Does anyone else get the feeling...

[Spence]

...that Spurrier came here to win with the Fun 'n Gun or not at all? I can still recall his first press conference, where he said he was coming to [and I'm paraphrasing here] "see if my style of football will work in the NFL."

Well, here's a question: What if it becomes clear that his style of football will NOT work in the NFL? What then? Does he adjust or does he just go down with the ship? The New Orleans game leads me to believe he has decided to win or lose with his Fun 'n Gun and damn everything else. Maybe he'll prove me wrong against the Giants on Sunday, but right now, I think there is some credence to my "Fun 'n Gun or Bust" theory.

[DallasSux]

i think they have ran the ball a lot more but they still lose.

[Patrick]

Tom, that a good question but (and I'm not defending him or it) the “Fun-N-Gun” is not his term even though we have let the media make us believe that. In fact, I recall an interview, which he stated that he "hates that reference". Never the less ........ I think he has to deviate from his style for a while and resort back to it when the opportunity is right. I really believe that he attempted that Sunday and IF it weren't for a couple of over thrown passes and two drops we'd all be a little happier this week. I don't think he'll do anything different this week simply because he's close to making it work. Unfortunately close in his system does not get you wins.

[RedskinsDave]

I think you're probably right Tom. He seems willing to lose with the pass versus winning with the run. He adjusted for a few games but he didn't like it.

[SkinsFan#1]

I firmly believe the only reason Spurrier left his job in Fla for the Skins was to see if his brand of Football could work in the NFL, (with what he said in his 1st interview after getting the job and just a few weeks ago in the Sunday Night Conservation on ESPN, didn't he say something on the lines of he left Fla because he thought the time was right and to see if it "his scheme" could work?) I firmly think that Spurrier has no clue on how to adjust to the NFL Defense's week in and week out, playing in the NFL isn't like the days of Ole' where Fla played teams like: "Little Sisters of the Poor U." and IMHO his style of Football in the NFL anyways doesn't impress me 1 bit, what is so special about this supposed great offense that Spurrier brings?

[TexSkin]

I will give Snyder this...he gave the man the tools that he asked for. He got the RB type he wanted, got the Speedy playmaking WR and a better line. Also a Smart tought QB. So what excuse does he really have?

[NamVet4]

I have yet to see anything closely resembling what the media calls the "Fun 'N Gun"... or whatever..:banghead:
I asked a few threads back if anyone thought Spurrier was implementing his plan or just making it up on the fly. I don't know what to think anymore, honestly. :smash:

I still believe he needs another year. If he is a failure next season = more losses than wins by mid-season, then I will lead the charge to throw his sorry a$$ out of here.

If he shows adaptability in the final games of this season, that would be a good sign... if its more of the same "aw shucks, foot scuffling, mind numbing" play calling that leads to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, then I am completely at a loss.

:confused:

[truant]

I'm with NamVet4.

One more year.

This year there are some excuses.

Ramsey being injured all year and he is a second year QB
Around 1/3 of the team is new
Horrendous personell on the D-line

The defense lost the last two games for us. That is the problem now. Is it Edwards or the D-line hinders everyone else's game? A combo likely... but we will have a couple of new starters on the D-line next year, Bruce will be gone, and maybe Edwards too.

... whatever

playoffs or bust next year

[Spence]

Originally posted by TexSkin
I will give Snyder this...he gave the man the tools that he asked for. He got the RB type he wanted, got the Speedy playmaking WR and a better line. Also a Smart tought QB. So what excuse does he really have? That's my feeling as well. I don't know if those were the best moves to make [especially since nothing was done about the defensive line], but those were the moves Spurrier wanted. Snyder supported his coach there.

[Spence]

Originally posted by NamVet4
I have yet to see anything closely resembling what the media calls the "Fun 'N Gun"... or whatever..:banghead:
I asked a few threads back if anyone thought Spurrier was implementing his plan or just making it up on the fly. I don't know what to think anymore, honestly. :smash: Well, I think Spurrier has installed his system [whether you want to call it Fun 'n Gun or not], but it is not always easy to recognize because it does not look anything like what we all saw at Florida. The reason, I think, is that it worked at Florida and does not work here. It looks like the same system to me, just working far more imperfectly.

[Spence]

Originally posted by truant
This year there are some excuses.

Ramsey being injured all year You have some points, but I think Ramsey's injuries are largely a consequence of the poor pass protection schemes Spurrier is using. Certainly there were cases of Ramsey holding on to the ball too long, but I've seen an awful lot of blitzers coming in untouched and unblocked this year. That's usually a scheme problem.

[Odyn]

Hmmmm. That's an excellent point. It shows that maybe Spurrier won't adapt. In that case, I am all for getting a new head coach. We have a tough situation here right now.To be a head coach in the NFL you need to be able to adapt. That's the same reason why Marty only lasted a year here.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by Odyn
Hmmmm. That's an excellent point. It shows that maybe Spurrier won't adapt. In that case, I am all for getting a new head coach. We have a tough situation here right now.To be a head coach in the NFL you need to be able to adapt. That's the same reason why Marty only lasted a year here.

Man, the only thing Marty couldn't adapt to was his owners desire to have a flashy offense. Marty is one of the top 10 winningest coaches in NFL history, so clearly he did something right and I am sure he adapted so far as his personnel would allow.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Marty's outdated. He may have won a lot of games before, but so did the Wing-T offense.

[Brokenstriker]

I do Spence ... he's going to prove or fail to prove that his system wins games ... it won't be a different system ... it won't be a function of the player (no stars in the system) ...it won't be a function of the opponent's weaknesses ... its just going to be his system ...

And I just don't think the system has a chance in hell. I'd love to see him adapt ... and I need to see him take charge of the "team" and not just the play-calling and QB coaching ... the signs of ruin abound ... nobody seems to be holding the bar higher for the players ... and I think that's because for spurrier its not about the players ... just the system.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Marty's outdated. He may have won a lot of games before, but so did the Wing-T offense.

Well, compared to Spurrier, he must have adapted pretty well, 'cause I stilll think he did better, as evidenced by his record, with less talent.

[Odyn]

I would love to find out from Marvin Lewis if Spurrier's system will ever work or for that matter if Spurrier will make it in the NFL. He would know after being with a successful coach like Billick in Baltimore. That is the phone call that Snyder should make.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

You can say that, Duke, but he's sitting at 2-8 right now.

[Spence]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
You can say that, Duke, but he's sitting at 2-8 right now. 2-10, actually, but that's nothing. He's #32 in the hR Power Poll and that's the real problem.

[skins74]

It hasn't worked and it won't work. He has toned down the Fun and give me a Gun quite a bit and I think he is miserable running the ball this much. His brand doesn't work, I wished it would but it ain't going to happen. The last few weeks we have not been watching the F&G its more like the west coast offense.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Whoops, bad math there. I meant 2-10 of course, I just, uh... I wanted to be nice to him. Yeah.

Anyway, it's sort of looked like the West Coast offense, but not really. I don't think it's much of anything right now. I'd like to see a Coryell disciple get in here and do something.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
You can say that, Duke, but he's sitting at 2-8 right now.

Aside from RB and defensive line, I'd say the 'Skins are pretty much better at every position. My point is that while the 'Skins coach, Schott did more with less, and let's face it, the prospects for the next year looked a lot better then than now.

[PennSkinsFan]

We need a good blocking TE.

[kempcolts]

I think Stevie boy is still thinking SEC, Div I and not NFL, Pro level, he seems to state the obvious in his interviews (i.e. We are just not very good right now) no kidding, makes you kind of wonder what the half time talks are about? However I'm a optimist and I believe Stevie can fix this and start tossing it around some and get us a much needed victory.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by kempcolts
However I'm a optimist and I believe Stevie can fix this and start tossing it around some and get us a much needed victory.

Well...expect him to air it out on Sunday. The Giant's secondary is extremely beaten up...and many of their starters won't even play.

Ramsey threw for about 350 on them the first time, and Spurrier won't forget how well the passing game worked for us in that game. (Especially if they are even more beaten up inthe backfield)

[LuvSkins17]

I don't know about all of this stuff about the system and all that and getting the people you want etc....

I don't believe in all that.

Don't get me wrong,.... I used to...............

It's sad to say but Marvin Lewis and "The Tuna" have blown that theory out of the water. (In a major Freakin way!!!!!)

I mean Parcell complained about the team and the players and he made them win.........

Marvin Lewis just quietly coached those guys and a better coach made the same players a better team.

I don't know how much time they put in,.... I don't know if they kicked but coaching in college,... I would have rather had a taste of Beamer Ball instead of the "Fun and None".

17

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by LuvSkins17
I don't know about all of this stuff about the system and all that and getting the people you want etc....

I don't believe in all that.

Don't get me wrong,.... I used to...............

It's sad to say but Marvin Lewis and "The Tuna" have blown that theory out of the water. (In a major Freakin way!!!!!)


Don't forget that for every Parcells and Marvin Lewis success story in 2004, there are also Bill Cowher and John Gruden disspointments as well.

Cowher and Gruden are both STRONG willed coaches who demand and expect good performances from their players. Their players love them...and their town loves them. Yet, both have losing records.

This is the type of NFL where Lewis and Parcells could both have losing seasons next year...while the Browns and Cardinals could meet in the Super Bowl.

It's baffling...but that is the way the NFL is...

[Spence]

Gruden's problems in Tamp are difficult to understand, but there is no mystery to why Cowher is struggling in Pittsburgh: the team just isn't very good. The Steelers have been in decline for several years now and this year it just all fell apart. Jerome Bettis is old and no one has stepped up to replace him. Tommy Maddox has been unable to replicate his dream season of 2002. The defensive backfield is an embarrassing mess. Cowher is a fine coach. It's just time for the Steelers to rebuild.

[NamVet4]

And if by some quirk, the "Old Ball Coach is gone at the end of this season, I wouldn't mind seeing Bill Cowher come to the Redskins................ just a thought :)

[LavarBabyDaddy]

Is there anyway we can trade a draft pick for marvin lewis?

[Spence]

Originally posted by NamVet4
And if by some quirk, the "Old Ball Coach is gone at the end of this season, I wouldn't mind seeing Bill Cowher come to the Redskins................ just a thought :) I'd love to have Cowher here if the Steelers are stupid enough to fire him. As for Marvin Lewis, that ship has sailed.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Spence
As for Marvin Lewis, that ship has sailed.


That is a ship we should've been on. instead of the
SS can't coach out of a paper bag