The Snyder regime stats

[PennSkinsFan]

Ok, here you go. Daniel Snyder has been owner now for nearly five seasons. i can still remember the excitement of Snyder's purchase and his promise to restore the winning tradition.

Here is what we got. he became owner in 1999:

1999- 10-6
2000- 8-8 (3rd Place)
2001- 8-8 (2nd Place)
2002-7-9 (3rd Place)
2003-4-8 (Last Place)

Total Snyder record: 37-39 (.486)

Now, he came in during the 1999 season, so not counting that as a Snyder year, we are looking at W/L of

27-33(.450)

The Snyder promises? Seems from the 10-6, first year, Snyder run teams have gotten progressivley worse!

[RedskinsDave]

Yes but in March and April, we're always in the news signing some big name.

[Spence]

Yeah, Snyder cannot be given credit for anything that happened during the 1999 season. He came in too late, wanted to fire Norv, found that he had no replacement, and reluctantly stuck with the coach he inherited. From 2000 onwards, this has been Snyder's team. It was Snyder that wanted Jeff George and it was Snyder that wanted Bruce Smith and it was Snyder that wanted Deion Sanders. [And it was Snyder who demanded that Brian Mitchell be cut to make room for Sanders' salary.] Since 2000, this has been Snyder's team.

Anyone enjoying it yet?

[Spence]

Originally posted by RedskinsDave
Yes but in March and April, we're always in the news signing some big name. Exactly. That's the mentality of a guy who made his money in marketing. If he's in the newspapers, he figures he must be doing something right.

[Redskinmayhem]

Think about it though, how much of this chaos can really be Dan Snyders Fault? Or even the coaches fault? That players are the ones that muff punts, over throw open WR's on 2 pt conv's, fumble balls on the 1 yd line, etc... If just a few more things had gone our way this season we be 10-6 and looking for a wild card berth. No matter what the coaches game plan consists of it's the players responsibility to go out on the field and execute. Sure some gamplans are more difficult than others but these players are multi-millionaires for it. they are pro's. the cream of the crop. I understand that certain calls throughout the course of the game can be more conducive to winning( such as running the ball) but if the coach calls a screen pass, and the guards don't pull fast enough or the back doesn't do a good job of masking the play, it's hardly the coaches fault. It's not the coaches fault that a player cannot beat his man, or if an LB get's too aggressive and misses an assignment. I firmly believe we are losing now out of habit and lack of discipline. This isn't a highschool team where players talk while the coaches coach. These are grown men, paid professionals. IMHO, It's the players fault we are losing. And as for Randy and Jon J. asking for more running plays, they should shut up and either plow the guy in front of them or don't let the qb get sacked. period. That's what they get paid to do. NOT CALL PLAYS. Until this team is held Accountable for what goes on ON THE FIELD, we will continue to lose. Think about it, if 5 plays go our way this season, we're a playoff team. We've beaten some good teams, and lost to better teams. All hope is not gone. at least not in my house.

[Spence]

We beat the Jets without Pennington, the Falcons without Vick, the Patriots without 9 starters and the Seahawks, who cannot beat anyone on the road. As Dan Daly wrote in the Times today, if Pennington and Vick play, the Redskins are 2-10. Anyone who saw Pennington last night knows the truth of that.

[RedskinsDave]

The problem with the coaches we've had is instead of adjusting to thier talent, they expect the talent to adjust to their system. That's not what good coaches do. Look at that jerk Billick. As much as I hate him, he's a good coach who sits on his desire to go vertical because he learned that he can win with defense and a running game. We had Davis and a d-line last year but let them go so we could pitch it around. Well, all we've been pitching around is a couple cow pies.

[Patrick]

Well put Patrick and a lot I agree with you about when it comes to the players BUT it is the coach responsibility to ensure that the discipline is instilled into the players AND that is our coaching staff weakness.

[Redskinmayhem]

Originally posted by Spence
We beat the Jets without Pennington, the Falcons without Vick, the Patriots without 9 starters and the Seahawks, who cannot beat anyone on the road. As Dan Daly wrote in the Times today, if Pennington and Vick play, the Redskins are 2-10. Anyone who saw Pennington last night knows the truth of that.

Exactly and if we beat the eagles like we should have, the Giants, the cowgirls, Carolina and the saints and Miami...All games that WE gave away, Then what, we're 6 games better. We did to the Pat's, Falcon's, adn Jet's what is expected of a good team. We bet em'. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Spence]

Bad teams give games away.

[Redskinmayhem]

Originally posted by Spence
Bad teams give games away.

You're 100% right there. That's why I primarily blame the players.

[Spence]

Originally posted by Redskinmayhem
You're 100% right there. That's why I primarily blame the players. Who got these players?

[Smiley]

Blame the entire organization, starting with Snyder. I'm tired of making excuses for this team. the players, coaches and management should take responsibility. This franchise is being ruined on eyear at a time. What will Danny do now? how about raiding another team for talent? He's clueless. F#!@# him.

[skins74]

Ultimately it starts with Danny boy and trickles down. It doesn't start with the players. It just don't work that way. Danny has made this frachise a laughing stock. He has made fatal error after fatal error. He has no clue on how to run a pro sports team. Neither does his brown nosed sidekick Vinny Cerrato. He fired Casserly, he brought in Jeff George, Deion, Bruce, Trotter and let go guys like Barber, Trent, Kalu and I think Lang was coming around. He needs to hire a GM who will have a plan.

[skins74]

To give you an example: The Lakers had Shaq, Kobe and a bunch of other good players but they couldn't win the big one until Phil Jackson came along. Their owner Jerry Buss left managing the team to Jerry West, he didn't undermine him, he just gave him the tools to be successful and he trusted him to do a good job. That is what Snyder is going to have to do. Get a GM, get a coach with an excellent track record and lets start building that winning tradition again!

[SkinsFan#1]

I'm sorry but anyone who can't see that with Snyder at the helm (no GM, no front office personel who knows anything about football) is ruining this team and franchise has got to be blind IMHO (no point intended toward anyone though on this board) this franchise in the last few seasons has had 4 HC's, we continue to bring in players who are suppose to help but the team continues to go backwards IMHO, (laugh all you want but I thought after the way we ended in 01' with Marty at the helm that that was something we could have built on the following season, but no Synder has to fire him and replace him with a HC who IMHO is only concerned with his system and scheme and not be a true HC of a football team in the NFL, seeing Spurrier on Comcast last night made me sick, he has no freakin clue how to coach a NFL team, and it seems as if he could care less with his responses, as many have stated until Synder learns that he can't make the personell moves that are needed to have a good team and hires a true football knowledgeable GM to do that type of stuff, this team will be continuely a 7-9 or 8-8 team at best IMHO, and for all this I do blame Synder and hold him completely responsible for the direction this team has taken.

[skins74]

Your # 1 for a reason #1.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by SkinsFan#1
I'm sorry but anyone who can't see that with Snyder at the helm (no GM, no front office personel who knows anything about football) is ruining this team and franchise has got to be blind IMHO (no point intended toward anyone though on this board) this franchise in the last few seasons has had 4 HC's, we continue to bring in players who are suppose to help but the team continues to go backwards IMHO, (laugh all you want but I thought after the way we ended in 01' with Marty at the helm that that was something we could have built on the following season, but no Synder has to fire him and replace him with a HC who IMHO is only concerned with his system and scheme and not be a true HC of a football team in the NFL, seeing Spurrier on Comcast last night made me sick, he has no freakin clue how to coach a NFL team, and it seems as if he could care less with his responses, as many have stated until Synder learns that he can't make the personell moves that are needed to have a good team and hires a true football knowledgeable GM to do that type of stuff, this team will be continuely a 7-9 or 8-8 team at best IMHO, and for all this I do blame Synder and hold him completely responsible for the direction this team has taken.

Preach on!

[Spearfeather]

I also think a GM would help things a lot...help everyone get on the same page...Snyder has made some bad decisions, and he admits that, but he did get Coles, Hall, Thomas and Morton to come here, and none of them are losing games for us. What do you think our record would be without Hall? Or Coles? Or without Thomas would Patrick Ramsey even be able to walk right now? J. George?...bad move. Bruce?...bad move. I'm not going to totally condemn him just yet...but he should hire a GM.

[skins74]

There is alot more to successfully managing a team then signing big names every year.

[LavarBabyDaddy]

First off I dont think anyone should be trashing snyder, he is the man. How can you hate an owner that will willingly go out and spend big bucks to get people. People in the league hate snyder cause he is like steinbrenner, so what if he might be a control freak, if you bought a team for 800 million, wouldnt you be? He just wants to win and there is nothing wrong with that? The only thing he needs to do is get some consistency in there. I mean who would you rather have owning the team, Jack Kent Cooke Jr? Who would have been a terrible owner because people would want him to be like his dad and he was cheap as hell. All I can say is they are taking steps in the right direction, we have the most profitable team in all of the NFL and in most of sports. Snyder is the man...I know I'll catch a lot of flack, but look how bad Cinci has been for a long time under Paul Brown, we should be happy we have an owner who cares and will shell out the $$$ for it.

[LavarBabyDaddy]

As an owner he is great and we could ask for nothing more, but he may not he a good GM, so maybe he should get one. Everyone out there who trashes him as an owner, is a poon, especially the whole fox pregame show, cept JB (cause he is a skins fan), cris collinsworth and terry bradshaw can eat a fat one...

[Spence]

In reference to the Cincinnati Bengals, I think you mean Mike Brown, the son of Paul Brown.

This entire discussion, LAVARBABYDADDY, is about Daniel Snyder the GM--not Daniel Snyder the owner. I don't mind Snyder spending a lot of money on the team, I just wish he spent it wisely. That's where a GM--someone who has devoted his entire professional life to the study of pro and college football--comes in. Snyder is trying to do something he is manifestly unqualified to do: Act as GM of an NFL franchise.

That's why we're complaining.

[LavarBabyDaddy]

Yeah thats why I added that on about the GM, I agree we should find a GM, but all I hear is Snyder bashing, it just gets me all pissed off. My B about the Bengals, what I do wish is that Marvin Lewis was the head coach

[SkinsKY]

There is a lot of fault to go around in this franchise. At every level there is something that needs to be corrected and could have been corrected by the people at that level (GM- Player acquistions, Coaches - playcalling/discipline, Players- making dumb mistakes at crucial points). The point is we have so much going wrong right now that we have no way to tell which way is up so we can right this ship although I suspect that we will need Snyder to shape up or ship out before this will be greatly corrected.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by LavarBabyDaddy
Yeah thats why I added that on about the GM, I agree we should find a GM, but all I hear is Snyder bashing, it just gets me all pissed off. My B about the Bengals, what I do wish is that Marvin Lewis was the head coach

Snyder, or any owner's involvement who has not played or coached the game, should be limited to making intelligent decisions regarding who to hire to make the football operation decisions, including coaching, and then step back and let the professional do his job, and sign paychecks. Snyder has shown no ability in this regard.

[Spence]

Originally posted by LavarBabyDaddy
what I do wish is that Marvin Lewis was the head coach You and me both, hombre.

[Scottyskins]

Sounds too much like The Angelo's era in Baltimore....Top to bottom in a few years.....and I root for them both. Sad!

[rskinsfan10]

Sounds like I may be the last of the Snyder supporters.

[VASkins]

theres no question that there is no owner in sports that wants to win as badly as dan snyder, for that im glad he is the owner of our redskins...while he's been here we have become the most profitable franchise in america, always sell out the stadium, and constantly make our presence felt in free agency and the draft, in short, this man wants to win. however, i do agree whole heartedly that we need a legitimate GM, i dont know if cerrato is calling all the shots as GM, who knows, i do know that i dont want snyder making football decisions. regardless, this man undoubtedly wants to bring the lombardi trophy back to where it rightfully deserves to be.

[Spence]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Sounds like I may be the last of the Snyder supporters. And Dorsey promised he'd win you over to our side within a week.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Sounds like I may be the last of the Snyder supporters.

I am too...so I'll keep you company.

(It's fun to root for the evil empire sometimes)
;)

[PennSkinsFan]

I am a Snyder fan, but I am not dilusional here. Snyder has been the GM for the past four out of five seasons, take away Marty year, and what has been the result? Where is the progress? He is a smart businessman, does he not question the return on investment? Snyder at some point needs to realize that he is as business smart as they come, perhaps even better than most, but football wise, personnel wise, he simply needs help, he just does not understand the business.

What is not to like when your owner is willing to spend, but my problem with the current spending pattern is:

1. There is a move to just go out and plug holes with names. Fact is, there needs to be a long term plan. lets get a plan and stick to it.

2. Snyder needs to stay out of team business during the season, it undermines the coach, and causes lack of respect. As for the Smith meeting, it should have never occurred. he should have simply told him to see the coach.

3. There need to be a plan for each and every position, short term and long term, and approach free agency and draft with that plan. If we knew Champ would be unaffordable two years ago, the move to replace him should have been in the past two drafts.

4. We don't always need to spend big $$$ on a hole position. Many teams win with not great playes, but just solid players.


Always remember, because i believe Daly made a vital poitn in his articl eont he Times...continuity is overrated. Continuity should only be continued when there is something worth continuing.

[NamVet4]

Continuity may be overrated. In the era of FA and no team loyalty, continuity has to be re-evaluated. While the players come and go, if there is contiuity of plan and acquisition by plan; consistency in the coaching ranks and minimal ownership interference then there is an arguement for continuity.
No one wants to see bad habits continued, you must learn from your mistakes and implement that knowledge in the form of constructive action.

(We now return you to your regularly scheduled football patter -That's it - I'm finished preaching for today! ;) )

[Skinzaholic]

I dont know about anyone else... but I have taken up to spending a few hours each day throwing a football in front of Dan Snyders house... who knows... could get me a contract... this work thing is killing me.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by NamVet4
Continuity may be overrated.

That may be true...but what do we say to people like Champ Bailey and Lavar Arrington who consistanly use "lack of continuity" as an excuse for bad performances or an excuse for not staying with the team?

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
That may be true...but what do we say to people like Champ Bailey and Lavar Arrington who consistanly use "lack of continuity" as an excuse for bad performances or an excuse for not staying with the team?

Easy, tell them to concentrate on their own performance. Just like Smoot said, it is not the coaches it is the PLAYERS, so when they speak about "continuity", respond with "consistency"

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Easy, tell them to concentrate on their own performance. Just like Smoot said, it is not the coaches it is the PLAYERS, so when they speak about "continuity", respond with "consistency"

I agree with both you and Smoot. However, the continual change in the coaching staff always gives our players excuses. No matter how much Lavar and Champ concentrate on their good (and bad) performances, they are constantly using it as an excuse.

Kudos to Smoot, by the way, for stepping up and taking some heat.