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champbskins
01-15-2004, 01:13 AM
The draft is a no brainer. Sean Taylor is gonna be an impact player in the NFL, and Kiper is comparing him to Roy Williams. He says that he could be the best Safety in the NFL early in his career. Now what is the debate about? I know that we need D-Lineman but we could adress that through free agency with proven players. Howard, Kearse, Adams, Gardner, etc. If we did decide to go d-line then it would be much more of a risk. (Kenard Lang) I dont know about you but I would rather have a sure thing than blow the 5th pick in the draft. I know we also need a RB. We would be sittin pretty if the geniuses wouldn't have let Stephen Davis go. I think that it would be great to get Chris Perry in the 2nd round. I think he could be a work horse.(51 carries in a win against Ohio State) All we need is a tough back to get us 4-5 yards and set up play-action. Someone who will hit the holes hard.
There's no such thing as a sure thing -- not even Sean Taylor.
GolfFreak
01-15-2004, 08:10 AM
I'm hearing more and more good this about this guy Taylor. We do have several needs, but a lot will depend on how we address FA before the draft.
I think Corry Dillion will end up being our RB and the rumor that Kearse wants to be reunited w/ Williams can't be overlooked. Another thread had us going after big Ted Washington to fill up our middle.
I'd be happy w/ all these additions and then we could go after this stud to wreak havoc w/ Smoot and Champ!!!
RichardBradley
01-15-2004, 10:04 AM
I love Sean Taylor (you all know that) I would be just as happy if we trade down and got Harris, Udezie, or Wilfolk.... then bring in Sapp to teach the young buck the ropes
RichardBradley
01-15-2004, 10:06 AM
That being said we still need to improve on the safties we have
If he is so good, I hope that he will still be available when we pick. I have been reading about how the Giants and other teams are also interested in Taylor.
bjohns
01-15-2004, 12:14 PM
Most of the people contributing on these boards appear to be incredibly short sighted. You have to take an elite prospect regardless of position over a good player at a needs position. For a tema that ain't gonna be making a Super Bowl run next year (like us), the only exception would be if you already have an elite prospect at the position. Certainly, we do not have one at safety for all the Sean Taylor advocates. If one of the DL distinguishes themselves between now and the draft and gets into that stratosphere of elite prospect, it would seem to be a no-brainer to pick them at that point since our talent deficit is even greater along the line than at safety. Much can change between now and the draft but I'll go out on a limb and say that despite all the Harris and Willfol/fork whatever - I can't spell -talk, Udeze and Starks are the two DL that I think could get to the elite prospect level in the next 3 months. I don't think Starks has even declared at this point though. Enjoy reading your post all. thanks.
Bigskinsfan
01-15-2004, 01:41 PM
I agree with bjohns. Talyor will be an all pro. There is no such thing as a lock but player evaluation is a skill I can't find anything or anybody that says Taylor will anything but a very good palyer.
Patrick
01-15-2004, 01:45 PM
Short sighted??? People on this board are exspressing thier opinions as to whom they feel is the best player for the Skins. Sorry we don't all agree with you.
truant
01-15-2004, 04:13 PM
I'd say take Taylor at 5 or trade down. While there aren't any sure things, the last few years have shown that excellent players have been pretty solid at the safety position (Reed, Williams).
But don't listen to me, i'm short-sighted
RichardBradley
01-15-2004, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Patrick
Short sighted??? People on this board are exspressing thier opinions as to whom they feel is the best player for the Skins. Sorry we don't all agree with you.
Agreed ........ Unfortunatly I don't get to make the pick so I have to listen to all options that is how you keep from being narrow minded
BigCountry
01-15-2004, 06:22 PM
Too much homerism involved with analyzing the draft.
Redskinfan28
01-15-2004, 07:28 PM
I think its fun talking about the draft, even if people don't always agree. It just makes us realize how hard it is to draft the right guy.
SkinsCT
01-15-2004, 07:30 PM
Truant, I also think that we should either take Taylor or Winslow at 5 or trade the pick down to get a d linemen in the mid first round.
If he has an amazing combo. Who says he will even be available at #5. You guys are just assuming that he will be there. If he is such an all-pro, then wouldn't the Giants or maybe one of the other 4 teams ahead of us try to draft him? We have problems just like them, but we are not trying to draft our biggest need in the monck drafts. Who says they will too! What then?
IowaSkinsFan
01-16-2004, 09:24 AM
Taylor will be a good free safety, but after seeing him get trucked by Greg Jones in the Orange Bowl, I don't think he will ever be Roy Williams equal.
And if we don't rebuild our D line (that's 4 players, mind you) in wont' matter if we clone Champ Bailey and Fred Smooth to play in the secondary, because teams will be running the ball straight down our swiss cheese d line and we won't get the ball back and we will lose by a FG in the 4th quarter...................damn, flashbacks of last year, must stop now.
Bigskinsfan
01-16-2004, 09:40 AM
Personally I think that we do not need four DLmen. I think that we only need one end and one tackle. From the gang from last year I think that there are some sericable player given they have coaching and they will.
yes Taylor got run over on one play in the orange bowl. You can't write him of on one play. Champ got beat a few times this year he is still great. Greg Jones of a physical freak. He is very strong. I would be worried if he got run over by K jones.
Draft Taylor, Winslow, or Jackson with #5
DL in FA and the second round
IowaSkinsFan
01-16-2004, 09:45 AM
Bernard Holsey would be a reserve on any other team in the league, so that's why I say 4. The only player I think you can make a half way decent argument about is Renaldo Wynn at LDE. He is average - decent against the run and maybe even better because he was often Double teamed at the point of attack on off tackle runs because our DT were so weak. With better talent at DT, he may be a serviceable DE.
The big varialbe in all of this, is Brandon Noble. Can he come back and play at a high level and eat up DT's? If he can, then mayble we can get by with 1 stud DT who can collapse a pocket and a stud RDE who can turn a corner faster than a jack rabbit on a date.
REDMAN
01-16-2004, 09:47 AM
greg jones is 250-255 pounds. he can run over any saftey. and I think winslow is a sure thing. not that we should draft him, but I think he will be a star.
unbeltedskins
01-23-2004, 12:59 AM
I dont think we need to waste a pick on the running back situation, because thier isint a situation at RB, Betts, McCullough( Bad ass). Canidate. All r good backs they just werent used right. Gibbs will get the best out of these guys I know it. It's the Defensive Lne we need to adjust. I was lucky enough to get NFL ticket this year just so I could watch the Skins play every game this year. The backs did great ( when they got the damn ball in thier hands). And then some say we need to draft a TE with the 5th pick. Look how many times spurrier threw to his TE's 30 times all year. Flemister caught 9, Royal caught 8, and a few more were caught buy who knows. So we dont need a TE drafted we need to use them more like 30 times a game. Now back to the DL I pulled and tuuged at my hair and watched in agony, as teams ran off center so many times and our DL gave them all High Fives a pat on the butt and let em through NO MORE , I've seen enough. Lets get Harris, or wilfork and if we Franshise Bailey and Detroit gets him lets use that 6th pick on getting a player to trade for a FA Defensive End like Kearse. If at all possiable. peace
kaiser
01-23-2004, 01:19 AM
Improve our Dline and suddenly our safeties improve - trust me! There's a difference between having faith that if u give ur DL 5-6 secs of coverage the opposition QB will find himself on his arse and realising that no matter how hard u cover, it'll take 10secs for ur pass rusher to even get in the opposition QBs vicinity!
NCskinsfanatic
01-23-2004, 01:20 AM
Ok here goes....
1.Trade the 5th down to around 8 or 9.Grab Udeze or Harris who ever is available.
2.Grab Greg Jones(he's a monster)or Perry(solid back)to compliment a FA acquisition.
3.By trading down we should be able to acquire atleast another 3rd.Select another D-lineman and a TE here in the 3rd.
4.That leaves a 5th.Trade the 5th down for a mid to low 6th and 7th rounder.Take a punter (finally)and the best need guy that can also help on ST.
5.Gibbs was known for having a staff that could find talent.i think the staff he has assembled will do well judging talent especially undrafted rookies.They will find a few gems IMO after the draft.
NCskinsfanatic
01-23-2004, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by kaiser
Improve our Dline and suddenly our safeties improve - trust me! There's a difference between having faith that if u give ur DL 5-6 secs of coverage the opposition QB will find himself on his arse and realising that no matter how hard u cover, it'll take 10secs for ur pass rusher to even get in the opposition QBs vicinity! I have to agree with this as well.The safeties we have are just fine IF we resign Champ and build a d-line with two draft picks(1st and 3rd) and two free agents(starter quality).
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