This Team Sucks!!!!!!!

[ramsey11]

you guys can take off your burgundy and gold colored glasses, because this team SUCKS!!! I thought things would never get this bad but it has they are worse than the bengals. We are the new bengals of the NFL. This team is the laughing stock of the league and who should you thank for that Mr. Snyder you say he has'nt done that bad in the last couple of years well i disagree he run the last good team we had out of town you know the 99 team the LAST time the redskins went to the playoffs. People say that he's a good business man and that may be true, but as the owner of the Washington Redskins he's a failure he knows nothing about football. Lets talk about the draft did or did we not need d-linemen if so than why in the hell did we take a wr. in the 2nd rd? what good as taylor jacobs been forus this season? thats what i thought. No matter who the coach is or who's on the field as long as snyder owns this team they will always be LOSSERS!!!! The first chance lavar arrington and champ bailey get they should get out of town they are wasting there carreer with the redskins Stephen Davis went to a 1-15 football team who is now 8-2 do you really think he has any regrets about being a redskin.

[TexSkin]

Na they hung tough today..The D played awsome we just need to fix the O. Remember Ramsey is essentially a Rookie. He is doing pretty good imo.

[SkinsFan#1]

I can see why the anger (I'm with you on this team, more so with the talent on paper anyways we have) but I wouldn't say they suck, it just seems like when we take 1 step forward to improving we seemly take 2 steps backwards the next, no consistency from this group of guys what-so-ever IMHO on offense or defense.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I wouldn't be particularly angry about today. Hell, we were up by 4 in the fourth quarter. The D couldn't stop them.

And for the record, Tex, I don't know what game you were watching, but to me it looked like the defense was atrocious.

[RedskinsDave]

The defense got a bunch of turnovers and gave up only 13 points realistically. How is that atrocious?

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Only gave up 13? How do you figure that? It gave up 20, and it should have been more. Only one of those turnovers was forced. The rest were gimmes that bounced out of their receivers' hands.

[RedskinsDave]

Should've been more? Based on what? Unless you are the only person with eyes who think Davis was in, they only gave up 13.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Oh Lord... So the fact that they let Carolina drive all that way accounts for nothing? And I guess you assume that Davis couldn't have gotten it into the end zone with two carries from the one-inch line.

[RedskinsDave]

No, he fumbled. Just because the refs screwed up the call doesn't change that fact.

[ramsey11]

i agree about the ramsey coment and the coment about the D to a point i thought they did a good job slowing davis down but when the panthers neeeded a big play the D couldnt stop them. It just really pisses me off when i look around the league and you see John Fox 2nd year coach 8-2 BP who has taken a team that has finished 5-11 3 straight years and they are 7-2 an the worse of them all the bengals with 1st year coach Marvin Lewis they are leading there division and they beat the undefeated chiefs today. All im sayin is with the talent we have there is no excuses for being 4-6 Last season it was the o-line well the o-line this season is no better sure they had a good game last week and they played okay today but this line should'nt have been that bad to start with... and Every off season its the same old thing we will bring in a ton of fa's with the same results.. wake up snyder you cant build a team through free agency...

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I'm not gonna get into this argument in this thread, too. You're giving the D credit for a call that never happened, but not taking away credit for the fact that they only caused one of the turnovers they got, or for the fact that they allowed the Carolina Panthers 400+ yards of offense.

[NCskinsfanatic]

The D played better against the run than i thought they would,we got only a little push from the D and bailey played below his abilities.MM is a good WR,just not as good as he looked today but on one of their last drives he did get away with a big push off.I'm pleased w/the play versus their play against the bills,cowboys or bucs.We didnt get it done early on O,run rock,settle PR down and we win regardless of the D breakdown at the end.

[RedskinsDave]

You want to take away actual turnovers because they didn't cause them but aren't willing to give them one the refs took away that they did cause. I don't care how they got them, they got them and the offense has done nothing all year long with them. I believe they average one point per turnover this year.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

No one can tell about that last drive. Did the ball break the goal line? Who knows? It was so close, so very infintesimally close, that no one I was watching with could tell, and neither could the announcers. Maybe they caused a fumble, maybe they didn't. But Carolina lit the defense up all day, and the only reason they didn't top 30 points on us is because their receivers need some stick-em.

[frankez99]

427 Panthers offensive yards (net) - 187 Redskins offensive yards (net) = 240 yards advantage to the Panthers which in turn = REDSKINS DEF DID NOT DO IT'S JOB TODAY. How do you allow Mushin Muhammed 189 rec yards when he only had 298 all season. Mushin Muhammed! Damn....stop tip-toeing around the fact that our DEF let us down today. 4th and 2 and Big Country rumbles 25 yards on a rb pass.....damn....it is so F-ing heartbreaking. Hail to the Redskins

[frankez99]

And oh yeah...on a side note....lets just hope SD has a big game next week against the Cowboys....

[PennSkinsFan]

I not gonna say the Redskins suck. They hung with a 7-3 team. The problem is not the defense. What do you expect from a defense that spends most oif it's time ont he field because of three and outs. The blame today is the offens.e The D got us four turnovers! 4!!!!!! Yet the offense coudl not convert. What more do you want?

[frankez99]

Hey....our D had as many opportunities to hold the Panthers to 3 and outs as their D did to us. The excuse that they were on the field as long as they were was just as much our D's fault as much as our O. Simple equation: if you stop their Offensive from getting first downs then you won't spend as much time on the field. 20, 30, and 40 yard yeilds to their offense does not help our D's arguement.

[dj_stouty]

The defense gave up over 300 yards in the air. You guys think that is acceptable?

We are supposed to excel at stopping the pass....yet we allowed Jake Delhomme to throw at will against us...including the 30 yard pass on CHamp to set up the winning TD.

[frankez99]

And also, the Redskins DO NOT suck

[Patrick]

You want to know how Mushin get all those yards, because we have the greatest cover CBs in the league. IMO, this was the worse defensive backfield game all year. Patrick had a poor game, recievers were hot/cold, and get Trung of this fu#king team. John Hall, missed one that he shouldn't. .... When you add it all up, what's the difference 3 points or 30, it's still a lose.

[luciusism]

SS is Nov Turner part 2. I just hope we don't have to wait half a decade before he goes back to college football.

[PennSkinsFan]

Ok, here are my thoughts. Redskisn defense played pretty well. Bottom line, three and outs wears down a defense and that is what happened. There was a mix up in the pass defense. Not sure who was on Muhammed, but he killed us. I was bit surprise at the run defense, I though davis woudl kill us and he did not.

The offense? Totally inept. Lack of a running game is killing this offense. I am not ready to admit that letting Stephen Davis goes will prove to be the achilles heel of this offense. We have no threat in the backfield and EVERY defense knows it.

The play calling was not that great. Balance was lost.

I don't understand, i simply can not understand, and I will not understand the obsession this team has with Trung Canidate. Kind of like the damn Wuerffel obsession. Get over it, TRUNG sucks!

[SkinsFan#1]

the obsession this team has with Trung Canidate


I think his speed blinds people into thinking he is a player, (he's not I agree) he goes down at the smallest amount of contact from the defender and his speed is doing him no good., speed is good but it needs to break into the open to be used correctly and he can't seem to be able to do that.

[SkinsCT]

We don't stink. Carolina is a very good team, I believe they are going to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl, expecially if they get home field. We played ok, not great, well enough to win, and to place a label on this team of "sucking" is a bit too far. Also, saying that we are the new Bengals of the NFL and that we are a "laughing stock" is asinine and false. We are one of the proudest franchise's in sports and this downtime we are experiencing right now does not alter that whatsoever. Are the Raiders, Jets, Bills, Chargers, or even the Giants a joke because they are not realizing their expectations?

I realize that tensions are running high after this year has gone down the drain, and letting the beers one had during the game cloud his or her judgement is the right of every fan, but stop and think about how we hung with a excellent team before just looking at the L we garnered.

[skins74]

Give us a GM, new coaching staff and a good D-line and we will be fine.

[LavarLeap2003]

i think trung messed us up...we basically had 3 downs...if trung didnt fall down after one yard or at the line of scrimmage then hell, put me in there, i can get more then just one.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Carolina is overachieving. I have not and will not buy into this team as a legit Super Bowl contender. Sorry for you believers out there.

Trung is trash. He's nice to throw screens to. That's about it. Rock looks like Priest Holmes compared to him.

[Patrick]

Trung = speed? My ass!!!! Trung has shown No Speed. I be willing to bet that if you had Trung and Rock run the 40, there would be less than 0.1 second difference between the two. He is a bust (and that happens) - so get rid of him regardless of the cost becauce he is costing us more right now.

[NamVet4]

Trung Canidate is a failure so far. But the embarrasment of the failure is totally on the coaching staff. Rock Cartwright needs to be the starting TB/RB.
Why can't they see that?

[PennSkinsFan]

You can't lay this on the defense. YES they gave up that yardage, YES they spent most of the time on the field, BUT THEY also forced 4 TURNOVERS and our OFFENSE converted all 4 for ONLY 3 points. That tells me the OFFENSE is to BLAME! 4 Trunovers + 3 Points = LOSS

[IowaSkinsFan]

While this team definately has room to improve, I don't think they suck by any means. We took a team that could very likely be a conference finalist this year to the limit on their turf, and we were 3 big play away from winning this game outright.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
That tells me the OFFENSE is to BLAME!

Both sides of the ball are to blame.

The best part of our defense (the pass D) gave up over 350 yards in the air. I congratulate them on containing Stephen Davis better than I expected them too.

Our Offense fizzled in the 1st half...but you gotta like the adjustments made that allowed them to put up all those 4th quarter points.

Bottom line...Both sides of the ball were contributing factors to the loss. Neither side deserves the loss more than the other.

[TexSkin]

I honestly think we are a good coach away from being a team that can hang with anyone. A few decent D linmen would not hurt as well. ;)

[Spence]

The defense did a great job with turnovers yesterday. Almost everything the Panthers dropped the Redskins jumped on and the defenders did a great job advancing the ball after the turnover. Davis was held under 100 yards and did NOT win the game for the Panthers. All in all, I was pleased with the defensive effort. There were a few plays that bothered me [especially the broken play TD run by Delhomme] but all in all it was a solid effort. I'm not too interested in how many yards they gave up, but in how many opportunities they gave the offense to win the game.

Three points off four turnovers. That's the game right there. That's why we lost to Dallas and that's why we lost to Carolina.

[Skinzaholic]

Either way... this loss will look the same as every other loss. The media will have a hayday... and we will all suffer.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by ramsey11
Stephen Davis went to a 1-15 football team who is now 8-2 do you really think he has any regrets about being a redskin.

Actually, the panthers were 7-9 last year, just like we were.

[ramsey11]

Ol'BALLCOACH,

What makes us the laughing stock of the nfl is this we have only been to the playoffs one time since the Joe Gibbs era. We have more player turnover in the league year in and year out then any other team in the nfl and the fact that we have so much talent on this team and we are 4-6 and bill parcels has the cowboys who finished 5-11 three straight seasons 7-3 with the same group of guys. and marvin lewis a 1st year headcoah as the bengals at 5-5 when is the last time they have one more than 5 games in a season? that is why the redskins are the laughing stock of the league. You talk about being a proud franchise well that was true at one time but they sure as hell dont play like it.. good teams win close games....

[ramsey11]

green is good
my bad i was just upset over the game and missed that one but i still think we have been underachieving for to long and i dont see an end to it...

[44FAN]

I think it basically comes down to the fact that defensive co-ordinators around the league have figured Spurriers offense out. I was shocked that Seattle didn't blitz the hell out of us. Spurrier needs to go back to the drawing board as far as protecting Ramsey goes, and he also needs to figure out how to win with the running backs we have. You HAVE to be able to run the ball in the NFL if you expect to win, and I don't see it happening with our current crop of runners. I liked the effort the guys put out in the second half though. Game ball to Matt Bowen.

[NamVet4]

We don't suck. Tho' we all know that the media has a field day with the Redskins. It was unfortunate that this game occured when it did. I am seeing some positives in the last two games. Had it been another team, without the SD hype and everything, who knows. Woulda, shoulda, coulda, it's still an "L". Offense was definately offensive - for all the stated reasons in all the threads.
But, if there is any hope, it is that next week against the "fish" will be the third game based on the new play calling system and perhaps a more settled down QB. just my 2cents.

[NamVet4]

Oh, and hopefully the coaching staff will realize who the running back on this Team really is!!!!!

"You dances with who brung ya"

[joeharde]

the redskins during these last games really dont stand a chance, so what Dallas has been blanked twice , but being beaten by the Redskins yeah right. The skins defense blows and also Miami will probably blitz alot . Miamis coach used to be a defensive cordinator .

[jonesy]

stop tip-toeing around the fact that our DEF let us down today. 4th and 2 and Big Country rumbles 25 yards on a rb pass.....damn....it is so F-ing heartbreaking. Hail to the Redskins

<<I'm with ya brother, we need higher expectations to hold the 4th quarter lead. Petibon would have held that lead.>>>