The only way we lose Champ is for 2 1st round draft picks!!

[Jobody]

I am sick and tired of everyone undervaluing champ. 1st of all, we neeed to sign him. i mean, what the hell. hes one of the best corners in the league. he is the BEST player on our team. it would be a frickin joke if we dont sign him. I mean we couldve had ricky williams instead of him--- why let him go, hes ours. secondly, if we franchise him, that means we can match any offers from other teams, and if someone else signs him then we get 2 first round picks from them-its the rule. im just sick of people thinking hes worth a 2nd round pick and crap like that. we cant afford to lose him- do we really want bauman starting?

[champisachump]

bauman is underated first of all
and champ is a good cover i'll give u that but what has he done????
He's gotten burned nonstop
Fred Smoot is more valuable than Champ because of his leadership abilities and his ability to be a playmaker.
I would be so happy if someone signed him and we got those picks

[Jobody]

yes, fred smoot played better than champ this year, but champ is a better player. champ did not get burned nonstop, i think he only was beat fot tds a few times this season, against booker and toomer. but actually, smoots playmaker ability comes from his risktaking, so he is more succeptible to being burnt.

[split3clemente]

champ is a loser first of all. now take a look at him, he sucks. he gets burned non stop, iif hes the best corner in the leauge why did he only have one interception last year??? we need playmakers not sissys who complain to refs. I got the feeling last year that smoot was a true redskin and champs the bum. I used to think about this the other way around. smoots showed me somethin, champ hasnt. if he wanted to be a skin he woulda taken that contract we offered him at the beginning of the season. but oh wait, 14 million dollar signing bonus isnt good enough for the "great one" get of here champ and stop givin me your BS non stop. I would be thrilled if we got 2 1st rounders for him.

Ty Law- now theres a real corner, hes a team leader and he makes plays on the ball, something champ cant do!

[BigCountry]

Originally posted by split3clemente
champ is a loser first of all. now take a look at him, he sucks. he gets burned non stop, iif hes the best corner in the leauge why did he only have one interception last year??? we need playmakers not sissys who complain to refs. I got the feeling last year that smoot was a true redskin and champs the bum. I used to think about this the other way around. smoots showed me somethin, champ hasnt. if he wanted to be a skin he woulda taken that contract we offered him at the beginning of the season. but oh wait, 14 million dollar signing bonus isnt good enough for the "great one" get of here champ and stop givin me your BS non stop. I would be thrilled if we got 2 1st rounders for him.

Ty Law- now theres a real corner, hes a team leader and he makes plays on the ball, something champ cant do!

Oooooooook

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by split3clemente
champ is a loser first of all. now take a look at him, he sucks. he gets burned non stop, iif hes the best corner in the leauge why did he only have one interception last year??? we need playmakers not sissys who complain to refs. I got the feeling last year that smoot was a true redskin and champs the bum. I used to think about this the other way around. smoots showed me somethin, champ hasnt. if he wanted to be a skin he woulda taken that contract we offered him at the beginning of the season. but oh wait, 14 million dollar signing bonus isnt good enough for the "great one" get of here champ and stop givin me your BS non stop. I would be thrilled if we got 2 1st rounders for him.

Ty Law- now theres a real corner, hes a team leader and he makes plays on the ball, something champ cant do!

Erm.... Champ didn't have his best year last year, but I don't think anyone else here would say that he sucks.

[Jobody]

Originally posted by split3clemente
Ty Law- now theres a real corner, hes a team leader and he makes plays on the ball, something champ cant do!

Man, i bet u didnt even know who Ty Law was a month ago u igneramis!

dude, ur a fool. sorry that champ is giving YOU bs. he should probably apoligize.

the reason champ only had 1 pick is cuz everyone fears him. qbs almost NEVER throw at him, cuz hes THAT good.

[BigCountry]

Joebody lay off the personal attacks thanks

[split3clemente]

of course I knew who ty law was before the season and I been backin champ up all the time but this season he really ticked me off. he couldnt lead the team when we needed him to and he got burnt non stop

-toomer burned him twice
-horn had a field day on him
-keyshawn johnson had his 1st and last TD reception against him
-matt hasselbeck woulda had 400 yds passin against us if darrell jackson could catch the ball
-champ had one really good game this year vs peerless price and the falcons
-one more thing, rashaad bauman had as many picks as champ did this season, wow

eveeryone agrees that ty law is better than champ bailey, then how does law keep makin plays and gettin INTs and champ doesnt???? and yet champ keeps gettin torched

trust me I've known about ty law since his days back in michigan I didnt think he was so good either until this season when he really showed me something

[ShaggySkins]

Originally posted by Jobody
if someone else signs him then we get 2 first round picks from them-its the rule. im just sick of people thinking hes worth a 2nd round pick and crap like that.

The franchise tag is worth 2 first round picks but its also only worth what people are willing to pay. What I mean is if we have to trade him because we either can sign him long term or we don't have the cap room then we will have to take the best offer we can get for him. Most experts have said that with the market so full of #1 Corners that the best we can hope for in trading Champ would be a 1st and a 2nd but likely it would be a 1st and a 3rd. Just because the Franchise tag means you get 2 first rounders does not usually mean that its set in stone. Peerless Price was franchised and was traded away for 1st round pick.

[ShaggySkins]

Originally posted by split3clemente
of course I knew who ty law was before the season and I been backin champ up all the time but this season he really ticked me off. he couldnt lead the team when we needed him to and he got burnt non stop

eveeryone agrees that ty law is better than champ bailey, then how does law keep makin plays and gettin INTs and champ doesnt???? and yet champ keeps gettin torched

trust me I've known about ty law since his days back in michigan I didnt think he was so good either until this season when he really showed me something

Champ was playing with a bone fracture in his wrist. He also had NO defensive line help whatsoever. The best corners in the league get burnt when there is no pressure on the QB. Don't you think its coincidental that the first bad year Champ has as a pro also happens to be the first year that this defense has completely lacked any pass rush???

The Redskins do not have the type of defensive talent or coaching that the Patriots did last season. Ty Law was put in position to make great plays by one of the best defensive coaches in the league. Champ had to chase recievers around the field for 15 seconds straight because no pass rush was generated.

Champ also defends aganist the best reciever on the other team every single game and follows him around the field. Smoot and Bauman do not do this. So to say they are better then him is dumb. Neither man has defended aganist the best recievers.

[Odyn]

Unless teams are willing to go the distance to get Champ and pretty much bid until the other teams back out.

I don't see us getting anything but 2 firsts. WE have the room so that will not be a problem.

[TwistyNiblet]

i agree with whoever it was who said that champ had a bad year because our d line sucked. quarterbacks consistantly had all day to throw the ball, and ty law would have been burnt too if he didn't have on of the premiere d lines in the league

[split3clemente]

I guess you got a point there champ was injured for most of the season and we had no pass rush. but I still think that we can improve our team more by getting more picks for champ. bauman can step in and do a good job and we can upgrade our defensive line in the draft which would make our whole defense better, in addition we could get a running back with those picks

[TwistyNiblet]

any way we can get troy vincent?

[split3clemente]

champ bailey getting burned in the pro bowl, is the d line good enough for him now? dam, I dont know about him, fellas

[BigCountry]

The pro bowl doesn't mean a damn thing. Plus 2 out of 3 times he shut Marvin Harrison down. Did you conventiently miss that?

Also let me just inform you that there is no pass rush in the pro bowl. They're not allowed to blitz or stunt.

[champisachump]

whys everyone defending champ? He's a pretty boy. Ya'll are actin like you're related to him. It's funny how he gets burned always for a touchdown. Champ please take a train to get burned somewhere else!!!

[skinsorbust]

first of all champ has value any way you look at it.keep him,fix the d- line and one side of the field is closed.yah i know he has gotten toasted,but lets face it all corners get toasted.second,trade him get value for him in picks or personal.that would sure up other spots.lets face it,i personally think we need champ.are d-line was so dismal, how many times did we watch the other teams quarterbacks sit back-have a smoke-make a reservation-call his kids...you get the point....so give the guy a break....its like when you guys know theres a chance were going to lose him---you turn on him....
and for the record trotter does not rule....thats a different story..

draft sean taylor.....pretty please!!!!

[split3clemente]

I know trotter doesnt rule, sayin he rules makes me chuckle, hes had a horrible stint as a skin but if the situation is right he can be very effective

-champ, take a train to atlanta or detroit, I really dont know why everyone defends him I must be talkin to his family or something

[champisachump]

I hated champ all along.
Let's get that straight. If all corners get burned once in a while then why not a cheaper one who doesn't look like a pretty boy and isn't so greedy????
D line is more important than cornerbacks cuz rushin the passer forces him to throw bad passes in the first place. Why can't the redskins have more playas like coles who does everything to win and Mccants who is a rising WR prospect in my eyes. Mccants could "toast" champ any day. Ya'll are gonna say that you loved him all along when he becomes a star

[Odyn]

Champ is not for the team, period. If he doesn't want to be here, then he won't be, by the draft.

[J-Rod]

We must remember who we have running our defense...Greg Williams. Williams had Samari Rolle with the Titans but who else was back there in the secondary with him? What about in Buffalo? The record was bad but the defense played outstanding at times. What I'm getting at is that Champ is just one part of a whole. With us, he is part of a corner tandem that has the ability to be the best in the league but that will only happen if there is some semblance of a pass rush. Without him, we still have one half of that tandem and two high round picks in the draft that we can use to fill more glaring needs on a team that has yet to find an identity. I really like Champ but if his departure can make the Skins better I'm all for it.

[Jobody]

Originally posted by split3clemente
of course I knew who ty law was before the season and I been backin champ up all the time but this season he really ticked me off. he couldnt lead the team when we needed him to and he got burnt non stop

-toomer burned him twice
-horn had a field day on him
-keyshawn johnson had his 1st and last TD reception against him
-matt hasselbeck woulda had 400 yds passin against us if darrell jackson could catch the ball
-champ had one really good game this year vs peerless price and the falcons
-one more thing, rashaad bauman had as many picks as champ did this season, wow

eveeryone agrees that ty law is better than champ bailey, then how does law keep makin plays and gettin INTs and champ doesnt???? and yet champ keeps gettin torched

trust me I've known about ty law since his days back in michigan I didnt think he was so good either until this season when he really showed me something


so youre saying champ gave up 3 or 4 touchdowns this season while playing against the #1 corner, playing injured, and having 0 pass rush?

[Jobody]

Originally posted by split3clemente
but I still think that we can improve our team more by getting more picks for champ.


REALLY??? NO WAY

[Jobody]

Originally posted by split3clemente
champ bailey getting burned in the pro bowl, is the d line good enough for him now? dam, I dont know about him, fellas


yes, i guess we cant cut champ any slack for being beat from manning to harrison. theyre only the best qb and the best wr in the nfl. i guess the pro bowl rules didnt help either, like the dlineman not being able to stunt or line up in a gap. how bout that rule where safeties have to stay inside the hash marks. o well. i guess this means champ sucks:banghead:

i guess u didnt see champs interception of peyton manning, his like 6 or 7 pass deflections, and the mention of him being MVP of the pro bowl.

[Jobody]

Originally posted by J-Rod
Williams had Samari Rolle with the Titans but who else was back there in the secondary with him? What about in Buffalo?


EVER HEARD OF NATE CLEMENTS???
GUESS NOT.

[BigCountry]

I had to delete one of your posts Joe. I already warned you...

[split3clemente]

"my names joe and I love quoting people"

I really dont understand why everyone loves this guy, has he won a super bowl for us? no

he really hasnt done anything during his tenure here, I'll give him that hes a good player and that Im reallyhard on him but whatever

and I love how everythings not champs fault, its either the coaches fault, or the defensive lines fault, or the fact that he has to cover the best reciever on the other team

the bottom line is that champ just cant make the play when its needed to be made, like when steve smith toasted him to get the panthers the ball inside the 10 yard line with just minutes to go in the ball game to set up a davis touchdown run

champ gets off to easily here in washington by the skins fans

[daveskins]

if im not mistaken....ty law is a FA this year too.....what would u think of a sign and trade with champ and ty and us getting on of their 2 1st rd picks....seems to make sense to me

[hail2skins]

Calling Champ a loser is just unwarranted. He's considered one of the best, if not the best at his position by alot of people in the NFL (players, coaches, personnel people). Yes, all corners get burned but the important thing is how they respond to it. Yes, not putting pressure on the QB does put pressure on cornersbacks. Someone asked why he only had 1 interception well, if other teams don't throw in his direction alot, he can't get the interceptions. I'll take Champ on my team anyday.

[champisachump]

Champ is a selfish person. He is not a redskin. He is no Darryl Green. Why did he play his best in a game that didn't matter? Why do you defend Champ in such a way? It's always someone elses fault. When I see him play like the third best corner in the league, I might consider him. His greed is over the top for a non-playmaker. The only people who make the big bucks are the playmkers in the nfl. He always gets burned when it matters and plays his best when it doesn't. What does that say to you? Are you a redskins fan or a Champ Bailey fan??

[Jobody]

Originally posted by split3clemente
to get the panthers the ball inside the 10 yard line with just minutes to go in the ball game to set up a davis touchdown run


What td run. I think lavar would have something to say about that.

[split3clemente]

um you dont know what your talking about. stephen davis ran for a touchdown after steve smith set it up by burning champ

[Jobody]

actually, lavar stopped him at the goal line, but they still called it a td, if u remember.

[ShaggySkins]

Originally posted by Jobody
actually, lavar stopped him at the goal line, but they still called it a td, if u remember.

It was Matt Bowen that forced the fumble (Which was a no call)

[straightupbeast]

Champ is amazing. There is no doubt that we should keep him.
He is of the top 5 cornerbacks in the league at this point.

[garedskin]

I am tired of the B.S. surrounding baileys worth.I think the team gave him a very good offer last season.When I read the reply his so called agent gave I knew this was baileys last with the redskins. Any and I mean any team pays him even more are just screwing themselves. No cornerback is worth the kind of money his agent seems to be wanting. This is a very strong freeagancy market with cb galour. I hope bailey signs but I think Charles Woodson is one hell of a cb and would like to see him in burgandy/gold even if we could resign bailey. I know one thing if bailey really is about winning then he would really think about the offer he has on the table. BUT I think bailey and agent are about every red cent they can get and that is to bad because he will be watching the skins in the superbowl in the not to distant future and wonder what if.

[tonedog12345]

Originally posted by champisachump
bauman is underated first of all
and champ is a good cover i'll give u that but what has he done????
He's gotten burned nonstop
Fred Smoot is more valuable than Champ because of his leadership abilities and his ability to be a playmaker.
I would be so happy if someone signed him and we got those picks

Please Name 5 times this year he got burned (booker and toomer are the only ones i remember)!!! I remeber the safties getting burned not him.... smoots better.... He was getting beat by justin gage in the bears game...

[tonedog12345]

Originally posted by straightupbeast

He is of the top 5 cornerbacks in the league at this point.

the best cornerback

[tonedog12345]

Originally posted by split3clemente
um you dont know what your talking about. stephen davis ran for a touchdown after steve smith set it up by burning champ

ummmm no one in the league can defend passes that are thrown 30 feet in the air by the luckiest qb in the world (jake delhomme)

[tonedog12345]

Originally posted by champisachump
Champ is a selfish person. He is not a redskin. He is no Darryl Green. Why did he play his best in a game that didn't matter? Why do you defend Champ in such a way? It's always someone elses fault. When I see him play like the third best corner in the league, I might consider him. His greed is over the top for a non-playmaker. The only people who make the big bucks are the playmkers in the nfl. He always gets burned when it matters and plays his best when it doesn't. What does that say to you? Are you a redskins fan or a Champ Bailey fan??

Im a redskins fan and proud of it.. Champ was great this year and every year. (his worst year was when we had schotinhiemer or however you spell it) I don't know how he could have gotten burned so much when the qb's game plan is to try to stay away from him. I have every redskins game this year taped and i Know what im talking about

[tonedog12345]

Originally posted by split3clemente
champ bailey getting burned in the pro bowl, is the d line good enough for him now? dam, I dont know about him, fellas

you can only use certain crappy coverage schemes in the pro bowl and do you really think the d-line tried with a 55-52 game.

[tonedog12345]

Originally posted by champisachump
whys everyone defending champ? He's a pretty boy. Ya'll are actin like you're related to him. It's funny how he gets burned always for a touchdown. Champ please take a train to get burned somewhere else!!!

Please name 3 times he got burned for a td this year. I can name only 2.

[tonedog12345]

Originally posted by split3clemente
of course I knew who ty law was before the season and I been backin champ up all the time but this season he really ticked me off. he couldnt lead the team when we needed him to and he got burnt non stop

-toomer burned him twice
-horn had a field day on him
-keyshawn johnson had his 1st and last TD reception against him
-matt hasselbeck woulda had 400 yds passin against us if darrell jackson could catch the ball
-champ had one really good game this year vs peerless price and the falcons
-one more thing, rashaad bauman had as many picks as champ did this season, wow

eveeryone agrees that ty law is better than champ bailey, then how does law keep makin plays and gettin INTs and champ doesnt???? and yet champ keeps gettin torched

trust me I've known about ty law since his days back in michigan I didnt think he was so good either until this season when he really showed me something

Toomer only beat him once....Um.. Keyshawn never beat him????( I have the game taped). One Joe horn interference call was bs. ( Joe horn beat him once and for not that many yards). I remeber Korean Robinson beating him for one long flook pass, thats it. And just because a corner doesnt catch the pass doesnt mean they suck...(Deltha o Neal had a lot of ints and made the pro bowl. what is he doin now, playing reciver cuz he sucked bad at corner)

[lavartown]

u no how hard it is to caover a top reciver in the NFL when u have NO pass rush. It's almost impossible and he should not be blamed for getting burned.