Spurrier....what????

[PennSkinsFan]

On Ladell Betts:
"I didn’t realize Ladell [Betts] (RB, #46) only had a couple of carries. I thought he was going to be more involved tonight, but that’s just the way it worked out.”


How can you not realize? Was not SS callign the plays? Doe she not have a game plan, or does he shoot off the hip?

Sorry hR members, but this coach is very odd.

[Redskinmayhem]

I do think he gameplans but I think he ends up shooting from the hip based on what works and doesn't work. What that tells me is that his gameplans ususally don't work leading to adjustments. Betts had a few nice catches but I didn't see anything fantastic on his few rushes.

[Skins4life]

Hey Mayhem......you didnt see anything on his few rushes??
Do you mean the 2 times he touched the ball. You need alot more than 2 touches to get in a rythmn. I am with Penn on this one. Betts is a better back - he is finally healthy and he gets 2 carries. The coach calling the plays didn't even know whether Betts was in our out. What the hell!!

[RedskinsDave]

I don't care who it was, they should've ran the ball more.

[Redskinmayhem]

Originally posted by Skins4life
Hey Mayhem......you didnt see anything on his few rushes??
Do you mean the 2 times he touched the ball. You need alot more than 2 touches to get in a rythmn. I am with Penn on this one. Betts is a better back - he is finally healthy and he gets 2 carries. The coach calling the plays didn't even know whether Betts was in our out. What the hell!!

Yeah, that's true it takes at least 10 rushes to make a good decision about an RB. Betts will get more carries down the stretch. we'll see what happens.

[AGibbsGirl]

Well, one thing we did find out...the man can't catch the ball.

[PennSkinsFan]

He had 4 receptions for over 60 yards. I think he did very well.

BUT, my point was not who was better, my point was that Spurrier just sounds lost and confused, sounds pathetic.

You have Betts back, you have Trung with over 100 yards, you have a weak New Orleans rush defense, we have abackup QB, and we pass 42 Times??????? Trung, 115 yards on 15 carries, so we abandon ship and go to the pass??????????

Folks, I am sorry, but Steve Spurrier is simply clueless int he nFL. If he returns in 04, expect much of the same.

[AGibbsGirl]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
He had 4 receptions for over 60 yards. I think he did very well.

Hmmm, I saw 4 for 46, which is actually good...so I must have seen a few dropped that made me mad

[AGibbsGirl]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
You have Betts back, you have Trung with over 100 yards, you have a weak New Orleans rush defense, we have abackup QB, and we pass 42 Times??????? Trung, 115 yards on 15 carries, so we abandon ship and go to the pass??????????

Folks, I am sorry, but Steve Spurrier is simply clueless int he nFL. If he returns in 04, expect much of the same.

I think we all agree with you now PSF

This is what Jansen said, "It's so frustrating," he continued. "You earn the right to do things in this league. You earn the right to run the ball. You earn the right to do whatever it is, and then you're not allowed to. It's frustrating. It's extremely frustrating."

[Spence]

This is what I was saying to Mark earlier. The Saints cannot defend the rush and McAllister is running wild all day. Our defense could not stop him so keeping him off the field was our best option. The way to do that was to run the ball. Instead we threw 42 times. It makes no sense. I wonder if Spurrier gameplans for specific opponents or just uses his favorite plays no matter who we are playing. It's incredibly frustrating.

Those who are defending Spurrier and want him back for another year should explain exactly WHEN this guy is going to start learning how to do things in the NFL. Running the ball yesterday was a no-brainer, especially when we were already doing it so damn well! Spurrier just does not seem to learn at all. I'd feel better about giving the guy another season if I saw any evidence that he is learning how to coach in the NFL. But I don't see it.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by AGibbsGirl
I think we all agree with you now PSF

This is what Jansen said,

Case in point. These guys are not behind Spurrier and they are expressing the frustration the little they can. he has got to be disheartening fro an offensive lineman, to watch the holes develop that your are helping blow up, and Trung getting the big runs from the great blocking, and then all of the sudden, out of the blue, all the pass plays come into the huddle.

[PennSkinsFan]

AGG, your right on yards, my bad.

[NamVet4]

Originally posted by Spence
...
Those who are defending Spurrier and want him back for another year should explain exactly WHEN this guy is going to start learning how to do things in the NFL. Running the ball yesterday was a no-brainer, especially when we were already doing it so damn well! Spurrier just does not seem to learn at all. I'd feel better about giving the guy another season if I saw any evidence that he is learning how to coach in the NFL. But I don't see it.

And are you willing to tolerate another whole new coaching staff?

THERE IS NO CONSISTENCY OR CONTINUITY IN THIS TEAM!
(Sorry for yelling! :( )
A line has to be drawn!

Spurrier is an egotistical, hard headed coach! And Snyder is the same, except he is the owner!
I'm counting on Danny Boy doing the carrot and stick thing. Beat up on the "Old Ball Coach" and then go out and get him some defensive players and 1 or 2 new assistants.
Next year, if Spurrier strumbles and bumbles - then toss his sorry a$$ out the back door.

:(

[Spence]

NamVet, we might get a largely new coaching staff anyway. What I heard on WTEM this morning indicated that even Spurrier's son is looking for a way out--college, in his case. Apparently, Hue Jackson is not the only one looking to leave. Many are. And certain coaches are going to be fired anyway. Whether Spurrier stays or goes, I think we're looking at some turnover on the coaching staff during the offseason.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I lost faith in Spurrier a couple weeks ago. I thought maybe, just maybe, i could get it back, given that our losses have at least looked better in the past couple weeks. But no, same old, same old.

[Patrick]

Another coaching staff, another 3 years (at best). Geezzz, it's the 60's all over again!

[NamVet4]

Turnover is to be expected based on the performance this season. However, it is possible that 1 or 2 new coaches will make a serious and beneficial impact. I'm hoping for a "Marvin Lewis" type coach, offense or defense, one who commands respect from the players and can work with Spurrier. ( That means getting through Spurriers ego and getting the job done)

[jonesy]

P-Fan you are right on target, running was a no brainer, why give the game to Tback and recievers to win? 42 passes? C'mon. The Rbacks had it going on. SS is so frustrating and I shook my head at that quote as well. It's a bit ridiculous.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by jonesy
P-Fan you are right on target, running was a no brainer, why give the game to Tback and recievers to win? 42 passes? C'mon. The Rbacks had it going on. SS is so frustrating and I shook my head at that quote as well. It's a bit ridiculous.

Spurrier didn't "abandon the run" until mid-way through the 4th quarter after the Saints had already taken the lead. Of course he is going to try and throw the ball. Hasselbeck was doing a pretty good job sustaining drives up to that point...and when you need a game-breaking play, you need to count on guys like Coles to make plays.

Also...a few members bashed Spurrier after the Miami game, saying he played too conservative by running the ball late. (go figure)

Sounds to me like he is damned if he runs and damned if he doesn't.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
Spurrier didn't "abandon the run" until mid-way through the 4th quarter after the Saints had already taken the lead. Of course he is going to try and throw the ball. Hasselbeck was doing a pretty good job sustaining drives up to that point...and when you need a game-breaking play, you need to count on guys like Coles to make plays.

Also...a few members bashed Spurrier after the Miami game, saying he played too conservative by running the ball late. (go figure)

Sounds to me like he is damned if he runs and damned if he doesn't.

Little different when your team is starting TB is averging over 6 yards per carry, is having a great game, and you are playing a team that does not do well against the run, and had not proven at that point that they could stop Trung.

[Spence]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
Spurrier didn't "abandon the run" until mid-way through the 4th quarter after the Saints had already taken the lead. Of course he is going to try and throw the ball. Hasselbeck was doing a pretty good job sustaining drives up to that point...and when you need a game-breaking play, you need to count on guys like Coles to make plays. Why abandon the run when it is a one-score game and there is plenty of time to get that score? Why pass when the run was working better? The Redskins threw the ball 16 times more than they passed and the run was clearly working. Those were poor decisions. Spurrier admitted as much in his postgame press conference when he said he should have run the ball more, but "you've got to trust your receivers and your quarterback." Whatever that means.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by Patrick
Another coaching staff, another 3 years (at best). Geezzz, it's the 60's all over again!

I read/heard somewhere that the players are going directly to Snyder w/complaints. Sound familiar? I think Spurrier sucks, alway did, and honestly think that it would be better to can him and start over AGAIN. My understanding is that all these free agents we got were to fill needs he identified. Still, we are WORSE than last year. What in the world makes anyone think it will be better next year?

That said, I think Snyder is the root cause of all of this. When he has players coming directly to him, that's wrong. What the hell does he know? What about his hiring/firing practices in the past shows he has any idea what he is doing? He decided to go with an expensive, unproven commodity, Spurrier, because he was the flavor of the month, and a lot of noise was bieng made aobut his desire to take his act to the NFL. Danny could not imagine not being the guy to win the "prize".

[SkinsKY]

Spurrier has no plan. Well, he might have one, but he has no clear to get to his end result. The moment he gets away from what he planned, he panics. A coach should be very aware of who is on the field and what they are doing. It is absolutely unacceptable to not know who is getting the ball and doing well. I don't blame Spurrier for running the ball against Miami, but when your rush avg exceeds your pass avg, you need to be averaging 10 ypc or you're making a big mistake in passing the ball 42 times. I trust Hass and I trust our WRs, but what I trust more is 6 ypc. That when you're running well against a bad rush defense, you run more, regardless of what the passing game is doing. You always, ALWAYS exploit weaknesses. Otherwise, we are making this harder than it has to be.