Actual Salary/Salary Cap Hit

[rskinsfan10]

Man, this is mind boggling. I have seen countless posts on this forum about Stephen Davis' salary and more recently Mark Brunell's since this trade talk has been announced. Even LaVar's contract before the new deal was signed. Let's clear up what seems to be a misconception within the difference of the two.

First of all, Mark Brunell is not due a salary of $10-15mil next year with the Jags. His salary cap hit will be a little more then $10mil. His base for the upcoming year is $6.5. There is a difference. It all goes back to whatever bonus he received and how the Jags munipulated the cap to keep the cap hit as low as possible in the early years of the deal.

So many of you said the same thing about Davis. "He isn't worth an $11mil salary." He wasn't due to make $11mil. That was his cap hit.

There is a difference folks.

Also, the Skins are not going to assume the current contract that he (Brunell) has if this trade goes through. That is why Gibbs plans to meet with him to see what his demands are. Please, let's not assume that we will make him the highest paid QB in the league. It's funny how everyone was high on Gibbs returning, but now he just doesn't have a clue as to what he's doing because he is trying to land a veteran QB that he feels comfortable with attaining.

[rhummer37]

Another fact here is that Brunell is going to want the same kind of contract, if not better. There are other places for him to go in this league, all more desperate that us (or atleast they should be).

[SkinsKY]

That's good clarification to make rskins. I don't think Gibbs lacks a clue about what he is doing, but I don't believe that all of his personnel moves were perfect and that we shouldn't at least question him simply because he is Joe Gibbs.

[rhummer37]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
......but I don't believe that all of his personnel moves were perfect and that we shouldn't at least question him simply because he is Joe Gibbs.

That's exactly what I've been saying all along. This is the offseason, what better thing is there to do???

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by rhummer37
Another fact here is that Brunell is going to want the same kind of contract, if not better.

How is this a fact?

Also, there is a big difference in what someone wants and what they get.

[rhummer37]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
How is this a fact?

Also, there is a big difference in what someone wants and what they get.

In what case wouldn't it be a fact (looking back in history). Being Malone/Payton and signing with a team to take you to a championship for cheap is one thing, but we don't have that advantage right now.

Brunnell will not sign cheap, he has other options, better for his career.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by rhummer37
In what case wouldn't it be a fact (looking back in history). Being Malone/Payton and signing with a team to take you to a championship for cheap is one thing, but we don't have that advantage right now.

Brunnell will not sign cheap, he has other options, better for his career.

Did Stephen Davis demand more then the $90mil deal that he signed for here when he was free agent? Although I know that he didn't, for the sake of dealing with the point that you are trying to make, let's say that he did. My next question is, what did he wind up with?

[ShaggySkins]

If anything I think Brunell would be willing to accept less because he knows he has a legitimate shot at beating out Ramsey and being the starting QB for a Coach that has won 3 Super Bowls. Why would he demand more then he is currently making, he knows he's 33 and is a veteran. And he wants out of Jacksonville because he knows he won't be given any shot at starting there. I think he'll take less knowing he will be given a shot to compete for the job.

[PennSkinsFan]

Yes, but the actual "Cap Hit" is the contractual problems that cause player releases in many cases.

[3CardMonte]

Older QB's play for less all the time

[tonedog12345]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Man, this is mind boggling. I have seen countless posts on this forum about Stephen Davis' salary and more recently Mark Brunell's since this trade talk has been announced. Even LaVar's contract before the new deal was signed. Let's clear up what seems to be a misconception within the difference of the two.

First of all, Mark Brunell is not due a salary of $10-15mil next year with the Jags. His salary cap hit will be a little more then $10mil. His base for the upcoming year is $6.5. There is a difference. It all goes back to whatever bonus he received and how the Jags munipulated the cap to keep the cap hit as low as possible in the early years of the deal.

So many of you said the same thing about Davis. "He isn't worth an $11mil salary." He wasn't due to make $11mil. That was his cap hit.

There is a difference folks.

Also, the Skins are not going to assume the current contract that he (Brunell) has if this trade goes through. That is why Gibbs plans to meet with him to see what his demands are. Please, let's not assume that we will make him the highest paid QB in the league. It's funny how everyone was high on Gibbs returning, but now he just doesn't have a clue as to what he's doing because he is trying to land a veteran QB that he feels comfortable with attaining.

were gonna reconstruct his contract. EVER THINK OF THAT. there would be no way that snyder would want him for that much money!

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by tonedog12345
were gonna reconstruct his contract. EVER THINK OF THAT. there would be no way that snyder would want him for that much money!

I don't know what you are talking about. Did I ever think of what?

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Yes, but the actual "Cap Hit" is the contractual problems that cause player releases in many cases.

You are correct.

What bought on my explaination however is more then one post saying that Brunell will ask for $10-15mil a year from us, and some that say that he is due to make $10-15mil in salary this year with the Jags.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

two things. first, no matter how many teams are courting him, brunell does not have as much leeway as a younger qb in his prime. he is too old and has too many injury questions to be demanding an outrageous contract at age 33. second, gibbs says he wants a veteran back-up and if we bring in brunell to be our starting qb, we still wont have a veteran back-up qb, we will have a guy that has only started a season's worth of games going into his 3rd year. maybe gibbs will do some persuading to have brunell agree to compete w/ Ram in TC.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Man, this is mind boggling. I have seen countless posts on this forum about Stephen Davis' salary and more recently Mark Brunell's since this trade talk has been announced. Even LaVar's contract before the new deal was signed. Let's clear up what seems to be a misconception within the difference of the two.

First of all, Mark Brunell is not due a salary of $10-15mil next year with the Jags. His salary cap hit will be a little more then $10mil. His base for the upcoming year is $6.5. There is a difference. It all goes back to whatever bonus he received and how the Jags munipulated the cap to keep the cap hit as low as possible in the early years of the deal.

So many of you said the same thing about Davis. "He isn't worth an $11mil salary." He wasn't due to make $11mil. That was his cap hit.

There is a difference folks.
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Not to split hairs with you Kenny, but I think his salary due is $8.5 million with $2million due from the signing bonus, for accounting purposes, for a total cap hit of $10.5 million.

But you are right on the principle of your thread.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by robert
Not to split hairs with you Kenny, but I think his salary due is $8.5 million with $2million due from the signing bonus, for accounting purposes, for a total cap hit of $10.5 million.

But you are right on the principle of your thread.

His base salary is $6.5 with a March 1 roster bonus of $2mil.

[dj_stouty]

I believe I heard Brunell would be asked to restructure his deal immediately after becoming a Redskin.

Meaning: We give him a new Signing bonus and prorate it over a 4-5 year contract with lower salary. That way, we could get away with only paying him 1 million or less in his first year or so.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

There's no way we'll be having a cap hit smaller than $4 million or so for Brunell if we sign him.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
There's no way we'll be having a cap hit smaller than $4 million or so for Brunell if we sign him.

Why not Joe?

[Keino]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
There's no way we'll be having a cap hit smaller than $4 million or so for Brunell if we sign him.
Joe he would have to restructure....no trade if he's unwilling, one of the purposes of the visit.

[RedskinRyan]

i think i heard that part of what they are in their meetings is discussing a new contrqct

[rskinsfan10]

LaVar's cap hit this year, unless I'm mistaken, is a little over $5mil. Since I think that it's safe to assume that we wouldn't sing Brunell to anything near the total value of LaVar's deal, it's a safe assumption IMO that his cap hit will be less then $4mil this year.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
His base salary is $6.5 with a March 1 roster bonus of $2mil.

Brunell brings a salary-cap hit of $10.5 million for 2004 but likely would sign a new contract with the Redskins.
Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22573-2004Feb7.html)

Brunell has some control in his destination because of his contract situation. He is set to earn $8.5 million in 2004 with a roster bonus of $2 million due March 1. The Jaguars were planning to release Brunell before then, if they couldn't trade him. (Brunell brings a salary cap hit of $10.5 million for 2004.) According to a source, the acquisition of Brunell is contingent upon him signing a new contract and spreading out the signing bonus in the early years, making it salary cap friendly. This way, the Redskins could cut Brunell after a few years without a significant financial impact.
Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24283-2004Feb8.html)

[dj_stouty]

Actually, Lavar got 15.5 Million in SB over the next 8 years. That prorates to approx. 2 million a year, plus his salary cap hit is only 500K.

So as best I can calculate (and I'm not a capologist!) Lavar is worth 2.5 million this year...

[rskinsfan10]

robert, I don't know if your prior post was meant to dispute mine, but that $8.5 that the Post is stating is the $6.5 plus the $2 that is due on March 1st. As I said, his base this year is $6.5.

The other $2 that brings his cap hit to $10.5 is prorated bonus money. He would have only pocketed $8.5 although his cap hit is $10.5

[rskinsfan10]

That the 33-year-old Brunell would not return to the Jaguars in 2004 has been essentially known for more than a year. The 11-year veteran, who led Jacksonville to a pair of AFC championship game appearances, sports a salary cap charge of $10.5 million for 2004. That includes a base salary of $6.5 million but, more important, the $2 million roster bonus due on March 1.

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1731097)

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
LaVar's cap hit this year, unless I'm mistaken, is a little over $5mil. Since I think that it's safe to assume that we wouldn't sing Brunell to anything near the total value of LaVar's deal, it's a safe assumption IMO that his cap hit will be less then $4mil this year.

Yes, Brunell's deal would be worth less, but it would also be shorter, hence less time to spread out the salary.

Joe he would have to restructure....no trade if he's unwilling, one of the purposes of the visit.

I know. That's not what I'm saying.

[rskinsfan10]

Okay Joe.

You're doing a lot of speculating as to how much and how long Brunell's contract will be. I challenge you to find a team that has given a player the amount of bonus that you think that Brunell will get in a 4 year package. I personally have never seen any team give a player that much bonus money in a 4 year deal. As a matter fo fact, we have several examples of players on our own roster that have received bonuses in that range, and they are all in the 6-7 year range. Rest assured, if Brunell is given that much in bonus money, the life of the deal will not be for 4 years.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1731097)

That math doesn't add up. They are saying he has a 6.5 million salary and a 2 million bonus due. That's 8.5 million. Where are the other 2 million for the 10.5 million dollar cap value?

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by robert
That math doesn't add up. They are saying he has a 6.5 million salary and a 2 million bonus due. That's 8.5 million. Where are the other 2 million for the 10.5 million dollar cap value?

It's from prorated bonus money robert. That is how teams are able to give players huge bonuses but keep the salary cap hits to a minimum in the early years of deals. For example, Coles only counted a little over $2mil on our cap last year, despite his $13mil bonus. In the latter years of his deal, while his base salary may be for example $5mil one year, his cap hit could be $10mil when you factor in the money that wasn't counted against the cap in the beginning.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Thanks professor.