188298). Status quo ante.
3rd(from Carolina): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183673). First round talent who probably won’t be healthy until late summer 2011.
3rd(from Tennessee): Link (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player?id=27236&_slug_=benjamin-ijalana&action=upsell&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player%3fid%3d27236%26_slug_%3dbenjamin-ijalana) Fast/quick also big enough to play OT.
5th(from Tennessee): Link (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player?id=26189&_slug_=michael-blanc&action=upsell&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player%3fid%3d26189%26_slug_%3dmichael-blanc). A more natural 43 DT, but can hold a point.
5th(natural): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=235661). Small, but durable and a burner.
5th(from Saints): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183261). Tough, smart and could start quickly.
6th: Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=185054). Developmental, but has some tools
7th(natural): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=245682). Good size/speed, but raw.
7th(from Indy): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=235168). One of the greatest punters in college history.

Love the work here, AKH. I've been high on Ijalana for the Skins for a while, a tackle that could move inside and he has a wrestling background. Derrick Locke RB from Kentucky is another late round RB that could contribute as a change of pace/3rd down back - same type of player as Hunter and is faster.

I like Gabbert but not @ #10. Julio Jones is good value there, IMO.

Another direction the Skins could go is OLB in round 2. Haslett has stated that Orakpo needs some help opposite of him. Don't be surprised at Justin Houston or Dontay Moch with our 2nd rounder.

[akhhorus]

Love the work here, AKH. I've been high on Ijalana for the Skins for a while, a tackle that could move inside and he has a wrestling background. Derrick Locke RB from Kentucky is another late round RB that could contribute as a change of pace/3rd down back - same type of player as Hunter and is faster.

I like Gabbert but not @ #10. Julio Jones is good value there, IMO.

Thanks. No matter who the QB is, they're going to need a real flanker.


Another direction the Skins could go is OLB in round 2. Haslett has stated that Orakpo needs some help opposite of him. Don't be surprised at Justin Houston or Dontay Moch with our 2nd rounder.

Ugh. Moch. I'm not big on him at all. He plays very soft. I think if the Skins are going for OLB help, it'll be in free agency.

[CarMike]

Link (http://draftacademy.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/167/)

Guff on!


3rd(from Carolina): Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183673). First round talent who probably won’t be healthy until late summer 2011.

Love the thought of the Redskins taking DW in the 3rd round. Finally a UNC guy on the Redskins other than Albright. lol

[akhhorus]

Love the thought of the Redskins taking DW in the 3rd round. Finally a UNC guy on the Redskins other than Albright. lol

There's a bunch of UNC guys in this draft I'd like to see the skins get. Williams would be a top 20 pick if he didn't break his leg. Getting him in the 3rd would be a great get.

[shally]

couple of points...

Never will Aleen or Shanahan net the kind of picks you are saying we will get for AH and DM.. most likely we will get 4-5th and possibly a conditional pick in 2012 for both of them.. no way we get 3rd rounders this year for either.. they are damaged goods and teams know it..

Dallas will either take Prince Akh if they are going corner in the first round, or will take Kerrigan, if Akamura is gone..Kerrigan looks to be a prototypical Dallas player.. putting him opposite Ware will cause nightmares for OC's around the league..Spencer will get shifted because Kerrigan may be special

i am willing to bet you another bottle of bourbon that if BOTH Locker and Stanzi are sitting there when the Skins pick in the second round, Shanahan will carry the card up himself for Locker to the podium. unless Locker's arm falls off between now and the draft, Shanahan wpont hesistate to pick him

if you want to know whether the Skins target someone like Jones with the first pick, watch what we do in free agency beofre the draft.. if we sign someone like Rice or VJax, we are NOT going WR in the first round, but rather an impact defensive player, or QB

Newton and Mallett will both have teams fall in love with them and will go in the upper half of the first round..Locker might go in the first round as well. i know you dont like him, but he still will have his supporters in this draft...

[Gravy]

Hey Akh, on Locker...I didn't get to see him much and what I did see, he didn't impress me. What is your take on him?

[akhhorus]

couple of points...

Never will Aleen or Shanahan net the kind of picks you are saying we will get for AH and DM.. most likely we will get 4-5th and possibly a conditional pick in 2012 for both of them.. no way we get 3rd rounders this year for either.. they are damaged goods and teams know it..

We'll just have to disagree on this. If Childress becomes the OC in Miami, that deal is going down barring a change imo.

Dallas will either take Prince Akh if they are going corner in the first round, or will take Kerrigan, if Akamura is gone..Kerrigan looks to be a prototypical Dallas player.. putting him opposite Ware will cause nightmares for OC's around the league..Spencer will get shifted because Kerrigan may be special


No way, not unless they move Spencer. Dallas, if they go defense, will focus on their secondary. They aren't going to tear up new holes just to try and fill them.

I really don't see what you see in Kerrigan either.


i am willing to bet you another bottle of bourbon that if BOTH Locker and Stanzi are sitting there when the Skins pick in the second round, Shanahan will carry the card up himself for Locker to the podium. unless Locker's arm falls off between now and the draft, Shanahan wpont hesistate to pick him


Done.

if you want to know whether the Skins target someone like Jones with the first pick, watch what we do in free agency beofre the draft.. if we sign someone like Rice or VJax, we are NOT going WR in the first round, but rather an impact defensive player, or QB


Obviously.

Newton and Mallett will both have teams fall in love with them and will go in the upper half of the first round..Locker might go in the first round as well. i know you dont like him, but he still will have his supporters in this draft...

No way, Newton's not a 1st after his title game(maybe not even a 2nd), Locker isn't going in the first 70-100 picks either.

Hey Akh, on Locker...I didn't get to see him much and what I did see, he didn't impress me. What is your take on him?

I'd rather start Rex Grossman while wearing a chicken suit. Locker is a great athlete. He has absolutely no NFL level tools as a QB. His arm is okay, but not that good. His accuracy is bad. His decision making is poor. Long term project at best.

[shally]

We'll just have to disagree on this. If Childress becomes the OC in Miami, that deal is going down barring a change imo.



No way, not unless they move Spencer. Dallas, if they go defense, will focus on their secondary. They aren't going to tear up new holes just to try and fill them.

I really don't see what you see in Kerrigan either.



Done.



Obviously.



No way, Newton's not a 1st after his title game(maybe not even a 2nd), Locker isn't going in the first 70-100 picks either.



I'd rather start Rex Grossman while wearing a chicken suit. Locker is a great athlete. He has absolutely no NFL level tools as a QB. His arm is okay, but not that good. His accuracy is bad. His decision making is poor. Long term project at best.

Kerrigan reminds me of Jared Allen without the alcohol issues.. relentless and productive

i still think Dallas will not take a safety even though they obviuously need one.. i dont think any of the safeties are worthy of the 9th overall pick.
they might reach for an offensive tackle.. the guy out of B.C. ??

Newton will WOW !! someone in private workouts and go in the first round.. same with Mallett

watch and see who are reported to be privately working out for Shanahan before the draft..

[akhhorus]

Kerrigan reminds me of Jared Allen without the alcohol issues.. relentless and productive

I don't see any comparison. Allen is a 6-6 270 4-3 DE who ran a 4.65-4.7 40 with amazing shuttle times. Kerrigan is 6-4 260 DE who runs in the 4.8ish range. Allen's relentlessness is a great combo with his physical tools. Kerrigan looks like a smaller/slower Orapko.

i still think Dallas will not take a safety even though they obviuously need one.. i dont think any of the safeties are worthy of the 9th overall pick. they might reach for an offensive tackle.. the guy out of B.C. ??

That would make sense.

Newton will WOW !! someone in private workouts and go in the first round.. same with Mallett


Newton might wow with his physical tools, but when he gets a -10 on the wonderlic and struggles showing NFL coaches how to break down a defense, no one will want to have a much rawer version of Vince Young lol. Mallet's a 1st rounder because he's done it for 2 full seasons. Newton's only played 1 year and the NFL will take away his biggest weapon in his armory.

watch and see who are reported to be privately working out for Shanahan before the draft..

*shrug* I don't know how much that will tell us. The Skins were supposedly drawn to Berry/Okung with the workouts last year.

[Gravy]

I'd rather start Rex Grossman while wearing a chicken suit. Locker is a great athlete. He has absolutely no NFL level tools as a QB. His arm is okay, but not that good. His accuracy is bad. His decision making is poor. Long term project at best.

Is it true then that Shanahan is in love with him or is that just "hear-say"? I like Stanzi. What think about Ponder? Not being a homer as he didn't a great year.

[akhhorus]

Is it true then that Shanahan is in love with him or is that just "hear-say"?

I've heard the rumor numerous times, but its hard to believe that rumor. Locker isn't a gunslinger, nor does he make good decisions. Anything is possible, but I tend to think that this rumor is misinformation.

I like Stanzi. What think about Ponder? Not being a homer as he didn't a great year.

He needs to go to a warm weather team.

[shally]

I've heard the rumor numerous times, but its hard to believe that rumor. Locker isn't a gunslinger, nor does he make good decisions. Anything is possible, but I tend to think that this rumor is misinformation.



He needs to go to a warm weather team.

why is that ?? i could sooner see you saying he needs to go to a team with a solid offensive line

[akhhorus]

why is that ?? i could sooner see you saying he needs to go to a team with a solid offensive line

Arm strength. He'll probably struggle if you ask him to play 5-6 outdoor games a year in the north during late october or later. It'll about the bad weather/wind.

[shally]

Arm strength. He'll probably struggle if you ask him to play 5-6 outdoor games a year in the north during late october or later. It'll about the bad weather/wind.

Jeff Garcia had some very good games for Philly if i recall ?? but i do agree about Ponder being on the low end of pro level strength

[akhhorus]

Jeff Garcia had some very good games for Philly if i recall ?? but i do agree about Ponder being on the low end of pro level strength

He actually only started 2 games in Philly. Garcia was so smart and experienced that he could work DBs out of their shoes to make up for his arm issues where ever he went to. And while Stanzi doesn't have the best arm, he's shown to my satisfaction that he can play in cold weather games without apparent problems.

[skinsfan36]

the 3-4 olb prospects after quinn all have question marks if we take a defender it got to be a 3/4 DE the first round will be loaded with them dareus,fairley(probably to car),jordan,watt,wilkinson(end 1st),claybourn.i think the skins need to target woodley and maybe even overpay he is a monster in the 3-4

[shally]

the 3-4 olb prospects after quinn all have question marks if we take a defender it got to be a 3/4 DE the first round will be loaded with them dareus,fairley(probably to car),jordan,watt,wilkinson(end 1st),claybourn.i think the skins need to target woodley and maybe even overpay he is a monster in the 3-4

how many of those DL's besides fairly are actually suited for 3/4 ?

also, other than NT, the DL in a 3/4 are really not as critical as LB's.. are any of them worth that high a pick ??

[BurgundyNGold]

He actually only started 2 games in Philly. Garcia was so smart and experienced that he could work DBs out of their shoes to make up for his arm issues where ever he went to. And while Stanzi doesn't have the best arm, he's shown to my satisfaction that he can play in cold weather games without apparent problems.
Not to mention that Jeff Garcia proved his cold weather mettle in Canada before coming to the NFL.

[akhhorus]

Not to mention that Jeff Garcia proved his cold weather mettle in Canada before coming to the NFL.

Slightly OT, but I'm very surprised that more developmental QB projects coming out of college don't go to Canada for a season or two. Seems like that it would be better than riding the pine for a couple seasons in the NFL.

[shally]

Slightly OT, but I'm very surprised that more developmental QB projects coming out of college don't go to Canada for a season or two. Seems like that it would be better than riding the pine for a couple seasons in the NFL.

maybe there is a bias because of the different rules and field size ?? they downgrade qb's because of the college system they play in, maybe there is a similar bias against the canadian league ? who were the last couple of qb's who had a significant impact in the nfl after going to canada ?

[akhhorus]

maybe there is a bias because of the different rules and field size ?? they downgrade qb's because of the college system they play in, maybe there is a similar bias against the canadian league ? who were the last couple of qb's who had a significant impact in the nfl after going to canada ?

Garcia, Flutie, Warren Moon, Joe "The Voice of Satan" Theisman.

I wonder why it doesn't happen more. It seems like loaning out a 3rd stringer to Canada would make more sense than parking him on the practice squad.

[shally]

Garcia, Flutie, Warren Moon, Joe "The Voice of Satan" Theisman.

I wonder why it doesn't happen more. It seems like loaning out a 3rd stringer to Canada would make more sense than parking him on the practice squad.
exactly my recollection. those guys are ancient history as far as the NFL is concerned..

some of the prejudice might be given voice by guys like Shanahan or Zorn or Al Saunders.. guys who say that it takes a qb 2 or 3 years to "get" their system.. i guess they all feel that it is better for the young qb to spend 2-3 years on the bench learning their system , than playing in Canada ?? if that is what you are hearing when you are riding the bench, that is what you will likely do.

plus, backups are paid very good money to do very little. how much are you going to get for starting in Canada ? and if your agent is hearing that you are making a dumb choice by doing that, what do you do ?

and you have guys like Max Hall and Skelton who went from the bench to starting in less than a year, so it does happen.. no guarantee that those guys even have spot on the Zona roster in 2012, but they actually got to play

[akhhorus]

exactly my recollection. those guys are ancient history as far as the NFL is concerned..

some of the prejudice might be given voice by guys like Shanahan or Zorn or Al Saunders.. guys who say that it takes a qb 2 or 3 years to "get" their system.. i guess they all feel that it is better for the young qb to spend 2-3 years on the bench learning their system , than playing in Canada ?? if that is what you are hearing when you are riding the bench, that is what you will likely do.

plus, backups are paid very good money to do very little. how much are you going to get for starting in Canada ? and if your agent is hearing that you are making a dumb choice by doing that, what do you do ?

and you have guys like Max Hall and Skelton who went from the bench to starting in less than a year, so it does happen.. no guarantee that those guys even have spot on the Zona roster in 2012, but they actually got to play

Well, I'm not talking about guys who would be expected to contribute. I'm talking about guys like the John Beck, Colt Brennan, Rhett Bomar, Levi Brown, Chase Daniel, Graham Harrell, Dan LeFevour, Tony Pike etc etc of the NFL world. Wouldn't it make sense to get them game action?

[shally]

Well, I'm not talking about guys who would be expected to contribute. I'm talking about guys like the John Beck, Colt Brennan, Rhett Bomar, Levi Brown, Chase Daniel, Graham Harrell, Dan LeFevour, Tony Pike etc etc of the NFL world. Wouldn't it make sense to get them game action?

of course it would.. you think that Kurt Warner would have been as good without all the Arena league play ? or wherever it was he got reps ?

but i am telling you, without their own minor league or developmental league, the NFL coaches and personnel guys have a marked prejudice against the Canadian League.. that is the only explanation i can offer..

[akhhorus]

of course it would.. you think that Kurt Warner would have been as good without all the Arena league play ? or wherever it was he got reps ?

but i am telling you, without their own minor league or developmental league, the NFL coaches and personnel guys have a marked prejudice against the Canadian League.. that is the only explanation i can offer..

Thats the only one that makes any sense.

[cal_junior]

Not sure where to put this, but Auburn WR Darvin Adams will enter the draft (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/01/auburns_darvin_adams_forgoing.html).

6-3, 185 - he was the team's leading receiver the past two seasons.

[skinsfan36]

how many of those DL's besides fairly are actually suited for 3/4 ?

also, other than NT, the DL in a 3/4 are really not as critical as LB's.. are any of them worth that high a pick ??

well dareus and fairley are both top 10 picks and would be studs in the 3/4. watt and jordan could rise(watt is our pick in some mocks). a few scouts were comparing watt to aaron smith and think he would be a very good 3/4 end. the others are more likely to be picked in the 20-50 range

[tribeinca]

well dareus and fairley are both top 10 picks and would be studs in the 3/4. watt and jordan could rise(watt is our pick in some mocks). a few scouts were comparing watt to aaron smith and think he would be a very good 3/4 end. the others are more likely to be picked in the 20-50 range

I like JJ Watt a lot. What impresses me is the guy never give up on a play and he has the work ethic. He will be a heck of a player in the NFL.

[akhhorus]

I like JJ Watt a lot. What impresses me is the guy never give up on a play and he has the work ethic. He will be a heck of a player in the NFL.

+1. He's low(er) talent, but he gives it all.

[shally]

+1. He's low(er) talent, but he gives it all.

a good player for the 3/4 perhaps.. i just dont know if he is worth the #10 overall.. then again, look at the skills that Orakpo possesses but he just doesnt seem to be making great strides from year to year.. getting by more on talent than technique

[akhhorus]

a good player for the 3/4 perhaps.. i just dont know if he is worth the #10 overall.. then again, look at the skills that Orakpo possesses but he just doesnt seem to be making great strides from year to year.. getting by more on talent than technique

I'd take him in the 2nd(maybe), but the Skins could do better at 10 if they wanted a 3-4 DE--Clayborn being the obvious choice.

[shally]

I'd take him in the 2nd(maybe), but the Skins could do better at 10 if they wanted a 3-4 DE--Clayborn being the obvious choice.

just a further comment on Kerrigan

last year
13 sacks
18 1/2 tackles for loss
7 forced fumbles (led nation)
past 2 years
20 sacks
30 tackles for loss

non stop motor
not sure that the comparison to Jared Allen isnt appropriate. 6 4" and 265, so he is a little smaller, but he is a tremendously productive player.. def end, however, so moving him to OLB would be a mistake for us.. just saying..

[akhhorus]

just a further comment on Kerrigan

last year
13 sacks
18 1/2 tackles for loss
7 forced fumbles (led nation)
past 2 years
20 sacks
30 tackles for loss

non stop motor
not sure that the comparison to Jared Allen isnt appropriate. 6 4" and 265, so he is a little smaller, but he is a tremendously productive player.. def end, however, so moving him to OLB would be a mistake for us.. just saying..

I'll take another look at him, but as for production, some perceptive:
Top 10 yearly in sacks(players who were productive in the NFL in bold):
2004:
Jonathan Goddard 16
Ryan Riddle 14
Justin Parrish 14
David Pollack 12
Mathias Kiwanuka 12
Larry McSwain 11
Bill Swancutt III 11
Demarcus Ware 11
Darryl Blackstock 10
Jonathan Babineaux 10

2005:
Elvis Dumervil 17
Dan Bazuin 16
Mario Williams 14
Willie Evans 14
John Chick 12
Quentin Moses 11
Tamba Hal 11
Anthony Trucks 11
Lawrence Jackson 10
Ryan Neill 10

2006:
Ameer Ismail 17
Justin Hickman 12
LaMarr Woodley 12
Jamaal Anderson 11
Bruce Davis 11
Abraham Wright 11
Derrick Harvey 11
Gaines Adams 11
Mkristo Bruce 11
Albert McClellan 11

2007:
Greg Middleton 16
George Selvie 14
Vernon Gholston 14
Chris Long 14
Jan Jorgensen 13
Anthony Hoke 13
Bruce Davis 12
Maurice Evans 12
Nick Reed 12
Dexter Davis 10

2008:
Jerry Hughes 15
Phillip Hunt 14
Everette Brown 13
Nick Reed 13
Victor Butler 12
Aaron Maybin 12
Brandon Williams 12
Dexter Davis 11
Brian Orakpo 11
Dontay Moch 10

There's not any correlation between sack production and NFL success. In fact, I would ignore sack production when looking for a pass rusher.

[shally]

you are certainly correct.. just look at Harvey for exhibit A that sacks alone arent the be-all and end-all

but i think that Kerrigan is a complete player and he came up big against Ohio St.. i think he is going to be a player like Kampman or VandenBosch who has a very solid career and is very dangerous

he needs a 4/3 team and that means he wont be drafted by either Dallas or Washington because of their commitment to the 3/4.. so i stand corrected about saying Dallas would possibly take him and move Spencer inside... it wont happen for sure with Rob Ryan now as DC.. the Giants dont need another end right now, but i could see Philly taking him if he falls there..

[esmith1790]

I'll take another look at him, but as for production, some perceptive:
Top 10 yearly in sacks(players who were productive in the NFL in bold):

2008:
Jerry Hughes 15
Phillip Hunt 14
Everette Brown 13
Nick Reed 13
Victor Butler 12
Aaron Maybin 12
Brandon Williams 12
Dexter Davis 11
Brian Orakpo 11
Dontay Moch 10

There's not any correlation between sack production and NFL success. In fact, I would ignore sack production when looking for a pass rusher.

When the cowboys drafted both players Victor and Butler in the 2009 draft, college sacks were all the rage here on the radio stations. But has history has proven time and time again, 1 doesnt relate to the other.

[Patrick]

Like this one for sure

Kirkpatrick is a solid pick but don't think he's ready for the starting duties for a year (unless he force into playing time due to injury). Regardless - I'm in total agreement with the pick.

Henry .... I was thinking the first guy Allen is siging to a contract once the draft was completed. 7th round pick - sure why not.

[nicefellow31]

I like the gamble on Williams with the #3 pick. First round talent at third round price. Just like what happened to James Stark and Green Bay. He was projected to be a 2nd round pick but injured his shoulder. Green Bay took him in the 6th round and now he is healthy and their gamble is starting to take off.

[Redskin4Life]

I like the picks... who do you see us getting in FA??

[akhhorus]

I like the picks... who do you see us getting in FA??

In this scenario, I would bet a 3-4 OLB like Woodley, a Vet FS like Sharper and a RB like DeAngelo Williams.

[esmith1790]

In this scenario, I would bet a 3-4 OLB like Woodley, a Vet FS like Sharper and a RB like DeAngelo Williams.

With the draft most likely to happen before FA period starts, do you think it would restrict the skins from drafting players if they have targeted these FAs?

[akhhorus]

With the draft most likely to happen before FA period starts, do you think it would restrict the skins from drafting players if they have targeted these FAs?

Talk to me when the FA period is after the draft. I have a feeling that even with the lockout, there will be some handshake deals made.

[shally]

In this scenario, I would bet a 3-4 OLB like Woodley, a Vet FS like Sharper and a RB like DeAngelo Williams.

add Kahlil and i would be a happy camper..but there is still a need for a Vet wideout