Trotter for Kearse

[PennSkinsFan]

Please vote

[SkinsCT]

Absolutely, no question. Their cap numbers would be relatively similar as well, so we wouldn't be that much worse off. Kearse is much more a gamebreaker than Trotter.

[Redskinmayhem]

I voted yes.

[rskinsfan10]

No, I wouldn't. Cap space can be found elsewhere IMO.

Great poll question BTW Mark.

[HollywoodKolt]

I voted no because I don't think it makes sense to create a hole to fill one. Trotter is a guy who we dished out the big bucks for and his production has been slowed by system change and injury. I believe that Gregg Williams runs an attacking defense that should suit Trotter well. You might say that K-mitch can be as good as Trotter but I don't see it. Plus anyone who complains about Trotter's speed should not want K-mitch to start.

As for Kearse ever since he hurt his ankle he's been made of glass. No question he's better a gamebreaker but he's not the most durable of game breaker. I'd Much Rather have Trotter

[JoeDaSchmoe]

No. Let's clear this up, folks. You're all saying that we can't trade Trotter because his cap hits will be accelerated to this year. The same thing happens if we cut him. There is no difference. Not only that, but Kearse plays about 8 games a year.

[Brett A]

Also to keep Trotter for 2004 cost 3.7million against the cap To cut him cost 5.0 million on the cap How is this creating cap room?

Brett

[Yudolindo]

Sure, but I don't think it will come down to that.

[REAGANOMICS]

We need Trotter, Kearse gets hurt too often. Udeze is the best D-end prospect in this year's draft, bar NONE!!!!!! We can't afford not to draft d-line and we can't afford to let a talented, productive lineman with a great upside to slip by....he is the next Kearse, only healthier and better against the run!!

[skins74]

Aaaahhhh like yeah!

[IowaSkinsFan]

I would, but I don't think the two are related. I think Williams scheme, if he sticks with an attacking "46" style defense, will suit Trotter better.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
No, I wouldn't. Cap space can be found elsewhere IMO.

Great poll question BTW Mark.

EXACTLY ................. and not only that, watching the way he got handle in that Baltimore game ... HELL, we got guys now who can get throw around like that (and don't get injuried).

[Spence]

Yes. Easiest call I've had to make in a while.

[Jon Creveling]

Tough poll~question! Wimped out and didn't vote. There was times last year I actually missed Derek Smith(who I never realy liked). Can K. Mitchell play the middle? Sure he can, but say they trade Trotter, would you feel going into the season that the position is well covered? Can Williams make the most out of Trotter? I'd forget about a trade for these two. Would I love Kearse on our team>sure! Think the better thing to do would be to search high and low in the draft for a guy they feel is a sleeper! Some how some way we need a new DEX!

[PennSkinsFan]

No way. Same exact scenario that other have argued about leaving Champ go. Why fill a hole by opening another hole. Trotter led the team in tackles this year, played well, and will excel with a more disciplined approach under Gregg Williams. I woudl love to have Kearse, and we can do it with other cap space, but not specifically by cutting Trotter. It just does not make any kind fo sense whatsoever.

[Spence]

Mark, a pass rushing defensive end is probably our biggest need right now. Trotter for Kearse is a reasonable move to me. Of course, I don't think it needs to come to that. Trotter can probably be convinced to redo his contract, spreading out the money and lowering his cap hit, so that we can acquire a top pass rusher. I'd lose Trotter to get Kearse, but that does not mean I think it is necessary. It isn't always a zero-sum game.

[dj_stouty]

Yes, Kearse missed a ton of games last year, but he only missed two games this year....and despite that...he still managed plenty of sacks (9.5) and forced fumbles (4). (Unfortunately, NFL.com doesn't track "hurries" or "knockdowns"..but if they did, Kearse would be right up there in those categories...)

He has only 5 seasons under his belt so far...so his career is far from over. I'd like the trade, personally...

[NamVet4]

I voted no for a different, albeit perhaps strange reason.
I think the Team needs to keep the LB corps intact this season....
There are other areas that definitely need improvement. With all the changes, at least the LB corps, even with a new coach, will still be together! Not necessary to learn about another new player.....
my 2 cents.......

[SkinsKY]

I voted no because I think we can get Kearse and keep Trotter. Trotter has been our best blitzing linebacker and if Williams wants to attack, then we would need him. For those who want to trade him, who would replace him. I don't think Mitchell would be able to fill those shoes.

[RichardBradley]

I voted no because I beleive that Trotter will be back in the pro Bowl next year playiong behind a better Defensive line

[TexSkin]

Kearse is a risk with all his injuries....hmm tough one

[skins74]

Trotter has been our best blitzing LB? I think he has the least amount of sacks out of the 3 of em.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

id say no. i would address the d-line need in the draft before going after kearse. he is hurt too often would cost more than a draft pick IMO.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by skins74
Trotter has been our best blitzing LB? I think he has the least amount of sacks out of the 3 of em.

I don't think sacks measures the blitzing ability of a LB. I recall several times when he made stops behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd and short. He was blitzing then. I haven't seen Lavar blitz well unless he goes untouched. If a lineman gets a hand on him, he's done. He doesn't have any moves other than speed. He should practice at least one day a week as a DE even if he only plays LB because that would give him something else to use as a move.

[Skinzaholic]

Although I really dont like Trotter... I voted No simply due to financial concerns.

[RedskinRyan]

the thing that pisses me off is that kearse broke his foot LAST year, and people are calling him injury prone. his sacks this year is prolly equal to our dline's combined. im fine with kevin mitchell playing mlb if we can get kearse.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by RedskinRyan
his sacks this year is prolly equal to our dline's combined.

Actually, Ryan...that statement is pretty close to being on the mark!

Smith~ 5 Sacks
Holsey~ 2.5 Sacks
Wynn~ 2 Sacks
Dalton~ 1 Sack
Upshaw~ 1 Sack
Zellner~ 1 Sack
Chase~ 0 Sacks
Haley~ 0 Sacks
Russell~ 0 Sacks

Total Skins D-Line: 12.5 Sacks

Jevon Kearse~ 9.5 Sacks

Jevon had 3 less sacks than our entire D-Line Corp. Our entire D-line Corp. It goes to show that we desperately NEED a pass rush in DC!

[Keino]

Originally posted by RichardBradley
I voted no because I beleive that Trotter will be back in the pro Bowl next year playiong behind a better Defensive line

I agree. He played well 1 year removed from an ACL injury. That is a 2 year injury and he should be back at full speed next season with better tackles in front of him.

[petman88]

no

[ddilbeck]

This is a really tough one. As much as I think Trotter has been an underachiever since we got him, I think he can be a great middle linebacker in a better system. Getting Greg Williams was huge and I think all of the linebackers will benefit greatly. As much as I like Kearse he does scare me because he gets hurt a lot. We can not afford to pay someone the money Kearse is going to demand and have him only play half a season. I think we should keep Trotter and focus on upgrading the defensive tackles. We need help much more in the middle.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by ddilbeck
This is a really tough one. As much as I think Trotter has been an underachiever since we got him, I think he can be a great middle linebacker in a better system. Getting Greg Williams was huge and I think all of the linebackers will benefit greatly. As much as I like Kearse he does scare me because he gets hurt a lot. We can not afford to pay someone the money Kearse is going to demand and have him only play half a season. I think we should keep Trotter and focus on upgrading the defensive tackles. We need help much more in the middle.

I agree. Well put. I am not ready to give up on Trotter, especially when we are bringing in a system in which he willmost likely excel.

[jsarno]

ABSOLUTELY YES!
I'd love a straight out trade between the two teams, but I know that won't happen.
Trotter is no longer a top tier LB, probably thanks to our system. Kearse is a top tier DE and we have a huge hole there. We could easily replace Trotter, but Kearse is nearly unreplaceable.

[SkinsKY]

Trotter can be a top tier LB again and Kearse is a top-tier DE who has had injury problems the last couple of years. I still can't see why we can't have both.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
I still can't see why we can't have both.

the salary cap would not allow it, if it did, we would not be able to sign anyone else.

We have no decent DE's, but we have a few decent LB's. We can afford to let go of Trotter to get a very good DE.
I know Kearse is injury prone, but I don't think there is anyone better when healthy.

[Green-Is-Good]

The day we release both Trotter and Armstead will be called national cracksmoking day.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Green Is Good
The day we release both Trotter and Armstead will be called national cracksmoking day.

Why?
Trotter is an underacheiver and has not earned his money at all. Maybe that will change with Gibbs, but I'm going by right now.
Armstead is way past his prime and doesn't have many good years left in him. We could get rid of both and save a ton of cap money and get equal replacements for cheaper.

I said letting Barber go was a mistake back then, and clearly I was right. He's better than both Trotter and Armstead.

[SkinsKY]

Trotter had a bad year because of playing zone coverage (which is not his strength) and I believe he led our team in tackles this year and was last year until an ACL. If that is underachieving, I can't believe anybody would want to keep Lavar who is supposed to be so much better.

As far as keeping both Trotter and Kearse, how much would Jevon's intial cap hit be? Probably not a lot. for the first couple of years it shouldn't be a problem. Let the two play together one year and if Trotter doesn't improve this year, cut him when the cap hit will be less.

[Green-Is-Good]

One? That's understandable, but both?! As an earlier poster said, that's creating two holes to fill one.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

geez the fact that bruce smith lead thi team in sacks just reinforces the need for a big time pass rusher!!!

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by LadyNRedskinsfan
geez the fact that bruce smith lead thi team in sacks just reinforces the need for a big time pass rusher!!!

It's a damning indictment on the quality of our pass rush.

[CarMike]

I voted yes. I think its easier to replace a LBer than to find a good DE.

And let me say this: It would have to be a straight up trade. No draft picks included.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
Trotter had a bad year because of playing zone coverage (which is not his strength) and I believe he led our team in tackles this year and was last year until an ACL. If that is underachieving, I can't believe anybody would want to keep Lavar who is supposed to be so much better.


first off, you can't compare the stats of an outside LB vs a middle LB. The mlb should have more tackles no matter what.
Second, did you watch many Skins games this year? Trotter was not a "trouble maker" for offenses. But Arrington sure as hell was. So much so that a lot of the time they ran to the opposite side of Arrington.
Trotter only had one forced fumble, while Arrington led the team with 7.
Only 2 times did Trotter register a tackle for a loss. Arrington had 5. Keep in Mind that middle lb's should have a lot more. IE Ray Lewis.
If Trotter was used more in coverage, how come he only had 8 pd's? Arrington had 20 (most on the team).
Maybe Trotter wasn't being used wisely, but for what we're paying him he should be able to do it all, and he hasn't been. Maybe the ACL tear really messed his game up? I don't know.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by LadyNRedskinsfan
geez the fact that bruce smith lead thi team in sacks just reinforces the need for a big time pass rusher!!!

Bruce Smith didn't...in fact Bruce SMith was 3rd.
Armstead had 6.5
Arrington had 6.0
Smith had 5.0

But you are absolutely right about needing a pass rush.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by jsarno
first off, you can't compare the stats of an outside LB vs a middle LB. The mlb should have more tackles no matter what.
Second, did you watch many Skins games this year? Trotter was not a "trouble maker" for offenses. But Arrington sure as hell was. So much so that a lot of the time they ran to the opposite side of Arrington.
Trotter only had one forced fumble, while Arrington led the team with 7.
Only 2 times did Trotter register a tackle for a loss. Arrington had 5. Keep in Mind that middle lb's should have a lot more. IE Ray Lewis.
If Trotter was used more in coverage, how come he only had 8 pd's? Arrington had 20 (most on the team).
Maybe Trotter wasn't being used wisely, but for what we're paying him he should be able to do it all, and he hasn't been. Maybe the ACL tear really messed his game up? I don't know.

First, I saw what Redskins games I could because they don't show many here in Kentucky.

Second, I hate the passes defended stat. It tells you nothing of worth.

Third, if you want to use that stat, the fact that he only had 8 indicates that pass defense wasn't his strength.

Fourth, I don't believe I said that Trotter was a trouble maker for offenses. I did say that I believe that Trotter can return to top-tier form and that he is our best blitzing linebacker. I still stand by both of those assertions.

I don't see why his contract means he should "do it all." We gave Lavar quite a bit more money when he hasn't shown any ability to do it at all.

The ACL is a big thing because it usually takes two years to recover fully and he took less than one before he started playing again, which indicates to me that he may not even be at full strength again. If that is the case, then his play should certainly go up. If it doesn't improve now that we have a competent DC, I will gladly retract what I have said.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
First, I saw what Redskins games I could because they don't show many here in Kentucky.

DirectTV NFL sunday ticket...it's a beautiful thing!

Second, I hate the passes defended stat. It tells you nothing of worth.

You're right, but it shows you that Arrington was far more affective in the secondary than Trotter, and this discussion has turned more into a Trotter vs Arrington.

Third, if you want to use that stat, the fact that he only had 8 indicates that pass defense wasn't his strength.

That much is quite clear. But apparently neither was blitzing. 1 sack and only 2 tackles for loss shows that. So what was he good at? Shouldn't a good LB have good to excellent coverage skills as well as pass rush ability?

Fourth, I don't believe I said that Trotter was a trouble maker for offenses. I did say that I believe that Trotter can return to top-tier form and that he is our best blitzing linebacker. I still stand by both of those assertions.

I don't know how you can say he is the best blitzing LB, he's not even better than Armstead.
I hope you're right and he turns back into the player that he was in Philly.

I don't see why his contract means he should "do it all." We gave Lavar quite a bit more money when he hasn't shown any ability to do it at all.

Now that's border line triesen. Lavar was our almost ONLY bright spot on D. He did it all for us as I have already pointed out. Name one thing Lavar didn't do well. I already named 2 for Trotter. Lavar is our defensive MVP. Maybe if you had watched more games you would have seen how many plays Arrington disrupted.

The ACL is a big thing because it usually takes two years to recover fully and he took less than one before he started playing again, which indicates to me that he may not even be at full strength again. If that is the case, then his play should certainly go up. If it doesn't improve now that we have a competent DC, I will gladly retract what I have said.

Maybe you're right...I hope you are. Cause I don't want to see another year of what Trotter did / didn't do for what we're paying him. He's a cap liability with how he played for us this year.

[tonedog12345]

Of course id do this kearse is one the best pass rushers in the game. and kevin mitchell can replace trotter