Lavar questions effort and heart.... [Archive]

PennSkinsFan

10-20-2003, 03:11 PM

Well, he should. Anyone that denies that there was a lack of effort or heart needs to look at the game films, and then compare the Bills reaction to the Redskins. Nuff said there.

Secondly, Lavar need to take a look at himself as well, and make some decision abotu moving from being a good LB to a excellent one. The only way he can dothat is play disciplined football. He needs to start focusing himself.

AZ#1SkinsFan

10-20-2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Well, he should. Anyone that denies that there was a lack of effort or heart needs to look at the game films, and then compare the Bills reaction to the Redskins. Nuff said there.

Secondly, Lavar need to take a look at himself as well, and make some decision abotu moving from being a good LB to a excellent one. The only way he can dothat is play disciplined football. He needs to start focusing himself.

why do you think Lavar likes Goerge Edwards? Because Edwards allows him to do whatever he wants and doesn't hold his "star linebackers" accountable. Edwards took a real good D and turned it into a "the linebackers are the best Defensive position, lets run our whole D arround them" system . . . a 3-4 using 4 poor lineman. all out of position. If i were playing the Skins short dumps and crosses and RUNS RUNS RUNS . . . they can't stop anybody they way they played yesterday. the second half of the Buc's game, where Brad Johnson picked us apart and Pittman ran agape showed everyone how to easily move the ball on the Skins. Edwards better do something.

Emmanouel8

10-20-2003, 04:29 PM

Lavar said a lot more too. He said they weren't prepared for 3 TE sets?! Which is what TB ran a few times last week. He claimed the Bills ran it different...

He also said there IS joking around in the locker room and it IS bothering him as a leader...

Hailyeah

10-20-2003, 04:35 PM

That's really sad that they weren't prepared for certain things the opposing O could throw at them (3 TE sets). Its coaching 1st and players effort 2nd, I believe. There's enough blame to go around though. Either systems or indivual players are open for torchings in this MB for the next two weeks.

Redskinmayhem

10-20-2003, 04:42 PM

I listened to him as well. I'll never question Lavar's heart. yes, he needs to play smarter but I'd go to war with him any day. I don't know how his own teammates can't get hyped up about playing with somone that has as much heart as LA. I heard the pain in his voice. At times, I thought he was crying. That my friends is a gamer. he comes out and leaves it on the field every sunday. If spurrier's picking up guys off the street then he can come knock on my door. I'm not fast or big enough but I'll fight to the death next to Lavar any day of the week. He's the foundation of our team. More than Champ, Lav Coles, more than Danny-boy. I'm with Lavar. Anybody else?

Skaggsrules

10-20-2003, 04:58 PM

Watching the game yesterday, the only thing i said was that the skins were playing uninspired, now we have a bye week with a lot of work, the team needs to get inspired and LaVar can be the guy who can inspire the team ( his interception against the Panters 2 years ago). All I know is that if we don't get inspired, Dallas WILL humilitate us, i hate to say it, but i think u guys might agree.

NamVet4

10-20-2003, 05:09 PM

I don't believe anyone questions La Var's heart - it's his mindset and emotion that are questioned. He is definitely capable of pro-bowl performance! What to do?
1. Coach Edwards has got to gain control of his players.
2. Coach Edwards has to instill some "fire in the belly"
3. Coach Edwards has to commit, with Head Coach Spurrier, to simplify the D scheme.
4. The players have to give more "Sir, yes Sir Coach", in other words do what the Coach plans.
5. The players have to accept total responsibility for their own and their Team D performance.

Will this work? Yes! It already has shown itself as working in some of this seasons games.
You can certainly hash out what went wrong; this bye week needs to be used to address how to correct and IMPROVE

Spearfeather

10-20-2003, 06:13 PM

hail2skins

10-20-2003, 06:27 PM

I'd go to war with Lavar but he'd better have my BACK. He needs to play smarter and with more discinpline. Play his role and play it well.

RichardBradley

10-20-2003, 07:38 PM

Lavar and Champ are constantly out of position because they are trying to do to much... Something they both did last season until they realized how good Darell Gardner was... Does anyone miss him now....

Redskinfan29

10-20-2003, 09:01 PM

No, I don't miss him. He's hasn't played this year because of injury. Believe me, he would not be the answer this year. In fact, with his attitude, he would only be part of the problem

PennSkinsFan

10-20-2003, 09:58 PM

here are soem quotes:

"I'm hurt," he said. "My shoulders are hurting from hitting people, giving everything I have out on the field. To see the whole team isn't on that mindset -- I can't speak for the whole team. . . . I'm so embarrassed right now. . . . I'm so tired of losing. This is my fourth year and I'm so tired of losing."

The problems aren't only on the field, Arrington said.

"When you lose a game and you hear guys laughing and joking around . . . that starts to work on your nerves, really," he said. "It makes you start to wonder who really cares about winning these games."

Very disturbing. Catch the "I'm sick of losing" Lavar coudl be tough to keep when it coms time. He loves to win and has not tasted it here.

skins74

10-20-2003, 10:52 PM

Coaches need to step it up. Edwards has been out coached the last 5 games. The skins might bring in that Foze guy, he will fix it. Yeah right.

Spence

10-21-2003, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by AZ#1SkinsFan
why do you think Lavar likes Goerge Edwards? Because Edwards allows him to do whatever he wants and doesn't hold his "star linebackers" accountable. Exactly! Lavar does not know enough about football to freelance the way he does. That crap might have worked in college, but not in the NFL. If a player is out of position, the offense will see it and exploit it. There was a reason Marvin Lewis had such a tight leash around Arrington's neck. A good reason.

Patrick

10-21-2003, 05:54 AM

I listen to the interview yesterday too. The one thing NO ONE can argue is that Lavar wants to win. I agree with him 100% about the locker room antics (laughing and joking after a loss. That just burns me – I would release every SOB that was in there cutting up or joking after a loss.

Spence - I disagree with you about Lavar knowlegde of football. He's probably been in some form of organized ball for 15+ years (down to Pop Warner). And the reason that "Crap" worked at Penn St. is because he had a pretty damn good D-line in front of him who applied awesome pressure. .... You need a guy on the D who can think for himself (outside the box if you like). I want a guy out there who is given the option to freelance. The problem I see is the D coaches are not doing a very good job of perparing their team for game day. That is pretty damn evident went the players admitt they weren't perpare for certain formations AND there's NO denial by the coach.

PennSkinsFan

10-21-2003, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Patrick
I listen to the interview yesterday too. The one thing NO ONE can argue is that Lavar wants to win. I agree with him 100% about the locker room antics (laughing and joking after a loss. That just burns me – I would release every SOB that was in there cutting up or joking after a loss.

Spence - I disagree with you about Lavar knowlegde of football. He's probably been in some form of organized ball for 15+ years (down to Pop Warner). And the reason that "Crap" worked at Penn St. is because he had a pretty damn good D-line in front of him who applied awesome pressure. .... You need a guy on the D who can think for himself (outside the box if you like). I want a guy out there who is given the option to freelance. The problem I see is the D coaches are not doing a very good job of perparing their team for game day. That is pretty damn evident went the players admitt they weren't perpare for certain formations AND there's NO denial by the coach.

Agreed. Lavar can't do it all, although he MUST cut down on his personal mistakes, jumping off sides and his weekly personal fouls. That crap has to stop. BUT, i woudl never question Lavar's ability or knowledge. These gusy are simply worn out becaus ethere is not DLine in front to help makes plays.

Apache

10-21-2003, 09:23 AM

Marvin Lewis was strict with his D and I think if we had him back things would be different. I think it's ok to let a star try a position he thinks he's good at but, if it's not effective you need to put him back to where he was. I think the whole whole team has become losers because of the useless chatter. They need to learn how to bounce back and forget about the loss and move on to win. I think it's very tough to play in Washington because of all the constant changes. Least year we had a decent D but, quarterback contorversy, now this year we finally have a good Q but, no defense on offense or defense. I think Edwards will be done as well as the offensive line coach.

hail2skins

10-21-2003, 09:25 AM

The one thing I keep thinking of is the lack of NFL experience our coaching staff has.

PennSkinsFan

10-21-2003, 09:26 AM

and perhaps that was one big flaw Mike. Not only did we brign in Spurrier, a college coach, but we allowed Spurrier to shape his own staff with no NFL expeirence. Maybe that was a mistake fromt he get go.

Green-Is-Good

10-21-2003, 09:52 AM

Maybe LaVar should quit talking and start hitting people.

Redskinmayhem

10-21-2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Spence
Exactly! Lavar does not know enough about football to freelance the way he does. That crap might have worked in college, but not in the NFL. If a player is out of position, the offense will see it and exploit it. There was a reason Marvin Lewis had such a tight leash around Arrington's neck. A good reason.

I disagree here. Lavar is probably the smartest "football" player we have. He's a true student of the game. If we could ask his teammates, I'm sure they'd say the same thing. Lavar's problem is Emotion. He needs to control that rage. That's the one thing keeping him from being great at this point. remember too that he's only been in the league for 4 years. some of you may think that's alot but for an LB, I would expect his peak to be around 5-7 years. That's when he'll be most mature and he'll have seen everything an O coordinator can throw at him. I just hope he stays a Skin for that long. Look at Armstead. He's at his peak or nearing the end of it now. he's been in the league for quite a few years. that's why he knows when to take a chance on blitzing the QB like he did against the falcons and get us a safety. He did it against the bills too and got to bledsoe. Lavar just needs a little more time.

Hailyeah

10-21-2003, 12:06 PM

Lavar as the smartest player on the team is a big stretch. He's out of position too much. Its not like he's some raving lune out there that can't help but screw up as he's so fired up. Ray Lewis appears pretty juiced up on the football field to me yet is able to play smart, discipline ball out there. Lavar is clearly not at that elite level yet. As the team leader and one of the highest paid players, he should be making strides toward that top shelf of NFL players though.

LadyNRedskinsfan

10-21-2003, 04:39 PM

ok....edwards is now on my s*** list. he is crappy and needs to take control of his defense and stop letting the guys do it all themselves if they cant do it.

NCskinsfanatic

10-21-2003, 06:22 PM

We need a mean sob on D ala Buddy Ryan.Rhodes and Lewis were also very good in their 1st years.Edwards blooooows.Helton bloooows and we need proven guys while our college coach continues to learn.Spurrier can be successful these other guys need to be coaching for veteran coaches where they have teachers not where they are learning at the same rate or worse than the head coach.

roberro

10-22-2003, 01:29 AM

I just keep thinking back to the draft day when the Redskins were on the clock, and expected to select Arrington. They showed film clips of Penn State games where LA virtually, "launched", himself over the line of scrimmage to get to the QB/ball carrier, looking out the earhole of his helmet, and invariably making the play. I think, if you watch carefully, you can still see some of that dedication and desire. He has made some awesome tackles this year. My footbal prayer is that he does not seek employment elsewhere. With the loss of Stephen Davis, he IS our franchise player.