Patrick Ramsey

[RichardBradley]

He is not ready please get Werefull back here ...

[NamVet4]

He is not ready ! Damn, he is only a 2nd yr QB, that after this game gets my vote for having heart, guts, and the internal fortitude to go back in and try and win the game.!!!!!!!!

[Ford]

Rich ... all I have to say is ... Danny Wuerffel????

[Emmanouel8]

I sort of agree w/ Bradley. He's tough enough but he just holds on way too long w/ the protection we're given him. Hasselback didn't need anytime to know how much time he needed to get rid of it!

[Smiley]

IF you think Wuerfell can help this team win you have lost you cotton pickin' mind. Joe Montana couldn't help this team. I'm so tired of this season already. I hope SS quits, take George Edwards with ya'. Get rid of all tehse expensive players and rebuild from the ground up.

[RichardBradley]

Ramsey holds on to the ball way to long and has no close to the grasp of this offense that Werefull has...

[hail2skins]

The routes our receivers run required Ramsey to hold the ball. Spurrier sends people on deep routes all the time. He needs to shorten the routes or provide the QB with more time. Yes there are dumpoff passes but we know Spurrier doesn't like them.

[NamVet4]

Again, he is a 2nd yr QB in a system that sucks! The Head Coach and Offense Coordinator haven't got a clue how to use his talents and protect him. When he has the time and the scheme executes, you get results. Danny Wuerfel.......... I won't comment.

[RichardBradley]

When a play is called for a QB to run a three step drop and get rid of the ball and the safety get to the qb 1st then the qb is at fault... How many times did this happen today. I don't care how tough he is if he is that slow the he needs to go....

[GolfFreak]

I totally disagree ... Ramsey IS ready!!! But the system he's in sucks ass.

[NamVet4]

O.K., Richard, suppose your assumption that he is slow is correct........Who the devil are you going to get now. Danny Wuerfell has told the organization: NO!....
You think the FO would like to talk withthe Vikings and have Gus Ferrotte back?

[hamptonskinsfan]

Originally posted by benjamce
I totally disagree ... Ramsey IS ready!!! But the system he's in sucks ass.
i agree. Ramsey has shown poise and heart. the only thing that hinders him is in SS offense, you audible alot and that is not gonna cut it in the NFL. PERIOD. an audible is an occasional thing not every F@#king down.

[LavarLeap2003]

what did hassleback do? i was at work and tried to watch it

[PennSkinsFan]

Ramsey will be a helluva QB. Poise, grat mind, excelletn arm. I agree, horrible system. I would have loved to seen this kid on the Gibbs offense.

[RedskinRyan]

2/3 for 20 yards(hasselbeck)

i think that ramsey is going to be a phenomenal qb, but is stuck in a bad system

[RichardBradley]

Unfortuantly this is our system and it isn't gonna change for another 2 or 3 years... So what do you geniuses propose

[rskinsfan10]

Hasselbeck did seem to get rid of the ball alot quicker then Ramsey did in the little time that he was in there.

[hail2skins]

I don't think anyone is claiming to be a genius in reference to our system. Some just feel that Spurrier could do more to protect him.

[skins74]

Ramsey has lost some confidence. He shouldn't have any in the line thats for sure. I see a problem with the entire team. They seem to give up quite easily. The defensive line has to be the worst in the league. Back to Ramsey, he is holding the ball to long, he is telegraphing his passes, he is not looking for the blitz after he snaps the ball. He has alot of heart, guts and he can throw the football. But if SS keeps calling the same plays Ramsey might get mamed.

[RichardBradley]

The Cowboys were jumping Ramseys screen passes and that isn't the lines fault he almost threw the ball to Roy Williams 3 times.. If Ramsey is scared than he should throw the ball away he is starting to look like Brock Berlin....

[NamVet4]

Originally posted by RichardBradley
Unfortuantly this is our system and it isn't gonna change for another 2 or 3 years... So what do you geniuses propose

Simplify the offensive scheme.
Revamp the O line – possibly as PennSkinsFan suggested.
Utilize the speed we saw with Patrick Johnson.
Limit the audibles.
Continue with the RB by committee (I know I said I hate it!)

Change the blitz package.
Become aggressive on every defensive play, hell we're getting burned now without any aggression being shown.


All these ideas are plagerized from other good posts today.

[GhostRider68]

This system blows goat!

[hail2skins]

I just watched several the 1st half of the game again. Ramsey's 3 sacks were not his fault in my opinion. He was blind-sided when he tried to throw a short pass and the receiver wasn't there. On the 3rd sack, the Cowpukes had 11 men in the box. Both safeties were on the line. Ramsey took a 7 step drop and was supposed to him Bryan Johnson on the right side of the field. Well, BJ was held up at the line because of the all out blitz and Rocks man beat him to get to Ramsey. I don't see any of those as Ramsey's fault. It would have helped if our center would have blocked someone on that play as well.

[rskinsfan10]

The 3rd one I believe was Roy Williams coming slightly from his left. I blame that on Ramsey because he should have seen him coming and thrown it away IMO. He probably would have still been popped, but the loss of yardage would have been erased.

[Skins57]

And I saw one where the Rb played the play action too long and could not get to the blitzer in time

[hail2skins]

Actually I believe he was hit from the back while he was looking right for bJ. I'll check my tape again.

[Emmanouel8]

RichardBradley God bless you I COMPLETELY AGREE! All you had to do was watch Hasselback get rid of it to validate it. Ramsey has to protect himself too.

Also Spurrier has check downs and does have WRs run short routes. Ramsey just looks down field waiting to get nailed.

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
The 3rd one I believe was Roy Williams coming slightly from his left. I blame that on Ramsey because he should have seen him coming and thrown it away IMO. He probably would have still been popped, but the loss of yardage would have been erased.

Yes Kenny it was the 4th sack where Williams came from his left to get him. I blame Rock and Ramsey for that one. Rock missed picking up the blitz but Ramsey should have seen it or felt the pressure.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by hail2skins
Yes Kenny it was the 4th sack where Williams came from his left to get him. I blame Rock and Ramsey for that one. Rock missed picking up the blitz but Ramsey should have seen it or felt the pressure.

I stand corrected then. I thought that was the 3rd sack.

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Hasselbeck did seem to get rid of the ball alot quicker then Ramsey did in the little time that he was in there.

Perhaps he values his life more?

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Perhaps the defense didn't expect a pass with a brand-new QB in there.

Anyway, today is the first day that I really fault Ramsey for anything at all. I think he held the ball too long on several occasions, and he audibles based on reading the defense pre-snap when that's pretty much pointless. If a defense isn't disguising itself pre-snap it's not doing its job.

[NCskinsfanatic]

You gotta be kidding me right?Ramsey is a very good qb.In a system that has failed miserably in the NFL.Ramsey IMO is as talented as any qb chosen last year.We currently have no rb,Ramsey is only in the second year of a complex passing offense.three of the same lineman blocked in this system last year. They did better without any guards and a 3rd string qb carousel.SS team does not believe in him,our owner has yet to learn what even JJ has in Dallas,the line(as stated in the game by the announcers)doesnt even attempt to help Ramsey up.They take no pride in keeping their qb upright.Hasselbach got rid of the ball quicker yes.Does this make him a better qb?Not IMO.We would all be trashing him in two games if he were named the starter.We will not get better until we find a healthy running game(see carolina's)balanced with a deep threat connection ala ramsey to coles.We have the talent here although I'd prefer a SD type back myself.And I'm talking offense only here.The D-line lacks talent and pass rushing skills.russell could be a good start but he'll leave like Gardener after the season.We may not win 6 games,this is not pessimisim on my part.In 24 years of pulling for this team I have never felt like the game was over after halftime time after time.But these guys know what we know,they arent getting it done.the O is worse than last year and the D line has not got the talent to shut people down anymore.But i say again this is not Ramsey's fault.troy aikmen,joe montana,Jim Kelly,etc.,etc.,would look no better than ramsey in their second year under a SS offense.I was all for his signing once we axed Marty.But this isnt working out.They put in their backup D-line against us in the beginning of the 4th quater.Ask the other teams around the league what the problem is?I bet very few would say it's ramsey.we need a coach.Ask the cowboys and bucs if a good coach matters.did quincy look this good last year?They dont even have a real RB in dallas and they had well over 100 yds rushing in the 3rd quater.they turned the ball over and still new the game was over in the 3rd.

[bosshog001]

If SS hated Rob Johnson so much, he should have kept him and subjected him to that awful line and the criminal pounding that Ramsey is taking!!!

Letting him go was too easy. He was obligated, Wuerful was smart.

[PennSkinsFan]

yeah i think ti is a mixture. Hasselbeck, if he woudl have stayed in woudl have been killed as well. They did not expect him to throw and he got rid of it quickly, i agree, because he knows by the time he takes the snap inthe Spurrier system, he has approximately 2.3225445631545651222264646 second ot get rid of the ball, or he will have broken fingers as well.

IMO, Danny Wuerffel proved that teh University of Florida does provide an intelligent education in decision making.

[Emmanouel8]

The point is Hasselback found success making the quick throw. The other point me and RB are making but seems to be lost w/ such an insult as to benching Ramsey for the sake of getting the message across, is IF RAMSEY DOES AS MUCH HE WILL BE ALMOST COMPLETE AND MORE SUCCESSFUL!!

Make it happen, don't wait for it to happen and for God sakes protect yourself (Ramsey) b/c nobody else is.

[Emmanouel8]

They did not expect us to throw is no excuse. We were down to 2 RB's and they were up 2 TD's and Spurrier is calling the plays!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Yeah, but I didn't expect us to throw either after what Spurrier called whenever Johnson was in.

[IowaSkinsFan]

If Patrick Ramsey can barely finish a game behind this O line, which he hasn't done the last 3, how in the hell do you expect Wuerffel to survive? He is nowhere near as tough as Ramsey.

It's no big mystery why he didn't come back, he saw how Ramsey was getting killed. Who would want part of that?

[GoingDeep]

Anyone else notice that not a single linemen was going back and helping the Ram up !!! What gives?

[Patrick]

Patrick Ramsey should go .. GMAFB!!!!!~~ You guys are "ON" some better SH*T than we even had in Nam!!!!!
Hasselback got the ball off on a short yardage play that was designed for him. BFD!!!! ............ MAYBE the game plan should include more of those types of play - YA THINK???!

Ramsey should go......... NOW THAT'S FUNNY!

[RichardBradley]

I was visiting my grandmother and watched the game at her house and she even said the QB is slow he looks for the D-line more than he looks upfield.

[Emmanouel8]

Forget it RichardB, it's like reasoning w/ an angry mob.

[PennSkinsFan]

Flawed system, not a flawed QB. I guess we are to expect, since this is Spurrier';s system for Ramsey to do one fo ttwo things:

1. Throw the quick screen that net us two yards. Because we want Patrick to be quick :rolleyes:

or

2. Throw it out of bounds and get rid of it so we can go three and out and Ramsey canhave a completion % of like, umm, 20% :rolleyes:


Say what you want, but in any other system, Ramsey would be developing just fine. He continues to get kudos from nearly every broadcast and news staion i see. Usually the media would love to bash anything an everythign aboutthe Redskins, but they see what most of us see in ramsey. A strong smart kid with alot of talent and heart stuck in a system that was built for Vanderbilt, but figured out by NFL defensive coordinators.

Don't thinmk that Spurrier does not know it either. His system is built on ,long passes, yet we barely tried any, and it is because he knows damn well that Patrick will never have the time to wait on a deep pattern. He knows it. Thats why you did nto see SS return to hsi "explosive" Fun N Gun

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Emmanouel8
Forget it RichardB, it's like reasoning w/ an angry mob.


You know, other than concerns for his general health (survial), there was not one "Football Expert" out there was saying Ramsey's need be bench. In fact I kind of got the feeling for the FOX crew doing the game and back in the studio - they like the way Patrick is developing. ...... And Sonny, although he agree's with you about holding the ball too long (at times), didn't memtion anything about benching Patrick (would help). ....... I just don't see it.

[REDMAN]

Ramsey is a tough as nails qb who I hope is our leader for a long time. but he is just as much at fault as the o-line or backs on occasion. some times he misses reads and other times he holds it to long. I think with all the hits he is a little gun shy. on some plays I looked at again, Ram had open guys and a little time to throw it but did not see them running free. I hope he can stay healthy because he is all we have.

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by REDMAN
Ramsey is a tough as nails qb who I hope is our leader for a long time. but he is just as much at fault as the o-line or backs on occasion. some times he misses reads and other times he holds it to long. I think with all the hits he is a little gun shy. on some plays I looked at again, Ram had open guys and a little time to throw it but did not see them running free. I hope he can stay healthy because he is all we have.

I saw several plays where receivers where running open and Ramsey was trying to hit them but they weren't expecting tha ball.

[PennSkinsFan]

Bottom line, the offense its totally out of whack, and there is only one person to balme for that

[Emmanouel8]

Why is it one person?

[hail2skins]

It's both but Spurrier is ultimately accountable for the team him being the coach and all.

[PennSkinsFan]

It isn't E8, i never intened it to be one person. BUT for God sakes, Steve Spurrier is the HEAD Coach. He looks confused, he looks lost, he is incapable of adjusting.

I think Riggins statement about Spurriers hits the nail right on the head when he likens him to Columbus getting off a the ship and saying, where are we? This ia a different world, and he is lost. Are ther eplayers that are responsible as well? of Course, but this is Steve Spurrier's offense, and it is more inept than last season, with upgraded talent. Thats a major problem. The offense is too readable. Can you honestly say watchting the ganme that you do not know when a run or pass is coming.?