View Full Version : Turner doesn't root for Washington!
11-20-2003, 04:46 AM
Yeah, huh? (http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20031120-120643-3683r.htm)
11-20-2003, 05:33 AM
Norv???? You can't turst a "Cowboy".
11-20-2003, 07:49 AM
Actually, it was a pretty decent article. Norv was coaching here under extremely difficult circumstances. First and foremost, us Redskisn fans don't take too kind of dallas Coaches, yet, somehow, we give George Edwards the benefit of doubt.
I respect Norv Turner more after this article. Yeah, he said he doesn't root for the Redskins, but do you blame him? BUT, the reason I have more respect is the fact that he never bad mouthed Snyder and would refuse to do so anyway.
He had a difficult tenrure, I was not a Norv fan. BUT, I can not imagine beiogn Norv Turner and havign to coach those years of uncertainty after JKC's death. It must have been difficult and trying. Plus being fired mid-season at 7-6, just was NOT right. Do it at then end. Hey, were sitting at 4-6 right now, maybe we shoudl can Spurrier.
11-20-2003, 07:56 AM
He had a difficult tenrure, I was not a Norv fan. BUT, I can not imagine beiogn Norv Turner and havign to coach those years of uncertainty after JKC's death. It must have been difficult and trying. Plus being fired mid-season at 7-6, just was NOT right. Do it at then end. Hey, were sitting at 4-6 right now, maybe we shoudl can Spurrier
PSF, don't give Danny Boy any encouragement :)
11-20-2003, 08:28 AM
I agree with what you said PSF. Norv is showing class.
11-20-2003, 08:30 AM
Norv was lucky to have his job for so long with so little success. He should be thankfull for that.
11-20-2003, 08:51 AM
Norv had seven years to produce and he could not do it. His tenure was a failed one. Unfortunately, getting him out of town has not improved things at all. Washington still has the same problems they've always had under the current owner. Problems they will continue to have as long as the current owner continues to believe the fantasy that he's qualified to run an NFL franchise. As Matt Turk put it: everyone's happy to get away from the Redskins now. Brian Mitchell, James Thrash, Brad Johnson, Stephen Davis. The list of happy refugees is getting longer every year.
11-20-2003, 09:06 AM
Norv had his chances with the people he wanted. He wanted Shuler, Casserly wanted Dilfer. Turner wanted Westbrook. Turner cut Scott Turner (the DB from Illinois, not his son) in favor of Buddy Crutchfield (props to any Skins fan who remembers him).
Bottom line, Turner was 10 games under .500 (49-59-1) with players acquired under his watch. Ever seen a Bill Parcells QB headbutt a concrete retaining wall? Ever seen a Dick Vermeil WR through his helmet to the ground disputing an incomplete pass call (Michael Westbrook against the Gints in 1997). Norv's players in general exhibited a lack of self control that separates team that get over the hump and those that don't.
Hey, if he didn't like the treatment he got from Snyder, there was 1 sure fire way to see it improve....Win more games. Winning cures everything.
Norv is part of the reason we are mired in mediocrity since Gibbs' departure. I could stil strangle him for sending Eddie Murray on to try that 50 yarder against the Giants when everyone in the stadium, including Eddie, knew he didn't have enough leg for the kick. We had another kicker handling kickoffs that game, they should have at least sent out a kicker who had a chance of getting the ball to the uprights.
And don't get me started on Norv's merry go round place kicking philosophy.
Norv made his bed and now he doesn't want to sleep in it? I say pi** on you Norv, thanks for 7 years of disappointment.
11-20-2003, 09:14 AM
I may be in the minority here but I actually liked Norv and as far as I'm concerned he is the only HC to have gotten us back to the promise land since the days of Gibbs, (if my memory serves me right weren't we like 3 or 4 minutes or even closer from beating the Bucs in the playoff game in 99' if we had won we would have played in the NFC Championship game vs. the Rams in 99') IMHO Norv got the raw end of the deal as far as I'm concerned and as 1 poster stated the problems we have now are seemly the same we had back then if not worse, so letting Norv go hasn't improved this franchise in 1 way, if you ask me it has taken us backwards. 3 HC since him being fired is a joke IMHO, (Robiskei (spelling) Marty, and now Spurrier)
11-20-2003, 01:00 PM
I'm actually another big Norv Turner fan but as a football guy and as a person, which was his problem. He's generally a good, calm guy and that'll never work for you as a head coach. Norv Tunrer had 6 years of failure here, most notably going 7-2 and not making the playoffs. He is however the only coach since Gibbs to get to the playoffs and could have been (If that snap isn't botched, Conway still has to make a 52 yarder) a play away from the NFC title game. In that year he produced one of the best offenses I've ever seen, brought us Stephen Davis, resurected Brad Johnson, got a 1000 yard season out of freakin Westbrook and Connell but lost that team to injury and Daniel Snyder.
An interesting tidbit on the 2000 season. After Conway's injury, we contact Joe Nedney, now the kicker for Tennessee. Nedney refuses to play for Snyder. I wonder how things would have been differant if we would have got Nedney to replace Conway that year.
11-20-2003, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by robert
Turner cut Scott Turner (the DB from Illinois, not his son) in favor of Buddy Crutchfield (props to any Skins fan who remembers him). Hooray! Someone else who recalls Scott Turner. He was our best special teams player at the time and Turner cut him. Our special teams immediately got worse. It summed up Turner's attitude towards Special Teams. He just didn't care. He thought his offense could overcome his inattention to Special Teams.
Sounds a lot like the coach we have now, actually.
11-20-2003, 01:33 PM
I am not a Truner fan, please don't label me that!
All I said was I respect Norv for not bashing danny, because it seems to be the popular and fun thing to do, and Snyder earns that.
BUT, my only defense of Truner. He cared enough about his QB to try anything he could to protect him, unlike our current coach.
11-20-2003, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Spence
The list of happy refugees is getting longer every year.
Makes me wonder what we will do when we run out of players willing to come here.
11-20-2003, 01:51 PM
jsarno and I were debating Norv a few weeks ago, I think he had way too much time to get something done here, 1999 was the only good year.
However, I always hate to hear stuff like his kids were harrassed in school...
11-20-2003, 01:52 PM
Yeah no kidding Spurrier reminds me alot of Norv...both were considered offensive minds. At least Norv teams put up points though. Ramsey would have been a good QB under Norv. I hated the guy when he was the coach but I will admit that.
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