One of the worst calls ever

[akhhorus]

I dont know how they said Davis was in, he CLEARLY was still outside. I dont know how the replay was 'inconclusive'. And interestingly, there have been three teams already that have recieved apologies after playing Carolina regarding the calls: Tampa, Indy and New Orleans. Makes you wonder.... The Panthers remind me of Chicago of a couple years ago when they went 13-3 thanks to a bunch of close games. Carolina will be 5-11 , 6-10 next year.

[warpath]

Didn't matter we should have held them on that 4th down. Although we had plenty of opportunities throughout to win this game. He didn't look like he made it to me either but it would still have been third down with Carolina retaining the ball

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Right now, I won't disagree with you at all about the Carolina-Chicago comparison. Both teams severely overachieved one year then fell back down to earth the next.

I'm glad it was called a touchdown. Do you think we could have stopped Davis twice from the one-inch line? Neither do I. They just would have used up more time before scoring.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't know, Carolina is clearly much better off at the RB and QB positions than those 13-3 Bears of 2 years ago. I think they are for real and will get better.

[Skaggsboy]

well i think it was pretty inconclusive evidence however i do think it was a lousy call because youve got to give the call for the fumble so it could be overturned for a td. even if the ref had overturned the td the skins couldnt have gotten the ball back. the panthers only had to get an inch so the only difference would have been that the skins would have had less time to come back after the panthers scored.

[Skinsfan]

The refs were putting too much emphasis on "clear evidence" for overturning plays in general. If it looks like you made the wrong call after watching the replay, then overturn the call. There shouldn't have to be some ridiculously obvious contradiction to change the call; if it looks like you were wrong, then make the change. The first call was made that way in the first place, why hold the replay to a double-standard?

[RedskinsDave]

No, the ball would've been ours. There was no whistle blown. Those announcers are morons.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

No, the ball would have been Carolina's. It was either a touchdown or Carolina's ball on the one inch line. The announcers were right.

[warpath]

I thought since they alled touhdown they could only review if it was a TD or not, I'd didn't think we had a shot a getting possesion:confused: I'd be really upset if the ball would have been ours.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

We didn't have a shot at gaining posession.

[RedskinsDave]

That makes no sense. The play was not dead unless they would've just found another way to stick it to us.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

The play was dead. As soon as the ref rules that it's a touchdown, the ruling on the field is that the ball was dead when it broke the plane of the goal line. It doesn't matter if he blew the whistle late, there's an implied whistle for the touchdown.

[RedskinsDave]

No, by that logic any time a ball is reviewed at the goal the only options are TD or ball on the one inch line. That's not the case. Implied whistle? That's a new one.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

No, by that logic any time a ball is reviewed at the goal the only options are TD or ball on the one inch line.

Exactly. Those are the only two things that could have happened.

And, yes, implied whistle. Laugh if you feel like it, but that's how it works. Look it up if you don't believe me. The play was dead at the goal line.

[RedskinsDave]

He's not in, he's not down, the play isn't over, it's a fumble.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

*sigh* No. Look it up. The play is over once it's ruled a touchdown. If there's a challenge, it's whether the ball broke the plane of the goal or not. If it didn't, we can't get the ball because the play is dead as soon as a touchdown is ruled, therefore anything after that ruling is void.
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It's the same thing with fumbles. If a player fumbles and hits the ground but the ref blows the whistle, he's down. They can review and say he lost the ball earlier and change the spot by a yard or two, but it won't change posession.

[dj_stouty]

Let's not forget how they got down to the goal line...

It was becuase Champ couldn't cover his man...when Delhomme connected with S. Smith for a 30 yard gain to the 7 yard line.

Once again...I'm getting sick of Champ giving up gamebreaking 30 yard catches. The best at their position make the game saving plays when needed...and CHamp failed. Period.

[RedskinsDave]

I just cannot understand why Champ NEVER turns around on those plays. If he would just take a glance, he'd probably pick off those plays he gets burnt on.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by RedskinsDave
I just cannot understand why Champ NEVER turns around on those plays.

Because he is proabably too busy counting "his money" in his head during the play.

[Skaggsrules]

On Davis's play, the play should not hav been called a touch down and the ref should not hav signaled till he was sure Davis broke the plane, the ref signaled to early and if saved Davis from a huge embarassment

[Patrick]

They should have never been in that position if we'd been playing tighter in the backfield.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by Skaggsrules
On Davis's play, the play should not hav been called a touch down and the ref should not hav signaled till he was sure Davis broke the plane, the ref signaled to early and if saved Davis from a huge embarassment

Actually, the ref signalled late. He didn't make any sign until after the ball was already out of Davis' hands.

Look, everyone needs to face it on this play. Davis scored a touchdown. Period. Did the ball break the plane of the goal line? Honestly, from a completely objective standpoint, I think it barely did. Maybe some of you don't. Fine. But it was iffy at best, and the call on the field was perfectly legit. If you want a bogus call, try the "pass interference" on DMC on our final touchdown drive. Awful call. Terrible. I couldn't even celebrate it because it was so cheap. Don't actl ike this game was robbed from us by the refs. We had every opportunity to win, including a little officiating help when necessary.

[Smiley]

It was a fumble

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
If you want a bogus call, try the "pass interference" on DMC on our final touchdown drive. Awful call. Terrible. I couldn't even celebrate it because it was so cheap. Don't actl ike this game was robbed from us by the refs. We had every opportunity to win, including a little officiating help when necessary.

How was that bogus? The guy ran in front of DMC and stopped? Forcing DMC to run into him. That's Pass Interference. As for some missed calls? Push off on Smoot causing him to run farther down field and allow a big catch to set up a score to take the lead. Then on the Panthers final drive. The obvious Push-Off to get seperation from Champ. That's the reason Champ wasn't looking, he had to get back to the reciever. They showed it, and commented on it. In their opinion and mine, there were push-offs they got away with on both long passes. At the same time, that's no excuse. We put ourselves in the postion to let the referees decide the winner. All those TO's and 3 points? We've got to get Points off of TO's. Plain and simple. Did we get cheated? Probably, is it our fault we were in that position? Most Definitly.

[PennSkinsFan]

He did not fumble, he was down. The question was, did the ball cross the line? Who cares. He would have pounded it in next play anyway. It was not a fumble.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Sonny and Sam were arguing about the Pass interference call on McCants as well. It was weird to hear 2 Redskin anouncers arguing about a call the benefitted the Redskins.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
He did not fumble, he was down.

No. If he was down...then the play would have been blown dead before he started making his second efforts to push the ball of the white stripe. If he was down...it would have been 3rd and inches on the goalline.

Since the ref didn't blow the play dead...it was a live ball when Bowen knocked it loose. Assuming the ref had waited a second to call a close goalline TD, we would have had possession on the 4.

But alas...the ref did believe the ball crossed the plain.

Ironically, it seemed to be in the EXACT same location as the Rock fumble. (Same side of the field too, I believe)

[TexSkin]

You guys need to lay off poor Champ. our D line stinks and Champ can't cover his guy forever. Teams with good D lines make up for bad secondaries. Our secondary is our strength but even they can't cover forever.

[RedskinsDave]

Yeah dj, Rock got as far into the end zone as Davis but somehow the network never showed a goalline view of Rock's fumble. Coincidence, I think not.

[LuvSkins17]

Originally posted by RedskinsDave
He's not in, he's not down, the play isn't over, it's a fumble.

I feel your pain Dave. I accepted it on yesterday myself. Kinda hurt like the ground causing the incomplete pass by Coles after he took 3 steps with the ball and fell out of bounds. (I even forgot which game it was...).

We have to keep the refs out of the games and we won't have anything to worry about. We have to make less mistakes and stop wishing for a gimmie or "Da Hook-Up".

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[baralufficus]

My take on the Davis fumble is simple .....When he got to the goal-line, he was stuffed and it seemed like his body shifted and one or both knees went down before he struggled to get the ball in ....

I did not think the ball ever inched across the line ....But it was real close ...What confuses me is, how come one Ref can go to the spot of the fumble , and then another ref can call a TD......Do certain refs have senority when making a call??....Cause the other Ref was signaling that Davis' knee went down ...3 refs with 3 different calls ...It just so happened that the one that determined the game was the one that stuck .....

And i think had the refs made the right call ....The Skins would have stuffed Davis on the very next play...Hell , who knows the Panthers might have False started or committed a penalty on the next play ....the game should not have came down to that situation anyways , to be honest ....

Champ needs to start making them big plays , instead of letting big plays happen on him ..

Go Skins ~

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Yeah, Bara, some refs can override others.

[RedskinsDave]

Also, at the goalline, the line judge makes the call. I've seen a running back go through the middle and the back judge can clearly see he's in but he waits for a line judge to make the call.