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Spence
11-28-2003, 08:25 AM
During 14 years in the Michigan Legislature and 11 years in Congress, Rep. Nick Smith had never experienced anything like it. House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson, in the wee hours last Saturday morning, pressed him to vote for the Medicare bill. But Smith refused. Then things got personal.

Smith, self term-limited, is leaving Congress. His lawyer son Brad is one of five Republicans seeking to replace him from a GOP district in Michigan's southern tier. On the House floor, Nick Smith was told business interests would give his son $100,000 in return for his father's vote. When he still declined, fellow Republican House members told him they would make sure Brad Smith never came to Congress. After Nick Smith voted no and the bill passed, Duke Cunningham of California and other Republicans taunted him that his son was dead meat.
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Last Friday night, Rep. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania hosted a dinner at the Hunan restaurant on Capitol Hill for 30 Republicans opposed to the bill. They agreed on a scaled-down plan devised by Toomey and Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana. It would cover only seniors without private prescription drug insurance, while retaining the bill's authorization of private health savings accounts. First, they had to defeat their president and their congressional leadership.

They almost did. There were only 210 yes votes after an hour (long past the usual time for House roll calls), against 224 no's. A weary George W. Bush, just returned from Europe, was awakened at 4 a.m. to make personal calls to House members.

Republicans voting against the bill were told they were endangering their political futures. Major contributors warned Rep. Jim DeMint they would cut off funding for his Senate race in South Carolina. A Missouri state legislator called Rep. Todd Akin to threaten a primary challenge against him.
As you can see, the right wing is very divided on this Medicare bill and only threats got it passed in the first place. Some right-wingers, however, are still not pleased and may move against other Republicans in the future.
The conservative Club for Growth's Steve Moore, writing to the organization's directors and founders, said defeat of the Medicare bill ''would have been a shot across the bow at the Republican establishment that conservatives are sick of the spending splurge that is going on inside Washington these last few years.''

Hammering the conservatives to prevent that may have been only a short-term triumph.

Source (http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak27.html)

jsarno
11-28-2003, 10:13 AM
funny you brought it up...cause all the news coverage around here shows the Democrats were against this and were on the record as saying it would not help the elderly at all, while the republicans were saying that now, the elderly will no longer have to decide about putting food on the table or paying for medical supplies.
Picking one republican out does not show the truth on this one Spence. The Democrats were the reason it was tough to get passed...not the republicans. Of course there were a few Dems that wanted it, but majority didn't. And I thought you said the dems were for the "little people"?

Skinzaholic
11-28-2003, 10:59 AM
Lets get it straight Jsarno... the Dems want us all to be "little people"... there is a difference!

Spence
11-28-2003, 04:21 PM
Of course most Dems were opposed to the Medicare bill. What else would you expect? Dems want to help seniors afford medicine, not shovel gigantic sums of taxpayer money to rich HMOs that already make a killing by defrauding Medicare out of tens of billions of dollars annually.

JSARNO and Skinz, I hope you guys don't still call yourselves conservatives. As the right-wing Cato Institute has said, the Bush admin is the most fiscally irresponsible and reckless administration in recent history. The Bush admin has clearly delineated the difference between conservative and right-wing. You guys, since you support Mr Bush, are right-wingers, not conservatives.

Just so we have the language straight. Since I believe government should pay for what it spends and not run these sorts of reckless deficits, I'm actually far, far more conservative than either of you.

twobits
11-28-2003, 05:04 PM
it passed because it was the right thing to do.

jsarno
11-30-2003, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Spence

JSARNO and Skinz, I hope you guys don't still call yourselves conservatives.

I've never called myself a conservative or rightwinger / leftwinger, or anything of the sort. I'm a situational person. I'm not a democrat, I'm not a republican. All these little games to classify people make me sick. Only you guys here have called me these names.
If you MUST label (a true shame) then call me "Independant" by every sense of the word.

Skinz...you're absolutely right.