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GenMgr
01-11-2012, 06:46 PM
Sources: @RussellMania980, @john_keim, @sbnationdc

If Jeff Fisher goes to the Dolphins, expect Karl Dorell to take McCardell's spot. Shanahan has a previous relationship with him.

shally
01-11-2012, 07:17 PM
i guess Slowick goes somewhere, but there is duplication now with Morris, unless Slowick just gets the Safeties

Red Bear
01-11-2012, 08:02 PM
jacksons and mccardells contracts were set to expire i think, guess we just let them go earlier. its surprising jackson has lasted 3 head coaches. too bad for mccardell, i wanted him to succeed here. some asst coaches got contract extensions at the beginning of the season, was slowik one of them?

SkinsfaninNJ
01-11-2012, 09:46 PM
Am I crazy for thinking that our receivers had a pretty good season? Drops were not a huge problem as in past years. They block downfield well. They were getting open all the time, which indicates good route running.

Lavar703
01-11-2012, 10:05 PM
Am I crazy for thinking that our receivers had a pretty good season? Drops were not a huge problem as in past years. They block downfield well. They were getting open all the time, which indicates good route running.

Was thinking the same thing lol.

Nomad
01-11-2012, 10:51 PM
Am I crazy for thinking that our receivers had a pretty good season? Drops were not a huge problem as in past years. They block downfield well. They were getting open all the time, which indicates good route running.

None of young receivers developed well enough to start consistently. Not Austin, not Armstrong, not Paul, not Hankerson. The position been problem area years. Change needed.

shally
01-11-2012, 10:57 PM
None of young receivers developed well enough to start consistently. Not Austin, not Armstrong, not Paul, not Hankerson. The position been problem area years. Change needed.

+1

Change needed.. Also Henry Ellard got fired.. Maybe he gets a look ??

jaylen
01-11-2012, 11:57 PM
I think Mccardell getting fired is a ruse to bring in a coach to sorta hold hand Kyle without the media getting wind of it without actually firing Kyle.

I take these moves as pressure to change some stuff from Snyder or else the ax falls on everyone.

hail2skins
01-12-2012, 06:59 AM
None of young receivers developed well enough to start consistently. Not Austin, not Armstrong, not Paul, not Hankerson. The position been problem area years. Change needed.Well, as the Ole Fart indicated maybe it was those older receivers signed that took away precious playing experience for them. I don't think Keenan did a bad job at all considering how we shuffled receivers in and out. Maybe he had to be the fall guy.

bergiemoore
01-12-2012, 08:19 AM
Well, as the Ole Fart indicated maybe it was those older receivers signed that took away precious playing experience for them. I don't think Keenan did a bad job at all considering how we shuffled receivers in and out. Maybe he had to be the fall guy.

It's really hard to say how much McCardell had to do with the overall state of the wide receiving corps, but it is certainly clear that this area has been an issue for 2 years.

It's hard to separate WR play from QB play, but there certainly were an inordinate number of drops and some very sloppy route running by most of the receivers. How much is due to a lack of quality, and how much is coaching?

How much input does a position coach have in determining playing time? Is it possible that McCardel was responsible for keeping the young players on the bench in favor of guys like Stallworth, Gafney and Moss?

In any case, I wish McCardel well. I liked him as a player. Hopefully he gets on somewhere else.

Lavar703
01-12-2012, 08:32 AM
None of young receivers developed well enough to start consistently. Not Austin, not Armstrong, not Paul, not Hankerson. The position been problem area years. Change needed.

Hankerson is the most talented of the bunch and got injured immediately after he caught a pass to get himself over 100 yards receiving. Austin and Paul are late-round fliers that are going to be hit or miss and if you blame Keenan for not developing guys that were passed over again and again during the draft than I think we're going to be hard-pressed to find a guy that sticks around longer than a year. He was doing a fine job and it makes no sense whatsoever to punish a guy for doing a poor job but continue to leave Kyle in charge of the offense.

smave
01-12-2012, 08:35 AM
Sad to see McCardell get released. Happy to see Jackson go. I think that was a necessary move.

Hrabanmaur
01-12-2012, 08:56 AM
I liked McCardell as a player and as a person (at least how he came off in the public sphere), but I don't know that his coaching was superb. This was his first tour as a receivers coach, and if we judge the performance of our receivers since he's been here, the group has not been stellar. None of our younger players have progressed significantly, and you can even look at the disappointing play of Armstrong this year and see regression.

As for Jackson, it will be refreshing to see a different coach with our safeties. Landry's never performed to his potential, and none of our many later draft round picks on safety have panned out well (maybe that's the picking - maybe that's the coaching - maybe it's both). It was time to move on.

culpeper
01-12-2012, 09:25 AM
I think Mccardell getting fired is a ruse to bring in a coach to sorta hold hand Kyle without the media getting wind of it without actually firing Kyle.

I take these moves as pressure to change some stuff from Snyder or else the ax falls on everyone.

Why do you see all these things? Im not saying it isnt happening, but why isnt it just after two years its obvious they need to upgrade the coaching positions? McCardell was a rookie coach, and IDK if Jackson is any good or not, but with Morris coming available, maybe it was just a great opportunity to get great DB coach? Why is Snyder even in your post?

The thing I dont like is some "anonymous" players were quoted as saying "This is no surprise" and "This is just the tip of the iceberg". Thats not good. If you wanted to blame Snyder for creating a cesspool of an environment and it doesnt matter what coaches we bring in here, THEN I might entertain that as plausible.

hail2skins
01-12-2012, 09:28 AM
It's really hard to say how much McCardell had to do with the overall state of the wide receiving corps, but it is certainly clear that this area has been an issue for 2 years.

It's hard to separate WR play from QB play, but there certainly were an inordinate number of drops and some very sloppy route running by most of the receivers. How much is due to a lack of quality, and how much is coaching?

How much input does a position coach have in determining playing time? Is it possible that McCardel was responsible for keeping the young players on the bench in favor of guys like Stallworth, Gafney and Moss?

In any case, I wish McCardel well. I liked him as a player. Hopefully he gets on somewhere else.We must have seen some different things. I didn't see a lot of sloppy routes. There will be drops too. A position coach teaches and in some cases have input into who should be in on specific plays. Does Kyle have more power when it comes to the offense, sure he does and some of it could be his fault. I'm sure it wasn't Keenan who bought in those older receivers. As I said earlier, I believe the older receivers took precious time away from the young guys. They were shuffled in and out of games. I believe they should have stuck with the young guys for several games to see what they could do. Not the situational stuff they did with them.

I think Keenan did a good job with what he had to work with and should not have been the fall guy.

Red Bear
01-12-2012, 09:43 AM
I think Mccardell getting fired is a ruse to bring in a coach to sorta hold hand Kyle without the media getting wind of it without actually firing Kyle.

I take these moves as pressure to change some stuff from Snyder or else the ax falls on everyone.

i disagree. jackson and mccardells contracts were going to expire anyways. youre reading too much into it

BIGREDSKINSFAN1963
01-12-2012, 09:47 AM
my question is why was'nt our brilliant special teams coach on the list?
should'nt 5 blocked fgs in one season be grounds to being fired?

Dolla Bill
01-12-2012, 09:53 AM
The team was 5-11. No one should be safe.

silverspring
01-12-2012, 01:35 PM
We should be seeing more significant changes. Two horrible seasons merit more than a position coach losing his job.

flave1969
01-12-2012, 01:37 PM
We need a revolution in the coaching area and I hope we leave no stone unturned.

AustinSkin
01-12-2012, 02:02 PM
Is there an Offensive Coordinator available capable of engineering a high-octane, high scoring, up-tempo offense? That seems to be a popular formula for winning these days. Does Kyle have the chops to do this, and we're just missing the components to execute? Thoughts anyone?

bergiemoore
01-12-2012, 02:07 PM
We must have seen some different things. I didn't see a lot of sloppy routes. There will be drops too. A position coach teaches and in some cases have input into who should be in on specific plays. Does Kyle have more power when it comes to the offense, sure he does and some of it could be his fault. I'm sure it wasn't Keenan who bought in those older receivers. As I said earlier, I believe the older receivers took precious time away from the young guys. They were shuffled in and out of games. I believe they should have stuck with the young guys for several games to see what they could do. Not the situational stuff they did with them.

I think Keenan did a good job with what he had to work with and should not have been the fall guy.

Hankerson, in the first game where he got real playing time, looked lost and was responsible in part for a pick. Poor route running was a knock on Paul coming out of school. Moss also had some notable mistakes with his route running (and his professionalism, his hands, etc), and Armstrong couldn't get back on the field after his injury due to his inability to beat jams at the LOS.

The stated reason for bringing in Jabar Gafney was his ability to run precise routes, and he quickly became the go-to guy for Rex, especially after Moss' injury.

Again, WR production is very closely linked with QB production, and it's clear that that is not an area of strength on this team. I have no idea how much of all this is on McCardel, how much is on the QB and how much is just on the poor talent level at this position. After 2 years without any real production from this unit, I can understand why they decided to move on from that's unit's rookie coach.

I don't think it's scapegoating. If anyone were to be sacrificed for this seasons woes, it would make more sense for that person to be the QB coach.

Battle Cat
01-12-2012, 03:40 PM
Any position besides kicker that an organization only invests 1 2nd round pick. I think 1 4th round pick and then some 6th and 7 th round picks in the last what 6 years or so is not the position coaches fault if it doesn't produce.

silverspring
01-12-2012, 03:49 PM
Any position besides kicker that an organization only invests 1 2nd round pick. I think 1 4th round pick and then some 6th and 7 th round picks in the last what 6 years or so is not the position coaches fault if it doesn't produce.

Interesting point of view. At safety we have tons of talent and have invested in tons over the years. On hand this year was Landry who was a first round pick and Atogwe, who might not be a top pick, but he was suppose to be top talent.

At WR your point of a talent hole makes sense but we have invested picks and money. We invested 2 2nd round picks in for thomas and kelly and hankerson was a 3rd round pick. We paid moss a lot. Shanahan used 4 picks on WR last year.

Battle Cat
01-12-2012, 04:27 PM
Interesting point of view. At safety we have tons of talent and have invested in tons over the years. On hand this year was Landry who was a first round pick and Atogwe, who might not be a top pick, but he was suppose to be top talent.

At WR your point of a talent hole makes sense but we have invested picks and money. We invested 2 2nd round picks in for thomas and kelly and hankerson was a 3rd round pick. We paid moss a lot. Shanahan used 4 picks on WR last year.

I almost forgot about Malcolm Kelly. And what you say is true I did not realize how much we put into the position. But I don't think any coach could have done anything with Malcolm Kelly and the Giants have wr's out of the rear end and have not been able to get Thomas to do anything. I blame those more on general manager than position coach.

The safety issue was caused totally by the tragic loss of Taylor. He would be probably in his prime right now.

I look at the wr situation more like our d line a few years back. We never got any pressure or got any sacks. We invest in Orakpo and Kerrigan and all of a sudden we have a pass rush. Which maybe an over simplification but I just didnt expect Hankerson to do allot as a rookie and I thought Paul would make practice squad. I always looked at Austin and Banks and Armstrong as fliers. I think they have all did pretty well from where they began. It seems like people were expecting to much ou tof Paul, Hankerson, Armstrong and Banks. But Thomas and Kelly complete busts no if and or buts about it.

BIGREDSKINSFAN1963
01-12-2012, 05:15 PM
The safety issue was caused totally by the tragic loss of Taylor. He would be probably in his prime right now.

we lost ST nearly 5 years and 3 coaches ago.This is beyond that!

hail2skins
01-12-2012, 05:29 PM
Hankerson, in the first game where he got real playing time, looked lost and was responsible in part for a pick. Poor route running was a knock on Paul coming out of school. Moss also had some notable mistakes with his route running (and his professionalism, his hands, etc), and Armstrong couldn't get back on the field after his injury due to his inability to beat jams at the LOS.

The stated reason for bringing in Jabar Gafney was his ability to run precise routes, and he quickly became the go-to guy for Rex, especially after Moss' injury.

Again, WR production is very closely linked with QB production, and it's clear that that is not an area of strength on this team. I have no idea how much of all this is on McCardel, how much is on the QB and how much is just on the poor talent level at this position. After 2 years without any real production from this unit, I can understand why they decided to move on from that's unit's rookie coach.

I don't think it's scapegoating. If anyone were to be sacrificed for this seasons woes, it would make more sense for that person to be the QB coach.You're linking QB play and WR play. Gotcha. Who was our QB again? A QB that threw how many interceptions directly into the hands of LB's and into double and even triple coverage.

You mention Hank's first game, what about his last game when he got injured? Was there improvement there? I don't think we've seen enough of Paul to make a determination just like the rest of the young guys. They didn't get a chance to get into the rhythm of the game because he kept putting sleepers in there.

Battle Cat
01-13-2012, 03:07 PM
we lost ST nearly 5 years and 3 coaches ago.This is beyond that!

We lost Taylor under Gibbs and 3 coaches in Washington is not a very long time. Sean Taylor was less than a year older than Laron Landry. He would have been 28 next season. If you draft any player that high you expext them to be part of your organization allot longer than we had Sean. I didn't expect them after using two top 10 picks on safeties to go back and pick another. Even with the unusual circumstances.