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Semiskin
01-05-2004, 10:36 AM
1. Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss (6-4, 210)
2. Roy Williams, WR, Texas (6-4, 213)
3. Ben Roethlisberger (jr.), QB, Miami-Ohio (6-5, 245)
4. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa (6-7, 318)

5. Sean Taylor (jr.), S, Miami-Florida (6-2¼, 225)
Taylor is to the safety spot at Miami what Ray Lewis was to the middle-linebacker position. He follows in the footsteps of former Miami safeties Bennie Blades, Darryl Williams and Ed Reed (all were first-round picks). I expect Taylor to be even better. In fact, he could be the best safety in the NFL early in his career. Taylor is the prototypical Pro Bowl safety: tremendous speed, a nose for the ball, aggressive, a great tackler and terrific in coverage (team-leading nine interceptions). He has such tremendous instincts and awareness. Worthy of being a top-five pick.

6. Kellen Winslow Jr. (jr.), TE, Miami-Florida (6-4¼, 250)
The NFL tight-end position has been redefined and expanded in recent years by guys like Todd Heap, Jeremy Shockey and Tony Gonzalez. Winslow is in that mold as well. He has the speed, athleticism and pass-receiving skill usually reserved for a wide receiver. Miami's quarterback play in 2003 was erratic, which affected Winslow's production, but he'll provide an unbelievable dimension to an NFL passing game. He can be careless in terms of ball security, so he'll need to be aware of that at the next level. Like his teammate, safety Sean Taylor, Winslow is worthy of being a top-five pick.

7. Will Smith, DE, Ohio State (6-3½, 255)
Smith is an excellent natural pass rusher with great closing speed. He was the headliner on the Buckeyes' stellar defensive front seven during last season's national-championship run (recording 10½ tackles for loss and 4½ sacks). Had he declared for the 2003 draft, he probably would have been a late first-rounder. In '04 he's a likely early first-round pick.

8. Reggie Williams (jr.), WR, Washington (6-3½, 218)
9. Shawn Andrews (jr.), OT, Arkansas (6-5, 360)

10. Steven Jackson (jr.), RB, Oregon State (6-2, 231)
Jackson is a tremendous blend of quickness and power. While he isn't as shifty or elusive as smaller backs, he runs with power and makes defenders miss with his athleticism. Jackson also has ability and versatility as a receiving option (39 receptions in 2003 to go with his 1,396 rushing yards). He does damage in the open field and has a nose for the end zone (15 rushing TDs plus two receiving TDs). Jackson gets better as the game goes along.

11. Kevin Jones (jr.), RB, Virginia Tech (5-11½, 210)
Jones is an explosive runner with game-breaking speed. In the open field, few cornerbacks can catch him. He has the ability to stop on a dime and change direction. Plus, he's a good pass-receiver out of the backfield and is a strong blocker, making him a complete player. A tremendous natural athlete, Jones was highly recruited out of high school. In fact, he was seen by most as the nation's best high-school running back in his class. The only concern is that his running style is a bit upright, but he's excelled despite an average offensive line (except for center Jake Grove, who is outstanding).

12. Jonathan Vilma, LB, Miami-Florida (6-2, 230)
13. D.J. Williams, OLB, Miami-Florida (6-2, 240)

14. Ben Troupe, TE, Florida (6-4¼, 260)
Troupe is an imposing figure and a gifted athlete. In 2003, he hauled in 39 receptions, averaging 16.4 yards per catch with five TDs. Last season, he caught just 15 passes while sharing time with current NFL tight end Aaron Walker. As Troupe maximizes his ability and refines his pass-catching game, he will become a high-quality NFL tight end. Coming into the season, I envisioned him as a first- or second-round draft choice. Now, I expect him to be a solid first-rounder.

15. Karlos Dansby, OLB, Auburn (6-4, 225)
16. J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane (6-2½, 220)
17. Will Poole, CB, USC (5-11, 190)
18. Philip Rivers, QB, N.C. State (6-4½, 230)
19. DeAngelo Hall (jr.), CB, Virginia Tech (5-10½, 196)
20. Dwan Edwards, DT, Oregon State (6-2½, 308)
21. Jake Grove, C, Virginia Tech (6-3, 300)
22. Ricardo Colclough, CB, Tusculum (5-11, 186) |
23. Chris Perry, RB, Michigan (6-0½, 225)
24. Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina (5-11, 188)

These are all seniors or juniors who have declared for the draft. Notice Vince Wilfork is not on the list. Tommie Harris is not on here because he has yet to declare. There were blurbs for each player but I decided to omit them because it is from a pay site, only left them in for players who I thought would be of interest to us.

Skinzaholic
01-05-2004, 10:41 AM
Great info... thanks Semi!

Semiskin
01-05-2004, 10:47 AM
After seeing what I saw from Harris last night, I must say I wasn't impressed, and he has yet to declare yet either. Vince Wilfork's weight worries me a little too.

Which leads me to my next point. I think we would be best off addressing the D-Line through FA and maybe later on in the draft. After seeing what I saw from Sean Taylor and reading what Kiper wrote, why not take a player who could be the best at his position in the league? Instead of taking possbile question marks. If this is not the case, I would not be opposed to trading down either.

RichardBradley
01-05-2004, 11:09 AM
Harris should stay in school after the way he got manhandled in his last two games

BigCountry
01-05-2004, 01:50 PM
I would have been interested to say what he blurbed on Dwan Edwards from Oregon State. He was very prouctive this year and is seemingly flying up everyone's boards.

dj_stouty
01-05-2004, 03:04 PM
I assume once Harris declares for the draft, Kiper will put him on the list fairly high...

Regardless...this is NOT a D-lineman heavy draft as it has been in other years. (Which sucks for us!) I'm starting to wonder if we should consider Sean Taylor if he is available....

Semiskin
01-05-2004, 03:41 PM
Here you go BC:

20. Dwan Edwards, DT, Oregon State (6-2½, 308)
Previous ranking: 17
Edwards was arguably the Pac-10's best defensive lineman in 2003. He's quick, explosive and disruptive behind the line of scrimmage despite being consistently double-teamed. He creates a steady inside push and is effective against the run as well as the pass. His tremendous athletic ability enabled him to quietly have a great year in the Pac-10.

HollywoodKolt
01-05-2004, 06:48 PM
For anybody who is interested here are Kiper's takes on Wilfork and Harris from is top Juniors list.


1. Tommie Harris, Oklahoma -- Harris has been a fixture at DT since his freshman year and dominated along the front this year. Can use brute force to occupy blockers at the point of attack and at 6-3, 280 he has the quickness to get off blocks. A top-five overall pick if he declares.

5. Vince Wilfork, Miami (Fla.) -- Has turned heads since early in his career but needs to drop 15-20 pounds from his 6-1, 360-pound frame. Short arms are also a concern against the taller offensive linemen in the NFL.

Ford
01-05-2004, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by RichardBradley
Harris should stay in school after the way he got manhandled in his last two games

Wilfork should find a gas station to work at the way he's gotten manhandled his entire career.

Semiskin
01-05-2004, 07:00 PM
Wilfork at least played well against FSU but as somebody said before he'll eat himself out of the league. He's put on about 3-35 lbs in the last two years.

Harris went almost unmentioned yesterday, I thought he wasn't even on the field at some points in the game. I wouldn't be surprised if Harris stays in school another year, after his past two performances, he just seems to raw. He seems like a work in progress something we definitely don't need. We need someone who will come in and contribute right away.

RichardBradley
01-05-2004, 07:01 PM
Yeah I know Buy Wilfolk is leaving school with a National Championship Ring is Harris

JoeDaSchmoe
01-05-2004, 07:12 PM
What about Will Smith?

Ford
01-05-2004, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by RichardBradley
Yeah I know Buy Wilfolk is leaving school with a National Championship Ring is Harris

That's a rediculous statement .. Wilfork didn't start a single game when Miami won the title .. that's like saying Teddy Lehman left OU with a national championship .. which he did .. and acting like it means something even though Rocky Calmus was starting in his place then.

Odyn
01-05-2004, 09:09 PM
Now you guys have me between a rock and a hard place on who is the clear cut man to draft. I guess that it all will depend on the upcoming months. The main factors are:
Hiring of HC and assistants
February workouts for upcoming draftees
Free Agency

Right now is the transitional period between these upcoming events. This site will soon become overflowed with varying opinions.

Semiskin
01-05-2004, 09:49 PM
Right now there are no clear cut favorites. We also have to wait until the combine and see waht kind of craziness unfolds there. Just look at Terrell Suggs he was supposed to be a top 3 pick, he fell out of the top 10 and was Def. Rookie of the years, and then you also have the Mike Mamula's of the world.

JoeDaSchmoe
01-05-2004, 09:54 PM
Yeah, Odyn, we've got a long ways to go. Hell, by the time the draft rolls around we might not be clamoring for a D-lineman at all. If we signed Robaire Smith, Daryl Gardener, and Grant Winstrom, most people would probably be arguing between Kevin Jones and Sean Taylor.

Patrick
01-06-2004, 05:38 AM
The top four DT in this draft all should have their downsides listed frist. The one with the most potenial is R. Starks but I'm not sure he's coming out. ............. Once again, trade down that #5, with a lower #1, go with Edwards or Starks (if he comes out), get RB with our high #2 and another DL with the second #2. Chad Lavalais would be a good choice.

Semiskin
01-06-2004, 08:16 AM
Does anyone know if we have a head of scouting? Or do Vinny and Dan do all the scouting themselves?

bjohns
01-06-2004, 06:14 PM
Kellen Winslow, Eli Manning and Sean Taylor are the can't miss future pro-bowl players. Others are a crap shoot. Taylor or Winslow! Both play at weak positions for us. Remember the differences between this defense and the one that finished in the top ten for 3-4 consecutive years are good coaching and adequate defensive tackles. Redskins had Wilkinson and Stublefield at one point in the run - how imposing is that! The sentiment that we have to draft a defensive player witht he first pick is overplayed - Winslow should be considered strongly.

thehitman29
01-09-2004, 12:06 PM
Vinny Cerrato is Sortof the head of scouting. He's the V.P. of Player Personnel, so he manages all of our scouts. I'm not sure how many actual scouts we have globetrotting for us though.

To the next post... I don't see Kellen Winslow as the same type of TE that Coach Gibbs normally put on the field. Plus he looks at character of the person too. Kellen Winslow is a hothead. He's selfish and childish. I don't think he would be a good fit here. Ben Troupe would be our best bet for drafting a TE IMHO.

Redskinfan28
01-10-2004, 04:41 PM
Neither Harris not wilfork look to be worthy of a top 5 pick. Maybe we trade down.

Redskinfan28
01-11-2004, 03:50 PM
You guys still seem to be harping on character guys. there is a difference between someone who gives everything he has on the field and is a jerk, hothead, or all mouth off the field, and I guy that doesn't produce on the field to his potential. Gibba has always had the former (i.e Manley, Clark).

I think Gibbs would love Winslow.

kaiser
01-12-2004, 02:27 AM
A TE isn't worth a #5 pick, and neither is a safety - they just won't impact on the game enough! We need quality on our DL, or else we'll really have problems!

Bigskinsfan
01-12-2004, 06:02 PM
None of the D in this draft will be close to a great player in the first two years. Both Sean Taylor and Winslow have a much greater chance of having an impact this year. Both are worth a #5 pick. both will be all pros for many years

JoeDaSchmoe
01-12-2004, 11:34 PM
And then, when Winslow is sitting on the bench watching as Jamal Lewis tears through our D-line for yet another 8-yard gain, or Sean Taylor is getting trucked by the very same Jamal Lewis tearing through our D-line for yet another 8-yard gain, you'll be wondering what went wrong.

Patrick
01-13-2004, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
And then, when Winslow is sitting on the bench watching as Jamal Lewis tears through our D-line for yet another 8-yard gain, or Sean Taylor is getting trucked by the very same Jamal Lewis tearing through our D-line for yet another 8-yard gain, you'll be wondering what went wrong.

I won't, because I'll know that someone FU*KED up and drafted a hot head with a name. But then again we need another HotHead on the team to fire up that great D-Line.

RichardBradley
01-13-2004, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by kaiser
A TE isn't worth a #5 pick, and neither is a safety - they just won't impact on the game enough! We need quality on our DL, or else we'll really have problems!


I guess you haven't seen Shockey play or Roy Williams?

Bigskinsfan
01-13-2004, 10:27 AM
Should we draft suspect talent at D line? The problem with last years D line was more a function of poor coaching and poor line sceme. just because we draft not DL does not mean it will not be addressed. I think it would be far better to address the DL in FA rather than the draft