Spurrier Poll

[PennSkinsFan]

Now, I do not want you to vote if you think Spurrier will return, i want you to vote do you WANT Spurrier to return

[dj_stouty]

Yes. I need to see him in his 3rd season. We all knew this was a 3-year plan...and if we don't give him that, then we might as well fire every coach from here on out who doesn't turn us into winners overnight.

If we get a new coach...it will simply give our star players, yet again, another excuse for not performing. The players are screaming for consistancy? Well, lets give it to them.

[GolfFreak]

Sad to say this, but I'm bailing on SS now ... I voted NO.

[Redskinmayhem]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
Yes. I need to see him in his 3rd season. We all knew this was a 3-year plan...and if we don't give him that, then we might as well fire every coach from here on out who doesn't turn us into winners overnight.

If we get a new coach...it will simply give our star players, yet again, another excuse for not performing. The players are screaming for consistancy? Well, lets give it to them.

I completely agree.

[AGibbsGirl]

MAAAAANNN!

Spurrier can stay as long as we can keep the other coaches too.

I'm tired of the revolving door. If we could let our boys have just two consecutive years of the same Offensive Plan, the same defensive plan etc...maybe we'd get somewhere.

How can it become second nature when they have to change plans and styles so much?

I'll vote that he can stay only because I don't care anymore!

[Seebs]

It wouldn't mean anything to change now.

[Spence]

Nope. As things stand now, I don't want Spurrier back. He seems to have learned very little about coaching in the NFL. Almost nothing, actually--or nothing he cares to apply to game situations. Unless there is real progress in the next month [ha!], I want him gone and replaced with an experienced NFL coach.

[PennSkinsFan]

Screw this. This is not the first time that Spourrier has abandon an effective running game. Steve --- you just dont get the NFL do ya?

[NamVet4]

Yes.
Why?
I am hopefull that Dan Snyder will have another good off season -hell knows the regular season was a bust - and brings in some good DEFENSIVE type players through the Draft or FA.
That accomplished, Coach Spurrier can commit to improving and adjusting his Fun ' N Gun plan. And yes, even though he had improved talent on the offense this year, and didn't post the "W" 's he needs one more year to make or break it.
Also, I think we will see 1 or possibly 2 new assistant coaches. - on the offensive side. I want to keep Coach Edwards as part of the Spurrier experiment also.

AND............................................... ......









We have been so bad for so long, what's another year ? :)

[LuvSkins17]

I think he should go because I don't think he wants to be here. The money doesn't over shadow him losing. How much were the other failed transition coaches (from college to the pro's) making...........? You don't remember how much,..... only that they sucked. I love my team. I know its a 3 year plan but I don't think Spurrier is happy here. I just want to win..... I don't care who coaches.

[WackyJacky]

Give him another year to improve and adjust his Fun-n-Gun plan? Haven't seen ANY sign of that so far. He shows no evidence of having learned anything about the NFL in the 2 years he's already had to "adjust and improve."
No, I say get rid of him ASAP. The only consistency he gives this team is consistently losing.

[PennSkinsFan]

Right Luv. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that he wants out. If the right buyout terms were put in front of him, he would be gone.

Fact is....

1. He really does not wanna be here. It goes back to the Mendes resignation, he was part of the Mendes coalition, and has never gotten along with Cerrato. That is FACT!

2. His heart if not here, he does not liek the NFL, and the interceding by Snyder is getting old for him.

3. He is cluless in play calling in the NFL. Come on folks, 16 carries and 115 yards, Betts only gets two carries, yet we throw 42 times against a weak rush defense????????

4. With the comments from peopel liek Jansen, you can tell, the players are desperately trying so say, WTF????? You allc an say Jansen needs to shut up and block. Ummm, they did. Thats why Trung had 115 yards. They were blowing holes open, yet Spurrier stopped calling the run plays and went to the pass with a backup QB? Hassel beck played great, but folks, we were runnign effectively.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Fact is....

1. He really does not wanna be here. It goes back to the Mendes resignation, he was part of the Mendes coalition, and has never gotten along with Cerrato. That is FACT!

2. His heart if not here, he does not liek the NFL, and the interceding by Snyder is getting old for him.

3. He is cluless in play calling in the NFL. Come on folks, 16 carries and 115 yards, Betts only gets two carries, yet we throw 42 times against a weak rush defense????????

4. With the comments from peopel liek Jansen, you can tell, the players are desperately trying so say, WTF????? You allc an say Jansen needs to shut up and block. Ummm, they did. Thats why Trung had 115 yards. They were blowing holes open, yet Spurrier stopped calling the run plays and went to the pass with a backup QB? Hassel beck played great, but folks, we were runnign effectively.

Actually....only #3 is a fact. (He did abandon the run) The other 3 points are opinions. We don't know if he wants in or not...we dont' know if his heart is in it or not...and we dont' know how the players truly feel. We can speculate...but I'm not convinced Spurrier has lost his competitive nature. If his heart was truly not in it, then I would have expected us to get BLOWN OUT of our last three games...

However, we lost our last 3 games by a combined 11 points to teams with a currently combined record of 22 - 14. (63.6 Winning %) Giving up big plays late in the game has been our downfall. Players are missing their assignments. (Yes...assigned by the coaching staff) The bigger problem in DC is the fact that our millionaire players are not performing up to the level of their salaries. Samuels, Champ, Lavar, Trotter...etc all need to stop making excuses and start BLOCKING, DEFENDING and TACKLING.

[GeneralDisorder]

Keep him here for another year, says I...

[Monk81]

NO I never have liked spurrier and I hate that he refuses to stick with the run

[REDMAN]

I think he should stay another year. If we were to get another coach, he would most likely come from the college ranks. not many people want to coach for mr. Snyder!

[Patrick]

DJ - Cant ask Trotter to do more than he did yesterday.


I'm not happy with his results, and the man is too honest for his own good, and I'm tired of the 'good old boy' mindless mentality, and the overstating of the obvious ……. That being said, he should return for a third season. ……… What most people seem to forget, Danny was NOT the ONLY one who was after Spurrier. There were three or four teams interested so someone besides DS saw something in the man too. But if the results remain the same as this year, then I think it’s time for a change.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
Actually....only #3 is a fact. (He did abandon the run) The other 3 points are opinions. We don't know if he wants in or not...we dont' know if his heart is in it or not...and we dont' know how the players truly feel. We can speculate...but I'm not convinced Spurrier has lost his competitive nature. If his heart was truly not in it, then I would have expected us to get BLOWN OUT of our last three games...

However, we lost our last 3 games by a combined 11 points to teams with a currently combined record of 22 - 14. (63.6 Winning %) Giving up big plays late in the game has been our downfall. Players are missing their assignments. (Yes...assigned by the coaching staff) The bigger problem in DC is the fact that our millionaire players are not performing up to the level of their salaries. Samuels, Champ, Lavar, Trotter...etc all need to stop making excuses and start BLOCKING, DEFENDING and TACKLING.

Actually DJ, I can ASSURE you that #1 is fact.

[NamVet4]

PennSkinsFan wrote:
There is no doubt in anyone's mind that he wants out. If the right buyout terms were put in front of him, he would be gone.

Fact is....

1. He really does not wanna be here. It goes back to the Mendes resignation, he was part of the Mendes coalition, and has never gotten along with Cerrato. That is FACT!


I do have a doubt... The Mendes "ouster" and the "ascension" of Cerrato may play a part in all of this. But I think Spurrier's ego would by pass that issue. ..."if the right buyout terms were put in front of him".. leads me to believe that Danny Boy controls the future of the coach. If Spurrier really wants out then he doesn't wait for Danny Boy to offer, he just goes with whatever the terms of the contract are for his leaving early.

Either way, I don't doubt your veracity and you have probably got a lot better sources than anyone here has. And I'm not asking you to reveal those sources.
Sadly, I just wish Spurrier would get over that "aw shucks" routine and say one way or another:
This is it, I'm here until fired!
OR
This is it, I'm gone at the end of the season.

His speaking up now, IMHO, will not impact the perfromance of the Team for the remaining games.

[PennSkinsFan]

True Andrew. Steve Spurrier is the coach. There are rumors runnign rampant in Dc, in NC, in Tenn, in Florida, he needs to lay them areast. he needs to make some concrete decision on where his heart lies. If thisis truly what he does not want, then do the settlement, and get out. If he truly wants to be the Redskins coach, then dammit, show some emotion and take control.

[rhummer37]

I completely agree with DJ_stouty.

Unless you have a special source for your information (uh...Steve Spurrier), you have no proof of points 1 and 2.

3 is also an opinion and I think clueless might be a little strong for a guy who likes to pass the ball.

4- who cares about Jansen anyways. Everyone in the organization, and the fan base, is asking the same question.

I want to see Spurrier try another year, but I also want to see a better Defensive Coordinator, without guys like Bailey using a new coach as an excuse to bail. I want to see Spurrier go out on his terms, not Snyder's. He gave him a 7 year contract, if I'm right, and he at least deserves the 3 he asked for.

[William]

After taking as much heat as he has this season, I am curious to see what he comes up with in the off season. I voted Yes.

What worries me is the fact that I can't come up with a logical prediction on whether he's going to see if his fun 'n gun game will work with some new players/asst. coaches next season, or if he's learned from his first two seasons in the NFL to broaden his options...

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by rhummer37
I completely agree with DJ_stouty.

Unless you have a special source for your information (uh...Steve Spurrier), you have no proof of points 1 and 2.

3 is also an opinion and I think clueless might be a little strong for a guy who likes to pass the ball.

4- who cares about Jansen anyways. Everyone in the organization, and the fan base, is asking the same question.

I want to see Spurrier try another year, but I also want to see a better Defensive Coordinator, without guys like Bailey using a new coach as an excuse to bail. I want to see Spurrier go out on his terms, not Snyder's. He gave him a 7 year contract, if I'm right, and he at least deserves the 3 he asked for.

We had a pretty good soruce on that one. Actually straight from a party involved.

[Spence]

Originally posted by rhummer37
I want to see Spurrier try another year, but I also want to see a better Defensive Coordinator, without guys like Bailey using a new coach as an excuse to bail. I want to see Spurrier go out on his terms, not Snyder's. He gave him a 7 year contract, if I'm right, and he at least deserves the 3 he asked for. It was a five-year contract. If Spurrier has been betrayed by the defensive coordinator then he has only himself to blame. The Ol' Ballcoach picked him.

[Apache]

I really wanted some consistency but, this one is the worst deal we've had yet. My man hasn't learned about running in the NFL. Who throws on 3 and 2. Spurrier does, no one else. For the last three weeks I sat back and watched us squander opportunities to be winners and they just cannot do it under Spurrier. When your ahead you keep the ball on the ground especially when you have people who can do it. Trung had an awesome game, the Roc was back, and you can bet on Betts as well. Why would you do such a thing? The last play of the game you come out throwing for 4 downs. Hasn't worked yet. I believe last week was the same situation. Why, Why, Why??? I realize he's a passing coach but, some weeks you just have to go with what works.

I voted NO. I want to get someone with NFL experience who plans one sticking around and can command some authority. Someone who gets mad and can fire their team mates up when the chips are down and show alot of enthusiasm when they are doing good. This man shows no emotion whatsoever other than frustration about a failed system. Ya gotta be mad every once and awhile but, I think he realizes, it's all him and has no one to blame but, himself.

Bye Bye Spurrier, Too Bad so Sad. Go on take the money and run.

[HollywoodKolt]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
Yes. I need to see him in his 3rd season. We all knew this was a 3-year plan...and if we don't give him that, then we might as well fire every coach from here on out who doesn't turn us into winners overnight.

If we get a new coach...it will simply give our star players, yet again, another excuse for not performing. The players are screaming for consistancy? Well, lets give it to them.

I totally agree. I'm sure that you guys calling for his head have been screaming for continuity in this orginization prior to this. Give him AT LEAST three years he's shown flashes of being what we hoped he would be.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

My personal jury is still out this one... on the one hand, Spurrier hasn't bestowed a great offense upon us, nor does he seem to really be grasping the NFL in general. On the other hand, it was the defense that lost the last few games, not the offense, and that's not Spurrier's forte. Of course, maybe the whole point of this is that we should bring in someone who knows offense and defense. Hell, maybe the guy could even have a knack for special teams. Call me optimistic.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Man Im so torn on this one.SS's offense has shown flashes of being very productive.The D has played about 2/2 and a half quaters of football per game.We had holes coming in despite what we filled this past offseason.Then we cut one starting DT and the other went down to injury.We havent had much go right since week 4.Prior to that we looked decent about what I had expected.i thought we'd be 9-7.Maybe in the playoffs maybe not.But 6-10 is the best we will probably do.All that being said i guess isay keep him unless he doesnt have his heart in it.Because Ive had mine in it as a fan for years and I want a coach that feels the same way like Allen or Gibbs.If SS doesnt want to be that guy with another offseason to build on then find a proven guy that can.We have named several on other threads the balls in SS court.Im with this organization,I mean what choice do I have?

[skins74]

I would say keep SS for 1 more year. I really don't like his assts., I am stumped.

[bigcmr]

This team has tallent to be a playoff team. And they only have 4 wins? If this team goes 4-12 will everyone say one more year? I know the D-line sucks. But everyone quit saying that is the only reason why this team can't win. The play calling he horrible. And that is coaching. I backed SS up before but not anymore. I'm sorry he has to go.

[GhostRider68]

Any man who can't win with the talent we've got(maybe we have to many egos?) and loses more games than the previous year needs to go.

[Green-Is-Good]

As each week goes by, I am starting to think that perhaps Hue should get the HC job

[Spence]

I'm kind of surprised the voting here is 17-14 in favor of Spurrier returning for a third season [as of this writing]. I thought Spurrier would have more support than that.

[RedskinsDave]

See the other thread Tom, losing is contagious. Apparently it is also epidemic.

[Spence]

Originally posted by RedskinsDave
See the other thread Tom, losing is contagious. Apparently it is also epidemic. :D

[jsarno]

I'm the 15th NO!
Hell no, he should not be allowed to be the head coach next year. He has done NOTHING to prove he's worth banking on him for another year.
For all you that think if we fire him then we can't possibly win...well Gruden is a prime example of how a team can overcome an entire coaching overhaul and still win the whole thing. It can be done.

[jsarno]

here are some stats to help aid the "FIRE SPURRIER" wagon.

YEAR W-L, %, PF/G, PA/G, OFF/G, DEF/G, OFF RANK, DEF RANK
2003, 4-8, .333, 19.67, 23.33, 305.3, 342.1, 21ST, 25TH
2004, 7-9, .438, 19.19, 22.81, 321.4, 299.2, 20TH, 5TH

so he's dropped .105 points in his win loss record. He's allowing more points against per game. His offense (his alleged forte) is down 16.1 yards a game. His defense is allowing 42.9 more yards a game. His offense has dropped one spot from 20th to 21st in the league (which is still the bottom 3rd of the league) and his defense has dropped from 5th, all the way to 25th.
So the only good thing is that he is averaging 0.48 more points a game.
Why in the world should we keep a guy that has "his team" in place and can't produce anything better than what he had last year? He's getting worse...not better. He needs to go back to college.

[Green-Is-Good]

You can have no head coach and play just as well... strike that, you can play BETTER!! Hue could call all the shots on O

[rhummer37]

Originally posted by jsarno
For all you that think if we fire him then we can't possibly win...well Gruden is a prime example of how a team can overcome an entire coaching overhaul and still win the whole thing. It can be done.

And how many coahces like Gruden are out there that we can afford???

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Afford? That's not a term we use with Snyder at the helm. It's not if we can afford them, it's how much they'll cost.

[NamVet4]

I'm surprised that more members have not voted. This is a topic that occupies many, many threads.

??????

[Spence]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Afford? That's not a term we use with Snyder at the helm. It's not if we can afford them, it's how much they'll cost. It's whether or not a good coach would come to Washington.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

True. And whether or not Snyder can identify a good coach.

[hail2skins]

Spurrier has shown me that he hasn't learned anything in the two years he's been in the NFL. We all heard how he'd be more involved in the whole team. NOT. We heard how he learned that the running game is crucial if you want to be successful in the NFL. NOT. Does he gameplan against teams. NOT.

He hasn't shown me anything this season. He looks confused and dazed on the sidelines or more like he's comtemplating which club to use on his next shot. Do I go for it or should I lay up.

What should he have learned about the NFL by now. Hmm, let's see: the game is faster, players are stronger and faster, all teams have talented players, you need to run the ball to be successful, gameplanning is key (failing to plan is planning to fail), a team consist of an offense, defense and special teams, a balanced gameplan is a good thing.

I'm sure you all can add some more.

[ShaggySkins]

Spurrier deserves 1 more year. This team started out built in the EXACT OPPOSITE style then what he wanted. This began as a bruising running team and is still being turned into a passing oriented offense. With that said I'd get rid of just about every assistant on the team and bring in experienced assistants to help run the team. If no change occurs after next year then let him go but I still feel he needs time to switch the team into a completely different mold.

[kempcolts]

Well I say give 'em one more year. He did say if he couldn't figure it out by year three he would give it up. My thought is your only as good as the people around you. Look at Dick Vermil and even Joe Gibbs in his years here, he must of had at least 3 or 4 former HC on his staff as well as season coordinators and assistance Stevie Boy you can't do it alone. He needs at least more experienced coordinators.

TC skins fan since "54"

[Skinzaholic]

Spurrier needs another year... and Snyder needs to sell the team.

[NamVet4]

Originally posted by Skinzaholic
... and Snyder needs to sell the team.
:lol3:
ROFLMAO --- I think ??:confused:

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

ok, ok, ok.

i cant seem to make up my mind on this one. after the dallas and tampa game, i was seriously calling for steve to leave (sorry, too much dr. seuss!) but now that i think about it, i would like to seem him give one more try. that way, we wouldve given him a fair chance. i think we are a guard, DE, DT, good all around RB and an easier schedule away from getting to the playoffs. we have lost 5 games by 4 points or less and the ball just didnt bounce our way this year. of course, this can all change within the next month or so!

[Death_Venom]

I dont think that many of you realize that this is THE FIRST TIME IN NFL HISTORY that a team with a losing record has faced TEAMS with MOSTLY WINNING records..........Just think about that for a minute or 2........

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Death, I'm not quite sure I understand what you said.

[Death_Venom]

In other words due to our poor performance last season we should have been facing teams more in our "strength" bracket (aka slightly weaker teams with the same type of win/loss records). Most of the teams we have faced this year had WINNING RECORDS last season.

(The concept works like this: if your team WINS the Super Bowl-your team will play the STRONGEST TEAMS in the NFL and the concept works vice versa as well-that is how the NFL typically arranges schedules.)

[kempcolts]

Death, I feel your pain, but teams with winning records or losing records, we need to play like we want to win, not almost want to win...............look at Cincy I'm pretty sure everybody they played had a better record than them.............


TC Skins fan since "54"

[Death_Venom]

Teams that "almost" win are the ones that are showing that they are growing...........It's not as if we are get blown out (28-3) or somethimg I just dont buy into the idea to TOTALLY kick your HEAD COACH out on his butt (thus creating further CHAOS within the organization & further adding to the ideas of INSTABILITY)......

The HARSH REALITY IS THIS: EVERYONE (Skins fans alike-ALL OF US) bought in the the Steve Spurrier HYPE {while SS commented very little about all the predictions}, THUS we decided we should be more than PLAY-OFF Bound this season.

Look people (and this is getting so d*mn repetitive) Teams ARE NOT built overnight-hell most TEAMS are not even built within 2 seasons......And YES I want the Skins to win games by more than a field goal!!!

And for the record the Bengals have had VERY DECENT PLAYERS it has always been the case of Coaching not taking advantage of the available talent..........Marvin Lewis is taking what is there and making it work for him........

[hail2skins]

Maybe the realignment changed that Death. Teams do play 2 intraconference games now based on the prior year's standings. Maybe it was different before.

This is how the scheduling goes since the realignment:

A common question I get from football fans concerns the NFL's scheduling procedures and how a team's opponents are determined. Since the realignment that moved the NFL to an eight-division league, the scheduling format has become quite simple actually.

• Each team plays home and away against its three division opponents, which accounts for six games on the schedule.

• Each team plays four teams from another division within its conference on a rotating three-year cycle, which accounts for four more games.

• Each team plays four teams from a division in the other conference on a rotating four-year cycle, which accounts for another four games.

• Each team plays two intraconference games based on the prior year's standings.
For example, the first-place team in a division will play against the first-place team from another division within the same conference. The second place team in a division will play against the second-place team from another division within the same conference, etc...

[kempcolts]

Originally posted by Death_Venom


And for the record the Bengals have had VERY DECENT PLAYERS it has always been the case of Coaching not taking advantage of the available talent..........Marvin Lewis is taking what is there and making it work for him........

My point exactly, to me it's a matter of motivation and getting the players to buy into your plan, and convincing them they can win with that plan, I'm not sure our guys are convinced. I'm for Stevie staying another year, because thats what he said he would do, three years, if he couldn't turn it around he would give it up. But I tell you, when you listen to his interviews and comments it dose'nt sound like somebody who is real enthusastic about winning. So the players sound like they have to motivate themselves. Maybe it's just me but......................

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't think he will ever run the ball enough to win in the NFL.

[Green-Is-Good]

He seems to be learning. 48 runs last week.

[Rogers_Redskins]

I thinkn we should keep him for another year. IF for anything just for the continuity of having the same offense. WE definately need a new offensive line coach.

Just Wait TIll Next Year.........

[redskins_fan56]

I still am not sure if Spurrier has what it takes to be a successful NFL coach, but I am willing to sit through one more season to find out. I want to love this guy, but he seems to lack the rah, rah ability that I want to see in a head coach. I don't see Spurrier inspiring all that many players. That's what this team has needed all season, inspiration (I guess money isn't inspiration enough)
I know he said in one press conference, in regards to handling the blitz, that he had seen blitzes before, but man I couldn't tell. I don't know if it is the lack of talent (or purported talent not living up to its hype) or poor schemes, but our pass protection is horrible. To me this disappointing season can be summed up by two disturbing trends: 1) our horrific pass blocking and inability to make teams pay for blitzing us (instead we pay) and 2) our own pathetic pass rush, it seems we can never get to the QB. As far as I'm concerned, fix those two problems and we are unstoppable!

[AGibbsGirl]

Originally posted by redskins_fan56
I want to love this guy, but he seems to lack the rah, rah ability that I want to see in a head coach. I don't see Spurrier inspiring all that many players. That's what this team has needed all season, inspiration (I guess money isn't inspiration enough)

I agree with you rf56 (and BTW, welcome to the site!) Being a woman, I tend to look at emotion as a factor as much as ability, when motivating people. I don't know what's going on in the locker room at half time, but it sure dosen't seem as if the players are getting motivated in the right way. They don't have this coach's back...that is obvious from the things being said in the press.