Kevin Jones or Stephen Jackson?

[tonedog12345]

Face it were not getting a running back in free agency unless it is corey dillon, (were not getting staley) so which of this 2 would you get in the draft?

[Spence]

Which one of those guys does a better job rushing the passer?

[SkinsRock36]

Originally posted by Spence
Which one of those guys does a better job rushing the passer?

:D

[tonedog12345]

i would say kevin jones can the rush the passer better than any defensive end

[tonedog12345]

tommie harris and will smith are ovverated just get a defensive end off of free agency (kearse, wistrom, abraham, howard)

[rskinsfan10]

If we are going to take a RB in the 1st, I think that I prefer Jackson. He seems to be the "bruiser" of the two.

[tonedog12345]

i saw all the va tech games this year and kj is the complete package. he is big, fast, good blocker, and a good catcher, and takes up to 30 carries a game

[LavarLeap2003]

3 people so far for steven jackson, atleast u guys are with me on this one!

[SkinsKY]

I voted for Jones because I think he brings a lot of things. He can hit hard between the tackles, but I also think he has great awareness to slip through any holes past the front four. Deceptively quick, which reminds me of another back we had a couple of years ago.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
If we are going to take a RB in the 1st, I think that I prefer Jackson. He seems to be the "bruiser" of the two.

I voted Jackson, too. I don't know if it's the #34 or the hair or the power running style, but he reminds me of Ricky Williams.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Went with Jones. He's more of a total RB.

[petman88]

kevin jones

[truant]

Jones

[TexSkin]

I got my heart set on Sean Taylor now so neither! :D

[Odyn]

Jackson. He has caused defenses to have to put 8 men in the box to defend the run. No team ever did that to Kevin Jones.

[RichardBradley]

Greg Jones in the second

[Green-Is-Good]

The passing game would excel. Some times, it won't take just one or two guys to take Jackson down. How much does he weight? Because linebackers look puny compared to him.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally posted by Spence
Which one of those guys does a better job rushing the passer?

Well since they start off behind him, I bet they both would do well.

[Yudolindo]

I am so confused about the RB talent in this years draft, so many mixed reviews...trade down and take who is left, stock up on DTs the the second...

[Bigskinsfan]

People should come to grips with the fact that the skins wil not be drafting DL a #5. It will be RB or S or TE. I think S jackson is the best back in the draft.

[thehitman29]

Originally posted by Spence
Which one of those guys does a better job rushing the passer?


Kevin Jones will do a better job of helping keep our defense off the field. Soooo... pick up some pass rushers in a rich free agent market for those guys and get a quality back while he's available.

:smash:

[LuvSkins17]

I like Kevin Jones. He could really help us. I think he could be another L. Thomlinson who isn't a "bruiser" but is damn good and is considered to be the total package.
Corey Dillion is good (not a bruiser) but alot of people are saying that he would fit in well and Gibbs is interested in him.

If we used a good FB that can run well and block well, (not forgetting that we have stated that we will be looking for TE with the good blocking ablity and using him in motion etc.) then we wouldn't really need a "bruiser" type runningback.

I would rather have to total package and that is Jones, if I had to chose.

[HollywoodKolt]

I voted for Perry, because I think we need to draft defense in the first. Udeze, Harris (not nessesarily with the fifth),Wilfork(not nessesarily with the fifth), or Sean Taylor(not nessesarily with the fifth),. Then Perry in the second.

[thehitman29]

Originally posted by Odyn
Jackson. He has caused defenses to have to put 8 men in the box to defend the run. No team ever did that to Kevin Jones.

How many VT games did YOU watch? I was at every home game and saw every away game. Miami and Texas A&M were really the only two teams that DIDN'T put eight in the box for the majority of each game. He rushed for 124 against Miami and 188 against aTm. Sounds like they might should have done that too.

[Odyn]

If we are to get a rb it would have to be someone in the model of a Steven Davis. That is most like Steven Jackson which is why I like him. We already have a shifty change-of-pace back in Chad Morton. We don't need another like most of the rb's in the draft. If we draft someone I they will be big and will be able to carry for a game i.e. Chris Perry, Greg Jones.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Greg Jones I'd go for more than Jackson, simply because we can get him in the second round.

[truant]

I agree JDS. I like Kevin Jones but i won't be heartbroken if we don't get him. Greg Jones in round 2 is exceptional value IMO.

I do think that Kevin Jones is and will be better than Jackson... IMHO.

[Emmanouel8]

I vote for Chris Perry. I like his running style and he has large hands. He plays hurt and can make the big play. All that and a bargain.

[Green-Is-Good]

Yeah, but if we could get Greg Jones in the 3rd...

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I doubt we'd get him in the third.

[RichardBradley]

Originally posted by Green Is Good
Yeah, but if we could get Greg Jones in the 3rd...


I think that is a reach

[akhhorus]

Chris Perry, he's Clinton Portis with better receiving skills, running ability, blocking and toughness

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by akhhorus
Chris Perry, he's Clinton Portis with better receiving skills, running ability, blocking and toughness

Chris Perry is nowhere near the explosive speed demon that Clinton Portis is and is not an much of an outside runner. Perry is more like Davis than Portis.

[CowboyKilla]

He has done more in his short career, is bigger and can still fly. But I think we can trade down possibly and still nab him. If there's any doubt stay put and make the pick. We will know by FA time which direction we go in. Udeze is flying up the draft boards at the moment.

[CowboyKilla]

Originally posted by akhhorus
Chris Perry, he's Clinton Portis with better receiving skills, running ability, blocking and toughness

SSSSSlllllllllooooooowwwwwww down.

[Yudolindo]

Greg Jones in the second may be a steal...

[dj_stouty]

Moved the thread to the appropriate forum...

[Green-Is-Good]

Perry is more like Ahman Green than any other runner in the NFL.

[Odyn]

How so?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by Spence
Which one of those guys does a better job rushing the passer?

Coincides with my selection of Chris Perry in the 2nd.

[RichardBradley]

I don't see us heading into the new season with a 3rd year QB and a rookie RB... I beleive we will add a Vet and at RB and draft D-lineman until their ain't no more

[REDMAN]

I agree with Spence and RB......draft lineman!

[guinness4health]

Originally posted by TexSkin
I got my heart set on Sean Taylor now so neither! :D

i am will you this kid is a stud

[Griffyatl]

Actually, I don't think a RB will be chosen with that pick. We need Defensive Linemen more then anything. Tommy Harris will be picked. They can take a Running back in round 2 maybe Greg Jones in round 2, but I still like our Betts I think if he can stay healthy he will be a good one. I would love to see us pick up Ben Watson in the second or Third round especially since we all know that Joe Gibbs love Big Tightends. Ben Watson is a stud with 4.4 speed at 255 lbs. To do this right the whole line needs to be replaced. They need to find two good linemen in Free Agency and then draft two more in the early rounds, or else we can't stop Arizona from running on us.
We are about 9 million under the cap, 12 million if we get rid of Trotter. With that Kearse and another Tackle is what we need in free agency. Then we can draft a tackle and defensive end in the draft and that takes care of our line.

Our line should look like this across the board. Jevon Kearse, Daryl Gardener, Tommie Harris, Antwan Odom. This is very doable. Kearse would come here, so will Daryl Gardener since he will be released by Denver, and then we draft Harris and Odom.

[Griffyatl]

Stephen Jackson, is my choice. He always had to run against 8 men in the box and still came out big time. I read to many negative things about Kevin Jones. Most people haven't even seen Jackson play on the east coast, but he is the better runner.

[BigCountry]

Starting 2 rookie D-lineman is not something I'd do.

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by Green Is Good
Perry is more like Ahman Green than any other runner in the NFL.

Chris Perry, again, does not have that kind of speed. I think Perry is a bit bigger, and has a more bruising style. The cult of Perry needs to stop: the Bears never had any luck with Michigan running backs, so why should we? ;)

[BigCountry]

Anthony Thomas might be a 1000 yard rusher here.

[Griffyatl]

Well what would you do. Our line is in shambles, and I think starting two rookies especially taleneted ones like the two in my first post would work. We are going to have to fix that line sometime, and it might as well be this year. Im pretty sure though D.S. has something up his sleeve, but we can not take a running back at pick 5 unless we get two studs on our defensive line before the draft thru free agency. I think also that Joe Gibbs is also going to get rid of all but one of our tightends on our roster as of now, probably Royals is the only stay over. Please say goodbye to Trung Cand, it took Spurrier the whole year and still didn't figure out that when Betts played the offense ran smother.

[Griffyatl]

Has any team had any luck with Michigan tail backs? by the time they get in the NFL, they all used up.

[Rileskin]

Agreed when it comes to MI tailbacks. Don't be suprised to see Gibbs trade down and go with an Auburn/Alabama downhill, large back, bruiser. There may be some quick fullbacks out there he'd like, view the USC, Hawaii, Marshall rosters. Some of the backs from those teams are NFL material but none are CONSIDERED first round picks. This will SAVE $$$ for line expenses too. With Smith & (likely) Trotter gone & Spurriers Florida expense account evapped the Skins will probably make some savvy moves in & around the draft.

[CarMike]

Welcome hR Rileskin.

I voted for Perry in the 2nd. It doesn't really matter if we draft Perry or not. As long as we address DE/DT in FA, I want either Taylor or Winslow.

[Rileskin]

Right on Carmike...Winslow's got tremendous potential and I'd look at Kearse as a FA, we also mite wanna check out Indy's, St Lou's and NE's FA's. There will be some good ones. I'd like to see a draft pick reminiscent of Larry Centers/Brian Mitchell style mentality...Let us not forget one Clint Diddier, Gibsy had his scouts find a couple years back at TE. Hang on to your kiester at draft time, I think we'll be in for a wild ride...

[Griffyatl]

Winslow Jr. will not ever come to the Redskins via draft. Joe Gibbs will never draft that jackoff due to his poor attitude and Character, even if he is the best TE on the board. He can't block, all he can do is run and catch, Joe Gibbs will always select a blocking tight end over a runner any day. That is why I say he either takes Ben Troupe from Florida, or Ben Watson from Georgia, hopefully Ben Watson. Winslow is a Synder type of draftee, but not Joe Gibbs.

If we could get Watson in round 2, I would be very happy.

[Griffyatl]

I would rather have Greg Jones from Florida St then Perry, I thing that Greg Jones in a Redskins jersey at 6'2 255 lbs with our linemen would look very nasty for NFL defenses.

[davepharmd]

Trade down--take Wilfork then grab Perry. The guy had 51 carries vs Mich St & tore up Ohio St. He's a Gibbs guy--plus he's a good receiver & blocker.

[Odyn]

Welcome dave, but I don't know about chris perry, he already has alot of miles on his treads. If we were to take a back in the first it would have to be Steven Jackson. This mman is just the best rb in the draft. And if Dallas doesn't get Dillon, than they will definitely be looking for Jackson right here. If we draft a dl/ptp'er (Prime Time Player) in the first, then look to Greg Jones. I just hope he will still be available. I think he will climb the charts and might squeak into the late first, or early second before we get to pick.

[Griffyatl]

Hey here are the scouting stats on the top 5 running backs available. You should pay me for this people.


Kevin Jones, 6'0, 211 lbs
War Room analysis
Jones is a high-profile back with great speed and big-play potential. After splitting carries for his first two seasons, Jones was the Hokies' full-time starter in '03. The concern, however, is that Jones lacks great size, power and toughness.

Jones, a junior, likely will be a first-round selection but could fizzle in the NFL if he doesn't get tougher.

Dan Pompei analysis
Highly athletic and has speed. Can make tacklers miss. Finds the holes. Hands and inside running ability are questionable. No. 2 on Pompei's RB rankings


Steven Jackson, 6'1, 227 lbs
War Room analysis
Jackson was the premier running back in the Pac-10 and is developing into one of the best all-around backs in the nation. He is a big, powerful runner with good speed. He lacks great elusiveness but is a slasher who reaches full speed quickly, shows acceleration in the open field and is tough to tackle.

Jackson also shows excellent hands and is developing into a weapon as a receiver, and he is a solid blocker in the passing game. He should be one of first three backs selected in the '04 draft.

Dan Pompei analysis
A big, powerful runner with vision, toughness and balance. Makes yards after contact. More of a move-the-chains guy than a big-play threat. No. 1 on Pompei's RB rankings



Chris Perry 6'0, 225lbs
War Room analysis
Strengths: Has good size, and is built well with good speed. Is a shifty, powerful runner with good strength. Runs with good vision and patience. Finds holes, stays low and attacks the line of scrimmage. Shows good initial burst and can hit cutback lanes. Lowers his shoulder, and gains adequate yardage after contact. Runs with good leverage, and keeps his legs high. Shows above-average technique as a pass blocker. Shows soft hands. Catches everything thrown at him, and is a tough runner after the catch. Has some potential as an NFL return man.

Weaknesses: Staying healthy was a problem early in his college career. Has had various minor injuries, and never seems to be 100 percent. Has not shown the ability to carry a full load. Lacks a second gear. Lacks acceleration and the ability to run away from defenders after getting through the line of scrimmage. Lacks the agility to run intermediate pass routes.

Bottom line: When healthy, Perry is a slashing, straight-line runner with good initial quickness and speed. Perry is a tough, physical runner much in the mold of the Titans' Eddie George. Perry lowers his shoulder and picks up yardage after contact. He also shows good vision, body control and patience. Perry has good size and speed, but he lacks an extra gear in the open field and is not elusive. After struggling to stay healthy early in his career, Perry has shown good toughness and durability the last two seasons. He is showing consistency in '03 and has upside as an NFL prospect because of his potential to return kicks. Perry won't offer much as a downfield receiver, but he is a good blocker and has soft hands as a short-area receiver. Perry's draft value is on the rise, and his strong senior season likely has solidified a Day 1 spot.

Dan Pompei analysis
An instinctive, strong runner with quick feet and good balance. Can catch. Has average speed. No. 5 on Pompei's RB rankings


Greg Jones 6'2, 255 lbs
Strengths: Is a big, powerful back with a terrific size and speed. Shows more quickness than pure speed. Has good vision and patience. Can stop and start without losing much momentum in transition. Finds cutback lanes, and hits them with good burst. Is a powerful runner who lowers shoulder to deliver a blow. Picks up a lot of yardage after contact. Shows fluid hip movement to make quick cuts, and shows impressive elusiveness for his size. Makes some defenders miss in the open field. Is a big, strong pass blocker.

Weaknesses: Durability is a long-term concern after '02 knee injury. Lacks ideal speed to turn the corner in the NFL, and doesn't have the ideal second gear in the open field. Is below average as a receiver. Lacks great game experience as a receiver, and is a little bit stiff in the upper body. Has some trouble catching passes on the run and away from his body. Is not a great route-runner, and really isn't much of a threat as a receiver.

Bottom line: Jones was one of the leading rushers in the nation after in '02 before tearing a ligament in his knee Nov. 2, 2002. He missed spring practice but has returned healthy and looks strong in '03. He is a powerful runner with great size, adequate speed and good vision. Jones is the best senior running back in this class.

Dan Pompei analysis
A power back with speed. Has not yet shown he is the runner he was before two knee surgeries. No. 4 on Pompei's RB rankings



Quincy Wilson, 5'9, 214 lbs
War Room analysis
Strengths: Shows good instincts. Shows more quickness than pure speed. Runs with good balance. Runs hard, and breaks a lot of tackles for a short guy. Is shifty, powerful and tough to tackle. Is built well, and runs with good leverage. Shows good quickness and change-of-direction skills. Finds cutback lanes, and shifts weight well in traffic. Catches passes thrown at him. Is sound as a pass blocker. Has good strength at the point of attack, and uses good leverage to uproot the blitzing linebackers.

Weaknesses: Is undersized, and lacks NFL speed. Does not show a second gear in the open field. Is not a threat as a receiver. Is a decent route-runner, but lacks experience catching the ball in game situations.

Bottom line: Wilson, whose father Otis played linebacker for the Bears, didn't start until his senior season but split carries in '02 with the Lions' Avon Cobourne. Wilson shows more quickness than pure speed and shows good vision, instincts and toughness. His lacks of height and straight-line speed limit his NFL potential. He must improve as a blocker and a receiver to increase his value as an NFL backup. Wilson is a late-round prospect.

Dan Pompei analysis
A tough, dependable runner with great vision. Speed is a question. Son of former Bears LB Otis Wilson. No. 9 on Pompei's RB rankings

[Va.SkinFan]

If Gibbs takes a back which I dont think he will, the guy has to be smart and wants to play football. Gibbs can get a guy like that in the 2nd or 3rd round. A guy with a big heart for the game can go a long way. Gibbs seems to find them. He will go defensive line if I had to choose. Not much defensive talent in free agency this year. The ones that are good is going to want big money.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by davepharmd
Trade down--take Wilfork then grab Perry. The guy had 51 carries vs Mich St & tore up Ohio St. He's a Gibbs guy--plus he's a good receiver & blocker.

Wilfork Wileat himself out of the NFL in 3 years.

The best picks for the D line are the Fresh Prince & Udeze.