Tommie Harris Ovverated?

[tonedog12345]

on the kiper top 25 hes not anywhere to be found. Is it really worth using a top 5 pick on him?

[Ford]

I seem to think the most likely prospect is that kiper had not updated his mock since tommie harris had declared, which was only a couple days ago, as kiper doesnt list underclassmen who aren't oficially entered ... otherwise that would just be foolishness by kiper. He's not overrated, trust me. His consistancy does warrant some questioning, but I think he'll be a stellar player at the next level.

[CowboyKilla]

I think it's more the point that He Hasn't been a big playmaker in college. Not to mention he is not top five material, so say the pros.

[SkinzHailerCowgirlsHater]

isn't he smaller than most Tackles though
if so don't you think he would have a tough time lining up as nose tackle.

condsider this without your partial ties

[Yudolindo]

He is smallish, he does not produce much, let alone big plays, cannot break college double teams and at times gets man handled. So, I guess another way to say this is that yes, he is indeed quite over rated and not worth the #5 pick overall. He is considered the best prospect at DT in this draft, though that does not say much…and will likely change after the combines.

[Ford]

skinzhailer .. he is small for an nfl DT but he is freakishly strong and contrary to what yudolindo says, he does produce in college. He draws alot of double and triple teams, and penetrates into opponents backfields. He didn't necessarily finish the season well, but he showed great ability, moves, jump, etc throughout almost all of the season. For some reason after mike stoops took the arizona job the defense never looked as dominant as it had and i think venables might have had a hand in this.

[SkinzHailerCowgirlsHater]

i think the only reason for his notoreity (however you spell it) is because of OU haveing a great Defense and the biggest part of that is the D-line which would in fact be the basis of quality teamwork in the treaches from the defensive standpoint of OU

See Ford i am actually complementing you guys you find that i don't do that that often and i won't rub the OU bbal gaml in either ok? The only reason i would say good things about them in your presence is because we are Reskin brothers if you know what i mean.

[Yudolindo]

Hey may have all the tools, but he does not produce. I think that says alot.

Edit: this year: 34 tackles and four sacks. Wow.

[Ford]

Originally posted by SkinzHailerCowgirlsHater
i think the only reason for his notoreity (however you spell it) is because of OU haveing a great Defense and the biggest part of that is the D-line which would in fact be the basis of quality teamwork in the treaches from the defensive standpoint of OU

See Ford i am actually complementing you guys you find that i don't do that that often and i won't rub the OU bbal gaml in either ok? The only reason i would say good things about them in your presence is because we are Reskin brothers if you know what i mean.

Well then we have a difference of opinion. To me .. Tommie Harris' presence made it possible for the supporting cast on the d-line (dvorcek and cody especially) to have good seasons. And I won't mention the bedlam game ;) Or say anything bad about A&M (thats right) at the moment ... but you wont catch me dead in orange. At least we have our bond against the other cowboys. :D

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by Ford
To me .. Tommie Harris' presence made it possible for the supporting cast on the d-line (dvorcek and cody especially) to have good seasons. other cowboys. :D

This I agree with: with Harris on the line, they collectively netted a school record 45 sacks. His linemates are nothing to write home about...but I doubt he will pull double teams in the NFL so I'm not sure that this will translate...

[SkinzHailerCowgirlsHater]

Originally posted by Ford
... but you wont catch me dead in orange. At least we have our bond against the other cowboys. :D

not even at Halloween?

The only red i wear is the one the Redskns wear because i really hate the typical OU and the fans in Norman can't stand those guys because i go to school here at OSU and just tonight when we played OU a buddy of mind was just saying, as they left the game, "be careful when you drive home tonight" and the guy fliped him off( i hope you aren't like that) and we aren' the A&M agies you have to go south in Texas to find the real agies your way to young anyway to call them that anyway. How in the world did you ever get associated with the sooners being in Maryland anyway....bandwagon?

[SkinzHailerCowgirlsHater]

Originally posted by Yudolindo
This I agree with: with Harris on the line, they collectively netted a school record 45 sacks. His linemates are nothing to write home about...but I doubt he will pull double teams in the NFL so I'm not sure that this will translate...

I agree with you one hundred percent.

[kaiser]

I'm leery of picking someone who's never produced a big season in college.

[Patrick]

I'm not going to say Harris is not good becasue he's going to be VERY good in the NFL in 2 or 3 years BUT as far as draft projections go and his ranking, he IS overrated. Strong yes, but not the strongest DT in the draft. He's quick, but not the quickest (or fastest) in the draft. I'm not totally in agreement with the his lack of size. He's only 15 - 20 lbs away from ideal.... IF he attends the combines, TH's stock could easily drop. He'll be picked around 10 - 17.

[Spence]

I don't care so much if Tommie Harris can get sacks in the NFL. What I want to know is whether or not he makes his linemates better and can draw double teams. Because of his size he does not seem to be much of a space-eater. He'd probably have to be paired with a monster DT next to him.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Spence
I don't care so much if Tommie Harris can get sacks in the NFL. What I want to know is whether or not he makes his linemates better and can draw double teams. Because of his size he does not seem to be much of a space-eater. He'd probably have to be paired with a monster DT next to him.

You're are right because he'll never get the push of a space eater type cause he is not one - he'll be a speed rusher. AND for his frist year (maybe two) the pro guards / centers will abuse him.

[RichardBradley]

Could Harris move to end? If not I do beleive he is bigger than Tim Johnson.

[bosshog001]

Here is Kiper's latest on him:

8. Tommie Harris (jr.), DT, Oklahoma (6-3, 280) | previous ranking: unranked
Harris has been a fixture on the defensive line for the Sooners since his freshman year. He played through injury in 2002 and was not as effective as the year before, yet he was still able to occupy blockers and free his teammates to make plays. Harris is not a guy who will dominate with brute force, but what makes him effective is his quickness off the ball and ability to shed blocks and get into the backfield. You would like to see him dominate games on a more consistent basis despite the fact that he is double and triple-teamed on every play, though. He does not pile up lots of tackles or wow you from a production standpoint, but Harris does hustle for 60 minutes and allow his teammates to do their jobs. When he does make plays, though, they are usually big ones in the offensive backfield. Harris may not the top-five guy I once envisioned, but certainly worthy of being taken in the top 10 overall.

[camasterton]

Every time you have to make excuses and if's -" He does not seem to be ..." Harris may not be..." He'll probabley need" "You would like to see him..." -there has to be a red flag when your talking about the number five pick in the draft. Right now, this draft is very suspect, when looking at the avaiable defensive linemen. Is his listed weight acurate? A 280lbs DT? Is he another Jason Peter? I just don't know about narrow ass'ed defensive tackles.

[Odyn]

That's what we have the combo's and individual workouts for.

[dj_stouty]

Moved thread to appropriate forum...

Please keep the potential draftee topics on this board, guys.

[Bigskinsfan]

He is overrrated. He is not the real deal. I don't want him at 5 Idon't want him at 10 and i don't want to trade down and take him at 20. There are better palyers

[Ford]

Bigskinsfan .. support those statements or they're worthless to me. Just throwing names out there proves nothing.

[truant]

I don't think Harris is worth a #5 right now. Maybe Harris' stats aren't that impressive because of all the attention he received, but that's a big risk to take at 5.

There is a lot of pressure at 5, i hope we take Taylor or trade down. If we are sitting at 9 or so, our desicion will be much easier.

[HollywoodKolt]

See everybody looks to much into stats. For a D-linemen your sucess isn't measured entirely in tackles. If you're getting doubled all the time then you aren't gonna make a lot of tackles, but the rest of the team is gonna be playing with ten guys and the offense will have nine. You may not be making plays everydown but you will put your teammates in the position to make plays and football is a team game.

[tonedog12345]

man the guy on lsu looked better than he did in the championship game

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by HollywoodKolt
See everybody looks to much into stats. For a D-linemen your sucess isn't measured entirely in tackles. If you're getting doubled all the time then you aren't gonna make a lot of tackles, but the rest of the team is gonna be playing with ten guys and the offense will have nine. You may not be making plays everydown but you will put your teammates in the position to make plays and football is a team game.

If you he can't break double-teams at the college level, how will he handle a pro guard? The fifth pick should be used on a playmaker or traded. Harris's stats betray the fact that he is not a playmaker, so they are indeed useful in the making of this decision.

[Bigskinsfan]

I could repeat what most of the posters again but I would rather repeat myself. Harris is overrated and I don't want him!

Draft Sean Taylor!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by tonedog12345
on the kiper top 25 hes not anywhere to be found. Is it really worth using a top 5 pick on him?

Kiper is not perfect, but there seems to be a consensus on Harris that he is not top 5 material.

[bjohns]

Harris could be an elite prospect at DE. He is supposedly fast enough and certainly big enough for an end. It might take him a while to develop though. I think he'll continue to slip down draft boards as time passes. In contrast, I still say Udeze ends up as a top 5 caliber player after all the facts come in on him (combine, workouts, etc). He's big, fast and dominated in college.

[Odyn]

He did have 16.5 sacks last year...

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by bjohns
In contrast, I still say Udeze ends up as a top 5 caliber player after all the facts come in on him (combine, workouts, etc). He's big, fast and dominated in college.

If he runs a decent 40 and works out well, I agree, he will go top ten/five. He is a playmaker. I know it sounds odd to say that a 280 pound man needs to fill out, but he does a bit to play the run. He still needs some work...

[kaiser]

Hasn't he lost enough weight?! Didn't he wiegh 345lbs when he got into college?! I say stay at 280-5, like Bruce Smith size when he was dominating! Plus, Udeze is hella strong!