Brunell poll

[PennSkinsFan]

Lets see how hR stand on Mark Brunell

[Yudolindo]

Voted no. I think Ramsey has shown enough to start and is the future of this franchise. Any QB can excel with a good o-line in front of him, so why not let it be Ramsey, keep our draft picks and avoid unpleasant drama?

[SkinsKY]

Brunell still wants to start and we don't need that pressure on Patrick. We need a solid backup who wants to help mentor Ramsey.

[Green-Is-Good]

Nope. Costs to much to be a backup, and will contend for the starting job.

[capitol_cop]

What sense does it make to give away a second rounder for Brunell? We only have a few picks in the draft. Why give one away for this has-been? There are so many other players we could be targeting. The only thing I can think of is that we are picking him up to keep him away from the Cowgirls, but is that worth a second round pick?

[rskinsfan10]

Yes. Bring him in and lets win now. He is a proven QB. Ramsey isn't at this juncture.

[LuvSkins17]

I said no. After reading an article where Del Rio is hoping to possibly get 1st round pick for Brunell. If we could use a 3rd I would be ok with it.

[hail2skins]

I would want to know what they were asking for before I answer this question.

[petman88]

no if he comes in then we will loose a draft pick for what a guy who is not a long term solution he is 33 and plus ramsey is like a younger less mobile version of him when u think about it

[Green-Is-Good]

Not really. Ramsey is not nearly as accurate as Brunell

[JoeDaSchmoe]

No. I've said why plenty of times.

[Skinzwelder]

I would also say no. We don't need a controversy. Ramsey is our future.

[IowaSkinsFan]

NO.

Brunell's agent, Steinberg, said Brunell does not want to go anywhere where there is a controversy. What does that mean, that he expects to be the start, no questions asked?

He is 33 and now has a history of arm problems, considering his elbow problem from last year? I wonder if he can still bring it.

I would rather see us go with Ramsey, Hasselbeck and Hamdan.

BTW, the article indicated that Hamdan is NFL Europe bound, with Barcelona, I believe.

[Odyn]

Ramsey is not good enough just yet, I said bring him in.

[WRSK1NS]

Out of all the Veterans out there, he is one of the few that could still play and be successful.

[skinswin'emALL]

yes

[CarMike]

I keep going back and forth.

This morning I voted yes. I voted that way due to the way the question was asked. It didn't mention what I'd be willing to give up. Just do we want Brunell.

In Gibbs I Trust...

[truant]

NO WAY.

I don't buy into trading players that will surely be released. He's 33 years old. Quarterback play is not what is holding this team back. Here's a novel concept, run the ball and block and help a young quarterback out.

That's what i thought was going to happen.

Hey, i can understand if Gibbs wants to protect himself just in case, but this is an extreme measure,

[Odyn]

Well, Gibbs has obviously seen something in Ramsey that we have not. He sees that we must bring in another qb to help us out. They know what's best guys. They have probably been looking at more game tape in the past week than most of us have seen in the past year.

[Shenadoah]

Let's see, Brunell is 33 years old, two concussions, injured arm, wants to go some place where he doesn't have to compete for the starting QB position, what's wrong with this picture??

[Skins57]

The biggest thing I keep thinking about is the fact that Gibbs seems to get the most out of older players. Maybe he want to use Brunell and give Ramsey some bench time to become a better QB so that in a year or 2 Ramsey is where Joe wants him. I have to say if Joe thinks there is a need for him, do what it takes to get him.

[Jon Creveling]

No vote here. Not that it's a bad idea "if' the team was close, but it's not, Gibbs or no Gibbs! Am very intrigued with this years draft and don't like the possible trade of the 2nd(if these reports are correct). Sure it would be great to have him as second string( if he accepted that role???) Honestly Patrick has shown us enough to warrant the starting role without question this season( yeah Mark is proven and very experienced) but factor in this team as a whole is way off(not just the "D"! Why not set the table now, instead of putting off Ramseys developement??? This is based on alot of ifs but, if Bugel can straighten out the line? If we get a real runningback and if we can get some form of tightend play why not let this young guys develope together? This would be my plan. Plan on not being great for a while, but do plan on being great soon!!! Again set the damn table!!! It's not like it's "Patrick or bust" "do or die with Ramsey" but the kid has in my eyes shown more than enough to go forward with him NOW! Again would love to have Mark on the sideline(quickly grew tired of Hass.) but at what expense? Too much $, lost picks in April and possible damage to Ram's confidence??? Again if the team was close I'd say yes 100%, but based on reality no I'd pass on him.

[Shenadoah]

I look at Ramsey and I can't help but remember two other Gibbs Quarterbacks, Jay Schroeder and Mark Rypien, Both were tough young quarterbacks with tremendous arm strength like Ramsey and excelled under Gibbs, I think the price for Brunell is way too high.

[Chief Seeway]

I'm starting to believe that Gibbs and the staff are very, VERY worried about Ramseys foot surgery. This move may end up being the most important of the off-season(if it even happens).

I know more then a handful of people that have had foot surgery and none have come out of it in better shape.

[Shenadoah]

If Ramsey had mobility problems as a result of failed surgery to his foot I think he would have come forward and volunteered that information. Nobody in their right mind would want to take the beating again that Ramsey took last year.

[ShaggySkins]

I voted Yes. I argued enough about it that everyone knows my reasons by now.

[Monk81]

NO a 2nd rd. pick is too much for a 33 year old QB with injury problems.

Ramsey should be the man.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Shenadoah
If Ramsey had mobility problems as a result of failed surgery to his foot I think he would have come forward and volunteered that information. Nobody in their right mind would want to take the beating again that Ramsey took last year.

Aren't we talking about the same Ramsey that blamed his errant passes on the fact that he couldn't plant his foot properly because of pain, after the fact at that? I don't trust him to tell anyone that he was hurting.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Shenadoah
Let's see, Brunell is 33 years old, two concussions, injured arm, wants to go some place where he doesn't have to compete for the starting QB position, what's wrong with this picture??

Exactly! You're only three post old and you hit the nail on the head.

Welcome to hR Shenadoah! (Harper's Ferry is a beautiful place.)

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Let's remember, folks, this foot surgery wasn't really for an injury, it was to remove an extra bone that was just kind of.... there. He didn't need it, it was causing pain, now it's gone. I hardly think it's as likely he's having complications with that than what he might have if it were actually repairing something.

[REALRICK]

Maybe we're going to draft a left handed QB and Gibbs wants Brunell to teach him. Yea, thats it.

[28thegreat]

Originally posted by Shenadoah
I look at Ramsey and I can't help but remember two other Gibbs Quarterbacks, Jay Schroeder and Mark Rypien, Both were tough young quarterbacks with tremendous arm strength like Ramsey and excelled under Gibbs, I think the price for Brunell is way too high.

Both Jay and Mark put in their time on the bench.

[suppitty]

i would rather have blake because it wont pressure ramsey and it wont cost us anything. we ciuld get a good player with the 2nd round pick.

[dj_stouty]

I really don't want to give up a 2nd rounder for a backup QB. I like the idea of Brunell as a viable backup in case Ramsey get's injured...but the pricetag looks like it will be pretty high.

I wonder if the Jags may want to give us Brunell for a "swap" our our first round picks? (Our #5 for their #9?) Thay way, the Skins can possibily get Udeze. And...its no secret the Jags are eyeing a WR, and they could lock in Roy Williams at #5. The Jags probably think Roy Williams will go to Atlanta before them...

I don't know..just a thought. I guess I'm trying to convince myself this deal can get done without losing a pick. UGh...

[TwistyNiblet]

i say yes to brunell. are we forgetting that just 4 years ago his team was 15-1?

[NCskinsfanatic]

Yes on Mark Bruenell.And I have no problem with him competing for the starting job with Patrick coming off surgery.The only part I dont like is the trading of a second rounder for him when we only have 4 picks.

[Emmanouel8]

A definite yes. He's got a strong arm, experience, success, and some mobility left.

I don't think a 2nd rounder will be the cost since he's old and he'd be released anyways probably a little lower price. Some of you are so sensitive about this, it's football.

I'm not factoring in how Ramsey will react to us bringing in Brunell but if he reacts negatively in any way I don't want him. I want someone who gets better under pressure/competition.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Emmanouel8

I'm not factoring in how Ramsey will react to us bringing in Brunell but if he reacts negatively in any way I don't want him. I want someone who gets better under pressure/competition.

I agree. It's beyond me as to why alot of folks don't want someone in here that can push the guy to be the best. Most would be satisfied with some scrub so that Ramsey doesn't have to look over his shoulder. Gibbs is notorious for not allowing guys to be too comfortable with their status. Why should Ramsey be any different?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

right now, i dont have an answer. i see equal pros and cons with this move.

[lavarkills]

No way!
I dont see how we can afford to give up our second rd pick and about 6 mil in cap space for Brunell with not one legitimate starter at d-line. I would rather see that money go for darren howard or jevon kearse. As for the second rd pick we could be missing a possible starting rb such as chris perry or greg jones there. Keep hope alive for Ramsey; say no to Brunell Synder

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i dont have a problem with brunell pushing patrick. i do have a problem with the thought him being traded.

[IowaSkinsFan]

More and more this looks like the end for Patrick Ramsey in Washington if the deal goes through. You don't spend a 2nd round pick and a starting WR for a QB to sit on the bench.

I know people will say that Schroeder and Rypien all sat on the bench before their time came, but that was before the CAP and exhorbitant salaries for QB's. If Brunell comes in, I think Ramsey gets dealt somewhere else, making the QB's Brunell, Ramsey, and Hamdan.

[Patrick]

Don't mind a veteran coming in to push Patrick or help him develop.
NO to Brunell because he's not what he was (about 75%) PLUS the price is way too high.
AGREE with Robert, this whole thing gets me thinking there is a hell of a lot more to this than meets the eye. It's beginning to look like Gibbs&Co. whats to go with a proven vet for the short term, aquire some extra draft picks (via Patrick and maybe Gardner), and pick up a late round QB (west coast) to develop.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by Patrick
AGREE with Robert, this whole thing gets me thinking there is a hell of a lot more to this than meets the eye. It's beginning to look like Gibbs&Co. whats to go with a proven vet for the short term, aquire some extra draft picks (via Patrick and maybe Gardner), and pick up a late round QB (west coast) to develop.

Patrick, your wise beyond your years! :D

Maybe if Gibbs trades for Brunell and trades Ramsey, he will try to develop Hamdan? He tried to develope Cary Conklin! :rolleyes:

[TexSkin]

Not for what is being sought for him. NO WAY!!!

[jsarno]

absolutely get him...he's a great qb who rarely makes mistakes. He's the perfect Gibbs QB.

[NamVet4]

Too old, too costly. . . Better than Hassellbeck. . . Could be a good teacher . . . But in the end . . . NO!

[Meadowlark]

Have to agree with Emmanouel8, rskinsfan10, jsarno and others. I would be happy to have Brunell start for a year or two. I've never liked the idea of starting rookie or inexperienced QBs although there have been successful exceptions - e.g. Brady.

Also have no problem keeping Ramsey. If he learns from Brunell and handles the situation positively then he can be the QB of the future; if he can't I don't see Gibbs keeping him.

I just hope Gibbs has some control over the personnel moves though. The recent record is not good. A lot of money has been spent, a lot of games have been lost and a lot of quality players have departed e.g Stephen Davis, Brad Johnson. (Don't want to start a firestorm over the latter but I always liked him as a QB.)

So assuming Gibbs has that control, I wouldn't mind trading a pick for Brunell and maybe trading our 1st round pick for extra, later picks to make up the numbers. I sometimes cringe at the money offered the high-pick guys who have yet to play a down in the NFL; I guess I'm risk-averse.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

if it means giving up alot (whether a pick or a player) and trading ramsey (which i truly dont think will happen.), NO.

if it means brunell coming here to be a starter for 2-3 years and being a vet presence to Ramsey and we can cut mark without having to deal with dead money then YES.

[skinsman1]

I don't think we should give up a 2 round pick for him. We need to stick with Ramsey and find another veteran QB to back Ramsey up.

[akhhorus]

If you look at the timeline of this whole story, things are interesting:

Saturday: Pasta-Belli reports that a deal between the Jags and Skins is 'imminent'
Sunday: A lot of sources say that the skins have an interest, but that there are a few other teams bidding. Gibbs, reportedly, is meeting with him Sunday night at Brunell's home
Monday: Gibbs didnt meet with Brunell last night, but they might meet today somewhere in Florida..

hmmm....looks like this story is losing momentum..

[REALRICK]

I love the idea of Brunell coming to the Skins. Like several others I believe that if it is an open competition, Brunell will win the starting job and that should not bother anybody at that point.

Mark is more experienced, is a veteran with leadership skills, and boy can he run if needed. Patrick could certainly benefit by just watching and learning for a year or even 2.

But what I really like is the fact that WHICHEVER one starts, we now would have 2 very capable starters that it seems are pretty interchangable if one gets hurt. If we get Brunell, I really believe we have the best quarterback situation in the league, and we STILL won't be spending as much money as the Colts on that position.