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[PennSkinsFan]

I officially hate the Fun N Gun offense!

Fair weathered fan? No way, I love this damn franchise with every bit of me, but i never liked theSpurrier hiring and the Fun N Gun offense is going to take a good young QB that has so much potential and ruin the kid. This offense is far from fun, and Ram just has not time to fire the gun. I dont liek this offense, i was questioning it last year, but from what I have seen, even in our wins, this offense sucks.

Go ahead, sign it!~

[Gump84]

If we had a decent O-line, I think it would actually be enjoyable, but otherwise, I hate it as well

[NamVet4]

:(
I certaily understand your position. In addition, what concerns me is that this game gives some credence to the rumors, specualtion, or whatever you want to call the issue of disunity in the organization. I did not see a focused team out there this afternoon. The "Fun 'N Gun" maybe the wrong scheme, but unless Danny Boy pulls something drastic during the bye week it is the system for now.

This bye week is critical, for everyone.

[hail2skins]

I've said it once, I'll say it again. There is a flaw in his scheme. When I first said this people said it was the players. It's the blocking scheme that has a problem.

[GolfFreak]

They were ripping it on TV ... putting a TE on a DE. Ramsey isn't going to make it through the season.

[AZ#1SkinsFan]

I CALL FOR STEVE SPURRIERS HEAD NOW!!!!!

1) His blocking schemes couldn't stop a high school defense.
2) His play calling is horrible.
3) His game planning is horrible.
4) He instills no no discipline whatsoever.
5) His players don't respect him.
6) etc.
7) etc.

Get a new coach now. Give him this year to get familiar with the team and to figure out which players he wants to keep.

AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smiley]

Firing the coach midseason is not the answer. You think they play bad now? Everyone is responsible in this loss. I've given SS the benefit of the doubt, I've given LA the benefit of the doubt. Goerge Edwards too. I think we all have to a point. It's time to start sitting people on the bench and letting some young players take a stab at it. We can't panic and start firing people. We've been doing that for 5-6 years. Marty should have never been fired, i didn't agree with it at the time and I don't agree with it now. Don't get me wrong, SS has my full support, he IS a Redskin. Marty had these players disciplined and they played hard. We were not offensive juggernaut when he was around but obviously you don't need one to win Super Bowls. I need to let this sink in a little.

[Emmanouel8]

Spurrier was bad. The players played worse.

Geez-us, we put a disciplinarian Schottenheimer as a coach the players don't perform and cry about the coach being too strict. We give them a laid back coach they don't perform and cry about just doing their job. Clearly these players are overrated and a bunch of baby's. It's not just Schotty either.

I'm tired of hearing about the coach being the problem when the common denominator has been these pre-madonna players. PATHETIC ACROSS THE BOARD!

[Monk81]

I agree I have never liker Spurrier or his offense. I blame the 0Line for stupid penalties but the majority of the sacks are not given up by the Line it is usually a Back or TE trying to stop a DE. the scheme is the problem and has been for weeks.

chamberlain was just picked up and he is not known as a blocking TE but SS has him blocking DE's one on one against d lineman a week after being cut for being out of shape

[SkinsRock36]

Agree with you pennskinsfan, I think spurrier is not the answer to this team. He has been out coached almost every game this season. Man it makes me sick to my stomach how we played I really thought we were going to come out and play a hell of a game. But they fail again. One thing I will be watching this week is the trade talks with us and the 9ers with owens can anyone get and info on this for me? I really want to know. Thanks

[Smiley]

i thought the trade deadline is come and gone. No more trades for this year. We're stuck with what we have.

[Skins57]

I think the fun and gun has it place... my PLaystation2.

Why is it so hard to design an offense that is wide open but can still have a decent blocking scheme that your young franchise Qb doesn't get killed. I say SS will leave at the end of this year

[GhostRider68]

If we don't beat Dallas atleast once Spurrier won't have to leave Danny will show him the door. Let's hope Danny learns from this little experiment gone awry.

[Emmanouel8]

I really think so too. I think the Florida job will open back up and he'll be outta here. Still not good for us, we've tried a lot different coaches and nothings worked. Consider the fact that we tailored the offense to Spurrier by trading away Davis and we're almost stuck w/ another passing coach. It's UGLY!

[Patrick]

I can't say that of the F&G because UNTIL I see an O-line that can pass protect and run block there is not a system that WILL work here !!!!

[Rogers_Redskins]

I dont know, I really dont but I was really frustrated watching all the penalties and the miscues on offense. When Patrick would drop back and actually havve the time to throw he would either thorw a screen to the reciever or throw the bomb, the was no over the middle or anything else god it was ugly. I have been a fan my whole life...I even have the logo tatooed on my shoulder and I had to turn the game off in the fourth......

[guinness4health]

i think the fun and gun is not the problem, when ever ramsey has found a little bit of time he has made plays down field, but come on we have to do a better job of blocking.

and are you kinding me with all the penalties on the offensive line... it is absolutely OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!

by the way Steve Spurrier using a running back or a tight end one-on-one against a de-lineman is not how you execute the max protect formation.... last week that cost us Royal this week it knocked out ramsey. come ball coach i refuse to believe you could get away with that in the SEC let alone the NFL.

by the way can anyone tell me were Joe Jacoby is coaching right now? Cause helton is doing a pathethic job with this offensive line (really wish synder would never have let Schottenheimer fire him)

[PennSkinsFan]

Welcome to hR Guiness.

Fun N Gun is the problem. Fun N Gun is why Ram is getting killed. The clocking schemes in the fun n gun to maxmize receiving opportunities is costing Ramsey dearly. IT IS the system that sucks.

[RedskinRyan]

its so god damn frustrating to watch the skins play. it is a real test to see who the real fans are. atleast i know that i am cause i continue to support them. i dont think we had the false start penalties last year, so i dunno why we have em this year. im starting to want spurrier out of dc now. bring back gibbs!

[Skinzaholic]

Truthfully... I am not sure it is Spurrier that is the problem. Yes, his system sucks... and he is really starting to show that he is a quitter and is a College Primadonna... but I think the main problem is Dan Snyder. He has allowed so many dumb mistakes to happen over the last few years that this franchise is in critical shape.

We can't trade him... so I think we are sunk. Spurrier will leave come season end... and anyone with a brain will know to avoid DC like the plague. Thank you Danny.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Let's hold up here.

I'm gonna go back about a month and a half on this one. I remember posting a thread at the beginning of the season in which I said that Mike Martz and Steve Spurrier were very similar, in both mannerisms and coaching strategies. Martz, as he showed for more than a year, was determined to take his offensive plan and shove it down the throat of the other team, no matter how it was working. Unfortunately for him, once the Rams stopped dominating every single position o nthe field whenever thier offense was playing, the Greatest Show on Turf got a rude awakening. It couldn't protect its quarterback. Those four- and five-reciever sets did no good with Kurt Warner lying under a 300-pound defensive linemen. But Martz forced. And forced. And forced. And finally, after his former starting quarterback was reduced to the decade's best example of a flash in the pan, after his starting running back was sidelined for a month, after both of his third recievers found themselves with injuries, Martz scaled back. He stopped putting quite as many options out there and kept an extra man or two in to block. The result is what you've seen for the past three weeks. The Greatest Show on Turf lives. Is it quite as explosive, quite as flashy as the glory days when whatever Martz dreamed up would put points on the board? No. But it's pretty damn close.

The same thing is happening with the Fun'n'Gun. Is the system itself unworkable? I don't think so. The problem lies in the fact that Steve Spurrier is going through what Martz had to weather when the Rams lost the edge they had for a couple seasons. The Rams couldn't keep sending everyone and their grandma out on a pattern. It just didn't work anymore. That's what happening here. Will Spurrier learn? Yes, I believe so. He learned to run the ball more. He learned his ex-Gators don't work. He learned to get involved on defense and special teams. Martz eventually conceded that he couldn't continue to win by spreading the field as much as possible and throwing 60 times a game. He scaled back and the offense took off. That's Spurrier's next learning challenge. Less is more, Steve. Less recieving threats means more throwing time. Let Coles, Gardner, and McCants do their jobs, while Bryan Johnson and Ladell Betts do the half of theirs that you've been neglecting. The recievers will get open. Ramsey just needs the time to throw to them.

[Skinzaholic]

Would be nice... if we had a line... but I think that will still spell doom this year.

[Patrick]

JDS - In order for Ramsey to have time, you have to have the players on the offensive line that are capable of making their blocks. Right now we don't. In order for this system to work - the O-line has to protect.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

The O-line is giving up maybe a third of the sacks Ramsey takes. Generally it's been a back or tight end on a defensive lineman that's done it. That's something that needs to be tweaked in the system, which isn't hard to do. But the backs and tight ends still need to be kept in, only Spurrier must realize that they're there to pick up the blitz and assist the O-line, not take on a DE one-on-one.

[Apache]

What FUN?? I haven't seen any. Occasionally, the RAM can fire the GUN only to get STUNNED in the next set of downs.

[hail2skins]

Okay Joe I'm with you on this. But how long is it going to take Spurrier to learn this? It was discussed and written about after the last game how the blocking scheme was flawed. It's been written about since game #1 how Ramsey has been pummelled. If everyone else can see that, how come he hasn't. Also, this issue with mental errors on the line, are they not happening in practice and only on game day. Spurrier needs to fix the blocking schemes right away. I support him but I'm getting sick and tired of hearing him blame the players when there's an actual flaw in the scheme.

[PennSkinsFan]

It is more than OlIne problems. This OLine has talent, good talent. It is the blocking schemes abnd audibles. These guys are nto used to all the audibles. Scale them back. Putting Chamberlain on a DE is just down right stupid football. There is a major problem with these blockign schemes and that in root, is where the problem lies.

On defense, we know what the problem is as well. LBs and CBs, and S are getting worn out cause we simply do not have a DLine.

[Monk81]

we need to borrow a page from gruden's book who just so happend to learn from watching film of gibbs teams

put in a extra o lineman such as friedman at te to help protect that is max protection screw using backs and te let's start using extra lineman

i don't think any def. in the league could cover coles,gardner and mccants one on one and if ramsey had time he has shown he can pick def. apart

[GoingDeep]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
[B]It is more than OlIne problems. This OLine has talent, good talent. It is the blocking schemes abnd audibles. These guys are nto used to all the audibles. Scale them back. Putting Chamberlain on a DE is just down right stupid football. There is a major problem with these blockign schemes and that in root, is where the problem lies.

Chamberlain was not suppose to have the DE alone Sameuls was suppose to be there . He was not blocking a soul. To me it comes down to blown assignments.

[Green-Is-Good]

I couldn't agree with you more PSF

[DallasSux]

i want spurrier out too. we have good guys on O line. but they dont know what to do. our O line did better last season.

[Ford]

If OU wins the championship this year and Bob Stoops decides to jump to the NFL, I'd take him over Spurrier in a heartbeat. Only he probably wouldn't do that to spurrier since they used to coach together at florida and are very friendly .. Mike Stoops would also probably be doing a better job at DC than Edward's is thus far. I like Edwards but he's not getting the job done.

Well, that's my completely biased, OU homer post of the day.

[AZ#1SkinsFan]

Originally posted by GoingDeep
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
[B]It is more than OlIne problems. This OLine has talent, good talent. It is the blocking schemes abnd audibles. These guys are nto used to all the audibles. Scale them back. Putting Chamberlain on a DE is just down right stupid football. There is a major problem with these blockign schemes and that in root, is where the problem lies.

Chamberlain was not suppose to have the DE alone Sameuls was suppose to be there . He was not blocking a soul. To me it comes down to blown assignments.

Samuels is kept tight to "help out the left guard - because SS hase NO confidence in our LG's" the DT moves inside (from watching game film) the DE moves to the outside of the TE (who is lined up on the outside of the line, again they know to do this from watching film and seeing everyone in the league having success doing this) and he is burning the TE like nobody was there and nobody is running at Sammuels. FLAWED SYSTEM!!! PERIOD. Samuels penalties seem to stem from him being out of position. He realizes that Ramsey is going to get killed right before Ramsey is about to snap the ball and then he tries to move into position and gets a false start penalty. The holding penalties seem to come when every HB, FB, TE and REC take off on routes and 7 guys are comming at the 5 o-lineman. Or when Dockery gets burnt which is about every play. Sometimes I think the refs (they can call holding on just about every play in the NFL if they want) just don't like the Skins.

Also, if the left "blind" side of the line is the most important side to protect, what about moving Randy Thomas to LG and having confidence to spread Samuels a little wider. With protection on his blind side Ramsey would at least see the rush coming at him and maybe he would get the ball out a little faster instead of have his arm hit every other throw. Ramesy is scared. I hope Spurriers blocking schemes don't shatter his confidence forever and instill happy feet in his game.

anywho . . . my 2 cents

[Green-Is-Good]

Our o-line, before the season started, was considered to be one of the best in the NFL. Some anylists even rated our line higher than the Chiefs'. What the hell were these anylists thinking?

[PennSkinsFan]

When you have two pro bowler (Samuels and Thomas), a shoudl have been pro bowler (Jansen) a solid league starter (Fiore), and a C (Moore) who did a credible job last season, i can not see how an analyst woudl not expect otu OLine to be good. We all did as well. Fact is, i think the scheme and audibles suck. i think the Lienman are having a hard time adjusting to this offense. It is hard for me to believe that after goign to the NFL Pro Bowls, Chris Samuels just all of the sudden ssucks. It is hard for me to beleive watchign Jon jansen excel and deserve a pro bowl for the past how many years that he all of the sudden sucks. Somethign does not add up.

[hail2skins]

Well, if the linemen are having a hard time adjusting, it should have shown last season. We didn't have these problems last season.

[Green-Is-Good]

We have good talent, but they have not been playing smart football.

[LuvSkins17]

I bet Beamer would have done better............

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

if SS is such a genius, why wont he or cant he adjust?? it just baffles me. i have never played football or know all those complex terms in the playbook but even I know that you dont have a back or TE blocking a DE! thats just crap. this bye week, even though we lost, is coming at a good time. this team needs a gut check and the fans need a break from all the heartache.....

[twobits]

f&g works with boys,but in the nfl we have the best and quickest there is.SS HAS TO LEARN THAT.the worst team is cstill better then the bests boys collage team,that why the f&g does not work

[NamVet4]

Perhaps with the so-called "consulting" time that Joe Bugel spent with the Coaches today, there will be adjustments. There were a lot of excellent points made in the previous posts, but most encouraging is the fact that we as fans have not given up..... even tho' some suspect that some coaches and players have! I am also baffled if we, the fans, can see remedys, what stops the coaching staff from seeing the same thing and drawing the same conclusions??????????????????????????????????????? ?????????

Am I missing something ?????????????????????????????????????

[roberro]

I will repeat my previous comments about a revolving door for head coaches; you have to give a guy an honest try. Marty didn't get one although, with what he accomplished in one season, he deserved another year. But, the Danny wanted SS and noting was going to keep him from getting him; not firing a guy that brought a team back from a 0-5 start to finish 8-8; not a paycheck in the amount of 25 Mil. The little rich boy was going to get his way. Now we are stuck with a guy who goes out to the practice field and says to veteran QB's, " you have to hold the ball up next to your ear like I used to do, or you can't play for me". Having said all of this, I still think a revolving door is not the answer and SS should have the rest of this year and next year to get his act togehter. I still believe that we will come into our own in 2004 if we continue to develop the talent we have, SS continues to realize he is no longer a college coach, and "The Danny" continues to keep his nose out of it (fat chance). As far as Joe Bugel goes, if you are going to consult a guy about your sorry-ass O line, who better? I mean, this is the guy who invented the "HOGS"! I am encouraged that this organization reached out to this guy for some input. It shows me that all is not lost. HAIL!