Harris vs. Wilfork

[Texas Skin]

With the #5 pick overall it is hopeful the Skins will address one of their biggest needs.....Defensive Tackle. I have looked over alot of mocks and read several draft forums with Vince Wilfork has the #1 DT, then you'll see it flip-flop with Tommie Harris being #1. Assuming both these DT's are still on the board at #5, who is your preferred Tackle to draft? Who's better and who fits our need the best?

Vince Wilfork, 6-2, 345, Miami
Tommie Harris, 6-3, 285, Oklahoma

From what I've seen Tommie Harris seems to be the Top Dog right now. I can't wait to watch the Sugar and the Orange bowl.
Also from what I hear is Wilfork is more of a Run-stuffing DT while Harris is a faster pass-rusher. We really need both styles and capabilities. Obviously we will draft the better Tackle, but who will that be in April.

If you have opinions or stats to offer on these guys please express it here.

[Texas Skin]

Okay I read that Harris article and it said his stats are 34 tackles, nine for loss, and four sacks. Keep in mind through-out the season this guy was So doubled & tripled teamed.

[dj_stouty]

I wish Tommie was a little heavier...but I think he is stilll tops in talent.

I think I need to watch these upcoming bowl games carefully to get a good idea about which of these big guys would be best for our draft position...

[Texas Skin]

Yeah you kind wish he was at least 300 lbs. to help plug up our interior line. But if we drafted Harris we could always go after a Big FA DT for the other slot like a Traylor at 340 lbs. I wonder if Harris has a special off-season diet, you know he will still want those fast 40 times and all.

[Skaggsrules]

I think we need a guy the plug up blockers so LaVar can do his thing, which is why I think Wilfork will be our choice

[Odyn]

I'm thinking the same thing skaggs.

[HollywoodKolt]

I dunno a DT like Harris only comes along once in a while. This guy is tremendous. Three year starter (he's only a junior) at OU. True he's a little smaller than most would like but he can bulk up plus he runs a 4.67 fourty. That is simply tremendous. I say take harris

[Ford]

So you want Wilfork because he's fat? .. basically sounds like what you're saying. Tommie Harris would let LaVar and company roam far more than Wilfork .. as he commands several blockers at a time to keep the quarterback safe. Really doesn't take that much to block Wilfork, ask Rich .. he's watched more miami football than any of us.

[bigcmr]

It depends who is running the D next year.

[Brett A]

Harris is as big as the Cowboys Glover and he is in the Pro-Bowl

[Ford]

Originally posted by Brett A
Harris is as big as the Cowboys Glover and he is in the Pro-Bowl

Glover gets great penetration and puts pressure on the QB .. wilfork does not.

[dj_stouty]

Watching last night's Orange Bowl, I noticed that Wilfork gets a great jump on the line...and can typically handle a double team...but he is absolutly ZERO threat to the QB. None....

I think he can stuff the middle of the line...and I think his strong suit is run stopping...but our Skins needs a DT who can blow up the O-line and put pressure on the QB consistantly from the Tackle position.

[Semiskin]

Isn't Harris only a junior. Putting weight on shouldn't be that hard one's he gets to the pro's. Wilfork on the other hand seems to be a a little to overweight, and that kind of scares me.

[Texas Skin]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
Watching last night's Orange Bowl, I noticed that Wilfork gets a great jump on the line...and can typically handle a double team...but he is absolutly ZERO threat to the QB. None....

I think he can stuff the middle of the line...and I think his strong suit is run stopping...but our Skins needs a DT who can blow up the O-line and put pressure on the QB consistantly from the Tackle position.

I watched the Orange bowl last night and kept my eyes on #75 Wilfork and little bit on Sean Taylor as well. DID Y'ALL SEE THAT HIT WILFORK MADE IN THE BACK FIELD ON THAT F.S. HALFBACK? It was an incredible crush with like 340+ pounds on top of him, the one thing the announcers talked about Wilfork is how well he does move considering his size and all. Other than that hit he wasn't spectacular. Next up: SUGAR BOWL and hopfully a huge game by Tommie Harris.

[VirginiaRedskin]

I sometimes think that we all, scouts, coaches, fans (including myself) get far too caught up in the ideal size, weight, bench and 40 time of draftees. I know that 285 is a little lighter than the Sapp mold for a DT, but I think his football ability might be higher than Wilfork's at this time. I also follow a lot of college football. When I look at the two prospects, I think that although OU has a great defense, the opposing team puts a lot of focus on stopping Harris. When a team plays Miami, they certainly do not overlook Wilfork, but do not double and triple him as much. Watch OU tomorrow night and tell me what you think.

[Semiskin]

VARedskin, I believe that Harrie is only about 15 pounds lighter than Sapp's listed playing weight but Harris also has about an inch on Sapp's listed height.

[Ford]

Harris has room to gain weight, but it would probably cost him some speed .. and he wants to keep his weight down until after the spring trials so he can run a better 40 ... basically what they all seem to do. But there are alot of people out there who think Harris could be a dominant end in the NFL .. he's got the speed, he's great at getting to the passer from the inside .. it might just work.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Why shift him to end when we need a tackle just as badly?

[Odyn]

I'll take Wilfork because he is from a professional team....Miami

[Redskinfan28]

We need an impact DL, where it be at DT or DE. Harris seems to be able to play each position, which may be useful in different packages. His weight is a concern at DT.

[BigCountry]

Originally posted by Odyn
I'll take Wilfork because he is from a professional team....Miami

Then how come Miami isn't the best team in COLLEGE?

[JoeDaSchmoe]

The more I gather info, the more I lean towards Harris. He seems to be exactly what we need.

[Odyn]

Harris? Would you like to say that now?

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I'm not sure what you're asking.

[Patrick]

What he saying was T Harris was in the spot light last night and did nothing. I think that Harris and Wilfork have flipped position on most draft board (except Ford's). ...... I'm not saying Harris won't be good in the NFL but he's at least 2 years away.

[Rogers_Redskins]

I woulkd take either in the draft, they are both better than the current d-lineman we got now.

[RichardBradley]

Harris overns alot of plays he dosent play with any disaplin.... Reminds me of Dan Wilkenson

[RichardBradley]

Originally posted by BigCountry
Then how come Miami isn't the best team in COLLEGE?


Take it easy now.... Whats #1
#2
#5

What Miami has finished the last 3 years ... Looks like the best team in college to me

[dj_stouty]

Wilfork and Harris both had subpar performances in their respective games. However, looking over the entire season, I'd go with Harris...and I'm starting to think using the #5 pick on him would be wise.

[BigCountry]

Right now it's a dispute between 2 or maybe 3 teams (if you're a homer) and Miami isn't one of them.

[VirginiaRedskin]

I will be the first to admit that Harris did not play particularly well last night (like the entire OU team). He has not shown up big in his last two big games, KSU and LSU. However, Wilfork's weight still scares me.

[bjohns]

Neither - take Sean Taylor. Guaranteed Pro-Bowler and we are very weak at safety. There will be a number of quality lineman available with our early second round pick that have just as good a chance to succeed as Wilfork/Harris. I'd even take Kellen Winslow at another weak position for us (TE). None of these lineman look like a sure thing to me - remember DT DeWayne Robertson last year at number 4 i think - maybe he'll grow but no impact in year 1. Winslow and Taylor are! And if you're thinking RB, forget about it. I still like Betts and maybe a DURABLE tier 2 back in free agency.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Forget about an RB? Are you kidding? Do you remember how effective our ground game was this year?

[akhhorus]

Harris is a Finesse player, but Wolfolk is a Sapp clone (but bigger). I'd rather take Wolfolk, he a mauler of a player

[JoeDaSchmoe]

But Wilfork just doesn't get to the QB.

[bjohns]

Joe,
What I remember about the running game is the running backs were riddled with injuries and their wasn't a strong commitment to it. I prefer not to spend the #5 on this crop. I still think Betts can be effective and I hope he can stay healthier next year. We should add some talent but it wouldn't be my top priority. A strong o-line can make a decent back very productive.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Betts makes Fred Taylor look like a specimen of perfect health, and has missed team meetings to boot.