Report: Osama Bin Laden has been killed

[akhhorus]

Obama to announce, reportedly we have the body.

[PyroGenic]

Holy crap. There goes one Alex Jones theory lol

[smoot]

http://dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/team-America.jpg

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Wow. Huge win for the west if true. I wonder how badly this will hurt Al Queida?

Apparently, he has been dead for a number of hours. Killed in Pakistan.

[akhhorus]

Wow. Huge win for the west if true. I wonder how badly this will hurt Al Queida?

He was a symbol, but he also was their funder, organizer and leader. Its a big blow.

[BigCountry]

Not sure if comparisons can be drawn but I during my time in Israel, we caught and killed leader after general after leader, and it didn't stop. It's a symbolic and meotional victory for sure and I hope some of the 9/11 victims families can some small consolation from this, but these could be dangerous times and I'm sure the military realize this and will be ready.

[akhhorus]

Not sure if comparisons can be drawn but I during my time in Israel, we caught and killed leader after general after leader, and it didn't stop. It's a symbolic and meotional victory for sure and I hope some of the 9/11 victims families can some small consolation from this, but these could be dangerous times and I'm sure the military realize this and will be ready.

Arafat's death badly hurt Fatah. But I wouldn't call it the same, Al Queda is a small terrorist group, not a group that can easily recruit among dissatisfied, unemployed people in a small area.

[Fathead]

The only bad news will be if we find out he did not suffer.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Not sure if comparisons can be drawn but I during my time in Israel, we caught and killed leader after general after leader, and it didn't stop. It's a symbolic and meotional victory for sure and I hope some of the 9/11 victims families can some small consolation from this, but these could be dangerous times and I'm sure the military realize this and will be ready.

Yeah, you never know if this will embolden or demoralize his followers. You can never tell with zealots.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Obama's speech is due in a couple of minutes. I'm fascinated with this one.

[BigCountry]

They're saying he was killed in a mansion.

[akhhorus]

They're saying he was killed in a mansion.

US Special forces shot and killed him.

[smoot]

US Special forces shot and killed him.
Yeah they did. Also the best bar pick up line of all time. "I killed Bin Laden, want to get out of here?"

[BigCountry]

Yeah they did. Also the best bar pick up line of all time. "I killed Bin Laden, want to get out of here?"

Hell I'd go home with him.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Obama giving credit to gov't of Pakistan for assisting the U.S. in this operation. Good to see that co-operation.

[smoot]

We broke into his mansion, got into a firefight, killed everybody there and had didn't have a single person injured. Incredible.

[fent]

We broke into his mansion, got into a firefight, killed everybody there and had didn't have a single person injured. Incredible.

We have some bad, bad men in our ranks.

[BigCountry]

We broke into his mansion, got into a firefight, killed everybody there and had didn't have a single person injured. Incredible.

I doubt they were able to kill him AND take the body without anybody else on their side being at the very least injured, unless he throroughly believed there was no way anyone could find him in there. They had to have to get through some people to get to him.

EDIT:
I thought you mean't them. Yeah it's pretty impressive.

[BigCountry]

Funny I was just about to pop in the move The Assignment before I heard this. What's your cast for the movie of this operation? Christian Bale, Channing Tatum, Samuel L Jackson, and Obama as himself.

[Fathead]

I'm saddened to hear it was gunfire. I was hoping for napalm.

[RedskinsDave]

It will be an interesting time for security over the next few days.

[guess88]

I find it funny that he was killed in a mansion. Great sketches can be made of him living in a mansion while the rest of Al Qaeda lives in caves.

[fent]

Funny I was just about to pop in the move The Assignment before I heard this. What's your cast for the movie of this operation? Christian Bale, Channing Tatum, Samuel L Jackson, and Obama as himself.

Chuck Norris HAS to be involved.

[Chief Seeway]

Reports of Navy SEALs operated from helo's, zero casualties on our side. What a great day.

[smoot]

Funny I was just about to pop in the move The Assignment before I heard this. What's your cast for the movie of this operation? Christian Bale, Channing Tatum, Samuel L Jackson, and Obama as himself.
This is going to be the plot for the 24 movie

[smoot]

Reports of Navy SEALs operated from helo's, zero casualties on our side. What a great day.
edit: your right, seals pulled the trigger

[RedskinsDave]

I demand to see the long form death certificate.

Sincerely,

Michelle Bachmann

[RedskinsDave]

http://js-kit.com/blob/UG6z8c2qfAsvk9qAyNh4be.gif

[Fathead]

http://web22.twitpic.com/img/289266367-a510ed5d2ad56788109dd66db9b45ab1.4dbe3a50-full.jpg

[Fathead]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230101_2033638364459_1349184746_2359812_1325817_n. jpg

[Fathead]

http://i.imgur.com/1ZtvR.jpg

[SkinsKY]

It will be an interesting time for security over the next few days.

My thoughts the same. I'm glad we took the SOB down, but I also wonder if he had any sleepers or others that activate on his death.

Also, the mob of people singing the Star Spangled Banner outside the White House last night was awesome.

Edit: I'd also be curious to know when we knew he was in the mansion. If it was well before, Obama picked a great time to drop the funny on Trump,Bachman, et al. Make the toupee squirm and then confirm OBL's death in the same weekend? I'd say that's a pretty good couple of days.

[akhhorus]

My thoughts the same. I'm glad we took the SOB down, but I also wonder if he had any sleepers or others that activate on his death.

Also, the mob of people singing the Star Spangled Banner outside the White House last night was awesome.

Edit: I'd also be curious to know when we knew he was in the mansion. If it was well before, Obama picked a great time to drop the funny on Trump,Bachman, et al. Make the toupee squirm and then confirm OBL's death in the same weekend? I'd say that's a pretty good couple of days.

Here's a quick rundown of how we found him:
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/05/01/the_timeline_of_the_mission_to_kill_osama_bin_lade n

[shally]

good riddance

[dj_stouty]

This really is great news. The world is a better place with him no longer walking (or limping) around it. If anyone deserves burning in hell for eternity, it is Bin Laden.

But I can't help but admit I am on edge about possible retaliations. I hope our security efforts sniff out any possible attacks.

[hail2skins]

This really is great news. The world is a better place with him no longer walking (or limping) around it. If anyone deserves burning in hell for eternity, it is Bin Laden.

But I can't help but admit I am on edge about possible retaliations. I hope our security efforts sniff out any possible attacks.Don't worry, we've had dirty diapers in bags shutdown the area I work in.

[native skin]

Where's the body?

[fent]

Where's the body?

Somewhere on the floor of the Indian Ocean. WH considering releasing pictures.

[smoot]

Somewhere on the floor of the Indian Ocean. WH considering releasing pictures.
Theres already one of his face circulating

[native skin]

I don't like pictures. Being a Professional Photographer, I am very familiar with something called Photoshop. You can do anything with that program. Trust me. I want to see the body.

[akhhorus]

I don't like pictures. Being a Professional Photographer, I am very familiar with something called Photoshop. You can do anything with that program. Trust me. I want to see the body.

It usually easy to bust a fake photo, photoshopped or not.

[RedskinsDave]

Theres already one of his face circulating

Totally fake.

[native skin]

It usually easy to bust a fake photo, photoshopped or not.

You're probably right, in most cases. You don't want to see a body? Weren't you convinced Saddam's sons were dead when 'they' laid them out in the street for the entire world to see? I was. That's all I want. It's pretty simple.

[RedskinsDave]

You're probably right, in most cases. You don't want to see a body? Weren't you convinced Saddam's sons were dead when 'they' laid them out in the street for the entire world to see? I was. That's all I want. It's pretty simple.

It is curious that they decided to dispose of his body so quickly. Good thing it wasn't Bush or there would be a lot more people questioning it.

[native skin]

It is curious that they decided to dispose of his body so quickly. Good thing it wasn't Bush or there would be a lot more people questioning it.

LOL, very true.

[Keino]

It is curious that they decided to dispose of his body so quickly. Good thing it wasn't Bush or there would be a lot more people questioning it.

Funny how credibility works. When you go on national television to make the case for war and your case turns out not to be remotely true (Yellowcake Uranium/WMD) then people tend not to believe you.

Having said that, I wish they had not disposed of the body so quickly either, I am reading some coo-coo for coco puffs comments on facebook about that....

[akhhorus]

You're probably right, in most cases. You don't want to see a body? Weren't you convinced Saddam's sons were dead when 'they' laid them out in the street for the entire world to see? I was. That's all I want. It's pretty simple.

I'd rather not have a body in our possession for too long. All we have of the Hussein boys was video/pictures(and I believe we buried them quickly in unmarked graves), I bet we have the same for Osama(and it will come out quickly).

[native skin]

It is curious that they decided to dispose of his body so quickly. Good thing it wasn't Bush or there would be a lot more people questioning it.

What I find curious is that our culture, not so long ago (1800's), would put bodies on display when a criminal was killed. In 1934 when Dillinger was killed, the Feds revelled in putting his body on display. What better way to prove he was dead. He was the Most Wanted Man in the US and when he was killed, the authorities took great pride in showing his body. Why not? They worked their tails off to get him.

Bin Laden was the most wanted man in the world, second to Hitler, and they decide to just toss his body overboard? They've spent Trillions of dollars, thousands of Americans have died, and hundreds of thousands or more of civilians have died. We're in a war that is 9 years old. I would think that, after all this war has cost the world, they would want to put a body on display. Am I speaking another language here?

I'd rather not have a body in our possession for too long. All we have of the Hussein boys was video/pictures(and I believe we buried them quickly in unmarked graves), I bet we have the same for Osama(and it will come out quickly).

I really hope your right.

[akhhorus]

Bin Laden was the most wanted man in the world, second to Hitler, and they decide to just toss his body overboard? They've spent Trillions of dollars, thousands of Americans have died, and hundreds of thousands or more of civilians have died. We're in a war that is 9 years old. I would think that, after all this war has cost the world, they would want to put a body on display. Am I speaking another language here?

I understand your point and agree with it to a certain extent, but I agree more with the concept that you deny his followers as much of rallying points/actions as possible. If Bin Laden is still alive, he can release a video of him reading from today's newspaper lol. No one is disputing, not even Al Queda or the Taliban, that he's dead.

[justinskins]

I understand your point and agree with it to a certain extent, but I agree more with the concept that you deny his followers as much of rallying points/actions as possible. If Bin Laden is still alive, he can release a video of him reading from today's newspaper lol. No one is disputing, not even Al Queda or the Taliban, that he's dead.

Exactly. This is the reason they didn't want to keep the body around, and buried it in an unspecified location at sea.

[Skins7ny]

Yippie-ki-yay, MF!
The world is a much, much better place than it was this time yesterday.

Not sure if comparisons can be drawn but I during my time in Israel, we caught and killed leader after general after leader, and it didn't stop. It's a symbolic and meotional victory for sure and I hope some of the 9/11 victims families can some small consolation from this, but these could be dangerous times and I'm sure the military realize this and will be ready.
Based on prior threads in which you excuse Palestinan terrorism, I suppose you also believe that Al Queda's terrorism is justified. After all, they have their grievances as well, and feel that those grievances are legitimate (e.g., American interference in Muslim countries, American occupation of Arab land, etc.), just like the Palestinians.

[native skin]

I also understand your take on why they got rid of the body. This is a democracy. Being able to speak our minds is one of the strengths of this Nation and I love this country for it. I think both points have validity.

[akhhorus]

I also understand your take on why they got rid of the body. This is a democracy. Being able to speak our minds is one of the strengths of this Nation and I love this country for it. I think both points have validity.

I fully agree.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-death-photo-brains-visible/


According to ABC News, the photos are pretty damn gruesome -- with one report stating, "[Osama] has a massive head wound above his left eye where he took bullet, with brains and blood visible."

[native skin]

I fully agree.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-death-photo-brains-visible/

While the WH is debating *cough* stalling *cough* there is someone doctoring up photos, potentially.... lol I'm just sayin'....

[akhhorus]

While the WH is debating *cough* stalling *cough* there is someone doctoring up photos, potentially.... lol I'm just sayin'....

Thats not worth getting the crickets link for lol.

[BigCountry]

Yippie-ki-yay, MF!
The world is a much, much better place than it was this time yesterday.


Based on prior threads in which you excuse Palestinan terrorism, I suppose you also believe that Al Queda's terrorism is justified. After all, they have their grievances as well, and feel that those grievances are legitimate (e.g., American interference in Muslim countries, American occupation of Arab land, etc.), just like the Palestinians.

This is why people block you. My Grandfather fought in the 1948 war, my Dad was in the air working intelligence on the Antebe opperation, my uncle was a decorated pilot for Israeli air force, me and my cousins served in the military, one of which is in an elite counter terror unit. I WILL NOT take any crap from you over any of this because you and your opinion are nothing. If you don't like it, get your smarmy behind over to Israel and do something about it, although I doubt preaching will ever be used as a weapon and you can't hide behind a screen and make half whitted comments. Why don't you go do what you are qualified to do, and demonstrate in front of a mosque with some AIPAC nut jobs, light some korans on fire and sing kumbaya.

[RedskinsDave]

This is why people block you. My Grandfather fought in the 1948 war, my Dad was in the air working intelligence on the Antebe opperation, my uncle was a decorated pilot for Israeli air force, me and my cousins served in the military, one of which is in an elite counter terror unit. I WILL NOT take any crap from you over any of this because you and your opinion are nothing. If you don't like it, get your smarmy behind over to Israel and do something about it, although I doubt preaching will ever be used as a weapon and you can't hide behind a screen and make half whitted comments. Why don't you go do what you are qualified to do, and demonstrate in front of a mosque with some AIPAC nut jobs, light some korans on fire and sing kumbaya.

pwned.

[CarMike]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/slideshow/photos-inside-osama-bin-laden-kill-zone-13508190

Link to mansion OBL was found inside of. Looking at those pictures, not much of a mansion.

[BigCountry]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/slideshow/photos-inside-osama-bin-laden-kill-zone-13508190

Link to mansion OBL was found inside of. Looking at those pictures, not much of a mansion.

Not very secure either. I climbed over harder fences than that ditching school in the 8th grade.

[akhhorus]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/slideshow/photos-inside-osama-bin-laden-kill-zone-13508190

Link to mansion OBL was found inside of. Looking at those pictures, not much of a mansion.

According to Steve Coll, who wrote the book "Ghost Wars" about the chase for Bin Laden up to 9/11, a lot of land around the compound is owned by the Pakistan military and it was build in 2005. Hmmm.

[RedskinsDave]

Despite the public kudos by Obama, Pakistan isn't coming out smelling so good and I am not talking about their citizens.

[fent]

According to Steve Coll, who wrote the book "Ghost Wars" about the chase for Bin Laden up to 9/11, a lot of land around the compound is owned by the Pakistan military and it was build in 2005. Hmmm.

And the town is apparently a huge landing place for military retirees and the compound was about 1000 yards from the Pakistani equivalent to West Point...I'm finding it hard to believe these guys didn't know exactly who was in those walls.

[shally]

According to Steve Coll, who wrote the book "Ghost Wars" about the chase for Bin Laden up to 9/11, a lot of land around the compound is owned by the Pakistan military and it was build in 2005. Hmmm.

would bet he was protected for some time

[BigCountry]

According to Steve Coll, who wrote the book "Ghost Wars" about the chase for Bin Laden up to 9/11, a lot of land around the compound is owned by the Pakistan military and it was build in 2005. Hmmm.

Can't say I'm shocked. Looking at that compound and its surroundings you have to think that he was counting on the fact that the entire area itself was secure. I'm intrigued to know how we got 25 men into his little hood. The compound itself, considering that there was barely anybody there and all it was surrounded by was some a fence and a couple of walls, had to have been the eaisier part of the mission.

[fent]

Despite the public kudos by Obama, Pakistan isn't coming out smelling so good and I am not talking about their citizens.

I did enjoy the "we helped!", "no you didn't", "okay, you're right."

[fent]

Can't say I'm shocked. Looking at that compound and its surroundings you have to think that he was counting on the fact that the entire area itself was secure. I'm intrigued to know how we got 25 men into his little hood. The compound itself, considering that there was barely anybody there and all it was surrounded by was some a fence and a couple of walls, had to have been the eaisier part of the mission.

CNN reporting that choppers were flying below radar, so until they firefight started, no one knew what was going on.

[BigCountry]

Despite the public kudos by Obama, Pakistan isn't coming out smelling so good and I am not talking about their citizens.

As far as any retribution goes I think that's where the hammer might fall.

[akhhorus]

Can't say I'm shocked. Looking at that compound and its surroundings you have to think that he was counting on the fact that the entire area itself was secure. I'm intrigued to know how we got 25 men into his little hood. The compound itself, considering that there was barely anybody there and all it was surrounded by was some a fence and a couple of walls, had to have been the eaisier part of the mission.

It appears to have two big courtyards on either side of the building, that would make it easy to rappel troops on either side very quickly. Seal team 6 and Delta practice for this kind of mission all the time.

[Skins7ny]

Arafat's death badly hurt Fatah. But I wouldn't call it the same, Al Queda is a small terrorist group, not a group that can easily recruit among dissatisfied, unemployed people in a small area. Arafat's death helped Fatah in the sense that it enabled Fatah to grow from being a corrupt kleptocracy that had lost much popular support (hence the electoral loss in Gaza) to an organization that now actually governs the West Bank and appears capable of running the state once statehood is finally achieved.

This is why people block you. My Grandfather fought in the 1948 war, my Dad was in the air working intelligence on the Antebe opperation, my uncle was a decorated pilot for Israeli air force, me and my cousins served in the military, one of which is in an elite counter terror unit. I WILL NOT take any crap from you over any of this because you and your opinion are nothing. If you don't like it, get your smarmy behind over to Israel and do something about it, although I doubt preaching will ever be used as a weapon and you can't hide behind a screen and make half whitted comments. Why don't you go do what you are qualified to do, and demonstrate in front of a mosque with some AIPAC nut jobs, light some korans on fire and sing kumbaya.I know of only one other person who blocks me, and like you, he is fond of misrepresenting my position on the Middle East by calling me a right-wing radical, which I am not. Both you and he have resorted to calling me vile names when you are losing an argument, but you cannot point to a single post of mine that supports or provides evidence for your vile name-calling.

You served in the military like almost every non-religiously-exempt Israeli. You have relatives who have fought in the wars (so have I). I am well aware of them from your previous posts in threads regarding the middle east. I honor your service, but your position seems to be that I cannot comment on Israeli politics and the Palestinian conflict unless I have served in the Israeli Military. That is the same logic that football players use to say that we as fans cannot criticise them unless we have strapped on a jockstrap ourselves. In which case I trust that you will no longer post about the Redskins, unless you have played the game yourself.

Throughout your ridiculous rant, you did not once address my argument that you are an apoligist for the Palestinians and their terrorism, and that a line can be drawn between the Palestinian terrorism you have excused in the past, and the Al-Queda terrorism that Bin Laden fomented.

I am sorry that you take offense at the argument and how it paints you morally, but it is the truth, and you have not addressed it. Having spent time in the Israeli military does not give you a pass on this-there are plenty of ex-military people involved with the debate on both sides. Your postings on the subject in other threads have been extremely harsh on Israel, in my opinion without justification and without balance. If you are going to dish out this criticism, you should be willing to be called out on it so long as the criticism is fair and rational. You haven't (and cannot, I believe) show me where it isn't fair. Which is why you resort to insults and name calling.

[IH Brave]

If you don't mind I would like to recite a poem I just created. I hope you like it:

I was outside walking around.
I smelled a stench coming up from the ground.
The stench was very rotten.
That's when I realized it was Osama Bin Laden

ROT IN HELL!!!!!

[fent]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488236/WikiLeaks-Osama-bin-Laden-protected-by-Pakistani-security.html

American diplomats were told that one of the key reasons why they had failed to find bin Laden was that Pakistan’s security services tipped him off whenever US troops approached.

Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISID) also allegedly smuggled al-Qaeda terrorists through airport security to help them avoid capture and sent a unit into Afghanistan to fight alongside the Taliban.

[shally]

Can't say I'm shocked. Looking at that compound and its surroundings you have to think that he was counting on the fact that the entire area itself was secure. I'm intrigued to know how we got 25 men into his little hood. The compound itself, considering that there was barely anybody there and all it was surrounded by was some a fence and a couple of walls, had to have been the eaisier part of the mission.

helicopters. assault came from air. apparently cleared by Pak government

[akhhorus]

helicopters. assault came from air. apparently cleared by Pak government

There's a conflict on this. We're saying we didn't tell any other govs, but there were Paki units on scene at the attack cordoning off the perimeter. Sounds like we turned to a trusted Paki unit to help, but didn't tell the gov.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

glad they got his ass,but they are gonna have to release a picture of him dead before most of the country believes it!

[BigCountry]

Arafat's death helped Fatah in the sense that it enabled Fatah to grow from being a corrupt kleptocracy that had lost much popular support (hence the electoral loss in Gaza) to an organization that now actually governs the West Bank and appears capable of running the state once statehood is finally achieved.

I know of only one other person who blocks me, and like you, he is fond of misrepresenting my position on the Middle East by calling me a right-wing radical, which I am not. Both you and he have resorted to calling me vile names when you are losing an argument, but you cannot point to a single post of mine that supports or provides evidence for your vile name-calling.

You served in the military like almost every non-religiously-exempt Israeli. You have relatives who have fought in the wars (so have I). I am well aware of them from your previous posts in threads regarding the middle east. I honor your service, but your position seems to be that I cannot comment on Israeli politics and the Palestinian conflict unless I have served in the Israeli Military. That is the same logic that football players use to say that we as fans cannot criticise them unless we have strapped on a jockstrap ourselves. In which case I trust that you will no longer post about the Redskins, unless you have played the game yourself.

Throughout your ridiculous rant, you did not once address my argument that you are an apoligist for the Palestinians and their terrorism, and that a line can be drawn between the Palestinian terrorism you have excused in the past, and the Al-Queda terrorism that Bin Laden fomented.

I am sorry that you take offense at the argument and how it paints you morally, but it is the truth, and you have not addressed it. Having spent time in the Israeli military does not give you a pass on this-there are plenty of ex-military people involved with the debate on both sides. Your postings on the subject in other threads have been extremely harsh on Israel, in my opinion without justification and without balance. If you are going to dish out this criticism, you should be willing to be called out on it so long as the criticism is fair and rational. You haven't (and cannot, I believe) show me where it isn't fair. Which is why you resort to insults and name calling.

Based on prior threads in which you excuse Palestinan terrorism, I suppose you also believe that Al Queda's terrorism is justified. After all, they have their grievances as well, and feel that those grievances are legitimate (e.g., American interference in Muslim countries, American occupation of Arab land, etc.), just like the Palestinians.


So in this thread, you suggested that I support terrorism because I once said Palestinian civilians have basic human rights, and that the people that violate those rights are wrong. Not only was this an obvious attack, but it was irellevant to the thread. Then you insult my intelligence by acting like all your doing is having a civil conversation, like I'm an idiot and couldn't see the condescending tone in your post that was an obvious attempt to wind me up. To put the cherry on top, you act like an innocent victim when you get what you were looking for. You're a condescending little coward and I owe you no explanation.

[Keino]

Yippie-ki-yay, MF!
The world is a much, much better place than it was this time yesterday.


Based on prior threads in which you excuse Palestinan terrorism, I suppose you also believe that Al Queda's terrorism is justified. After all, they have their grievances as well, and feel that those grievances are legitimate (e.g., American interference in Muslim countries, American occupation of Arab land, etc.), just like the Palestinians.

Beyond the pale for a number of reasons. One, he never excused Palestinian terrorism and two comparing the plight of Palestinians to Al-Quaeda (please note you are the only person in this forum to do this ever) is absurd on numerous levels. All he really did in those prior threads is do what you seem incapable of doing, which is to admit that Israel has committed atrocities against Palestinians. Way to muck up a thread that was pretty much all around positive.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

It appears i was dead wrong on Pakistani co-operation. I thought they had made amends for their lukewarm assistance to the U.S. in trying to get bin Laden in past years. I agree with previous posters that it appears the Pakistani military may have been aiding him. I'm glad the U.S. did this in spite of any "assistance" Pakistan may have provided.

What I am hearing now is that in the final fire fight he was trying hide behind women:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/americas/white-house-bin-laden-tried-to-hide-behind-women-during-battle/article2007004/

So at the end of it all the righteous Islamic jhiadist was a just lilly livered coward. Just desserts for one history's most evil men.

[Fathead]

For the record I ignore you for being a ridiculous person as well.

[BigCountry]

It appears i was dead wrong on Pakistani co-operation. I thought they had made amends for their lukewarm assistance to the U.S. in trying to get bin Laden in past years. I agree with previous posters that it appears the Pakistani military may have been aiding him. I'm glad the U.S. did this in spite of any "assistance" Pakistan may have provided.

What I am hearing now is that in the final fire fight he was trying hide behind women:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/americas/white-house-bin-laden-tried-to-hide-behind-women-during-battle/article2007004/

So at the end of it all the righteous Islamic jhiadist was a just lilly livered coward. Just desserts for one history's most evil men.

This is just a theory but maybe the faction in the military that built and guarded his compound flipped on him. If the most wanted man in the world is sitting around behind a few fences, he had to have been counting on something that wasn't there. That or he was 100% convinced there's no way we'd know where he is.

[akhhorus]

This is just a theory but maybe the faction in the military that built and guarded his compound flipped on him. If the most wanted man in the world is sitting around behind a few fences, he had to have been counting on something that wasn't there. That or he was 100% convinced there's no way we'd know where he is.

All reports are that we found out his locations via detainees in Gitmo who told us about his 2 most trusted couriers(who owned the compound). We finally found the couriers last august and slowly built information up about the compound.

[Skins7ny]

So in this thread, you suggested that I support terrorism because I once said Palestinian civilians have basic human rights, and that the people that violate those rights are wrong. Not only was this an obvious attack, but it was irellevant to the thread. Then you insult my intelligence by acting like all your doing is having a civil conversation, like I'm an idiot and couldn't see the condescending tone in your post that was an obvious attempt to wind me up. To put the cherry on top, you act like an innocent victim when you get what you were looking for. You're a condescending little coward and I owe you no explanation.First of all, I am not little. Second of all, you continue to misrepresent my position viz. the Palestinians. I have said repeatedly that I think they should have their own state. I do not support violations of their rights. But I don't believe that Israel's defending herself = a violation of Palestinian rights. Much like our actions in Afghanistan and elsewhere, it is unavoidable that civilians will be harmed when you are retaliating against terrorists who hide amongst civilian populations and who use civilians as human shields. Did we commit a war crime yesterday when we killed the woman whom Bin Laden was trying to use as a human shield? This is where we differ. I recognize that Israel has made mistakes but to ascribe evil motive to people who are trying to defend their very existence is unfair and unjust. You have posted that Israel has committed terrorism against the Palestinians, I am not making that up. I disagree with your position. I don't think you are an idiot. I was trying to point out the hypocrisy (as I see it) in your position-if you are insulted by that, then look in the mirror. If you honestly believe that there is not at least some hypocrisy in your position, then so be it.

For the record I ignore you for being a ridiculous person as well.
Yes, I remember when I called you out on your condescending comment towards both sides in the "Israel-Palestine Discussion" thread. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. If you feel the need to ignore me because I pissed you off, then we are both probably better off for it.


Beyond the pale for a number of reasons. One, he never excused Palestinian terrorism and two comparing the plight of Palestinians to Al-Quaeda (please note you are the only person in this forum to do this ever) is absurd on numerous levels. All he really did in those prior threads is do what you seem incapable of doing, which is to admit that Israel has committed atrocities against Palestinians. Way to muck up a thread that was pretty much all around positive.
Of course he has (excused Palestinian terrorism, that is). If you don't think so, go back and read his comments in the "Israel-Palesine [sic] Discussion" and "Gaza Behind the Scenes Thread" - he says that the poor, beleagured Palestinians have no other means to express themselves other than blowing up busses. If that is not excusing terrorism I don't know what is.

My initial post was borne out of my resentment at the hypocrisy of Big Country's weighing in on Bin Laden when I know how he apologizes for the Palestinians. Hamas and their ilk are Israel's Bin Laden, and he was born and raised there so he knows that. And there is no excusing terrorism whether it is done by one or the other. Al Queda has its grievances as well, and whether we think it is legitimate or not is in the eye of the beholder. When you justify the means because you think the goal is worthy, you are condoning terrorism as a political tool regardless of the worthiness of the goal that is being espoused. And I would say the same thing for those extremely rare instances when Israelis commit terrorism against Arabs (i.e., the Baruch Goldstein massacre) or when Cuban-Americans (whose goals I share) commit acts of terrorism aimed at Castro's regime. Terrorism is wrong, period. And retaliating against terrorism is not terrorism.

But you are right that I should have held my tongue (or my typing) in this instance. The point of the thread is to celebrate the demise of Bin Laden, one of the most evil people in recorded history. I should not have let my personal feelings left over from previous threads muddy up this thread.

[Keino]

Might I suggest PM ing your personal feelings on the topic to BC and having a civil discussion that way. It seemed to work pretty well for you and I and while we are not in agreement over the issue, we at least better understand each other.

[akhhorus]

And here come the Conspiracy theories:

http://gawker.com/#!5797815/was-bin-ladens-death-planned-to-distract-from-obamas-birth-certificate

Hopefully, we can have a vote on kicking Taitz out of the tribe and declare her Presbyterian lol.

[Fathead]

My aren't you full of yourself. I have ignored you (and will return to it in a minute) because you are an ignorant troll, not because of anything you said to or about me.

[Ibleedburgundy]

IMO, it was wrong that this POS was able to live as long as he did, and very unfortunate that he presumably died a quick death. I fart in his general direction.

[akhhorus]

There's an unconfirmed report that the White House Situation room watched the death of Bin Laden through a camera attached to one of the seal's helmet. If so, I'm guessing it'll come out sooner or later.

[native skin]

There's an unconfirmed report that the White House Situation room watched the death of Bin Laden through a camera attached to one of the seal's helmet. If so, I'm guessing it'll come out sooner or later.

I can't imagine they wouldn't have something like that. You know they have the tech. Your average Joe can go to Toys r us and get a camera to mount on a gun or helmet. But it's probably in IR or whatever they use for night vision. That will make it difficult to see all the details.

[akhhorus]

I can't imagine they wouldn't have something like that. You know they have the tech. Your average Joe can go to Toys r us and get a camera to mount on a gun or helmet. But it's probably in IR or whatever they use for night vision. That will make it difficult to see all the details.

Here's the picture of inside the White House situ room:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5226/5680724572_d4696d593d_z.jpg

Looks like something dramatic is happening.

[BigCountry]

Here's the picture of inside the White House situ room:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5226/5680724572_d4696d593d_z.jpg

Looks like something dramatic is happening.

What's Ray Romano doing sticking his head in the door?

[cal_junior]

Here's the picture of inside the White House situ room:
Looks like something dramatic is happening.

No audio, supposedly, but they had quite bit of live video.

Suffice it to say I'd pay a pretty penny to see that footage. The combination of watching DEVGRUs in action with seeing OBL's compound taken would be pretty MFing sweet.

[SkinsKY]

Here's the picture of inside the White House situ room:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5226/5680724572_d4696d593d_z.jpg

Looks like something dramatic is happening.

Why is John Lithgow in there?

[SkinsKY]

What's Ray Romano doing sticking his head in the door?

Ack, beat me while I was catching up on the rest of the thread. :)

[Keino]

Ack, beat me while I was catching up on the rest of the thread. :)

I see Ray Romano, but where is John Lithgow? LOL

[SkinsKY]

I see Ray Romano, but where is John Lithgow? LOL

Standing with his arms crossed behind the chair.

[native skin]

Here's the picture of inside the White House situ room:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5226/5680724572_d4696d593d_z.jpg

Looks like something dramatic is happening.

Hilary's face says it all, doesn't it? I would love to see that video, too. That could be evidence enough for me. But apparently, the footage never showed BL's face. I could be wrong. But according the news station I was watching, that's what they said. I think it was Wolf Blitzer.

[guess88]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/slideshow/photos-inside-osama-bin-laden-kill-zone-13508190

Link to mansion OBL was found inside of. Looking at those pictures, not much of a mansion.

That's a mansion compared to a desert cave

[JasonCampbell]

Is that something explicit on HilRod's laptop?

[guess88]

Is that something explicit on HilRod's laptop?

It does look purposely blurred

[akhhorus]

It does look purposely blurred

Its been blurred. It's a classified document.

[native skin]

It looks like an aerial photo of the compound.

[RedskinsDave]

Here's the picture of inside the White House situ room:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5226/5680724572_d4696d593d_z.jpg

Looks like something dramatic is happening.

First time most of them have seen the military in action.

Okay, now that I took a shot.....

CNN played the campaign speech Obama gave where he said if needed we will go into Pakistan whether they can or will help and will take care of Bin Laden. Consider that promise kept, Mr. President (may be the first time I've addressed him as that too). Job well done.

[akhhorus]

more good news:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html

The assault force of Navy SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives and disks during their weekend raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, yielding what a U.S. official called “the mother lode of intelligence.”

[RedskinsDave]

Everyone in AQ must be on the run right now.

[akhhorus]

Everyone in AQ must be on the run right now.

Good, getting them out of their hiding places and out into the open exposes them to our tender mercies.

[Death_Venom]

Good bye, good riddance and burn in hell.....
:devil2:

[CarMike]

http://www.wwl.com/American-flag-burned-at-LSU/9747182

In an apparent protest to the killing of Usama Bin Laden, someone burned an American flag on the campus of LSU.

Officials say that the American flag that waves over the Parade Ground at LSU was cut down and burned early this morning.

Cpt. William Conger with the University Department of Military Science and Leadership told the Daily Reville that state flag flying with the American flag was also destroyed.

"It's an act of cowardice, not only to this great nation, but to the men and women who serve this great nation," Conger said.

Authorities say the source of ignition appears to be matches and a model rocket engine.

The destruction of the flag comes hours after word that U.S. Navy Seals shot and killed Osama bin Laden, the terrorist mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks on the United States.

Officials say it may take a couple of days to get a new flag atop the pole because of damage done by the fire.

Photos below taken by Paul Burt show members of the LSU ROTC standing guard at the scene of where two temporary flags have been errected at the base of the flagpole:

[RedskinsDave]

Cowards.

[Ibleedburgundy]

lolz............

[RedskinsDave]

NSFW or kids:

http://i.imgur.com/JbU2F.png

[smoot]

The flag burners should be thrown in the brig of a navy destroyer

[jtovb2005]

The flag burners should be thrown in the brig of a navy destroyer

There are no brigs on destroyers.

As an alternative they could be assigned to Deck Division and given a rack in OPs berthing. :)

Apologies to any ops types here. Lol

[CarMike]

The flag burners should be thrown in the brig of a navy destroyer

I think they should have to go through Navy Seals training. With the guys that took down UBL as their Drill Instructors.

[Keino]

CNN played the campaign speech Obama gave where he said if needed we will go into Pakistan whether they can or will help and will take care of Bin Laden. Consider that promise kept, Mr. President (may be the first time I've addressed him as that too). Job well done.

:sun:

[fent]

I saw this ad a couple years ago and really liked it. Saw it again this morning and figured this was an appropriate place to share it.

http://www.talgas.com/pics/military/navy-seal-ad-swamp.jpg

[RedskinsDave]

That's awesome.

The more I read, the more I have a big fat middle finger for Pakistan. I know they're generally not to be trusted but this is at the "I didn't realize John Gotti was in the mob" level ignorance from the neighborhood.

[hail2skins]

I saw this ad a couple years ago and really liked it. Saw it again this morning and figured this was an appropriate place to share it.

http://www.talgas.com/pics/military/navy-seal-ad-swamp.jpg
Has anybody spotted any of them in this pic.

[Keino]

Cuckoo for Co Co Puffs I tell you. I am going to have to stay off of FB for a while. There are some real kooks out there.....

[justinskins]

Cuckoo for Co Co Puffs I tell you. I am going to have to stay off of FB for a while. There are some real kooks out there.....

What are they saying?

[fent]

Has anybody spotted any of them in this pic.

Over the couple times I've seen the ad, I've looked for a total of an hour probably. I still can't decide if they're actually in it or not.

[GeneralDisorder]

Over the couple times I've seen the ad, I've looked for a total of an hour probably. I still can't decide if they're actually in it or not.

Check the 4th tree on the right - about two-thirds up the page...

[cal_junior]

In an apparent protest to the killing of Usama Bin Laden, someone burned an American flag on the campus of LSU.

S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C!

[cal_junior]

Slate's website (http://www.slate.com/id/2292860/) has a page where you can try to match famous scumbags like OBL to their fugitive lairs.

For example:

http://i51.tinypic.com/volkw5.jpg

[akhhorus]

Slate's website (http://www.slate.com/id/2292860/) has a page where you can try to match famous scumbags like OBL to their fugitive lairs.

For example:

http://i51.tinypic.com/volkw5.jpg

Is that where Jim Tressel is hiding? (for the SEC snark lol)

[cal_junior]

Is that where Jim Tressel is hiding? (for the SEC snark lol)

World is that Jim Tressel has known about Bin Laden's hiding place for years. He just failed to tell anybody.

[akhhorus]

Some more funny Obama pics:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/20-best-obama-memes-from-the-osama-drama

[Passepartout74]

Hats off to our people in uniform. As thoughts and prayers are still with the families of those 3K people that awful 2001 September Tuesday day!

[RedskinsDave]

I am getting a little tired of the facebook morons who keep saying "Obama killed Bin Laden". Um no, a soldier killed Bin Laden. It was a correct call by Obama and company to do things the way they did (save maybe the burial at sea) but Obama killed no one. There is, of course, a tinge of irony that the information that led us to him was gleaned from Gitmo.

[Keino]

I am getting a little tired of the facebook morons who keep saying "Obama killed Bin Laden". Um no, a soldier killed Bin Laden. It was a correct call by Obama and company to do things the way they did (save maybe the burial at sea) but Obama killed no one. There is, of course, a tinge of irony that the information that led us to him was gleaned from Gitmo.

Apparently you know a more sane group of folks than I do. I keep seeing stuff like: He was dead in 2007 or why are people celebrating a death and crap like that. And don't get me started on the ones who sound like Truthers. Crazytown I tell you.

[akhhorus]

I am getting a little tired of the facebook morons who keep saying "Obama killed Bin Laden". Um no, a soldier killed Bin Laden. It was a correct call by Obama and company to do things the way they did (save maybe the burial at sea) but Obama killed no one. There is, of course, a tinge of irony that the information that led us to him was gleaned from Gitmo.

Link? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMvnH0i9nkE)

[tuckahoeskin]

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned. I haven't read the last couple of pages here.

Rashard Mendenhall has found it necessary to chime in via tweet. Here's getting torched for it, rightfully so. Here's a response from the Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/seriously-rashard-mendenhall-osama-and-conspiracy-theories/2011/03/03/AFOAIthF_blog.html

[Emmanouel8]

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned. I haven't read the last couple of pages here.

Rashard Mendenhall has found it necessary to chime in via tweet. Here's getting torched for it, rightfully so. Here's a response from the Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/seriously-rashard-mendenhall-osama-and-conspiracy-theories/2011/03/03/AFOAIthF_blog.html

Mendenhall is a complete moron.

[akhhorus]

Mendenhall is a complete moron.

He wasn't the only one, James Harrison was saying similar things(albeit very toned down) on twitter/facebook.

[native skin]

Slate's website (http://www.slate.com/id/2292860/) has a page where you can try to match famous scumbags like OBL to their fugitive lairs.

For example:

http://i51.tinypic.com/volkw5.jpg

Cool! That's awesome. I got one wrong.I got Paul Schaefer's wrong. I thought it was Saddam's. You can run but you can't....

[Emmanouel8]

He wasn't the only one, James Harrison was saying similar things(albeit very toned down) on twitter/facebook.

Make that 2 complete morons on the same team.

[justinskins]

Um no, a soldier killed Bin Laden.

Kudos to whoever catches why this is wrong.

[tuckahoeskin]

Kudos to whoever catches why this is wrong.

OK, Dave misspoke. It was a sailor -- a SEAL. Go buy yourself a beer.

[RedskinsDave]

Kudos to whoever catches why this is wrong.

Kudos to picking nits.

[justinskins]

It was a sailor -- a SEAL.

Kudos.

[CarMike]

Kudos to whoever catches why this is wrong.

Wow, didn't realize we were still in middle school.

[tuckahoeskin]

Wow, didn't realize we were still in middle school.

Step away from the board awhile and it becomes obvious. :)



On a side note for you Mike, a good friend of mine was courtside for the Dook game in Chapel Hill. He sent me a couple of pics, the bastard. Would've been nice to have been there for that one.

[CarMike]

Step away from the board awhile and it becomes obvious. :)



On a side note for you Mike, a good friend of mine was courtside for the Dook game in Chapel Hill. He sent me a couple of pics, the bastard. Would've been nice to have been there for that one.

I would love to be court side for a game like that. Would never spend that type of money though....lol

Here's a pretty funny animation:

http://www.y8.com/animation/Taliban_Takes_on_Telemarketers_Taliban_Telephone

[cal_junior]

Some clarification from Mr. Mendenhall. Short version: The Bible tells us we shouldn't celebrate the death of anyone, even "the wicked"

http://r34mendenhall.blogspot.com/2011/05/i-appreciate-those-of-you-who-have.html

[akhhorus]

Some clarification from Mr. Mendenhall. Short version: The Bible tells us we shouldn't celebrate the death of anyone, even "the wicked"

http://r34mendenhall.blogspot.com/2011/05/i-appreciate-those-of-you-who-have.html

Which part of the Bible spoke about metallurgy and physics since he was questioning whether an airliner could destroy a building. What a fool.

[justinskins]

Which part of the Bible spoke about metallurgy and physics since he was questioning whether an airliner could destroy a building. What a fool.

Come on, he's just encouraging us to think.

[akhhorus]

Come on, he's just encouraging us to think.

You forgot the "...about how badly one's brain is hurt by concussions" after "think".

[justinskins]

You forgot the "...about how badly one's brain is hurt by concussions" after "think".

He hasn't been in the league long enough to use that as an excuse. There must be some other problem with his brain.

[akhhorus]

He hasn't been in the league long enough to use that as an excuse. There must be some other problem with his brain.

Link? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjHKMJTh1w)

[dj_stouty]

Nice photoshop paying hommage to the interesting head-dressings found at Friday's Royal Wedding...

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222062_2072229524903_1219843885_2573544_7072499_n. jpg

[cal_junior]

He hasn't been in the league long enough to use that as an excuse. There must be some other problem with his brain.

I don't know. Sean Taylor hit him pretty hard during that preseason game a few years back.

[RedskinsDave]

Which part of the Bible spoke about metallurgy and physics since he was questioning whether an airliner could destroy a building. What a fool.

That's the bell he can't unring. I wonder how comfortable his helmet is over his tin foil hat.

[BigCountry]

White House saying photos won't be released. I would have been curious enough to look but I can understand why they made that decision. Can't wait for the movie. Any title ideas?

[RedskinsDave]

I think its a mistake unless they really think releasing it would fuel attacks. They need to at least make sure enough people see it who can verify that they have seen the picture too.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I think its a mistake unless they really think releasing it would fuel attacks. They need to at least make sure enough people see it who can verify that they have seen the picture too.

Meh, the guy is dead. Any reasonable person knows it based on the mountain of evidence already provided i.e. his wife, his personal items, his DNA, etc. I don't see why the conspiracy idiots should be appeased.

[Ibleedburgundy]

...at the same time I want to see the damn photo.

[dj_stouty]

Meh, the guy is dead. Any reasonable person knows it based on the mountain of evidence already provided i.e. his wife, his personal items, his DNA, etc. I don't see why the conspiracy idiots should be appeased.

I think there are many of us non-conspiracy people who would also like to see those photos for personal reaons. Not to verify anything...but just to visually see the death of the most evil person of our generation.

But safety first. If they think showing the picture will spawn attacks, then keeping them under wraps is probably best.

[RedskinsDave]

Meh, the guy is dead. Any reasonable person knows it based on the mountain of evidence already provided i.e. his wife, his personal items, his DNA, etc. I don't see why the conspiracy idiots should be appeased.

You're preaching to the choir. I want to see them mostly for my own jollies.

Even one of his young daughters told the Paki police she saw him get shot. That makes me smile.

[justinskins]

IMO, they should offer to show the picture to families of 9/11 victims, privately and without distributing copies.

[akhhorus]

If you're going to "prove" that he's dead, put his head on a spike on the White House lawn. A picture won't satisfy anyone who doesn't want to believe it anyways.

[akhhorus]

Some of the dead in the raid are pictured here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-compound?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#/?picture=374256178&index=6

Warning: VERY graphic.

[Fathead]

If you're going to "prove" that he's dead, put his head on a spike on the White House lawn. A picture won't satisfy anyone who doesn't want to believe it anyways.

With a sign that says "Terrorists, Ye Be Warned"

[dj_stouty]

Some of the dead in the raid are pictured here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-compound?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#/?picture=374256178&index=6

Warning: VERY graphic.

Wow.

[akhhorus]

Wow.

The SEALs all deserve a pay raise.

And there appears to be a picture of where bin Laden met his death.

[RedskinsDave]

Some of the dead in the raid are pictured here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-compound?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#/?picture=374256178&index=6

Warning: VERY graphic.

Beautiful.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

if they are not releasing the death shot because they think it will create violence,why not release the burial footage to show he got a proper funeral?
i heard of the description of what the OBL death shot looked like.it said that an area above his left eye was missing! that probably would piss a lot of arabs off!

[BigCountry]

Wow.

They won't be questioning United States interigation methods.

[Skins7ny]

Meh, the guy is dead. Any reasonable person knows it based on the mountain of evidence already provided i.e. his wife, his personal items, his DNA, etc. I don't see why the conspiracy idiots should be appeased.+1. Also, Al-Jazeera won't be getting any more tapes from him, which also will help convince people who otherwise might be skeptical. Most conspiracy theorists are blind to reason anyway, so it wouldn't matter.

...at the same time I want to see the damn photo.+1. Morbid curiosity and "nyah-nyah-nyah-nhay-nyah". Not very mature on my part, but I want to see him dead (Al Pacino in Scarface: "You think you're a big shot? Well, look at you now!")

IMO, they should offer to show the picture to families of 9/11 victims, privately and without distributing copies.
Agreed. They should be given the option.

[tuckahoeskin]

I want to see the pictures. Show the world. If we released pictures of Abu Ghraib, we can release these pics.

[akhhorus]

Damn hippies!

Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/05/03/2011-05-03_marijuana_crops_planted_at_osama_bin_ladens_com pound_farmers_growing_ganja_near_.html#ixzz1LPXFJU 3e)

It's no wonder the locals in Abbottabad didn't know Osama Bin Laden was living there - they were too busy harvesting their ganja.

Reporters at Bin Laden's million-dollar hideout discovered small plots of marijuana growing in the deserted lots on the compound's perimeter.

The dope plants were planted on three sides of the compound, alongside some less sexy crops such as cabbage and potatoes, CNN reported Tuesday

[SkinsKY]

If the pictures were released, I would look at them. I don't think they're needed to prove anything. If OBL was alive, he would release a video or audio tape. AQ would want to respond immediately somehow and show that he's alive. The silence on their end is deafening. And, as akh mentioned, a photo isn't going to prove anything to skeptics.

I'm satisfied either way. The dude is gone. Picture or not, it doesn't change my mind on the result or how Obama handled it.

[BigCountry]

Damn hippies!

Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/05/03/2011-05-03_marijuana_crops_planted_at_osama_bin_ladens_com pound_farmers_growing_ganja_near_.html#ixzz1LPXFJU 3e)

Those should be harvested and given to out to Navy SEAL team 6...and me.

[akhhorus]

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/7783/373627d1304543297toblre.jpg

[RedskinsDave]

I am surprised more attention hasn't been paid to the fact that the information that led us to Bin Laden was from Gitmo and "advanced interrogation techniques". Just sayin.

[akhhorus]

I am surprised more attention hasn't been paid to the fact that the information that led us to Bin Laden was from Gitmo and "advanced interrogation techniques". Just sayin.

That actually isn't confirmed. We didn't get any info from senior AQ members who we know were waterboarded(KSM gave us the wrong names of the trusted couriers). The info that started the skein which led to the attack did came from a gitmo detainee, but Rummy(take it for what its worth) is saying that there was no waterboarding in Gitmo today. I'll bet that we cut a deal over we waterboarded someone for the info.

EDIT: I'd point out that Bin Laden's personal driver, who was at GITMO and presumably would be a person who would know whom Osama trusted as couriers, got a very light sentence when his trial went through the Military courts. 5 1/2 years, which was ruled as time served. Hmm...

[RedskinsDave]

Panetta confirmed the waterboarding without confirming it. He was evasive without lying about it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#42887470

See his response after 4:00.

[oldskinfan]

If you don't mind I would like to recite a poem I just created. I hope you like it:

I was outside walking around.
I smelled a stench coming up from the ground.
The stench was very rotten.
That's when I realized it was Osama Bin Laden

ROT IN HELL!!!!!

Funny poem but you know he's at the bottom of the Indian Ocean right? ;-)
OBL is lower than whale sh*t, which is just about fitting.


Also here's a great clip from Jon Stewart on why HE wants to see the photos
http://gawker.com/#!5798799/jon-stewart-release-the-bin-laden-death-photos

[akhhorus]

Panetta confirmed the waterboarding without confirming it. He was evasive without lying about it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#42887470

See his response after 4:00.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/05/rethinking-guantanamo-after-detainee-info-led-bin-laden/37287/

But Reuters's Mark Hosenball includes details that tell a different story, hearing from multiple "current and former U.S. officials" that the crucial courier information only came long after harsh interrogation techniques like waterboarding had been abandoned. It wasn't just post-2002 that this happened, but post-2004, i.e. after the CIA had "suspended" the harsh techniques, according to Hosenball. "The first key intelligence reports identifying the al Qaeda courier reached U.S. counter-terrorism officials in 2004," writes Hosenball, citing "a former U.S. national security official with direct personal knowledge."

[RedskinsDave]

Yeah, I think I'll go with the words from the CIA director's mouth.

And this guy too:

http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/04/did-torture-get-the-us-osama-bin-laden/

[akhhorus]

Yeah, I think I'll go with the words from the CIA director's mouth.

And this guy too:

http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/04/did-torture-get-the-us-osama-bin-laden/

1. Panetta evaded, and the "waterboarding didn't work, but other methods did, but the detainee was waterboarded once" fits with his evasion.
2. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html?_r=1&ref=world

One detainee who apparently was subjected to some tough treatment provided a crucial description of the courier, according to current and former officials briefed on the interrogations. But two prisoners who underwent some of the harshest treatment — including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times — repeatedly misled their interrogators about the courier’s identity.

and
Glenn L. Carle, a retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation of a high-level detainee in 2002, said in a phone interview Tuesday, that coercive techniques “didn’t provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information.” He said that while some of his colleagues defended the measures, “everyone was deeply concerned and most felt it was un-American and did not work.”


The problem is that KSM's waterboarding(and all waterboarding) stopped long before we got the info on the courier's name. The timeline doesn't fit.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Seems to be yet another installment of Bush Administration employees vs. the evidence. Hmmmm where have I seen this before?

[RedskinsDave]

Seems to be yet another installment of Bush Administration employees vs. the evidence. Hmmmm where have I seen this before?

No, it seems to be people who were at Gitmo/CIA director vs. newspapers. We see this all the time.

[RedskinsDave]

And from the STFU department:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110504/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_geronimo

[akhhorus]

No, it seems to be people who were at Gitmo/CIA director vs. newspapers. We see this all the time.

Putting aside he said, he said(and its people who were there also who don't agree with you): the timeline doesn't work for the "we got the information from waterboarding" side. We stopped all waterboaring in 04. So, we sat on that information for years before picking up the trail in 07/08? We started pushing for this courier later(after waterboarding was banned). You should have kept reading:
In 2004, however, a Qaeda operative named Hassan Ghul, captured in Iraq, gave a different account of Mr. Kuwaiti, according to the American official. Mr. Ghul told interrogators that Mr. Kuwaiti was a trusted courier who was close to Bin Laden, as well as to Mr. Mohammed and to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who had become the operational chief of Al Qaeda after Mr. Mohammed’s capture.

Mr. Kuwaiti, Mr. Ghul added, had not been seen in some time — which analysts thought was a possible indication that the courier was hiding out with Bin Laden.

The details of Mr. Ghul’s treatment are unclear, though the C.I.A. says he was not waterboarded. The C.I.A. asked the Justice Department to authorize other harsh methods for use on him, but it is unclear which were used. One official recalled that Mr. Ghul was “quite cooperative,” saying that rough treatment, if any, would have been brief.

Armed with Mr. Ghul’s account of the courier’s significance, interrogators asked Mr. Mohammed again about Mr. Kuwaiti. He stuck to his story, according to the official.

After Mr. Libi was captured in May 2005 and turned over to the C.I.A., he too was asked. He denied knowing Mr. Kuwaiti and gave a different name for Bin Laden’s courier, whom he called Maulawi Jan. C.I.A. analysts would never find such a person and eventually concluded that the name was Mr. Libi’s invention, the official recalled.

Again, the C.I.A. has said Mr. Libi was not waterboarded, and details of his treatment are not known. But anticipating his interrogation, the agency pressured the Justice Department days after his capture for a new set of legal memorandums justifying the most brutal methods.

We waterboarded KSM, and it appears that he wasn't involved in the intelligence in it(unless you want to claim that his evasions made us suspicious). And ironically: KSM gave us a lot of good, actionable info when we didn't waterboard him. Ghul and Libi appear to be more important, and the CIA is saying for the record that they weren't waterboarded.

[native skin]

And from the STFU department:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110504/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_geronimo

Frankly, I was a surprised when the news mentioned that Laden's code name was Geronimo. Maybe bin laden's codename really was 'Jackpot' and the media misspoke. If not, the powers-that-be really could have used another word. Racism is deeply ingrained in our culture and this does need to be addressed. I'm not saying it was racially motivated. In fact, I don't think it was motivated by that. It was probably motivated by old/traditional military catch words or phrases, that are frankly a bit outdated. There's no need to make those types of connections between a man (Geronimo) who was merely defending his land/Nation (no different than what we are doing against Al Qaeda) and a total POS that murdered thousands of innocent people.

[BigCountry]

Frankly, I was a surprised when the news mentioned that Laden's code name was Geronimo. Maybe bin laden's codename really was 'Jackpot' and the media misspoke. If not, the powers-that-be really could have used another word. Racism is deeply ingrained in our culture and this does need to be addressed. I'm not saying it was racially motivated. In fact, I don't think it was motivated by that. It was probably motivated by old/traditional military catch words or phrases, that are frankly a bit outdated. There's no need to make those types of connections between a man (Geronimo) who was merely defending his land/Nation (no different than what we are doing against Al Qaeda) and a total POS that murdered thousands of innocent people.

I thought that was the code word for "we got him", rather then HIS code name.

[RedskinsDave]

It was his name because Geronimo could hide and avoid capture. Again, the Indians can STFU.

[SkinsKY]

It was his name because Geronimo could hide and avoid capture. Again, the Indians can STFU.

Pretty sure that's it too. It was my first thought when I heard it, at least. I can't imagine that POTUS or any high level government official would let a racially charged code name be used.

[justinskins]

Pretty sure that's it too. It was my first thought when I heard it, at least. I can't imagine that POTUS or any high level government official would let a racially charged code name be used.

I think the issue for the Apache is not so much that the name is "racially charged," but that they consider Geronimo a great leader and war hero. As such they don't like having his name associated with Bin Laden any more than most Americans would like associating him with George Washington.

[Keino]

I think the issue for the Apache is not so much that the name is "racially charged," but that they consider Geronimo a great leader and war hero. As such they don't like having his name associated with Bin Laden any more than most Americans would like associating him with George Washington.

That's it exactly. I can understand that, but I also don't think there was any intentions beyond ability to avoid capture for using the name.

[justinskins]

That's it exactly. I can understand that, but I also don't think there was any intentions beyond ability to avoid capture for using the name.

Agreed. There was no intention to offend.

[Carmelo]

I thought this was pretty funny for it to be thrown off the cuff in that situation.

When bin Laden’s corpse was laid out, one of the Navy SEALs was asked to stretch out next to it to compare heights. The SEAL was 6 feet tall. The body was several inches taller.

After the information was relayed to Obama, he turned to his advisers and said: “We donated a $60 million helicopter to this operation. Could we not afford to buy a tape measure?”
link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/death-of-osama-bin-laden-phone-call-pointed-us-to-compound--and-to-the-pacer/2011/05/06/AFnSVaCG_story.html)

[native skin]

It was his name because Geronimo could hide and avoid capture. Again, the Indians can STFU.

Wow, so eloquently put. Bravo. I didn't know the natives made curry. You learn something new everyday.

[native skin]

Agreed. There was no intention to offend.

I agree. I don't think the military would blatantly or intentionally use a racially charged name or word. But i do think it is outdated with a lot of baggage attached to it. Using the name Geronimo (a person the US captured and imprisoned until he died of pneumonia in 1909) is akin to a trophy, sort of like when hunter mounts the head of his kill on his wall. Geronimo was not an animal. He might have been crazed like an animal during the defense of his home, during Mexican and American advancements. But he was no bin laden. And to make the connection that the military used the term because bin laden was difficult to catch is some twisted form of sentimentalism. Please, that's really a stretch.

[akhhorus]

Supposedly the name of the operation was "Neptune Spear". The Seals like using "spear" in all their missions reportedly.

[cal_junior]

Supposedly the name of the operation was "Neptune Spear". The Seals like using "spear" in all their missions reportedly.

I'm friends with quite a few mermaids and fish. They've been telling me they find being connected to bin Laden in any way to be very offensive.

[RedskinsDave]

I agree. I don't think the military would blatantly or intentionally use a racially charged name or word. But i do think it is outdated with a lot of baggage attached to it. Using the name Geronimo (a person the US captured and imprisoned until he died of pneumonia in 1909) is akin to a trophy, sort of like when hunter mounts the head of his kill on his wall. Geronimo was not an animal. He might have been crazed like an animal during the defense of his home, during Mexican and American advancements. But he was no bin laden. And to make the connection that the military used the term because bin laden was difficult to catch is some twisted form of sentimentalism. Please, that's really a stretch.

It's not a stretch. It's a fact.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

no matter what you accomplish through basically anybody in life,somebody is always gonna be pissed about something connected to it!
any of you guys seen geronimo's grave? i saw it in 1982 when i was stationed at fort sill,oklahoma.really fitting,but cheap to perhap's the 2nd most famous native american ever!

[rskinsfan10]

For what it's worth, which may not be much, POTUS is referred to as Geronimo in the movie Salt during the scenes in the White House near the end.

That's all I got....

[cal_junior]

perhap's the 2nd most famous native american ever!

After the great war hero Chief Wahoo, I assume.

[RedskinsDave]

After the great war hero Chief Wahoo, I assume.

Tonto. Come on man.

[cal_junior]

Tonto. Come on man.

It depends on the historian you choose to follow. Tonto was great, but the battles Wahoo fought again the dark stocking tribe of Illinois and the twin armies of Minneapolis are the stuff of legend. To say nothing of those bandits based near the strait of Lake Erie. Those guys have tigers for Christ's sake.

[akhhorus]

It depends on the historian you choose to follow. Tonto was great, but the battles Wahoo fought again the dark stocking tribe of Illinois and the twin armies of Minneapolis are the stuff of legend. To say nothing of those bandits based near the strait of Lake Erie. Those guys have tigers for Christ's sake.

Sitting Bull is the most famous imo.

[dj_stouty]

The most famous has to be Famous Dave (of the BBQ chain). Hell, he has "famous" in his name for crying out loud!

[akhhorus]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/13/us-binladen-porn-idUSTRE74C4RK20110513

A stash of pornography was found in the hideout of Osama bin Laden by the U.S. commandos who killed him, current and former U.S. officials said on Friday.

The pornography recovered in bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, consists of modern, electronically recorded video and is fairly extensive, according to the officials, who discussed the discovery with Reuters on condition of anonymity.

[Ibleedburgundy]

$5 says he likes em hairy

[fent]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/13/us-binladen-porn-idUSTRE74C4RK20110513

Thank God it was the SEALS that walked in on him and not his mom!

:imshock: :twak:

[dj_stouty]

$5 says he likes em hairy

LMFAO!

[tuckahoeskin]

$5 says he likes em hairy

Midgets maybe?

[JasonCampbell]

My source says he likes a good plot.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

i guess if the special forces would not have killed him that night,he would have found a special way to"Get Off"then,would'nt he?:niceday: